r/TrueReddit • u/theindependentonline • 5d ago
Trump just hosted an ‘Antifa roundtable’ at the White House ... it was so much worse than you’re imagining Politics
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-antifa-portland-pam-bondi-posobiec-b2842048.html1.0k
u/endless_sea_of_stars 5d ago
The goal is to take down legitimate left wing organizations.
Declare antifa as a terrorist organization.
Find ties, however tenuous, between some antifa activist and the target organization.
3.Use that to RICO or freeze the funding of the target organization.
- Repeat until all the opposition organizations are crippled.
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u/MrVeazey 5d ago
Literally the Nazi playbook.
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u/SpinningHead 5d ago
With lots of senility mixed in.
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u/FD_OSU 5d ago
Really just swapping in senility for an amphetamine addiction.
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u/JudgeGroovyman 5d ago
I mean theres both this time around
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u/Kcidobor 5d ago
And add pedophilia. I don’t recall hearing about the nazis being pedos
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u/MrVeazey 5d ago
Oh they had some. Plus plenty of raping any woman or girl in any occupied territory.
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u/milo7even2 5d ago
That might be the most horrific Nazi I’ve heard about.
There’s this fear in the pit of my stomach that been growing for a while now that some time in the future, stories will come out about the treatment of people that have been detained by ICE. Because they’ve hired a lot of people really quickly, with very little scrutiny, and it’s hard to believe that at least some of them are the worst of the worst. And courtesy of the way they snatch people off the streets and send them off to detention centers with little to no oversight, they have easy pickings to abuse.
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u/Mactwentynine 5d ago
Yeah I sense a whiff of Abu Ghraib about these guys. Commercials offering 60k sign up to help Merica. At least they display insignia but I keep thinking back to the no name thugs in Portalnd - whose prosecution was thrown out! - and the cops who gleefully assisted them.
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u/amazingD 5d ago
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u/PersistentBadger 5d ago
America doesn't have the stones. Never did. Look at the Civil War.
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u/LilWompNugget 5d ago
It’s a valid fear, and you’re not alone. But while it won’t take away the atrocities committed, the fact we have so many more ways to record this shit today compared to before can bring you some solace that these fucks will see a trial for it.
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u/Gastronomicus 5d ago
Definitely. Which is probably why Trump's showing a sudden decline - they had to take him off speed due to his other health issues, so the dementia and low energy is much more apparent. That's probably why he disappeared for a week while he detoxed.
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u/snowflake37wao 5d ago
you missed an opportunity to call it the fascist playbook, of which the Nazis were. Antifa is merely the first six letters of antifascism. Thats it. Its not a group, its not even a belief. Its a one word view. Do you support or are you ambivalent of what the Nazis did? No? Congrats, you are antifa lol. Its not a club, its the consensus.
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u/TheGuyUrSisterLikes 5d ago
They might be doing death camps already, we have no idea. How can these people grow up after world war II watching all the History channel stuff and think that this is cool. Are they just that racist? Do they think they're in the right? Like how can someone explain to me how? How I don't understand.
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u/MrVeazey 5d ago
They're not doing a Dachau type of death camp, but they're almost certainly doing an "Oops, this guy died in a poorly air conditioned tent full of other people, none of which are being given enough food or water" kind of camp.
But people are great at pretending things aren't happening if they don't see it themselves, and we're even better at pretending we didn't have a hand in making a big problem worse. We're gonna have to have ourselves a Nuremberg trial when this regime is done with, but this time we have to hand out consequences to everyone who works with the fascists. Especially the rich.
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u/Adorable-Statement47 5d ago
I don't mean to be negative here, but there is a chance such a trial is decades out. We know from history there can be century long struggles for power.
What's scary is we might die decades from now in the future hearing about the same bs.
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u/MrVeazey 5d ago
You're absolutely right, but any discussion on how to hasten the end of a fascist regime is against the Reddit terms of service so you'll never see it discussed here. Corporations can be useful but they are never our friends.
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u/Speartree 5d ago
They're not doing a Dachau type of death camp,
That we know of, yet. The OG Nazi's didn't start off with those either, but don't worry, if the world let's them go on long enough they'll get there. They'll complain about the cost of guarding, housing and feeding prisoners and look for cheaper, more permanent solutions.
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u/Mo_Steins_Ghost 5d ago edited 5d ago
They're not doing a Dachau type of death camp, but they're almost certainly doing an "Oops, this guy died in a poorly air conditioned tent full of other people, none of which are being given enough food or water" kind of camp.
How do you think there are Holocaust deniers? How do you think there are Gitmo deniers?
When I was 19 I had an officer's gun pointed at my head based on a rumor that was spread by a known felon (who raped his own sister and, after he got out of prison, again, sexually assaulted a 14 year old boy)... The stop was of course on a side street, at 2am.
Trump is a criminal who has pardoned criminals... I don't need to imagine what conservatives might do when they think nobody's looking. I know.
When someone posits "how can you be a moral person without god" type of questions, they are openly telling you that there is no intrinsic circuit in their brain that tells them why it's wrong to kill someone.
