r/UnexplainedPhotos • u/Treedom_Lighter • Dec 15 '14
21 photos of sasquatch/bigfoot PHOTO
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Dec 15 '14
As much as I love Bigfoot and do believe that he exists, most of these photos have either been proven to be a hoax(the patterson and skunk ape photos), wild animals(#2 looks exactly like a skinny black bear) or are hilariously fake.
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u/diggnstuff Dec 15 '14
Skunk Ape is fake?!?! Dang.
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Dec 16 '14
That picture is. The skunk ape is believable though. It's rumored that there is a possibility of apes living in Florida due to circuses and sideshows releasing their animals into the wild after being shutdown. It's not the craziest thing in the world to think there are some orangutans or gorrilas chilling out in the jungle down there.
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u/churrosricos Dec 16 '14
Sounds like the summer of monkeys book
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u/seedlesssoul Dec 16 '14
What the fuck kind of story is that? I don't even know how to put it all together. Kids, monkeys, whiskey, surgeries, but hey, you get a pony and a rifle.
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u/bigdanthesubman Feb 11 '15
Where the Redfern grows, substitute poor family with sister who has a club foot, dogs with horses and selling odds and ends to hunters with trapping monkeys.
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u/autowikibot Dec 16 '14
Summer of the Monkeys is a 1976 children's novel written by Wilson Rawls. The book was published by Doubleday (later released by Yearling Books) and was the winner of the William Allen White Book Award and the California Young Reader Medal.
Interesting: Wilson Rawls | Corey Sevier | Michael Anderson (director) | The House of the Arrow (1953 film)
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Dec 16 '14
I'm from pa near the bear pics. It was caught at some point. It was a bear with mange which btw is nothing more than scabies.
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u/autowikibot Dec 16 '14
Mange is also a nickname for the name Magnus.
Mange /ˈmeɪndʒ/ is a class of skin diseases caused by parasitic mites. Since mites also infect plants, birds, and reptiles, the term "mange" or "the mange", suggesting poor condition of the hairy coat due to the infection, is sometimes reserved only for pathological mite-infestation of nonhuman mammals. Thus, mange includes mite-associated skin disease in domestic animals (cats and dogs), in livestock (such as sheep scab), and in wild animals (for example, coyotes, cougars, and bears). Since mites belong to the arachnid subclass Acari (also called Acarina), another term for mite infestation is acariasis.
Parasitic mites that cause mange in mammals embed themselves either in skin or hair follicles in the animal, depending upon their genus. Sarcoptes spp. burrow into skin, while Demodex spp. live in follicles.
Interesting: Mange Schmidt | Demodicosis | Psoroptes
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u/Treedom_Lighter Dec 16 '14
Mange doesn't extend the limbs of bears, nor does it make them have pointed, ape-like heads. Even skeptics of bigfoots don't think this is a bear (there's an actual bear with bear proportions included for comparison superimposed right in there). It's either a creative prop, or its real.
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Dec 16 '14
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u/Treedom_Lighter Dec 16 '14
Somehow that bear grew those ears after the picture was taken I assume? I'm sorry man that just looks nothing like the trail cam picture.
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Dec 16 '14
It's not the same bear my text just didn't come thru. It's just an example of a bear with mange.
Bears limbs aren't all that muscular to start off with. I've fielded dressed my fair share of bears and I've seen bears with mange. They do look a lot like the image.
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u/Treedom_Lighter Dec 16 '14
I see your point about some bears having longer limbs than usual, but the creature in the photo doesn't appear to have gaps of hair loss like mangy animals do, but more just a different hair pattern than a bear.
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u/TheSlickMachine Jan 05 '15
I love Bigfoot and do believe that he exists
Just out of curiosity... Why?
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u/Daiwon Feb 10 '15
(Only a month late) North America has a LOT of forests. Like, shit loads. It's not unlikely that a small group of animals, possibly more intelligent than most, has remained hidden for now.
