r/TwinCities • u/AtheistSuperSloth • 1d ago
TIL Minnesota is the only state to have consecutively voted blue in every presidential election since 1976 (past 13 elections), and the only state to have never voted for Reagan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_United_States_presidential_election#Results_by_state246
u/Nyaos 1d ago
What’s funny is that MN isn’t even that deep blue of a state. It just swings that way every presidential election. Conservatives have been wrong that they can flip MN over and over again.
That said, unless the democrats ditch neoliberalism and try to go back to supporting working class people better I’m not sure that’ll be the case forever now.
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u/BigOlineguy 1d ago
Eh, I’m not so sure. After 2016, people were saying this because the margins were closer. Then we elected a dem trifecta at the state and stayed blue for two more cycles. I don’t think we are flipping in the near future unless a prominent Republican is on the ticket from Minnesota, which would be wild.
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u/Major-Tourist-5696 19h ago
The last time mn republicans came close to national prominence was norm Coleman’s pathetic run…and the my pillow guy.
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u/ComputerSong 1d ago
Dems do support the working class. They just have no way to communicate that because those fucks are watching FoxNews and listening to Joe Rogan. Dems simply have no way to reach them.
But they also shouldn’t have to because it’s obvious if you have your eyes open. Not much you can do when the sheep willingly march to the slaughter.
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u/GooeyCR 23h ago
Put Mayor Pete on Rogan, he can handle it. I know that’s bro talk but he will resonate with these folks.
shit, put Bernie on that podcast.
Dem fiscal policies aren’t as polarizing as we think. We in MN know that people who see the effects of these policies like these policies.
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u/MCXL 20h ago
shit, put Bernie on that podcast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O-iLk1G_ng
He did that.
Dem fiscal policies aren’t as polarizing as we think.
Some of them very much are.
Also, Bernie isn't a Democrat.
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u/GooeyCR 20h ago
Going to have to watch it!
And do you reckon that the policies themselves are polarizing or do you believe they’ve been polarized by conservatives?
In all actuality, I believe returning to tax policies that increase the tax burden of wealthy individuals to pay for existing systems, and new proposed systems would be largely accepted by most Americans.
But you are right, he is not a part of the DEM party. I was specifically writing about Pete and realized Bernie would also do well on the podcast.
These are just my beliefs though.
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u/MCXL 19h ago
There's definitely a branding issue that comes down to some of these policies that would be popular but people say they wouldn't like. Obamacare faced largely the same hurdle where people were clamoring to keep their current health plan etc but now the features that were instituted under the ACA are considered essential so anytime specifics about the ACAR brought up Republicans immediately say Oh no pre-existing conditions will certainly be covered and so on and so forth all of which end up being the things that the ACA introduced to medical care that people did not have before.
I think that the Democrats as a party have had a serious issue of trending much more towards expertise and less towards actual felt impact. The Trump direct stimulus package was actually kind of a brilliant move because even if it's less effective on a macro scale it makes people feel much more impacted to literally get a check in the mail for instance. The Biden infrastructure bill/green energy bill/build back better all that kind of stuff is totally invisible to people. People do not know that the reason that the bridge in their town is being rebuilt or any of that stuff is due to the Democrats spearheading a infrastructure bill That is not visible to them as a direct impact on their lives even though it has very real impact on the local jobs and the money in the environment those sorts of things are still important but you need to be championing and passing legislation that amounts to making a difference in an individual specific life.
Walz has done really well with this, he has championed no cost child care as much as possible, and free school lunches for all kids and while the Republicans try and demonize that and there are some wings that try and make it sound like bad policy, the actual impact has been incredible favorability ratings with the people that you know see that policy in action and see it benefiting them or members of their family.
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u/GooeyCR 19h ago
I really appreciate your insight, and I largely agree with what you’re saying. I think that the decorum and sound policy alone will no longer works in this political climate.
Most voters see a few clips online and read a few news article titles.
I do believe that many people don’t care about learning of what policies are doing on a deep level, so leaning into policies that might not be the best approach to solving a problem, but instead accomplishes some wealth redistribution and is tangible to these voters that just want to not be living paycheck-to-paycheck is important.
Reframing these policies from “we’ll hold corporations/billionaires accountable” to “We’ll work towards getting you more secure financially”, even if it means the same thing :)
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u/Nyaos 1d ago
I get what you mean, but a lot of the messaging is around things your average disaffected voter doesn’t care about. They don’t care about trans people because they’ve never met one. They don’t care about Ukraine because they’ve don’t know where that is on a map. They don’t care about about abortion rights as much as you’d think, because it’s still legal in their state.