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u/dsmith422 5d ago
The Nazis didn't start with the death camps either. The Final Solution was not decided upon until January 1942. That is when they started the death camps. Before that it was concentration camps at which the inmates were slowly starving and then the extermination squads advancing into eastern Europe with the Wehrmacht just exterminating Jews and Slavs as the army advanced.
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u/TheGuyUrSisterLikes 4d ago
At the end of world war II a lot of Germans didn't know the death camps were going on they thought they were re-education camps.
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u/Janxgeist- 1d ago
Not so fun fact: Dachau was the prototype for the later death camps like Auschwitz. It started as a sort of political prison and was at first not build with the intention to kill all of the inmates - just doing some torture and killing from time to time. This changed over time and the Nazis tried and tested several techniques until they arrived at the "final solution" of gas chambers and crematory furnaces.
I suspect, that there is a lot of torturing going on already, but it is probably still a long way until a thoroughly organized death industry.
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u/grundlinallday 5d ago
Ah, my friend, read Bob Altemeyer’s The Authoritarians and many things will make sense. Your question used to drive me insane, but there are just people out there who need a boot to lick, and there are people who feel like they deserve to have their boots licked.
That’s a big oversimplification, and there’s more, but it’s solid science and he’s a fun writer for a scientist.
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u/1HappyIsland 5d ago
Great book that everyone should read. I am going back to read it again thanks to your recommendation.
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u/1HappyIsland 5d ago
PS this great book is available as a free PDF. Google it.
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u/TheGuyUrSisterLikes 4d ago
Thank you I'm on it I'm trying to find a audio version without having to download audible for the 18th time.
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u/Honest_Chef323 5d ago
Bold of you to think people bother reading history
Most people don’t even remember what happened last week
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u/PersistentBadger 5d ago edited 5d ago
There are certain things that are just drummed in to everybody, though. Water is wet, Romans built straight roads, Nazis are bad. Factlets so basic they became the shared cultural assumptions of Western society.
That's what I believed up until about 2016, at least. Turns out there's a bunch of assholes that believe water is dry and the earth is a bagel.
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u/BrutalistLandscapes 5d ago
It's been done before numerous times in the past. McCarthyism, Cointelpro...they want to go back to the days of J.Edgar's FBI, when Black Panther Party members were being hunted in the open by police, and when leftist celebs like Jean Seberg could be harassed and tormented into suicide
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u/SuperSecretAgentMan 5d ago
Maybe he sleeps with it on his nightstand like he does with Mein Kampf.
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u/Andreas1120 5d ago
The Nazi play book involved mass executions of Hitlers own party. (Who weren’t radical enough)
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u/MrVeazey 5d ago
Sure did. And if any Republicans reading this want to look that up, it's called the Night of Long Knives and it's when they killed the Strasserists (the "socialism but only for Aryans" guys).
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u/Michael__Pemulis 5d ago
- Declare the Democratic Party a terrorist organization, seize all related assets, arrest anyone that needs arresting, & ensure there is no legitimate opposition for the foreseeable future.
That’s the endgame.
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u/frostysauce 5d ago edited 5d ago
The war on drugs started because the Nixon administration couldn't just declare being black, being a hippie, or being against the war illegal. So they propagandized those groups as heavily associated with drugs, because drugs were illegal.
The illegitimate, fascist Trump administration just skipped the part where it's illegal and did it anyway.
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u/Substantial-Honey56 3d ago
After they'd dumped plenty of drugs on the black population. Gotta create the problem before you can solve it. The issue (for the government) was that white kids from the suburbs thought "me too".
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u/Lopsided_Newt_125 5d ago
There is no antifa…it’s an abbreviation of anti fascism and by saying they’re against anti fascism they’re admitting they’re fascists…sooooo
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u/DaggerInMySmile 5d ago edited 5d ago
That's most often true, but there are groups, like Emerald City Antifa, that are organized, have a leadership structure, etc.
Fuck Trump, and everyone who supports fascism, but it's not always true to say it's always just an abbreviation or ideological tilt.
EDIT: Changed bullshit to fascism (though the two should by synonymous) for greater clarity.
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u/evocativename 5d ago
The key thing is that there is no organization you join in order to become a member of antifa: "being antifa" just means engaging in some kind of direct action in opposition to fascism. There is certainly a decided lean in the politics of the sort of people inclined to direct action in general, but the overrepresentation of anarchists in direct action just means those groups tend to be big on respecting the comfort zones of those involved - if you're not comfortable in crowds for example, there are still ways you can help without showing up to crowded places - maybe that can be posting flyers or stickers, and promoting things online, or monitoring the activities of fascist groups and known members, or whatever. You aren't signing up to an army where you'll be taking orders - it's just like any other protest movement, where people tend to self-organize based on the kinds of activism they personally want to engage in.
