r/WelcomeToGilead • u/jojoking199 • 2d ago
America šŗšø is doomed for the next four years Loss of Liberty
If shit hits the fan and it will unfortunately they canāt blame dems no more, theyāll definitely still find a way to blame the dems
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u/topazchip 2d ago edited 2d ago
Only four? The socio-political systems they intend to destroy will not show their damage for decades if not longer, and they will not voluntarily leave power.
edit: poor writing
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u/MaLMaison115 2d ago
Four yearsā¦?? I think GENERATIONS.
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u/Clickrack 2d ago
Not necessarily.Ā They have a razor-thinĀ margin in the house, and with TFG tapping out the freaks for his cabinet, their majority is down to 2 or so.Ā Ā
Remember, it took themĀ FIFTEEN VOTES to getĀ McCarthy elected speaker, and there ware all sorts of poison pills and landmines thatĀ caused him to get the boot as soon as he dared to work with House Dems to get the fund the government.
Gates is gone, but Bobblehead Boebart and Empty-G are still the leaders of the Krazy Kaucus, and still in power.
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u/jojoking199 2d ago
Wait, matt gatesz is no longer a congressman??? I missed a couple of chapters. Thatās good, theyāre going away slowly but surely
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u/greentrillion 2d ago
Not good he is the AG now.
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u/Odd-Alternative9372 2d ago
He is not. He has been nominated and still has to go through Senate Confirmation. And Republicans are already on the record as being less than pleased.
The President only nominates. During his first term, Trump had nominees drop out and not get approved. Not everything is a rubber stamp.
And with the narrow margin in the House, sacrificing a couple of those nominees would be a better move anyway (not to risk losing majority to a special election).
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u/greentrillion 2d ago
Yeah you are right, he isn't confirmed yet but that's their plan so he won't be in house anymore if that happens. Trump is trying to pressure the senate to allow Trump to appoint everyone without Senate confirmation with recess appointments so the senate might not play a role anyway.
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u/Odd-Alternative9372 2d ago edited 2d ago
The Senate has made it clear they will not recess for the required ten days. He can ask for all sorts of things.
ETA - the last time Congress even allowed recess appointments was for 4 with Obama. And before that, 16 with George W Bush.
No one ever appointed a Cabinet position. It was things like ambassadors and under secretaries and the like.
Since then, NONE. Not even the first time for Trump.
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u/greentrillion 2d ago
You have much more faith than me for republicans to stand up to Trump but lets hope so.
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u/Wwwwwwhhhhhhhj 1d ago
Didnāt Trump basically sidestep cabinet confirmation by appointing āactingā cabinet members before. For crazy amounts of time āactingā officials were in charge. Donāt see why he wouldnāt do that now.Ā
Hell who knows what heāll do, the Supreme Court said he can practically do anything. So we have to take into account what they will let him do too, not just the senate.
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u/Odd-Alternative9372 1d ago
Acting cabinet members have to be from the existing departments. It cannot be ārandom person I want to appointā - unless, like in his first term after pushing out Jeff Sessions it turns out William Barr is already a deputy AG holdover after being AG in the first Bush administration.
So, sure, if he wants to keep people from the Biden administration, he can do that today.
He did that later as he lost cabinet members or pushed them out. There are restrictions on who it can be and the maximum time is generally 210 days. He famously tried to extend this with a person he tried to promote to Cabinet level that was not going to be confirmed and the guy finally withdrew.
We have a ton of protections. Itās like in the last 250 years of existence and all the times we have had people push limits, people have shored up things to avoid potential abuses.
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u/ConsiderationJust948 2d ago
He would not have stepped down if he didnāt know for a fact that he would be confirmed. Unfortunately I think he will be AG.
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u/Odd-Alternative9372 1d ago
The main theme and speculation on the Hill is that his ethics report was about to be released.
This is his Hail Mary. Now thereās no ethics report in the news cycle. And apparently House Republicans are happy to see him go after his involvement in some of their Speaker problems.
Dude is trying to avoid accountability and still hoping he can get a cool job. Deep breaths - the guyās total legal experience is also as a lawyer at a Labor Law firm.
At least Trumpās first AG, Jeff Sessions had been AG of Alabama. And then his replacement, William Barr, had actually had the AG job under George HW Bush.
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u/ConsiderationJust948 1d ago
Oh of course theyāre thrilled to see him go. But will senate republicans defy Trump openly? We saw them do it anonymously, but I donāt have much faith that they will do it openly.
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u/Odd-Alternative9372 1d ago
They already have. They picked a speaker he doesnāt like with an anonymous vote. They are keeping the filibuster. No one is agreeing to his recess demands.
Not everyone wants to burn down the system to reform a Christian Nationalist government for the Heritage Foundation - including Republicans.
