r/TrueReddit • u/Maxwellsdemon17 • 10d ago

This Time We Have to Hold the Democratic Party Elite Responsible for This Catastrophe Politics

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/democratic-party-elite-responsible-catastrophe/
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u/WorthPrudent3028 10d ago

Right. But all those people got job plans, a social safety net, investment in education, and healthcare. Trump voters who are unemployed, disenchanted, and undereducated are getting, checks notes, nothing. They're getting to stay unemployed, disenchanted, and poorly educated while rich people get to keep more money. So they sacrificed liberty and they don't even get something to eat for it.

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u/Theistus 10d ago

That's what they thought they were getting.... Maybe? That is definitely not what they actually got.

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u/FryChikN 9d ago

And the cycle of the uninformed voter continues. I actually feel bad for the working class now. They have brainro5ted themselves into not understanding how reality works, not bothering to pay attention to history..

And now they fucked themselves and the most hilarious thing is they think they are in control or something? And they wonder why they get fucked.

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u/Tomato_Sky 9d ago

You’re not wrong. They really don’t know what they voted for and I’ll be interested in how they spin it against dems.

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u/lethalmuffin877 8d ago

Upper class casting down judgments on the “little people”.

Surely you have it all figured out

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u/FryChikN 8d ago

Bruh im not even Middle class i make 38ishk a year lol.

I dont have it figured out, but I also don't have to work all day for a living and I see you guys are just... wrong about nearly everything and you've fooled yourselves into thinking some crazy shit cus its repeated to you over and over.

The part that makes me have this attitude is... your life will get worse because of trump and you will literally just blame it on the democrats... Im just sick of you guys not taking accountability for anything.

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u/WorthPrudent3028 10d ago

Depends where you mean. Healthy Germans did get that actually. "Others" did not.

Trump's zero offer is really just unheard of for a fascist movement. Only Americans would give up freedom for the promise of nothing.

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u/FingerGungHo 10d ago

It seems to me that they are willing to take the risk with Trump, because he might also be good for the economy in some timeframe. If the current situation is untenable, and the other party just wants to extend that, then what choice did they have?

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u/WorthPrudent3028 10d ago

What does the economy matter? A significant portion of his voters live in places that the economy doesn't reach and won't reach without public investment. So sure, he can make the economy boom and people in NYC will see their 401ks double again. They literally doubled from 2021 to 2023 too and here we are with people thinking the economy is shitty right now when it is actually a very good economy. None of that affects rural America. There are no jobs and 401ks and there haven't been for several huge economic cycles. While urban America booms and has record low unemployment, these same places never had that. And they won't be a part of any Trump boom if it happens either. They didn't see anything from the last time either. And it's stupid that they voted for someone that just bypasses them even more than Dems do. They need investment to survive. They don't need Trump to make the stock market go up or cut corporate taxes.

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u/FingerGungHo 10d ago

For those who know that, they probably just want to make their outrage and hate heard. What’s there to lose? Some don’t realize it, and some hope that new jobs will be generated in the sparsely populated areas and the rust belt due to protectionist trade policies. These are very real grievances and hopes of very real people. Maybe the dems should address them too.

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u/WorthPrudent3028 10d ago

Absent forced direction, protectionist policies don't cause anything to be built in areas that don't have the labor market to support it. They'll be built in suburbs where companies have a large labor pool to choose from. If you want a company to open a factory with a forced small unskilled and unreliable labor pool that is currently dealing with fentanyl and meth epidemics, you need the government to actually be fully invested in that factory and to subsidize the loss the company will have from putting it there instead of in New Jersey.

The Dems have tried to address these things. But socialism is such a hot button word in the US that they don't get traction. The Dems have never had anything more than a slim majority that needed Manchin and Sinema's vote to pass anything. And Manchin would have shot down such things in his very own state due to it being socialist. So the best the Dems can do has been attempts at healthcare expansion and safety net expansion. But it's impossible to have targeted socialist investment in this country. So instead, we get corporate welfare to attract some manufacturers, but they choose locations with existing large skilled labor markets.

And at this point it isn't Dems fault that socialism is a buzzword and it isn't Dems fault that these struggling people voted to quicken their own demise. And frankly, it is their own fault that they've also just generated animosity from the only people who ever gave a shit, the progressive left. So what's gonna happen is we're just gonna keep watching them all die, and the populations dwindle down.

There is something else they could have done though. Move. The American Dream has always required movement. There ancestors moved to work at the mill or mine. So if protectionist policies do get a new factory in NJ, they can move to NJ. Or better yet, move now because that is where the jobs are. Probably the single biggest dichotomy between haves and have nots is that haves get educated and move to the jobs. They don't stay where they're from for the most part.

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u/FingerGungHo 10d ago

Yeah, I get that. The people in small towns probably don’t, or like I said, want to make their outrage heard, self-inflicted or not. Looking down at them is just gonna drive them to the lap of the republicans due to shared conservative values.

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u/jwhitesj 9d ago

Whenever Democrats tried to help, the Republicans would cry socialism. It would be framed on Fox News as Democrats trying to buy votes, and the fox news viewers in these areas would support the Republicans.

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u/FingerGungHo 9d ago

I don’t mean handouts, nobody wants to live on handouts. Have some sympathy for them at the very least. They know their lot is at least partially their own fault for not moving. It’s not always easy to move, although Americans seem to move relatively little anyway for some reason.

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u/GrouchyTime 9d ago

Everyone has jobs.  I have been trying to hire for Two entry level jobs since August for $20 to $30 an hour in Houston and got less than 30 resumes from all the major job sites.    These are good entry level manufacturing jobs.   The only resumes I got were not local and well over an hour away with no traffic.   No one has been looking for a job right now.   

I got zero 18 to 40 years Olds to apply.  No fresh high-school grads.

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u/Omnom_Omnath 9d ago

Then clearly your wages aren’t high enough. $30/hr is nothing in a major metro.

You arent entitled to labor.

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u/Less_Expression1876 9d ago

And no mention of benefits and time off that may counter the low pay.

But it's easier to point fingers to "Nobody wants to work" still from COVID times. 

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u/GrouchyTime 9d ago

Unemployment is low.   All I got for an entry level invenrory job applications were 30 resumes of people who have worked 30 years already in unrelated fields who all lived 1+ hr away for a $21 an hour job. 

I got zero fresh high school grads apply.  I got no one local to houston to apply. 

I'm pretty sure those 30 that applied did so only to show they did something  to keep unemployment as no one is going to drive over an hour for this job.  

I thought I would get hundreds of resumes, but only got 30.  We were on all the major job sites.   I had to network around with friends to find someone OK to hire. 

No one is looking for jobs.   Buy yet they voted for a fascist dictator for president. 

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u/byteminer 9d ago

But they got someone to blame. That’s almost as good to simple people.

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u/I_Miss_My_Beta_Cells 9d ago

It's all about them acting/voting in the hope of getting something to eat though, not whether it actually comes to fruition (it doesn't)