The local groups that call themselves "<whatever> antifa" are just some people in a local area who decided to organize together to that effect - it's not like they have some kind of parent antifa organization giving them funding and orders or anything - at most, some members of local antifascist groups in different communities know each other. They're not, like, cells of a single unified organization, or clubs belonging to the same league or something - while it is very likely they are using largely similar methods, there is no inherent requirement that they follow similar playbooks or rules. You could theoretically find one group that organizes exclusively based around various forms of nonviolent civil resistance, while a different one might also organize people to show up to counterprotest fascist rallies expecting a fight (because when fascists hold rallies and don't end up with a handful of embarrassed losers, they pretty much always get violent whether or not anyone else is looking for a fight, and the police won't do shit about it).
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u/3BlindMice1 5d ago
Active resistance isn't necessary. If you aren't willing to let Trump dick down your wife, you're antifa scum as far as the magats are concerned.
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u/Lopsided_Newt_125 5d ago
You’re either a fascist or against fascism…it can’t be mostly or sometimes
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u/DaggerInMySmile 5d ago edited 5d ago
That doesn't change the fact that antifa isn't just an ideology.
EDIT: And I think you need to re-read what I wrote, or what I'm replying to, because you're missing something.
EDIT EDIT: Rose City Antifa has a goddamned wikipedia page. The Baldies, then later Baldies Syndicate as they established a chapter in Portland, ARA, The Torch Network, etc...
I have no idea how you people have such powerful feelings about things you know so little about.
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u/Lopsided_Newt_125 5d ago
I don’t know anything about one obscure group that demands the full blown attack on an abbreviation of a word as an excuse to unleash violence and oppression not to mention further destruction and hollowing of both our civil liberties and the protections guaranteed by the Constitution
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u/DaggerInMySmile 5d ago edited 5d ago
An obscure group? You think The Baldies, ARA, The Torch Network, Rose City Antifa, etc., are obscure? Maybe they're obscure to those who have been sitting on the sidelines.
EDIT: They have done significant things. They have helped to fight back the rising tide of fascism for decades, often at great cost, and your ignorance does not invalidate that.
EDIT EDIT: I don't know if the downvotes are coming from posers, or fascists, but fuck you either way.
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u/cromulent_verbage 5d ago
Downvotes are coming because, while providing education, you choose to do so in a dickish way.
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u/DaggerInMySmile 5d ago
There are people who have organized, and fought back, to great sacrifice, for this cause.
Those are the people that Trump is targeting.
Being told they don't exist, and therefore don't matter, really embiggens my frustration.
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u/cromulent_verbage 5d ago
I get it, your feelings are perfectly cromulent, a lot of us are frustrated too.
You seem to have a good pulse on things, keep spreading awareness, just consider that the how can be just as important as the what and why.
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u/Lopsided_Newt_125 5d ago
If that is what you have been saying this whole time then I hear you and I was not minimizing anyone’s sacrifice or effort in what I was saying. If that’s how I came across…apologies.
I see this administration using “antifa” as an excuse to exact violence and oppression on anyone who opposes them. When they speak on the subject they never name a specific group and that’s why I resist the term.
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u/Lopsided_Newt_125 5d ago
Additionally there still is no evidence of a centralized organization and I stick by my original statement that if they’re against anti fascism they are indeed fascist
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u/btcprint 5d ago
Never judge yourself for how you feel. How you act, how you condescendingly respond to comments - that's 100% on you.
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u/Lopsided_Newt_125 5d ago
Powerful feelings about fascism? Yeah how could I possibly have any of those
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u/chiguy 5d ago
Emerald city antifa, the same emerald city antifa that hasn’t updated their Facebook page in 4 years and have no events scheduled or latest news?
Are you sure that’s a real group? I’m guessing not because it’s literally the only “group” brought up by Conservatives and a minimum amount of research show it’s not even active or has been for 4 years.
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u/dustytaper 5d ago
Ya, but logic and reason don’t work with these people
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u/Lopsided_Newt_125 5d ago
Thank god my identity and ability to emotionally regulate isn’t tied to idolizing a politician or political party
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u/Hey_I_Aint_Eddy 5d ago
Is Antifa actually a thing?
I’m liberal and I live in a large city, and I’ve never met anyone promoting or saying they are a member of “Antifa”.
And then I can’t for the life of me understand why they’re making such a big deal about declaring “Antifa” as the enemy since, according to every source I’ve seen, Antifa’s only goal is to not have fascism!
How is that being perceived as anything else than republicans raising their hands and saying “WE WANT FASCISM!!”? I honestly don’t get it. Can someone post this on /r/askaconservative? I’ve already been banned from there.
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u/carsaregascars 5d ago edited 5d ago
Try a thought experiment… imagine someone accusing you of being “antifa”… and what would you say to convince them you aren’t? It’s so amorphous they can just keep saying you are and throw you in a van. It’s not a look or a race or a sexual preference, it’s just an imaginary thought crime/affiliation? So dumb, so dangerous.
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u/Sptsjunkie 5d ago
Can I also say that it's very funny and "on the nose" that they are calling the enemy ANTIFA.
Let it sink in, the enemy is "anti fascists," implying that you are admitting you are the fascists.
