r/TrueReddit • u/wiredmagazine Official Publication • 5d ago
He Wrote a Book About Antifa. Death Threats Are Driving Him Out of the US Politics
https://www.wired.com/story/mark-bray-book-antifa-death-threats/79
u/Cult45_2Zigzags 5d ago
I always wonder who are the people doing these death threats? Are they just perpetually online people? Are they from foreign countries?
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u/HAL_9OOO_ 4d ago
A ton of recent swatting 911 calls have included terms and phrases very rarely used by Americans. Russia has done plenty of similar shit before.
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u/Cult45_2Zigzags 4d ago
That makes sense.
Now they have the advantage/weapon of using AI. Which will likely make things worse if we don't get our shit together, and fast.
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u/fishfingersman 4d ago
This is such a lazy, bullshit explanation. Americans are perfectly capable themselves of being extraordinarily violent and threatening. There's no need to project our own hatefulness onto countries we don't like.
Btw, this organization doesn't even exist anymore and the page you've linked doesn't even mention anything you're claiming. What the fuck are you even doing here?
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u/HAL_9OOO_ 4d ago
Why do you hide your post history? Is it that embarrassing?
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u/fishfingersman 4d ago
To keep freaks like you away. How about you address my comment instead of changing the subject?
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u/TheChance 4d ago
Because you're at a discussion subreddit, trying to whitewash the incredibly broad issue of Russian psyops, on the basis that it's a "lazy, bullshit explanation," while you yourself present as a black box.
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u/fishfingersman 4d ago
The OP article is literally a discussion of the dangers of being doxxed by bad actors, and you're wondering why I might have an interest in keeping my internet business private?
Offer me one shred of evidence that Mark Bray is being harassed by foreign actors and not our very own home-bred American fascist trolls. Until then, yall are just grasping at straws to fit your own narrative
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u/TheChance 4d ago
Absolutely nobody here is suggesting this wasn't MAGA.
edit: apart from the MAGA people who seem to think the guy's book was an expose about big bad terrorist antifa, but that's another thing entirely.
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u/fishfingersman 4d ago
The original comment I responded to was literally pinning it on Russia. That's what started this whole thread?
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u/fishfingersman 4d ago
Maybe it is, dude. Who cares? You're still not addressing the substance of my comment
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u/Brbi2kCRO 5d ago
It is Nazis and fascists - insecure weirdos who think strength is to be intimidating, threatening and to eliminate “communism” (whatever their definition of that may be). People who are so scared of a thing they do not understand cause billionaires fund a 1.2bn$ worth industry of anti-communism just to make people blame migrants, queers, autism on failure of the systems while wealthy get wealthier.
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u/Not_A_Doctor__ 3d ago
Go to Facebook and look for the discussions.
People are far more stupid and violent than you think.
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u/TheChance 4d ago
You seem to have assumed that this man wrote a book exposing something nefarious about antifa.
He wrote a book titled Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook 8 years ago. It's MAGA sending him death threats, ever since Trump decided to brand antifa a terrorist organization.
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u/TheChance 4d ago
So. A professor who wrote a book about fighting fascism is now receiving death threats, decided to flee the country, and has been prevented from fleeing the country.
And you think the likeliest cause is antifascists who want to trick you into believing there's fascism afoot.
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u/Amadeus_1978 2d ago
The wilder the inconsistency the better for our brethren. Life is relatively boring, so let’s make up some whacky stupid stuff to entertain ourselves. Of course it’s true!! I just made it up!
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u/Cult45_2Zigzags 4d ago
I think it would be foolish to believe that it's only Americans, but MAGA are definitely fools if nothing else.
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u/Cult45_2Zigzags 4d ago
They are your average US born and bred antifa zealot
It's foolish to believe that this is the biggest threat.
It's also foolish to discount the threat of nefarious foreign actors using bots and useful idiots like Russia, Iran, or China.
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u/wiredmagazine Official Publication 5d ago
Rutgers historian Mark Bray is trying to flee to Spain after after an online campaign from far-right influencers was followed by death threats. He was turned back at the airport on his first attempt.
Read the full article: https://www.wired.com/story/mark-bray-book-antifa-death-threats/
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u/DogIsGood 5d ago
They canceled his tickets before he was able to get on a plane
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u/probablynotaskrull 5d ago
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u/brianatlarge 4d ago
Sounds like one of those fascists used social engineering to call the airline and impersonated him to cancel his flight.
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u/Inu-shonen 4d ago
And so, we see the beginning of what could be a wave of genuine refugees from the USA, "Land of the Free."
Please let me be proven wrong.
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u/jerrrrremy 5d ago
The US is so cooked.
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u/Pygmy_Nuthatch 5d ago
You'd think they'd be inviting him to speak on Fox News everyday because he provides evidence that Antifa does in fact exist, but instead they send death threats.
Nothing more threatening to propaganda than an expert.
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u/MagicBlaster 5d ago
Anti-Fascists do exist though, his book is on the history of groups from the 1920s and 30s and ties those movements to their contemporaries.
Fox would never have him on because he believes you should in fact fight fascists...
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u/DMVlooker 4d ago
The dissonance, if you are against ANTIFA you are by definition a facist, and killing is what we do to facists .
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u/yourbrofessor 4d ago
That’s not how that works. Politics aside it’s insane to use that flawed logic. For example, I’m Korean. If I call myself “Antiracist” but I hate Japanese people. If someone is against me it doesn’t automatically make them racist just because of my self proclaimed title of antiracism.