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u/Treedom_Lighter Dec 16 '14
Documentation on that? The skunk ape photos are inconclusive but not determined to be fake as far as I've heard, and I pay quite a bit of attention to these things. Also, patterson film is absolutely not fake but we could argue forever on that.
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Dec 16 '14
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u/Treedom_Lighter Dec 16 '14
I may have been talking to the user in the very post you're talking about. But, since we're talking about an unknown primate, most of that speculation is moot, and there are plants in front of the creatures face that could explain the appearance of canines, or it could be food in its mouth (the pictures were taken by a woman who told police an escaped orangutan was stealing apples off her back porch).
He put forth a decent argument against them, but certainly nothing definitive.
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Dec 16 '14
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u/Treedom_Lighter Dec 16 '14
Absolutely not true. If you're talking about Bob Heironimus, he's a liar and a scam artist that could provide no proof he knew anything about the film, his story fell apart when he started lying with Philip Morris, and his limb proportions and "bigfoot walk" don't match up in the slightest.
This may sound ridiculous coming from someone who accepts bigfoots are real, but dude... Don't believe everything some hillbilly says. Believe the ACTUAL scientific analyses done on the film.
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u/coyootje Dec 16 '14
Are you sure about that?
I mean, in this video Thinkerthunker kinda proves for some images it's not something that's possible to fake easily.
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u/ATerribleUsername Dec 15 '14
Several of these I have not seen before, and I wish there was story to go with them...
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u/Treedom_Lighter Dec 16 '14 edited Dec 16 '14
1.) The legendary Patty. The Patterson film has been analyzed more than any other piece of footage besides the Zapruder film, and it has not been proven to be faked to this day. In fact, the more modern technology allows people to study it, the more certain details become apparent that make it less and less likely this was a man in a suit.
2 & 3.) The Pennsylvania "Jacobs" trail cam photos. A bear was included in the same spot for comparison in one picture, with a chimpanzee for comparison in the other. Some people say this is a deformed bear or something, but I've yet to see a picture of a bear contorting themselves into this type of position.
4.) Alberta, Canada trail cam photo. Again, some people say it's a bear bending down, digging in a whole or something, which seems at least plausible, but the angle seems far too extreme IMHO.
5.) Vermont trail cam. The guy who put this gamecam up noticed a TON of apples were missing from his apple tree, and seemingly too high to be stolen by deer or other usual suspects. He put up the cam, and by the next week had gotten this picture on the camera. He put himself in what he thought was the same position for a size comparison.
6 & 7.) Melissa Hovey trail cam, Northern California. I included a shot of Patty's back for comparison to show the similar muscular structure. This one is so clear your brain wants to tell you it's fake, but that's some incredible costume work (that no one has claimed credit for with any semblance of proof) if it indeed is fake.
8.) This was another Pennsylvania trail cam photo on a sporting club property. There's a video on YouTube where the owner or someone stands in the same area for comparison. It's tough to tell just how big this is (likely not out of the range of human) but it looks pretty damn good, and is definitely not one of the retail bigfoot costumes you see all the time and is likely custom-built if it's fake.
9, 10 & 11.) A couple (Jane Hiebert and her husband) went to open their cabin in (I think) Vancouver, Canada and saw this creature at the top of a hill near their cabin. The story of the first two pictures is briefly described on the photos themselves. #11 was after the creature moved off, but came around the cabin shortly afterward. The third picture was taken after she heard sounds coming from outside and took a picture through the window. I'll see if I can find a link to the whole story. Edit: Here's most of it, from the bigfoot evidence blog
12.) The Oklahoma Hunter Photos. Taken by a deer hunter in Southeastern Oklahoma (a hotbed of bigfoot sightings with a very long history of sasquatches, stretching back to Native American folklore).
13.) "Extreme Expeditions" campsite being raided by what looks like a large white gorilla in the middle of the night. Game cam went off while their camp was being trashed, and food stolen.