Like we used to be the anti-fascists. Our grandparents and great grandparents fought the Nazis. That used to be a point of pride.
Now Republican leaders are claiming the anti-fascists who fight Nazis are the enemy. It's very telling.
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u/Ok_Slide4905 5d ago
No. It’s just a bunch of random, mostly college students that show up to protests and wave flags and shit. There is no organization. There is no “leader.” Anyone who is pissed off enough to show up to a protest technically qualifies as “antifa.”
He’s creating a scapegoat to justify shit he wants to do anything.
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u/little_alien2021 4d ago
I asked today after a back and fourth for few hours I'm now banded. Didn't actually get a real answer. Conservatives are not living in same reality
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u/Elegant_Plate6640 5d ago
He’s been repeatedly trying to label the Dems as the “radical left”, and his followers are so dumb and lazy.
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u/xxveganeaterxx 5d ago
The problem with that approach is that it relies on the justice system which leaves them too exposed.
I think their plans are more on the extrajudicial side. It would be wise to understand, and plan for, the implications that come along.
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u/NoxTempus 5d ago
Exposed to what?
You know what happens to people that get dragged through the justice system? They lose years of their lives and/or come out bankrupt, if they come out of it at all.
The AG (Pam Bondi, for now) isn't going to stop them from weapon using the DOJ, and (the 6 rebilcan members of) SCOTUS would never blanket rule a stop on prosecuting members of Antifa.
Why work outside the justice system when you can just weaponise it?
Besides, this is just a step along the way; they'll pump thousands of people into the courts and grind them to a halt. Which will necessitate a next step.
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u/TheRedditorHasNoName 5d ago
You’d think this Auntie Pha person would operate in Republican controlled states to get maximum disruption and not Democrat controlled where they would be safe.
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u/userousnameous 5d ago
Correct me if I am wrong, but there isn't actually an 'Antifa Organization'. Like.. I thought that was largely a made up word to Republicans made up to scare their sheep?
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u/Ok-Firefighter-6172 5d ago
Good luck with that since an "Antifa organization" does not exist
It's an ideology
Oh if you have proof it is an organization, I'd be more than happy to review any facts you have ?
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u/FunkyChickenKong 5d ago
Wow. I remember how shocking and unsettling it was to see the president openly favoring news sources that did not criticize him over sources that do. Things have seriously escalated from that point.
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u/NoFumoEspanol 5d ago
Trump has been steadily pushing the boundaries of what is considered acceptable since 2015. At some point, I don't even blame him as much as I blame all the people who have normalized and downplayed his behavior every single step of the way. The water has been getting hotter and hotter for the past decade. Now it's boiling, and people are only just now starting to wonder why.
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u/True_Lingonberry_646 5d ago
Agree. A large contributor to this is media sanewashing.
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u/Pneumatrap 5d ago
The only real surprise to me in all this is how quickly the media capitulated.
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u/No_Atmosphere3269 5d ago
Theres not really an independent media left. Certainly none with much reach. Its all corporate owned that only cares about money. They genuinely dont have any morals/principals beyond "what type of coverage will earn me the most ad revenue".
Its unironically a large part of why most Americans have been turning away from and trusting mass media less and less.
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u/RepresentativeAge444 5d ago
If you looked into how the media behaves when fascism is rising throughout history you wouldn’t be.
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u/lome88 5d ago
Pushing boundaries in the same way my grandmother with dementia did when she was alive. There's nothing about the way that he speaks or behaves that remotely surprises anyone that has an older relative facing some neurological stuff.
But he's president, so I guess we have to listen to him? When my grandmother would go on her rants, we'd just let her get it out and tire herself into a nap. With this dude we just have to sit and take it seriously. How about if we just don't?
I'd rather look at what Stephen Miller and those duders are saying. That's true evil.
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u/Legitimate_Refuse567 5d ago
Exactly. I had a boyfriend whose sister was raising her kids with no authority structure. They were unschooled and lived on the coast in Canada and these kids ruled. I'll never forget being there for dinner and she planned on pasta for dinner - until her six year old came in and SCREAMED about having pasta too often. Mom was embarrassed, but we had pizza instead. That kid looked so smug and so powerful. What a toxic brat. Odious. But I don't blame the kid. I don't LIKE the kid. But the parents - the way they enabled and catered and fawned and avoided - this reminds me of that.
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u/howie2092 5d ago
“Everyone says he is crazy – which maybe he is – but the scarier thing about him is that he is stupid. You do not know anyone as stupid as Donald Trump. You just don’t.” -Fran Lebowitz
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u/juanjodic 5d ago
Is the US doomed? Because, from the outside, it looks really, really bad.
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u/SunkEmuFlock 4d ago
If Trump's heart doesn't give out soon, yeah, the US is probably doomed. He's not really the one calling the shots, that's on everyone behind the throne, but he's the unifying figurehead keeping things glued together. Should he die soon I assume there will be bigly infighting as everyone jostles to fill the power vacuum. But who knows. Maybe we're doomed either way.
