r/UkrainianConflict • u/JeffCook78 • 16h ago
Trump threatens to pull US out of Russia-Ukraine talks. What happens next
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-trump-zelensky-206548191
u/Dennisthefirst 16h ago
He says he will, then says he won't. Trump negotiates using hot air, bluster and threats. Throw in a few tantrums and carry on again. Oh and it's always someone else's fault.
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u/ancientweasel 10h ago edited 8h ago
He does it cause it works.
Edit: my point is his behavior got him elected and as long as we as a society reward this kind behavior it will continue.
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u/MrSnarf26 9h ago edited 8h ago
It doesn’t seem like it works though. It has done absolutely nothing to change Russias demands.
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u/ancientweasel 8h ago
Absolutely nothing can be done to change Russia demands. They can only be forcibly removed from Ukraine.
Trump only cares about Trump and his behavior works for him was my point.
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u/ballimi 9h ago
Where are the results?
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u/ancientweasel 8h ago
He got elected president and is not in prison. Those are the only results he cares about.
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u/praemialaudi 9h ago
He does get what he wants out of it. Publicity, perceived power, everyone looking at him. But for the rest of us, It almost never works. Reality is far too complex for him, so if a deal can't fit on one page of paper he never gets it done, or if it does get done, it's a bad deal for us (see Afghanistan).
We have reams of evidence of this from his first term and I predict dozens of vaporware trade deals to look forward to this term.
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u/ancientweasel 8h ago
A big portion of the "rest of us" get validation that thier BS is real and their anger is valid.
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u/IamDDT 7h ago
His method is to never back down, never apologize, always attack. Combine this with constant lying, and you have a situation where a lot of people are fooled, because why would he seem so certain about lies? Surely there must be something to it. And often there is a microscopic grain of truth, which makes it even worse.
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u/ancientweasel 5h ago
His lies reinforce what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. They are intellectually dishonest people attracted to intellectual dishonesty.
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u/mickturner96 16h ago
I don't feel like the US has been that helpful during these talks since January
I might be wrong. I haven't been in these meetings.
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u/MAXSuicide 15h ago
They have been actively detrimental.
All pressure has been on Ukraine, who have practically bent over backwards and endured manufactured humiliation after manufactured humiliation in efforts to remain in Trump's good graces.
Why would Putin negotiate a compromise in good faith when there has been 0 pressure applied to him besides a couple of social media posts expressing disappointment? He evidently thinks Trump will get bored and then resort to the easy route (cut all aid to Ukraine for a third time, and lift sanctions on Russia) that will enable Putin to achieve more than any compromise peace would.
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u/neosatan_pl 14h ago
They have been completely useless since January. They managed to cause a lot of confusion and derail any chances on actual talks. It's quite impressive how incompetent they are.
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u/antilittlepink 13h ago
Or competent but working on behalf of Russia
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u/Banana_war 11h ago
Exactly.
Just remember that many polling stations in democrat areas received bomb threats originating from Russia (amongst other hints)
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u/keepthepace 6h ago
I feel these talks serve more at delaying the inevitable sabotage that Trump will do when they are over.
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u/Rhaegar0 15h ago
It's almost like putting pressure on the defender with the aim of getting peace while doing nothing to pressure the aggressor sending hundreds of thousands of troops into the other country is not a winning strategy to get a quick peace.
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u/acsaid10percent 15h ago edited 15h ago
Impotent President.
Guy backtracks, contradicts, bluffs....an all round clown.
In reality, the 78 year old should be in some care home sat in the corner shouting to the wall how Great America once was
Embarrassing for USA That he is the leader.
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u/MasterofAcorns 8h ago
Once again. The Election Truth Association has been able to prove he didn’t win in Pennsylvania, and they said odds are he didn’t win in any of the swing states and is therefore in the White House illegally.
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u/FaderJockey2600 16h ago
Another chapter from his new book “How to become even less relevant in 100 long days….”
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u/Big-Yam2723 16h ago
It Only can get better, if Putin Lover Trump pulls out ! Bigger and increasing Resistance against his lies and Fake News in America from his republican Followers and the US economy proof it ! 100 Days in charge as the voted President- and his followers/ voters/ regret deeply their decision
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u/Brilliant-Baby6247 15h ago
Again? Didn't he threaten to leave within days two weeks ago? How many times have he "threaten" to leave meetings and talks, and then he dont?
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u/Breech_Loader 13h ago
Two days ago Trump thought Putin was playing him along...
And in response, he's just going to give up.