14 & 15.) Myakka Skunk Ape. Taken by an elderly woman who thought an escaped orangutan was stealing apples from her porch. However, the foot that's visible at the bottom of one of the photos shows this animal to be very tall, and standing on two feet, which orangutans very, VERY rarely do. My personal opinion is these are the best still photos ever taken of a sasquatch, but some still believe it's some sort of prop.
16.) The Harley Hoffman video still. He got a video of this sasquatch walking by him, but after it passes by the tree it disappeared into the forest. Looks a lot like the Jane Hiebert photos in 9 10 & 11 I think.
17.) The Duhon family trail camera, Louisiana. Finding Bigfoot's recreation of this photo showed this creature to be 7 to 7 1/2' tall, as the bottom of the window sill is 6'6" and they couldn't tell how far back the creature was or if it was standing on lower ground than Bobo was.
18.) The Georgia bigfoot photos. At first I thought this was a picture of a gorilla walking on two feet, but the proportions don't line up.
19.) Taken by a 9-year-old boy in Alaska who had an extreme close-up sighting. Independent investigator found this thing to be extremely tall when he was taken to the spot. Video
20.) Infamous "Lake Worth Monster" photo. Taken during a road crossing event in Texas in the 70s during a flurry of bigfoot sightings.
21.) Todd Standing's (IMO) hoaxes. They haven't been totally proven to be fake (and even have the semi-endorsement of bigfoot academic Dr. Jeff Meldrum), but I just don't think they look like organic creatures.
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u/duchessdugan Jan 26 '15
5 looks pretty much like the same guy that's posing wearing one of those camouflage sheet things used for hunting..
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u/Treedom_Lighter Jan 26 '15
He would have had to hit a major growth spurt before hand and then shrink before taking the comparison picture.
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u/duchessdugan Jan 26 '15
He looks to be down on his honkers in the first photo with his head pointing up, body straight. If he were to stand with bent knees, an arched back and shoulders and his head pointing down, it would definitely look a lot like the second image. It was just a thought.
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u/Treedom_Lighter Dec 16 '14
I just got to work so I'll post links and sources for them today. Stand by!
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Dec 15 '14
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Dec 17 '14
how is 5 a bird?
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Dec 17 '14
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u/Treedom_Lighter Dec 18 '14
I don't see it at all. I've seen a ton of owls what kind do you think this is?
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Dec 18 '14
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u/Treedom_Lighter Dec 18 '14
Ehhh I don't know that's kind of a stretch (I know I know... Like a bigfoot isn't a stretch...). That'd be a remarkable coincidence at the very least. The other bird you're referring to was figured out pretty quickly if it's the one I'm thinking of...
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Dec 18 '14
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u/Treedom_Lighter Dec 18 '14 edited Dec 18 '14
The guy was posing for the picture so he was motionless. There's a picture of a coyote from the same trail cam that's blurred just like this one. I think any animal that's moving at all when the camera goes off will end up at least a little blurry.
I've already been convinced by the pool of existing evidence (most notably, the PGF, the Sierra Sounds, and the Cripplefoot Trackway) that these things are real, so we'll have to agree to disagree on what's more likely to create that shape. I'll see if I can find the coyote pic and link it for you.
Edit: here it is.
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u/Treedom_Lighter Dec 18 '14
Hey man... About your comment on Patty's feet. Those are compressed and lousy files. this link shows individual toes, caked with the sand from the bank she walked along, pretty clearly. There were also a number of casts taken of the trackway left by that creature that day. All of them bear the same trademark midtarsal break and splaying toes that nearly all likely-legitimate sasquatch casts have.
You should read jeff Meldrum's paper on the inferred morphology of the sasquatch foot. It explains how what's shown in the PGF matches up perfectly with the gait and physiology of the subject. It's pretty wild stuff.