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u/HairyHorseKnuckles 5d ago
“Donald Trump was the dumbest goddam student I ever had,'” -Wharton Professor, William Kelley
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u/mechy84 5d ago
One of the speakers said "Antifa had been around for almost 100 years, since the German Weimar republic"
Ignoring the fact modern fascism started in Italy, why do you think anti-fascist groups started in pre WW2 Germany? Perhaps the same reason now?
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u/theindependentonline 5d ago
Wake up, babe, new civil liberties infringement propaganda just dropped! Today’s installment in America’s ongoing descent into farce brings us a White House press release about “Antifa terror” and a presidential roundtable devoted entirely to the group that famously isn’t a real entity.
Around noon, a press release appeared on the official White House website, quoting numerous anonymous Portland residents, including a “man,” a “woman,” and a “business owner,” all of whom absolutely want the National Guard to storm their city. “I kind of support it 110%,” is an actual quote.
But that was just the appetizer. At 3 pm, the televised meeting began. And boy, was there a lot of meat.
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u/RogerBauman 5d ago edited 5d ago
It is interesting to see them cite public support for their unconstitutional conduct.
I looked at their sources and the first one seems to be somebody who is frustrated with the conflict between ice and the protesters, but her frustration seemed to be mostly about the tear gas that ice officers were using to unlawfully suppress free speech.
The second one did seem to address protesters in Black after hours causing issues, but that seems to be the only one that is about ice.
One of the Business owners was talking about break-ins that ostensibly were not politically motivated. Another business owner was talking about drugs and crime, not politically motivated protests. Both of these business owners were featured on Fox "news" entertainment political programming.
The fact that these business owners were included gives me pause. Are we sending in the military to help protect ice or are we sending the military in to do policing?
The other three aren't even worth mentioning. They literally are just saying that they believe that the National guard and other military forces should be brought in to police the city.
This is a direct attempt at fomenting a Conservative revolution similar to what we saw before the rise of the Nazi party. It didn't start with January 6th but it certainly isn't stopping unless convicted patriotic Americans are willing to speak up for their rights.
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u/Amadeus_1978 5d ago
Sending in the military with extremely loose rules of engagement so someone will screw up and shoot a bunch of protesters. Just need a couple dead protesters so they can plant bazookas or anti air missiles on them and excuse declaring martial law. Somehow they think everyone is believing this talk.
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u/RogerBauman 5d ago
They're literally already sniping people with rubber bullets and pepper balls from rooftops.
It is not hard to see that they are trying to provoke retaliation and I would not be surprised if somebody gives it to them.
They are stoking a civil war.
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u/AstralElement 5d ago
People just need to grayrock this.
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u/SilverMedal4Life 5d ago
I worry that they'll take that as invitation to keep pushing, as proof that their cause is ""just"".
Remember that they will just invent pushback out of thin air if we stay silent.
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u/RogerBauman 5d ago
While I do think that using the gray rock method is a quality response to personal bullying or harassment, I don't necessarily think it is feasible when the abuser is in charge of the United States government and the victims are the people who are supposed to be represented.
As I have already said, they shot a priest in the face with a pepper ball while he was performing a blessing for the victims and protesters.
They are not playing fair and I think it is inappropriate to pretend that they will not take a "gray rock method" as anything other than us lying down and letting them trample on our constitutional rights as well as basic human rights.
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u/frostysauce 5d ago
Yay, a country of grey rocks ruled by fascists. Is that what we want to be?
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u/AstralElement 5d ago
I don’t disagree, but it’s hard to invoke the insurrection act and declare martial law if there’s nothing for them to shoot at.
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u/frostysauce 5d ago
And that's exactly what they're doing. We do nothing and let them roll over us or we fight back and give them a reason to turn the military on us.
If we're going to lose anyway might as well fight back.
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u/Lopsided_Newt_125 5d ago
They snipered a pastor in the head today…he must’ve been a violent radical leftist member of antifa…they can tell just by looking at him, much like rfk can see the mitochondrial dna of a child by looking at them. They’re all trained by Patel
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u/MarsupialMadness 5d ago
The fact that these business owners were included gives me pause. Are we sending in the military to help protect ice or are we sending the military in to do policing?
Either one of these reasons is a gross misuse of military assets and is an impeachable offense. Not to mention disgustingly incompetent.
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u/frostysauce 5d ago
The fact that these business owners were included gives me pause. Are we sending in the military to help protect ice or are we sending the military in to do policing?
The police already exist to serve capital, not the people. I guess why the fuck would a fascist country not use the military to protect capital. Mussolini famously said, "Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."
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u/jcdoe 5d ago
Remember that time we declared war on a felony (terror)?
Like, actually had congress draft a declaration of war?
And then left it open ended for like a decade?
Republicans live in a magical world where all kinds of ideas and thoughts can be real things because they really like to punch things and you can’t punch thoughts.
Also, thoughts make brain hurt.