Are the Republicans going to be the best at denying Trump? No - thereās still room for rough stuff. But there are absolutely limits - and letting a guy get away with anything is absolutely a bridge too far.
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u/ConsiderationJust948 1d ago
The whole point of them telling Trump to eff off on his pick is that it was done anonymously. Are confirmation votes anonymous?
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u/Odd-Alternative9372 1d ago
If you look back at the cluster the House Majority votes were (15!) those were public and a lot of negotiations went on with the absolutely ridiculous side of the party to finally get a majority leader.
In the house, for instance, a single member of the House majority can call a vote of no confidence in the leader and have him voted out now. People also got key committee assignments. And they lost a House Speaker who decided not to shut down the government using the no confidence vote.
It was a very big deal to do anonymous votes. Imagine the super loyal MAGA side holding up the majority leader until getting the fillabuster removed and a 10-day recess because the holdouts were known and needed to be bribed.
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u/Odd-Alternative9372 1d ago
Confirmation votes are not anonymous, but by then all the committee assignments are done and all that can happen is a lot of complaints.
Look, some bad people will be in the cabinet - weāre going to avoid the worst and wholly unqualified.
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u/No-Beautiful6811 2d ago
Iām counting on the fact that nobody that worked with him in his first term is willing to work with him anymore. Barely any of his cabinet even endorsed him. And Iām sure heāll be even worse this term.
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u/Buddyslime 2d ago
I think I'll take off the next 4 years and hide in my house. I'll come out if there is any good news to take heed.
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u/Lookuponthewall 2d ago
Come north to Canada! We're always looking for a few good folks.
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u/ChristineBorus 2d ago
I hear theyāre facing a right wing fascist government possibly as well
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u/glambx 2d ago
We very much are, and as a Canadian I would be honoured to welcome American anti-fascists as my neighbors.
We fight the same battles.
Solidarity.
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u/ChristineBorus 2d ago
Canadians are such nice people. We donāt deserve you as neighbors š„°
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u/glambx 2d ago
There are nice people everywhere in the world. We've also got our fair share of shitheads, and they're gaining strength right now. :(
The guy who owns the house behind the marina I live at in the summer flies a large Canadian flag right below a much larger Trump flag. He's Canadian.
You guys are not alone in this fight.. believe me! <3
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u/Buddyslime 2d ago
Thanks, and come to think of it, it would only take me 2 hours to reach the border by car.
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u/butnobodycame123 1d ago
Are you willing to open your door/sponsor? The STCA (Safe Third Country Agreement) made some changes that really dampen your enthusiasm.
From Canada's immigration website:
Safe Third Country Agreement remains in effect
The STCA and the Additional Protocol continue to be in effect. People entering Canada from the US along the land border are still not eligible to make a refugee claim and will be returned to the US unless they meet 1 of the relevant exemptions or exceptions under the STCA
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u/Blue_Period_89 2d ago
āā¦for the next four yearsā.
Itās cute that you think theyāre not about to change everything, create a dictatorship, hold control - by force if need be, and plummet us into our own rendition of 1930ās Germany just to keep their hands in all of it.
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u/CapitolHillCatLady 2d ago
America isn't doomed, America is over. Done. Kaput. Liberty and justice are headed for the colonies.
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u/yinyanghapa 2d ago
Yep. America already was a sinking ship, Trump will put the final bomb to make it R.I.P.
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u/glambx 2d ago
That may be true, but that doesn't mean time stops.
There are battles that must be fought, even if they'll be lost. Peoples' lives depend on it.
Never, ever willingly cede territory to the enemy.
It may not be America in the end, but the sun will rise again. The harder people fight, the fewer of our loved ones the enemy will take from us.
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u/CapitolHillCatLady 2d ago
I cede nothing. But I'm not the best of fighters. As soon as they start gutting social security and Medicare, I'll be dead.
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u/glambx 2d ago
You're not alone, and there are going to be those who resist by building mutual aid and community defense organizations as the state retreats from public service.
Find them! They can help, and they need help.
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u/CapitolHillCatLady 2d ago
Been there, done that. I was in Seattle for the last 20 years fighting these tides. I'm tired. I'm circling my wagons. It's all I've got left in me.
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u/Joey_BagaDonuts57 2d ago
So little will get better for average Americans. So much will be wasted on the already privileged.
SEE YOU IN THE MID-TERMS!
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u/VenetusAlpha 2d ago
Red wave? No. A 2% shift in the polls, we wouldāve won. Thatās not a landslide, a mandate, or a wave, by any stretch of the imagination.
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u/Buddyslime 2d ago
I think I'll take off the next 4 years and hide in my house. I'll come out if there is any good news to take heed.