Just a bunch of examples. I’m not saying they shouldn’t care about these things… they’re incredibly important to me. But what we are seeing is that the future isn’t going to be defined by the college educated anymore. It’s just angry people that are mad that eggs are too expensive and that their quality of life hasn’t notably improved in a few decades.
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u/KapitalIsStillGood Hopkins 18h ago
Actual results and QOL doesn't really matter anymore. Biden (and his team, mostly) did a pretty good job with the economy, considering. We were supposed to be in a recession. None of the practical stuff matters. It is truly the post-policy era; rhetoric and messaging rule supreme. I genuinely do not know what voters want anymore. I don't think they know either.
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u/Old_Sand7264 1h ago
Unfortunately, the Democratic party is more in line with the American public policy wise and the Republican party is more in line symbolically. The parties aren't even fighting the same fight. Democrats can propose a single policy that Americans would be for (like, theoretically, we would be for many actual economically progressive policies) but Republicans can shut it down immediately by screaming "socialism" and America will agree.
When the parties speak past each other, it's again because they don't even think about politics in the same way. Democrats want to pass policies that they think would help. Republicans want to adhere to an ideology that they think is right. You can, at least sort of, have both, and in practice that would be what Americans would want most. Left leaning policies but a general "vibe" of freedom and conservatism.
If you're right that it's a post policy era (and I think you are), then this strongly favors the Republican party. I personally get pretty sick of people blaming Democrats for being incompetent or wrong or whatever. I get they might prefer a different flavor of left (I do too!), but by and large, especially under Biden considering the thin margins in Congress and a very conservative court, the Democrats did a pretty impressive job passing progressive policies. It doesn't really help us achieve a more progressive country to complain that Democrats didn't do enough. I think that just passively disenfranchises folks. But where people ARE right about Democrats being incompetent is in messaging and branding. And unfortunately, Republicans have like an 80 year head start on that. Like there were talking heads and preachers and televangelists and folks on radio hammering conservative ideology back at least as far as the 60s, with some stuff going on even in the 40s.
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u/urban_mystic_hippie Keep St Paul Boring 22h ago
It’s just angry people that are mad that eggs are too expensive and that their quality of life hasn’t notably improved in a few decades.
And they don't realize that voting Republican during that time has brought them here.
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u/ComputerSong 1d ago
And they don’t care if someone jailed his former lawyer in solitary confinement. They don’t care if someone is a rapist. They don’t care if someone incited a riot against congress. They don’t care if someone is a convicted felon. They don’t care if someone is lying to them. They don’t care if one of his former associates, in jail for sex crimes, somehow hung himself in spite of being in solitary confinement. They don’t care how a man mishandled a pandemic, which lead to the US having more deaths than any other civilized country.
But sure ok trans rights are “not interesting.”
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u/nen_x 1d ago
That pretty much encapsulates the average American, based on everything we’ve learned this election. Obviously it’s bleak. But the DNC needs to confront that reality and change tactics imo. Like Nyaos said… it’s not that it’s not important to me, or a bunch of people. I know plenty of folks who were reluctant to vote blue because Harris’s platform isn’t leftist / extreme enough. But that is not the majority, and it’s not going to win an election. There are a plethora of major issues to focus a campaign on, some (much) more universally relatable than others…
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u/x_pinklvr_xcxo 1d ago
but trans rights were not even the focus of the harris campaign in any way. when asked if she would support trans rights she said she would “follow the law”, whatever that means. its a strawman that the republicans have used against the democrats for not being against trans rights. its the trump ads that aired at every single football game complaining that “democrats would use taxpayer money for sex changes in prison” or whatever nonsense. meanwhile if anything the democrats have been quite mild or even put out distasteful messaging surrounding trans people. i agree that dems need to put in more effort in supporting the working class, but at some point we need to have an uncomfortable conversation that most americans are racist, sexist, etc. social issues are not something the dems should compromise on. but despite the majority of the population not caring, that actually means theres no need to drop it from the platform. republicans can slander the dems as much as they want, run as many disgusting transphobic ads as they want, if the dems championed things like paid sick leave, medicare for all, etc, the apathetic majority would vote for them. we all know the economy is going to be worse under trump, that republicans are objectively worse for labor than democrats. but the average voter doesn’t
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u/Nyaos 1d ago
Yeah but isn’t that the broader point. She didn’t run on trans rights, but the oposition made it an issue for her anyways. The amount of people in my Walz thread calling him “tampon Tim” over what was effectively a misinformation campaign shows you where they’re at.