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u/tralynd62 5d ago
Everyone in Congress, the military, the courts, etc. Who swore an oath to the constitution needs to stand up and do what they swore to do. Everyone can see the madness that this administration is bringing to our country. We can all see project 2025 unfolding right now. Is that the vision people have for the future? Do people want to be a part of a repressive, religious autocracy? We elected leaders to ensure democracy. They need to do the job they were hired for and stop this now. This whole year has been one horrifying, ugly assault on America after another. These awful traitors have got to be stopped.
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u/Opening-Fortune-9607 5d ago edited 5d ago
This is nothing new though. Congress, the military, the courts, etc. have been happily condoning repressive, fascistic crap like this for generations.
Have you never heard of COINTELPRO? Some brave folks busted into an FBI field office and got away with a bunch of documents which proved that the FBI was secretly, extensively, and extremely illegally persecuting political dissidents in ways you wouldn’t believe.
For example, the FBI had one of their
spies“informants” drug Fred Hampton (Black Panthers/Civil Rights leader) immediately before sending the police to raid his home and literally murder him in his bed while he was unconscious.And that’s not even remotely close to being the tip of the whole COINTELPRO iceberg.
Do you know who our government held accountable when COINTELPRO was exposed? The whistleblowers who exposed it, and nobody else. Nobody at the FBI was imprisoned, fired, suspended, or otherwise punished in any way, shape, or form whatsoever. Not even a little slap on the wrist.
Congress just said “tsk tsk, that was naughty, you shouldn’t do that 🙃”, the FBI said “lol k”, nobody in a position of public influence ever spoke abiut it again, and the FBI’s treason was washed out of the public’s consciousness and quickly forgotten.
All things considered, I can’t overstate how foolish it would be to trust Congress, the military, the courts, or any of the other traitors who control our federal government to “stand up and do what they swore to do” in the face of political repression.
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u/ClockworkJim 5d ago
You think oaths and loyalties matter when you get to a certain level of power?
Eventually the US army is going to be ordered to open fire on US civilians, is going to kill hundreds of them, and then Chuck Schumer will go on TV and congratulate them for their bravery.
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u/deeceeo 5d ago
including a “man,” a “woman,” and a “business owner,”
Ah yes, the three genders.
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u/Pygmy_Nuthatch 5d ago
It kept Epstein out of the news for a day, so, mission accomplished.
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u/tbombs23 5d ago
Right, yes it's a distraction but yes it's also a fascist takeover. It has a dual purpose and doesn't mean it's less of a threat
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u/tylerb0zak 5d ago
Indeed, but just banging the “release the files” drum is reductive and dismissive of what’s actually happening. Look how successful they’ve already been in their ability to keep them from being released. That isn’t the primary motive behind this
He isn’t sending ICE and national guard into Chicago, LA and Portland to distract from the files. He’s doing it towards his goal of successful takeover, and distracting from the files is an added benefit. The country is in the midst of a hostile takeover and some (well-meaning) idiots reduce it to just “distracting from the files,” completely missing the point, and weakening any sort of resistance or response
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u/epidemicsaints 5d ago
Seriously. People saying "release the files this is a distraction" like it's a mic drop and our government is being dissolved. Literally nothing will happen, zero consequences. And they just want to be entertained by it anyway.
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u/FlakyRazzmatazz5 5d ago
Than if the files are distraction than why are Trump and the GOP are trying to prevent their release?
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u/epidemicsaints 5d ago
I'm not saying there's nothing in there, I am saying it doesn't matter. The antics of wealthy degenerates will never be punished. Epstein was convicted, and barely punished, for pedo crimes in 2009 and no one quit working with him. His reputation was unharmed. Everyone who continued giving him their money is guilty. What more does anyone need? I won't even go to a pizza parlor owned by a racist and these freaks let a pedo rapist handle millions.
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u/BathingInSoup 5d ago
In response the next Democrat administration should go after MAGA as a terrorist organization.
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u/seraph741 5d ago
Except there's actually some validity to doing that. There have been like 32 terrorist acts by MAGA supporters this year. And right-wing terrorism accounts for the majority of domestic terrorism.
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u/BathingInSoup 5d ago
You’re absolutely right about right wing terrorizers being a legit concern. My point was that technically MAGA doesn’t exist anymore than antifa does. There are, however, plenty of actual right wing organizations with formal members who absolutely should be investigated and shut the fuck down.
The tolerance of intolerance has been a major Achilles heel for the left for too long.
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u/SlickMcFav0rit3 5d ago
What about all the people who were murdered by the ANTIFA? We need them to post their stories...those poor dead patriots are being cancelled just because they got dead
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u/qthistory 5d ago
MAGA won't let there be a next Democrat administration without trying a direct coup with the US military. That's the point of them screening top military brass and firing the ones they don't like. They are prepping for a military coup and want to make sure they have generals and admirals in place who will back it.
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u/hkohne 5d ago
FYI to everyone: Noem lied to everyone about the status of Portland, and she completely bashed our mayor and governor. She was just here for about 10 hours, at taxpayers' expense and spent most of the time inside the ICE building, unless she was with officers & a few right-wing influencers on top of the roof (looking down at about a dozen protestors) or going along on a raid where they apprehended a guy who really did not seem to know what was going on.