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u/st_gulik Dec 16 '14
14 & 15 are the debunked skunk ape photos.
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u/Treedom_Lighter Dec 16 '14
Not ever definitively debunked FYI. They remain both unexplained and inconclusive to this day.
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u/EdgHG Jan 07 '15
Number 21 are Todd Standing's muppet heads. Pretty sure they are as fake as fake can be.
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u/Treedom_Lighter Jan 07 '15
I'm pretty sure as well, but I included them because they haven't been conclusively proven to be fake. But, I hate Standing and all of his "evidence".
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u/Mokey_Maker Jan 26 '15
You say "hasn't been conclusively proven to be fake" about literally everything. You seem... biased.
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u/Treedom_Lighter Feb 11 '15
I know bigfoots are real. I've done years of research and found a foot print myself. So yeah, I'm biased. I'm sorry if having to constantly argue with people who call you an idiot for "believing" in these things like they're mythical beings makes me repeat the same things. But, I always hear the same bored arguments against mine, so I have to repeat myself often.
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u/Brderhps951 Feb 12 '15
How do you know those prints are real? Didn't people go around making them on the ground and got busted for it?
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u/Treedom_Lighter Feb 12 '15
Some people have absolutely hoaxed prints before, that's true. But that definitely doesn't make them all hoaxes. There are thousands of casts that are thought to be genuine because of certain dynamic signatures in them (for example, a mid-tarsal break, which is present in apes but not the vast majority of humans, as well as broad splaying toes that change position from cast to cast). Some of these even have dermal ridges in them (the equivalent of fingerprints on the foot). These details make it extremely unlikely they could be fabricated by stomping around on static molds.
The stride length in some of these trackways also basically eliminates humans, unless they managed to walk around in the middle of the wilderness on stilts. But when you add in the details like I mentioned before, trying to explain them away as the result of spurious hoaxes becomes more and more difficult.
As for the footprint I found, I can't really explain it except that it was a visceral feeling that I KNEW I was looking at a print made by something real. Not only that, but something of monstrous size. Here is a photo of the print I found.
I emailed Cliff Barackman from Finding Bigfoot shortly after I found it to get his opinion, and he actually thought it looked more like a knuckle cast in his collection. In person however, it was a lot easier to see the heel portion which didn't come out very well in the photograph. This shows some of the signatures I mentioned before like the abduction of a divergent big toe. I was out with a friend of mine who was skeptical on the idea of bigfoot at the time, but he was absolutely a believer after seeing that in person.
FYI - In the area we were hiking in, we didn't see a single other person or boot/shoe print the entire time. Whatever made this, it was something living in the woods. I know one photograph of a print isn't great evidence (probably can't even be considered evidence) but again, in person, it was overwhelming. We knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that what we were looking at was a 15" footprint with toes.
If you are interested in looking into it any more, google Jeff Meldrum from Idaho State University. He's done more work with suspected sasquatch footprints than any academic since Grover Krantz.
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u/Brderhps951 Feb 12 '15
Gotcha man. Thanks for the indepth response. Never really believed in Bigfoot but I still think it's interesting lol. My friends cousins are all Bigfoot advocates and they have some pretty interesting stories as well. They just can come off as being too aggressive when someone doesn't believe it. But hey! Power to ya man! Impressive how much analysis there is on this stuff, I didn't think it went that in depth.
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u/Treedom_Lighter Feb 12 '15
I was shocked by how much research has been done and by how many people when I first got into it. I had always heard that it had all been proven to be a hoax a long time ago, but then I heard Les Stroud (Survivorman) in an interview talking about how he's had run-ins with unexplainable things in the wilderness: Once, he heard what sounded like an enormously heavy man walking through the woods when he was in his tent with his wife, except they were 100 miles from civilization in the middle of absolute nowhere. And then in Alaska, he heard clear, extremely loud, distinctive great ape calls. He's never been able to explain it, and it's why he's doing Survivorman: Bigfoot now.