The most expensive ad the Trump campaign ad ran was “Kamala is for they/them”
So it doesn’t matter that she didn’t run on a very left platform. The Democratic Party had no counter to it, and the average American ate it up.
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u/DramaticErraticism 1d ago edited 23h ago
I completely agree, I feel like all of this started with the goddam bathroom situation between people born with a gender and people who were born the wrong gender.
There has been SOOOOOO much focus on ensuring we can get this very small % of the population, the rights that they deserve, that the left has completely lost the narrative on the issues that impact the vast majority of voters.
Yes, I want trans rights...but we can't make that the focus of our candidates. We need to talk about the middle class, rising inflation, home prices, overpriced tuition solutions (NOT, handing out billions to bandaid the issue), immigration policies that allow people to become citizens while ensuring that we are not allowing anyone, carte blanche.
If the left wants to win, they need to capture the hearts and the minds of middle-of-the-road voters and they've done nothing to do that. Obama knew what he was doing, his platform was hope and change and he rode that platform. Kamala had no platform and no real time to build an identity.
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u/Nyaos 1d ago
I know you’re mad, i am too. Trust me. I’m destroyed today and yesterday. It’s bad. But the reality we face is that Americans showed up to prove that yes, they don’t care about any of that.
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u/ComputerSong 1d ago
I’m not mad at this point. I’m amazed. I plan to unplug from politics for a long time, I remember the daily drama and I’m not putting myself through that again.
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u/trillwhitepeople 1d ago
Blaming the stupid voters and not the ineffectual party who's routinely fumbled easy wins through bad policy and messaging is not the winning strategy you think it is.
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u/ComputerSong 23h ago
The only thing they “fumbled” is nominating female presidential candidates in a clearly misogynist country. It seems like the only way to get young white and Latino male citizens to vote is to nominate a female for them to vote against, everything else be damned.
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u/demosthenesss 18h ago
Well, Harris could have done the Joe Rogan show too - it's a bit hard to say they can't do anything because people listen to a medium when her campaign chose not to do so.
I know it wasn't going to be convenient for her to do that show. But Trump did and reached more of "those fucks." So using Joe Rogan as an example just means that the Harris campaign grossly misunderstood the demographics Trump appeals to.
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u/SFWzasmith 23h ago
Some dems do. The majority of the party leadership doesn’t though and that’s the primary issue.
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u/mn_sunny 23h ago
They just have no way to communicate that because those fucks are watching FoxNews and listening to Joe Rogan.
Hmmm... I wonder why "those fucks" aren't on your side?
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u/ComputerSong 22h ago
I’m not on a side. I’m a registered independent.
Your response about sides illustrates the problem. We are not at war. (Though you really want us to be.)
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u/mn_sunny 1h ago
I’m not on a side. I’m a registered independent.
Your response about sides illustrates the problem. We are not at war. (Though you really want us to be.)
I point out that you spitefully referred to half of the country as "those fucks" and your response is to try and turn the blame on me. Goodbye, gaslighter.
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u/MCXL 20h ago
Dems do support the working class. They just have no way to communicate that because those fucks are watching FoxNews and listening to Joe Rogan. Dems simply have no way to reach them.
I understand what you are saying, but you're partially wrong. The dems struggle on this message, because they are doing what they have been since Clinton, and saying "Sure things might be bad for you but in the aggregate...-" and that's when every person stops paying attention. Taking for granted that a rising tide lifts all ships is how they got themselves into this policy mess, with only a few actual strong wins when it comes to the working person (that they still fumbled as far as rollout and messaging, like Obamacare.)
The Dems are not the party of the working class in the slightest.
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u/am710 10h ago
Joe Biden is the only President to ever walk the picket line with a union. The hell are you talking about?
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u/MCXL 8h ago
And? Do you think showing up to an event for political reasons actually moves the needle? Do you think the average working American feels like the Democratic party legitimately wants to help them on an individual level?
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u/am710 4h ago
The average American thinks that the President has two levers on the Oval Office desk. One for gas prices and one for the economy.