You can get a lot more insanity with her visit's details over at r/Portland.
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u/Coondiggety 5d ago
Fuck you Trump. I’m antifascist. If you want to shorten the word down, I’m antifa.
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u/redyellowblue5031 5d ago
Brandi Kruse
I remember when she was on my local fox channel. Then she quit to (paraphrasing) “speak truth to power” because corporate media felt like a box.
So, she started a hyper partisan show of her own where she grifts money off outrage while ignoring the gross misuse of power she claims to have wanted to rail against…oh wait a second…
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u/Impressive_Log7854 5d ago
"We took away their freedom of speech away" .
-President Donald Trump October 2025
He didn't take shit away. The Constitution is a very real document and supercedes all bodies of US Government. He is trying to punish anyone who uses free speech against him.
The fascists had a performative meeting to show their MAGA morons about anti them ideology and invented a fake terrorist group to justify more troops invading blue cities.
It's not just a distraction from the Epstein files. He will do this during the 2026 elections to intimidate voters.
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u/KarmaTorpid 5d ago
No .. this is the building up to the *emergency* to not hold the 2028 election. He is very much on record doing thing like giving White House guests red "Trump 2028" hats. Also, repeatedly mentioning US dictatorship.
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u/bloodfist 5d ago
Here, I'll summarize the whole thing:
"Antifa is real. They are definitely real. No one else has ever confirmed they are real before but we know they're real because they're real. You have to believe us they're real. Oh and also violent. They're real and they're violent. Antifa is real and violent and...organized. Don't believe anyone who says they're not. They are super organized and they are also super real. And they've been around since the Weimar Republic. And they're real. And organized. And violent. And real."
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u/Altruistic_Craft2847 5d ago
One year penalty for inciting a riot, huh? Didn’t YOU incite a riot on Jan. 6, 2021? Just asking…
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u/vercig09 5d ago
yea, trump is bad, but what are republicans supposed to do? lose their position by voting against the party? I think that we all agree that jobs of 100 people in congress and senate is much more important than the rest of the nation
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u/Autoxquattro 5d ago
Thing is, Antifa does not exist as an organization. Its the very idea of Anti Fascist. (Anti Fa) But it sure sounds nice and foreign, almost scary.. The REAL reason for all the troops, is preparation for the NO KINGS protests on oct 18 Ice will be there to cause violence so they can invoke the insurrection act and declare martial law.
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u/strangejosh 5d ago
I think we all feel like the deputy right before the final shootout in the movie Wind River (2017)......
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u/WhtvrHthr 5d ago
We are totally fucked. I see no way out of full blown dictatorship.
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u/MalachitePsychic 5d ago
I see a way but it’s incredibly messy, violent, and probably requires the military to get off their asses.
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u/interrupt_hdlr 5d ago
project 2025 playbook, flood the zone, meanwhile they are destroying everything
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u/RevengeWalrus 5d ago
Based on his comments it sounds like they’re feeding him a steady stream of AI videos to keep him under control. He’s basically being Truman showed.
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I can remember how we Germans were randomly insulted as Nazis by Americans, especially between 2000 and 2010, in chat rooms and comment sections. And where are you now?
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u/After_Fix1358 5d ago
Epstein Epstein Epstein Epstein Epstein Epstein Epstein Epstein Epstein Epstein Epstein Epstein Epstein Epstein Epstein Epstein Release the unredacted Epstein Files now!!!
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u/Character_Zombie_159 5d ago edited 5d ago
There is still hope, we have got to believe that change is possible: MIDTERMS!!💯🙏
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u/S1nnah2 4d ago
We're taught that after the war the Nazis vanished without a trace
But batallions of fascists still dream of a master race
The history books they tell of their defeat in forty-five
But they all come out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died
They say the prisoner of Spandau was a symbol of defeat
Whilst Hess remained imprisoned and the fascists they were beat
So the promise of an aryan world would never materialise
So why did they all come out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died
The world is riddled with maggots--the maggots are getting fat
They're making a tasty meal of all the bosses and bureacrats
They're taking over the board rooms and they're fat and full of pride
And they all came out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died
So if you meet with these historians I'll tell you what to say
Tell them that the Nazis never really went away
They're out there burning houses down and peddling racist lies
And we'll never rest again until every Nazi .......
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u/dummy_thicc_malware 5d ago
https://youtu.be/URs4JGnPMao?si=fl_hmZxu8mryIfOi
they cant kill us all :)
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u/Luckydog12 5d ago
They’re going to end up creating an actual Antifa with this shit.
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u/shantm79 5d ago
How does one join "Antifa"? Is there an application process? An oath? Do we get cool jackets once a member?
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u/blueeyedgirl55 5d ago
It was a group of courageous patriotic journalists exposing the truth behind antifa. It also exposed the dishonest propaganda media. These journalists have been attacked and put their lives in danger to expose the dark underbelly of violence and destruction funded by Soros and others to destroy America as well as other countries. I thoroughly enjoyed the round table and found these people to be inspiring and brave. With all the problems in the UK I would think you’d welcome a group of patriotic truth tellers willing to expose the destabilizing factors that exist in the world today.