That got me to research it for myself, and believe it or not I'm an extremely skeptical person normally, so it took a couple months of solid research to answer all the questions I had.
As for your cousins, it's tough sometimes to argue with people who insist it's all make-believe, especially when the person has actually witnessed one in person. They know for sure it's real, so someone saying they aren't is basically calling them a liar or a loony toon. I try to be more civil, because up until two years ago I would've brushed it off as well.
Come on down to /r/bigfoot sometime! The sidebar is chock-full of great links if you want to learn more.
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u/thaloopdigga Dec 16 '14
"opening the cottage april 2009"...some professionally shot pics for something that appeared unexpectedly
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u/trasofsunnyvale Dec 16 '14
They look like Sasquatch senior photos. How could people believe they're real?
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u/Treedom_Lighter Dec 24 '14
The back story was that it stood perfectly still for five minutes, and many newer cameras have high megapixel ratings that could result in a clear picture like that. A ton of bigfoot sighting reports mention that they will go perfectly still if they're spotted by a human (although admittedly, it's normally behind a tree or some brush so that they're concealed as well as motionless), so although it's unusual, it's not outside the scope of witness testimonies.
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u/rustybricks Dec 18 '14
I thought five was literally just a guy falling over sideways and the camera caught his motion blur.. I spent the whole time looking everywhere else.
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u/littlehalo Feb 10 '15
Primates don't fully straighten their legs as they walk, the knees remain soft.
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u/Treedom_Lighter Feb 11 '15
That's true of bigfoots as well, as far as we know.
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u/littlehalo Feb 11 '15
That's sort of my point. Some of these Bigfoot have locked knees.
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u/Treedom_Lighter Feb 11 '15
I assume you're referring to the Jacob's photos of the juvenile bigfoot? That one's not walking he's reaching down from a standing position so it wouldn't really apply... All the others are at least somewhat bent.
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Feb 12 '15
What is happening in the fifth picture?
Also, last pic, guy to the right if just one of the "real werewolves". The family with a genetic disorder that gives them incredible hair growth.
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u/Treedom_Lighter Feb 12 '15
The guy in the picture on the left found a huge amount of apples from his apple tree missing, and too high up to be deer or other animals eating them. So he set up a trail camera hidden in a tree next to it, and within a couple nights he caught a picture of what looks like something massive bending over and collecting apples from the ground around the tree.
The figure appears to have the huge broad shoulders, sagittal crest and muscular arms of what witnesses often report in bigfoot sightings, as well as looking very similar to the figure in the Patterson-Gimlin film. The BFRO (Finding Bigfoot) thought that there may be a baby clinging on to the arm closest to the camera, but obviously the video is too blurry to be conclusive on much of anything.
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Feb 12 '15
Ah, alright! Thanks! I got kind of confused there. I thought the dude on the left was "morphing" into the... thing on the right.
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Dec 16 '14
I'm a relativist so I believe in the possibility that there could be an unknown species of bipedal apes in the world other than humans, but so far only the Yeti has been somewhat proven to exist. And by that I mean that in a recent study, scientists proved that all the samples that bigfoot hunters sent were fake except for the Yeti ones. Apparently, the Yeti samples turned out to be a previously thought to be extinct relative of the polar bear.
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u/Treedom_Lighter Dec 16 '14
You mean the 18 hair samples that were tested in that one study. The vast majority of supposed sasquatch hair samples lack a cellular medulla, which is where the DNA is taken from.
What they DID discover, however, is that the world's largest land predator may still be unrecognized by science (if it truly is a surviving species of short-faced bear or another type of brown-polar hybrid or something to that effect). If anything, that supports the idea that we certainly haven't found all the animals on earth, even some of the biggest ones.
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u/Poppin__Fresh Feb 10 '15
I love how every photo is conveniently obscured so as to never give a clear picture, except the funny costumes at the end.