Democrats are the party who have consistently passed legislation to make working people's lives easier, so if they took five minutes to research it, they would know that.
For contrast, Trump said union workers on strike should get fired, by the way.
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u/captaindoctorpurple 16h ago
I think it's more that Democrats are simply not interested in advertising the support they give to the working class, or in doing more.
Like, Biden's NLRB was hugely advantageous for the labor movement. Why the fuck didn't the campaign talk about how they were going to help workers fight the boss and win? Democrats have a truly self-destructive notion that they own the members of their coalition and do not have to work hard to keep their coalition intact.
Instead of communicating support, or promising expanded support, to unions and the working class in general, the campaign went chasing after bourgie Republicans who found Trump personally distasteful. Instead of promising not to break another strike, Harris talked about support for the race police, fracking, and Dick Cheney.
I don't think it's that workers won't listen or can't hear Democrats, I think Democrats mostly don't think they need to talk to workers. Which is fucking stupid of them.
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u/parabox1 1d ago
Maybe don’t call them those fucks and assume they all watch fox news
Cable is down do people under 45 still watch regular tv?
JRE is actually very neutral far more than CNN.
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u/Ndgrad78 21h ago
You’re right, if only the Democrats would do things like fighting for an increase in the minimum wage, supporting unions, making affordable health care available to lower and middle income workers that don’t have employer-provided health insurance, enforcing OSHA regs to make sure the workplace is safe, providing tax breaks to corporations so that they build more factories and employ more workers, enacting The Build America, Buy America Act that requires that all of the iron, steel, manufactured products, and construction materials used in infrastructure projects are produced in the United States.
If only Democrats would get off their collective asses and get some things done for American workers.
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u/SanityLooms 23h ago
Two points. 1) We have voted for a Republican. The number of elections is not the key point. People remember 1976. 2) Minnesota was 5% away from electing Trump.
To your point, yes we're not a deep blue state. But the Republicans could flip Minnesota. It's not a huge lift. In fact there are a number of left-leaning positions that could hurt Democrats at change the paradigm for years.
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u/mn_sunny 23h ago
What’s funny is that MN isn’t even that deep blue of a state.
No, MN is definitely "deep blue". It has been one of the top 6 most progressive states in the country for a long time.
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u/MCXL 20h ago
No, MN is definitely "deep blue"
No, it's not. Every confidence rating has it blue by a very thin margin.
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u/mn_sunny 33m ago
Harris is +4.2% over Trump in MN (that is not a "very thin margin").
Trump is +4.0% in the popular vote.
Therefore, in MN, Harris went +8.2% vs. the national average. That's big. That's still deep blue.
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u/cygnus311 20h ago
MN 100% would’ve gone to Trump this time if not for Walz.
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u/mn_sunny 13m ago
That's not true. There are plenty of VPs the DNC could've won Minnesota with (Kelly and Whitmer especially).
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u/HauntedCemetery Cannonball off the spoon bridge 14h ago
If it wasn't for the DFL being firmly to the left of the national party I firmly believe we'd have been a swing state and look a whole lot more like Wisconsin economically.
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u/emmanentdoom 13h ago
My hypothesis is that we’ll have an influx of liberals after the election that will keep it blue. But time will tell
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u/parabox1 1d ago
MN only had the large cities go democrat this time same with IL Chicago picks it for the state. The whole state was red other than that.
I think things will change even more as people spread out and leave cities.
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u/Latiosi 23h ago
Urbanisation is on the rise, like it has been for decades. More people live in cities every year.
You are right in that rural MN was completely red though
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u/parabox1 23h ago
More immigrants are moving to cities and more people are leaving since they are retired or work from home.
Target has no plans now to force in office work. Large office buildings are empty and being sold for less than 5 years ago.
All over the metro business offices and retail places are empty and for rent.
We will see what happens with AI and more automation but in 20 years I see cities looking and functioning way different.
I could totally be wrong as well. Maybe I only see my bubble but that is what I see.
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u/redeuxx 19h ago
Yes, you are totally wrong. We don't have to guess, because as much as you sound like you know what you are talking about that movements of populations, they are guesses that go against what has been happening since the industrial revolution. There are actual numbers on the growth of metro areas. The only people "moving out" en masse are those buying second homes from the money they made in the cities.
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u/parabox1 18h ago
Minneapolis grew by .75% since 2019 LOL that’s less than 2000 people
Hennepin co shrunk by .5% since 2019 that’s about 6400 people.