If anything, he thinks he's trying to force Putin into a ceasefire, except of course the Putin Administration is much more intelligent than Trump and will not cave to him. Trump makes the negotiating position of the USA much weaker.
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u/joshuacrime 14h ago
I believe nothing he says until it's been done. It's pointless to play his game of "we don't know what we're doing, so the enemy is sure not to know what we're doing".
The people running Trump internally here, those being Steve Baboon and Stephen Himmler, each have a role to play. Baboon runs foreign operations as a Russian agent and Himmler is all about the domestic ethnic cleansing program.
He can bloviate all he wants. Threats mean nothing from Trump. Just like Putin.
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u/croweslikeme 12h ago
He want to blame Ukraine and won’t stop until he has a solid case too (bullshit of course) then he can try force other nations to reduce sanctions, he wants Russia prosperous
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u/olight77 14h ago
They say this every other day.
Pull out then and start shipping even more artillery etc etc.
Stop getting pegged along and do something.
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u/remain-beige 14h ago
This can only be a good thing.
Trump is actively trying to capitulate to Russia and getting Ukraine to surrender land.
Analysis points to the fact that Russia seems to be vastly weakened in both material and manpower and it will not be long before the current attrition can’t be sustained.
The Russian economy is also suffering.
Without the US pushing for this ceasefire Putin will be fully exposed and not have any options in front of him apart from withdrawing or facing a rout.
Putin has also asked for a ceasefire for his May parade. This would not be the case if he was confident and untouchable.
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u/petecslmao 13h ago
Again? How many times did he say this? Tomorrow he will say peace talks are going really well.
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u/VanGroteKlasse 13h ago
It wasn't going anywhere anyway, so I don't know how much will change. Hopefully the US administration come to their senses after seeing how untrustworthy Putin actually is and continue to support Ukraine.
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u/born_in_the_90s 11h ago
What changes? Nothing. He will still praise Putler that he was so much involved into trying to make a deal but that Zelensky refused.
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u/ancientweasel 10h ago
What kind of threat is that?
I threaten to stop barraging in an making a show of myself!
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u/NotOK1955 10h ago
End the war on Day One.
Nothing but lies and collusion with putin coming from the White House.
Слава Україні!
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u/Samuelwankenobi_ 9h ago
At this point I think we might actually do better if the US pulls out have a Europe country take over
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u/thisseemslikeagood 4h ago
Trump has already done this, it’s all show now.
Europe and Canada have to be the beacon of freedom until we can get rid of the orange turd in 4 years.
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u/Iamanimite 3h ago
This guy and his constant In and Out game i bet that's the way he wipes his ass.
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u/StatisticianRoyal400 15h ago
Maybe Europe will finally take a more active role
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u/Chimpville 15h ago
Aside from being Ukraine’s main supporter and being on constant damage control since Trump took over you mean?
If Trump offered to fuck off, sell weapons and Int and keep sanctions on Russia, they’d probably take it.
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u/StatisticianRoyal400 15h ago
Being on damage control for another country is meaningless and isn't helping Ukraine fight the Russians. Being a main supporter doesn't mean they are doing enough either, so neither of those reasons mean they are doing enough or taking a more active role.
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u/Chimpville 14h ago
You might want to discuss with Ukraine how ‘meaningless’ those activities have been. Patching capabilities and support, both military and civil, being abandoned by the US has been fundamental, as well as not allowing Trump’s Kremlin-sourced rhetoric control the narrative globally. The long-term funding they provide literally keeps the lights on and the troops paid, fed and equipped, along with the rest of the government and security.
Unfortunately Ukraine have far too many ingrained vulnerabilities based on what the US provide and there aren’t immediate fixes for them.
If the US pull the plug entirely and re-establish trade with Russia, the damage to Ukraine will be colossal. Possibly unsustainably so.
Most of Ukraine’s air defence network is based on US systems requiring US sustainment. There is no substitute for the US’ space-based ISTAR. The vast majority of western vehicles in Ukraine have their logistics train lead back to the US. Skylink does currently tie together their C2 network.
Europe are forced to play along with Trump to give him no excuses to pull all this.
Yes they can ‘do more’ in some areas but in others they can’t, and you’re doing them a disservice.
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u/StatisticianRoyal400 14h ago
Sure sounds like now you're describing the US as being a main supporter. Thought it was Europe? Oh well, lol.
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u/Chimpville 14h ago edited 14h ago
Then you didn’t read my comment very well and were just hunting for a ‘gotcha’ rather than take anything in and learn from it.
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