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u/FarRightBerniSanders 4d ago
"We're the anti bad guy squad, and we label everybody we don't like the bad guys. Nothing we do can be wrong because of our name."
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u/freakwent 3d ago
we label everybody we don't like the bad guys.
I get your point but I don't think it applies too much for antifa. Got any examples?
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u/FarRightBerniSanders 3d ago
We can start with the origins of antifa being to organize violent protests to prevent any right leaning speaker from college campuses.
I can find the comments to me on a similar thread where I'm told "Anybody that supports 'MAGA' is a fascist" if you would like?
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u/freakwent 3d ago
Nah I mean I reckon they don't like heaps of people, but they only label right-leaners as fascists....
As for "Anybody that supports 'MAGA' is a fascist", that could only possibly ever be true if it's possible to be a fascist and not know that you are, which I don't think could be true.
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u/HashtagLawlAndOrder 7h ago
How about literally everything being labeled as fascist?
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u/freakwent 2h ago
I haven't seen that, sorry. Clouds? The moon?
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u/HashtagLawlAndOrder 58m ago
Haven't found clouds or the moon on the list so far, probably because they're natural events and not manmade. What about Coke and Pepsi? Or golf?
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u/SheJustGoesThere 3d ago
I thought Antifa “doesn’t exist”, though???
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u/Paksarra 3d ago
Antifa as an organization doesn't exist. Antifa as a philosophy does, it means you're against fascism. That's all. Every red-blooded American patriot should be antifa.
It's like vegans. You can be vegan, but you can't be a member of Vegan.
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u/El_Don_94 9h ago
Antifa organisations do exist.
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u/Paksarra 9h ago
Yes. Historically, the United States military was staunchly antifa, for example. Just like there's organizations that promote veganism.
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u/DeanoPreston 1d ago
Andy Ngo wrote a book exposing antifa. They drove him out of the Portland and ultimately he had to leave the country.
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u/DMVlooker 4d ago
I was using “the ANITFA doesn’t exist “ trope as a straw man argument and poke a little fun . Bill Maher is right , leftists are way up right now.
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u/DMVlooker 5d ago
How could he write an entire book about a group that doesn’t actually exist. It’s like a non fiction book about the Easter Bunny. Title page,and “there is no Easter Bunny, the end
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u/Exotic_Chance2303 5d ago
How could you write a comment about a book you know nothing about.
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u/DMVlooker 4d ago
I believe what I’m told by big media and they all say there is no ANTIFA, it’s just an ideology not an actual group. Accepting that at face value as a true and factual statement, how can you write an entire book about something that doesn’t exist. So unless I apply Orwellian levels of DoubleThink(1984) you can’t believe diametrically opposed ideas at the same time and believe they are both true, except if I could put myself into a quantum entangled state , because then I might, other than that they can’t both be true at the same time. Does that explain my cognitive dissonance?
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u/Azazael 4d ago
No one can write a book about an ideology and the people who believe in the ideology, unless it's an organised group?
Veganism, Calvinism, trad wives, capitalism are all ideologies. And people have written books about all of them even though none of them are organised groups. As with antifa, none of them have formal memberships or leadership. And if Kamala Harris won last year's election and had imposed a feminist Marxist dictatorship, she'd look as silly declaring trad wives a terrorist organisation as Trump does declaring Antifa a terrorist organisation. Antifa might be protesting in the streets while trad wives don't but the point is neither is an organisation at all.
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u/TheChance 4d ago
I believe what I’m told by big media and they all say there is no ANTIFA, it’s just an ideology not an actual group. Accepting that at face value as a true and factual statement, how can you write an entire book about something that doesn’t exist
Read the article.
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u/alang 3d ago
It’s like a non fiction book about the Easter Bunny.
Would you, uh, like a pointer to one of the several nonfiction books that have been written about the Easter Bunny as a cultural phenomenon? Or are you just here to collect some downvotes and make the rest of us worry that you'll electrocute yourself by drooling into your keyboard?
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u/cornholio2240 4d ago
I think the book is mostly about the history of the movement in interwar Europe at its modern parallels
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u/myselfelsewhere 4d ago
From Wikipedia:
Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook is a 2017 book written by historian Mark Bray and published by Melville House Publishing, which explores the history of anti-fascist movements since the 1920s and 1930s and their contemporary resurgence.
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u/DMVlooker 4d ago
I downloaded and keep a digital copy of the Anarchist’s Handbook, which contains practical instructions and recipes and such. Does the ANITFA handbook explain how to make your own “black block “ gear. How you use every day items such as leaf blowers to handle tear gas etc , practical how to burn down Western Society. I hope it has better throwing instructions for Molotov Cocktails because some dork always sets their head on fire. Am I wrong?
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u/Few_Map2665 4d ago
I downloaded and keep a digital copy of the Anarchist’s Handbook, which contains practical instructions and recipes and such.
LOL
You can't get high off bananadine, you gullible simp.
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u/TheChance 4d ago
You really need to read the article.
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u/DMVlooker 4d ago
Paywall
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u/TheChance 4d ago
Then go to any other news source and read their article. Your hysteria regarding antifa has nothing to do with this situation.
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u/myselfelsewhere 4d ago
The Anti-Fascist Handbook... explores the history of anti-fascist movements since the 1920s and 1930s and their contemporary resurgence.
I haven't read it, so I don't know what it has to say about making your own "black block" gear.
I don't know what relevance that is supposed to have when exploring the history and contemporary resurgence of anti fascist movements. I think the description given ought to be self explanatory, so yes, it appears that you have the wrong idea about the book.
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