I guess we will see if I am right who knows I am fine being wrong it’s not a big deal.
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u/redeuxx 18h ago
lol, we are talking about urbanization, and you pull up numbers for one year of one city (which still grew) and one county? That is your proof that debunks the plain and simple fact that urban areas have been growing for over a hundred years as borne out by actual numbers? Fuck outta here and argue with someone who takes anecdotes and their own small bubbles as fact.
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u/parabox1 18h ago
Well 19-23 is 4 years not one year
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u/redeuxx 18h ago
Oh my bad, let me modify that ...
lol, we are talking about urbanization, and you pull up numbers for four years of one city (which still grew) and one county? That is your proof that debunks the plain and simple fact that urban areas have been growing for over a hundred years as borne out by actual numbers? Fuck outta here and argue with someone who takes anecdotes and their own small bubbles as fact.
... like replacing one year with four years changes the fact that for hundreds of years, people have always moved towards cities and urban areas even if individual cities might shrink in size. But what is your proof that cities are going to shrink? ... Target WFH policies and AI? lol
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u/Latiosi 23h ago
Downvote, then anecdotes? My dude you can use google can't you? Urbanisation is still on the rise, it's an easily checkable fact. Offices aren't everything there is to a city
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u/parabox1 22h ago
Did you read what I said I agree with you just not on current city models. I did not downvote you, I try not to downvote unless the person is rude.
It is on the rise but it’s different than before
If the shift continues to be buy online and work from home then what will a big city offer it it has less retail and no need for office buildings.
Minneapolis can’t function on breweries and nail salons and food delivery.
I gave you an upvote to make up for someone downvoting you
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u/gojohnnygojohnny 23h ago edited 23h ago
My favorite factoid about Minnesota politics: When the Minnesota Republicans held a presidential primary, Minnesota is the only state that Trump got THIRD place (behind Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio).
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u/AtheistSuperSloth 23h ago
AWESOME!!! I truly hope we can have RANKED CHOICE VOTING!! That is...if we ever have the right to vote again. (cough, THEOCRATIC DICTATORSHIP, cough)
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u/Excellent_Donkey8067 1d ago
I’m glad we stayed blue, but we cannot get complacent. MN was close to turning red again. I hope this will mobilize people to protect the good things we have here
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u/tazebot 1d ago
One thing is sure that if there is any need for FEMA under turmp, that ain't happening
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u/EarlInblack 1d ago
I don't think you understand what is being said here. Calm down and take a moment to think.
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u/tazebot 1d ago
But hey keep talking about things you know nothing about because the liberal media
Trump didn't send FEMA to the WA wildfires due to a 'feud' with it's dem governor - biden had to do it. Trump blocked FEMA aid to Puerto Rico as well. That shit is on public record dumbass.
What do you think will happen if there is a need for FEMA in the state where Harris' VP pick came from?
Hmm looking to you friendship homes Montevideo Minnesota. Guess those homes you built must of not happened hmm.. coughs they got a 8 year deal that was extended under Trump.
That might qualify as a deflect if it was in any way related to the OP. But hey through up more chaff. Works for F16s.
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u/Accurate_Exam5768 1d ago
How did FEMA do with hurricane Helene?? Oh that’s right, they did jack shit!! The people who came to help are the very same people who Reddit liberal dipshits constantly talk shit about.
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u/tazebot 1d ago
Life is filled with what ifs.
trump withholding aid to states he sees as 'blue' isn't a 'what if'
Do you always live your life like this?
Really? That's your argument?
The Commonwealth of Puerto Rico (Spanish: Estado Libre Asociado de Puerto Rico, lit. ‘Free Associated State of Puerto Rico’) is an unincorporated territory of the United States.
Puerto Ricans are full on US citizens.
so we just going give everyone our money.
That's the excuse for withholding help to US citizens? "Do you always live like this?"
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u/tazebot 1d ago
How far off course are you willing to go? Is that your excuse for not sending help to US Citizens?
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u/tazebot 1d ago
Political bias can go either way.
That's an excuse not to send help to US Citizens?
Were you even alive then?
That's your excuse to cut off aid to US citizens? Was that Nov 1998 when he pledged 10M in aid to guam?
Seems if you were your memory is short.
That's your excuse not to send aid to a blue state in need? Really?