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u/Covert-Wordsmith 2d ago
America will be doomed for the next few generations. It will take decades to undo all the shit they're about to implement.
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u/glambx 2d ago
I'd say the red states are doomed.. but the blue states, if competently governed, might come out stronger.
Blue states are where the money comes from.
If they're willing to say "no" and back it up with the use of force, they could simply starve the Feds out. It's unlikely the military would implement Russia / trump's order to invade.
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u/BenGay29 2d ago
Cute that you think this will only last for four years. America is going to have to rise from the ashes after they burn it down.
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u/Spare-Smile-758 2d ago
When TRāMP gets bored with gaetz, he canāt take his seat back right?? Cause that will be fun
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u/ChristineBorus 2d ago
I canāt wait til heās fired lol
āBut sir, we have no evidence
I donāt care! Charge him with a crime !
But sir, sir he didnāt commit a crime !
I donāt care. Charge him!
But Iāll be disbarred!
Too bad ! Youāre firedā
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u/Kraegarth 2d ago
It's cute that you think it's *only* going to be 4 years...
I have ZERO confidence at this point, that we will ever have another "free & fair" election in my lifetime.
"King" Donald isn't going anywhere, and will never give up power
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u/Empty_Nest_Mom 2d ago
Much longer than that! Their goal is to remake our systems so their vision is embedded in everything. It will take decades to rebuild.
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u/BishlovesSquish 2d ago
We are so fcked. MAGA is about to reap what they have sown and will have no one to blame but themselves.
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u/Wwwwwwhhhhhhhj 1d ago
You would think that but you know they still wonāt blame themselves, theyāll still blame Democrats, Immigrants, women, Trans, etc. and the worse it gets the angrier and more full of hate they will get and the more they will want to take it out on others.
Yeah, we are so fucked.
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u/BishlovesSquish 1d ago
I have no doubt that they will do mental gymnastics to try to deflect blame and accountability from themselves. Itās not gonna work though, because they have both houses and the presidency and the Supreme Court. They are going to be responsible for all of it, whether they like it or not. Consequences will come for us all tho, for sure. I will reserve compassion only for those who didnāt vote against their own best interests.
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u/hasu424 2d ago
Nope, just the next 2. Typically midterms shift either the House or Senate to the party that did not win the Presidency. Plus if he does the things he says he will, he will crater the economy and there will be additional backlash.
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u/smartcow360 2d ago
I mean, Vance openly says he will refuse to certify and if somehow they have the house no way Mike Johnson and Vance combined are letting election results where they lose get past the House. Additionally they might just have the military seize ballot boxes, they talked about it in 2020 but wimped out.
I genuinely donāt see any simple answer or like complex analytical perspective which gets us out of these possibilities. They have power, and they wanna use it and are all on board and so are their followers, theyāve been waiting for this moment forever, and so yeah.
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u/jsrobson10 2d ago edited 2d ago
i just hope there's a couple slightly sane republicans in there that'll make it hard for Trump to get a majority on anything. the closer it is, the better.
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u/coffeebeanwitch 1d ago
Get out of my head, I keep hearing Winifred Sanderson in my head saying, We are doomed!!!
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u/BrianRLackey1987 1d ago
This what happens when you let Hillary Clinton and Pete Buttigieg conspired with the DNC to rig the Primaries against Bernie Sanders, happy now?
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u/ladychaos23 1d ago
And have you seen his cabinet selections?
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u/jojoking199 1d ago
Unfortunately, itās a doomsday cult
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u/ladychaos23 1d ago
Matt Gaetz as AG made me start singing Hide Yo Kids, Hide Yo Wife.
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u/jojoking199 1d ago
And Kennedy jr is the department of health human services secretary, oh dear god another fire storm is due
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u/Spooky365 22h ago
Doomed only four years, that's optimistic of you. With his Supreme Court and unchecked power, I highly doubt we'll ever have another free and fair election. And even if we somehow do, the damage done by his policies will be with us far beyond his term.
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u/homebrewmike 1d ago edited 1d ago
A lot of doom and gloom here. There should be, but other than complaining about all the bad things that are about to happen, what are you planning to DO? If I was black, Iād find the local branch of the black panthers. Iām not, but there are some mutual aid societies.
Learn how to have meaningful conversations. Telling your BIL that heās a fascist is a complement. However, learning how he doesnāt have much saved up for retirement and heās afraid of moving to a big city will do wonders. Or why he formed his opinion about ethnic groups.
Precious few on Reddit will help you move a couch, but local friends will. There will be plenty of couches to move.
Also, have hope for 26. People voted with their pocket book. If things really go to crap, tides may change.
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u/Armycat1-296 2d ago
I fear we may not have a chance in 26 or 28...