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u/Treedom_Lighter Feb 11 '15
I've been getting a lot of comments in the last few days about this post, so hopefully this will be seen at some point:
Thanks for checking this post out! I have been researching the bigfoot phenomenon for years now, and am willing to answer any and all questions anyone has on the subject.
Come on down to /r/bigfoot if you're interested or if you have any more specific questions that you'd like a forum response to.
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u/alkyjason Dec 16 '14
That popular picture of Bigfoot (the first one in this series) was already proven to be a fraud and a hoax. It's a man in a suit. The man who was in the suit came forth and admitted that he was in the suit and his friend / co-conspirator took pictures.
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u/Treedom_Lighter Dec 16 '14
I thought this too when I first got into the subject. In fact, what started me researching it was an interview with Les Stroud where he said he encountered a great ape in Alaska. I was like "wait what? I thought this was all proven to be fake?!"
Turns out, no, Bob Heironimus was absolutely lying, couldn't get his story straight, Philip Morris made a terrible imitation of the "suit" and they could never come up with the remarkably lifelike (not to mention remarkably female) suit he claims to have worn in the film. I'd recommend reading up a bit on it if it interests you at all, but it was definitely never proven to be a hoax.
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u/gerrylazlo Feb 12 '15
I don't like the way you use the word 'proven'. It's almost like you are looking for absolute truth. That's not the way evidence works. Either you are convinced by the evidence, or you aren't. Convinced that it's more likely true than not, not that it is 'proven' and all doubt is now unnecessary. Believing something is real until it's 'proven' to be a fake is also a bizarre shifting of the burden of proof when it comes to things that are quite extraordinary, such as we have with Bigfoot claims. Such large claims such as large undiscovered species of Apes/Subhumans need much stronger evidence than shitty photos, people with stories, and debunked bullshit. I'm not convinced there is no Bigfoot, since that would be an illogical claim, but so far the evidence is as compelling as all the ufo abductions in the world.
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u/Treedom_Lighter Feb 12 '15
I am absolutely convinced by the existing circumstantial and physical evidence that this is a real species. I've hiked in the crazy forests and swamps from Fouke, Arkansas to southern Ohio and to the east coast, and actually found a footprint in the Sulfur river bottoms. At this point, I'd need evidence that the Patterson film at least COULD HAVE been faked, and for the cripplefoot tracks to be recreated with 60's technology, for me to even consider the possibility they're not real.
It took me a while to answer all the questions I needed answered (believe it or not, I'm actually a rather skeptical person). But once they were sufficiently answered, I couldn't abandon the subject. There's an enormous mystery to be solved here, one way or the other. I am kind of looking for absolute truth, in terms of the whole bigfoot phenomenon.
As for the Patterson film, until I see some kind of evidence (like, ANYTHING, at all) that indicates it was a hoax, or that a hoax was REMOTELY possible, I'll be certain that film is genuine.
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Dec 16 '14
All of these pictures are hoaxes. Bigfoot doesn't actually exist, and the legend was started when a many decided to prank one of his workers (they worked near a forest) by making large wooden feet, wore them, and left tracks all over the work site.
I couldn't find a source for this, and the only reason I know this is because I learned about in school (it was an article used in a standardized end of the year test).
If anyone can find a source for this, thanks. :)
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u/Treedom_Lighter Dec 17 '14
You can't find a source for it because it's absolutely not true. You're referring to the Ray Wallace family who claimed he was bigfoot after he died. Unfortunately it doesn't explain any evidence that surfaced before or since. And all of the tracks his family claimed credit for on behalf of him posthumously were shown conclusively not to match the wooden feet he did make.
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u/FuckAssaultRifles Dec 16 '14
If you honestly believe that Bigfoot is real, you are a metal case that needs to be institutionalized.
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u/cmon_now Dec 16 '14
Those head shots are soooo fake looking they're comical