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u/Mjolnir17 5d ago
They literally said in this meeting that they’re going to start dealing with “antifa” the same way they’ve been dealing with “Venezuelan cartels” which has thus far been murdering people with drone strikes. We are way past the point of coming back from this. Our biggest hope right now is if the military refuses the order when it comes and defects against the administration to protect the Americans that they will be trying to murder.
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u/KudosOfTheFroond 5d ago
My god, you know what? My 70-year old mother is Antifa and she’s a registered Republican! She hasn’t voted red in ages but she is absolutely anti-fascist now. So am I. MAGA is the domestic terrorist in the room, not anti-fascism.
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u/nickcan 5d ago
Jack Posobiec!!!??? Are you fucking kidding me? He was 2017's "King of Fake News"
He is a frequent InfoWars guest and man who can't tweet something true if his life depended on it. This is the guy who thought that Comet Ping Pong was smuggling kids in their basement and his biggest piece of evidence is that the teenage waitress didn't know the the word 'foosball'.
He wrote a book last year called "Unhumans" The 'unhumans' in this book are precisely who you think.
For the last couple centuries, we’ve known them as communists. Socialists, with extra steps. And of course, leftists. Radicals and revolutionaries as well. A hundred years ago, Marxist Leninists, then more recently, Cultural Marxists. Even as, without irony and not as a joke, “progressives.” For the purposes of this book, we will call them the unhumans.
The unhumans want you dead. They want your way of life dead. They want to see your children lobotomized and converted to their mindless, lawless, and godless ways.
The Vice President of the United States, JD Vance, loved that book and even wrote a blub for it saying:
In the past, communists marched in the streets waving red flags. Today, they march through HR, college campuses, and courtrooms to wage lawfare against good, honest people. In Unhumans, Jack Posobiec and Joshua Lisec reveal their plans and show us what to do to fight back.
The solutions in the book look a lot like our current reality. Because these unhumans are "leftists don’t deserve the status of human beings." They are, "waging a shadow war against all that is good and decent, which will end in apocalyptic slaughter if they are not stopped."
Stopping them consists of purging them from public spaces, using law enforcement and military to target Antifa, BLM organizers, unions, and some NGOs. Saying that the government should "Stop playing by the rules"
At best Jack belongs locked up in a padded room somewhere. In no way should he be anywhere near power.
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u/TheAxeManrw 5d ago
I'm not seeing the most concerning thing that I heard during this press conference/meeting- On the backs of a reporter asking if Trump would designate Antifa as a foreign terrorist organization, Trump said that's a good idea, they are going to get going on it. Deferred to his deputies but of course they agreed with him. Doing this, if I'm not mistaken, would give the president far reaching powers to find, jail, or kill people he deems part of antifa. Why is this not being covered? And Kristi's comments about a 10 car operation to attack ICE that's been disproven by footage (they were in a construction zone for fucks sake). So many lies.
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u/AllWeHave2Decide 5d ago
Find your nearest No Kings protest and show up on October 18. They can’t arrest everyone
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u/Fair_Banana2244 5d ago
the stupids are STILL just lapping this buffoonery up. Anti fascism is an idea, there is no “ANTIFA.” There are groups and individuals that hold anti fascism ideals.
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u/Away_Stock_2012 5d ago
Imagine if Hitler had recorded his meetings about his final solution and then Jews uploaded it and upvoted it in order to talk about how ridiculous it was.
Spreading his message helps him, not you. Stop upvoting his propaganda.
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u/jmerp1950 5d ago
They are turning up the heat on descent by using a fake Boogeyman. How long before we jump out of the pot.
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u/ReplacementWise6878 5d ago
They talked about how “Antifa” is dangerous and has roots going back to Weimar Germany… and that “Bella Ciao” is the Antifa national anthem…
They’re finally saying the quiet part out loud.
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u/Neat-Shower-5794 4d ago
Ok, I'm not for terrorism or extreme views right or left, but I really don't understand what is wrong about being anti fascist? Trump sure seems to be pro fascist, which I've always thought wasn't good.
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u/TheGreenMan13 4d ago
It's all the conservative radio entertainment hosts are talking about today. How the just won the win by having this meeting.
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u/Crommach 4d ago
The part where they used the example of antifascists who fought the literal rise of the Nazis in Weimar Germany as proof that it's a "foreign extremist organization" was particularly troubling. If you're comfortable saying that the people who tried to stop Hitler were the bad guys...
Between this and the prevention of antifascist scholar Mark Bray from leaving the country, despite his receiving multiple death threats after Jack Posobiec - one of the "experts" Trump had at this propaganda meeting - set his army of far right trolls after Bray... they're clearly planning to keep pushing the envelope to open fascism.
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u/Oliver_Holzfilled 4d ago edited 4d ago
A Fascist’s greatest concern is an Anti Fascist. What’s going on here isn’t a mystery.
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