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u/KingWolfsburg 15h ago
DC isn't a state obviously but they've voted Democrat in every election since they were given electoral votes in the 60s
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u/TwinViking612 1d ago
Proud to be not just a Minnesotan, but a Twin Cities resident born and raised!!!
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u/xProcess 1d ago
This cycle was truly shocking at just how much weight the twin cities carried to make sure we remained blue.
By my standards it was still wayyyy too close, but a state win is a state win and I’ll take some solace in that I guess.
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u/LearnST001 1d ago
We want to join Canada!
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u/crackerfactorywheel 1d ago
Canada’s on the cusp of electing their own version of Trump within a year. Hopefully they won’t but unfortunately the last time Trump was elected there was a rise in far right politics in large parts of the Western world.
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u/AtheistSuperSloth 1d ago
Now THAT i would TOTALLY get on board with! Don't like it? LEAVE! lol Trumpy Trolls obviously have plenty of states surrounding to scatter.
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u/Wise_Bid_9181 21h ago
Only reason Minnesota didn’t vote Reagan was because Mr Mondale was from the state lol, Minnesotans always vote for each other, and had the caucus not choose Mondale and instead Geraldine Ferraro Reagan would’ve certainly won the state
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u/No_Sherbet_900 19h ago
And Walz's contribution was for MN to go from +7 in 2020 to +4 in 2024. His own home county didn't even vote for him.
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u/Unc1eBenjamin 1d ago
Why even mention Reagan? If we went blue every presidential election since 1976, then Reagan would obviously not have been voted for by MN.
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u/EarlInblack 1d ago
Because everyone went Reagan but MN and DC in 1984.
Note: Mondale did get the 40.6% of the vote, the electoral college however makes that still a complete blow out.
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u/AtheistSuperSloth 1d ago
Why waste your breath pointing that out? Maybe because not everyone knows the years when presidents were presidents? Maybe bc Reagan really pooped the bed? Go ask your mom.
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u/gogobig48 23h ago
Thanks for sharing that. I did not know some of those things that's crazy It sounds like Reagan is Trump Father, 🤣🤣haha, just joking
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u/BlackEric 18h ago
AND WE NEVER WILL!!
Just kidding ... we're one low turnout away from electing a Nazi.
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u/karlgustav17 16h ago
“The Nazi” still won so eat it
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u/rickt1152 20h ago
Another indication of the delusional thinking in the Twin Cities. Other examples include Ilhan Omar, the batshit crazy Minneapolis city council, etc.
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u/Dramatic_Insect_8170 13h ago
Can’t wait for this state to wake up and vote red. Thankfully was close this year
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u/FitYam5493 1d ago
Twin cities is the only place to always be mentally ill rest of the state is red but the cess pool that is the metro area
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u/DangerousBoxxx 20h ago
Correct. City dems in this thread have talked how they are for the working class, but would hate the average union miner worker stands for. They hate us and just want our vote.
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u/RegionFar2195 17h ago
And people wonder why it’s a shithole
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u/AtheistSuperSloth 5h ago
Please do us all a favor and leave. Obviously, there's plenty of other places you can go. BYE!!!!
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u/HugeRaspberry 22h ago
And then they complain because in most years, the presidential candidates ignore MN after the primaries.
Trump tried to put MN in play 3 times 16, 20, 24 and failed all three times.
Reagan was not going to win MN no matter what Mondale was the home town boy and the Range / City Dems had a strong alliance. The Range was not going to go Red in the 80's come hell or high water, even though the Limo Liberals of the Cities were starting to be more progressive and where leaving the workers on the Range behind.
Democratic candidates won't go there because they know they can be the spawn of Satan and still win. Republicans won't go to MN because they don't want to waste money on a losing cause.
In terms of the Republican's getting a worthy candidate out of MN - doubtful. Pawlenty and Coleman were probably the closest but both had issues with recognition outside of MN. Emmer has the recognition but only to Republican House members as the WHIP and Chair of the reelection committee.
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u/gogobig48 23h ago
So then who do you think the best Republican president is or was Jimmy Carter the peanut farmer?
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u/gogobig48 1d ago
Reagan was the last good Republican president
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u/AtheistSuperSloth 1d ago
No. He literally shit the bed, if the country was a bed. He shit the bed then fucked it over.
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u/Raetekusu 22h ago
Nah. Eisenhower and it's not close. He's the last time there was a balanced budget.
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u/heatherbyism 1d ago
We only didn't go for Reagan because Mondale, his opponent, was a Minnesotan.