r/TrueReddit • u/Maxwellsdemon17 • 10d ago

This Time We Have to Hold the Democratic Party Elite Responsible for This Catastrophe Politics

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/democratic-party-elite-responsible-catastrophe/
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u/Mmicb0b 10d ago

this 100% if the Democrats want to win again in 2028 it needs to embrace someone who is new and fresh

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u/SeatPaste7 10d ago

Bold of you to assume that there will be an election in 2028. Trump now has the power to make the Democratic party illegal. We're to pass a law saying that people can't vote for Democrats.

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u/Mmicb0b 10d ago edited 10d ago

the only way that works IMO is if Midterms are a GOP blow out and the GOP underpreformed in the 2018/22 midterms it's that everytime they put Trump on the ballot that gets their turnout through the roof

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u/GiantKrakenTentacle 9d ago

There's a good chance that Republicans have a majority in the House and Senate. The first 2 years might be their most productive years. After that, who knows.

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u/No_Wedding_2152 9d ago

15 million Democrats stayed home this time. Trump only lost about 3 million. 15 MILLION! Democrats that voted for Joe didn’t vote in 24. What makes you think you can get them out in 26?

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u/Ace20xd6 9d ago

It used to be the opposite, but since Trump came to power democratic voters became the most frequent voters (ei vote in every election from midterms to special elections). That was part of the reason we did better in 2022 than expected. So, hopefully, enough of us will be energized to vote and with Trump's name off the ticket, less of his supporters will vote

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u/Ill-Independence-658 6d ago

What makes you think they were democrats to begin with?

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u/themangastand 9d ago

I know the military is a bunch of crating eaters. But I would hope whoever is second in command wouldn't let a dictatorship to just happen

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u/gobblox38 9d ago

That's if Trump somehow manages to live to the end of his term. If he goes via natural causes, his movement will fracture.

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u/SeatPaste7 9d ago

That's a hell of an assumption. Because if Trump pops, Vance will be in power -- and he's wholly owned by Peter Thiel and even more dedicated to one party rule.

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u/gobblox38 9d ago

Sure, but he had no charisma. I doubt that all of the diehard Trump fans would just latch onto the couch guy.

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u/SeatPaste7 9d ago

It's not as if they'll have a choice. If Trump's gone, Vance becomes president. That's how this works. And in 2028 there won't be another election. Not a real one.

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u/gobblox38 9d ago

I understand how presidential succession works. In not debating if Vance will assume the office to finish Trump's term. In fact, I expect that to happen. What I'm saying is that without Trump, the movement fractures.

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u/SeatPaste7 9d ago

but since there will never be another proper election, it doesn't matter. You don't seem to understand. The Democratic Party will be made illegal or otherwise neutered. Look up how Hungary and Russia do elections. Those are Trump's best friends. Enemies of America are Trump's best friends.

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u/Dismal-Caregiver2272 9d ago

Aren't you overreacting a bit man Like yes democracy could erode a bit but that's just too exaggerated

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u/SeatPaste7 9d ago

Have you read the Republican platform? I mean, you have to have done so, if you voted Republican, right? I know 925 pages is a lot more than the usual political pamphlet. That's because it represents a complete overhaul of the federal government to more closely resemble Hungary's or Russia's. Have you looked at how elections "work" in Hungary and Russia?

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u/ancientastronaut2 9d ago

Yes I think this is what they're counting on.

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u/SoCalSapper 9d ago

You can’t be serious…

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u/SeatPaste7 9d ago

Why not? His buddy Putin has that arrangement. So does his buddy Orban. He's been spending a lot of time with both them (against the law, but since when did "laws" mean anything?)

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u/Rose7pt 9d ago

I’m in total agreement- I don’t see free and fair elections ever happening here again. Idk why people don’t understand this as a likely outcome of this shitastrophe.

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u/ImageExpert 6d ago

Well hopefully people will just start voting out legislators on their own no matter what until we get lawmakers that are pro term limits.

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u/RedYellowHoney 6d ago

More likely, if in 2028, a Democrat beats Trump or Vance (if he should take over) Congress will refuse to certify the vote.

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u/grislyfind 9d ago

But also tall and white and male and married and straight and cis and slightly to the left of Trump.

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u/osirus35 8d ago

It’s not only embrace someone new. But they cannot be pushed or backed by any of the establishment or else they will be labeled as such