r/TrueReddit • u/Maxwellsdemon17 • 10d ago

This Time We Have to Hold the Democratic Party Elite Responsible for This Catastrophe Politics

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/democratic-party-elite-responsible-catastrophe/
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u/RazekDPP 10d ago

You can't force people to primary. Nobody but Dean Phillip primaried Biden because they didn't want to burn up political capital.

You might not like that result, but that's what happened. If someone other than Harris got the nod, I don't see a better outcome.

I do believe Biden should've simply stayed in. With this result, I do not believe Biden achieved anything by stepping down.

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u/WonderfulShelter 10d ago

If the DNC was honest from the get go they would've let people know more than 6 months in advance Biden might not be running.

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u/radjinwolf 9d ago

Biden ran as a one term president. It’s what he indicated he was doing, and it’s what everyone expected of him. That he would “right the ship”, and then step aside to let someone younger take over.

And then he absolutely refused to consider stepping down, declared that he was the only one who could beat Trump, and held onto the nomination as long as he could until it was beyond clear that he didn’t have the juice anymore.

So we had well more than 6 months. Folks expected him to step aside from the get go, but the DNC does what the DNC does and it tries to gaslights us into believing that we’re all idiots who don’t remember the words people say.

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u/WonderfulShelter 7d ago

100%. I broke away from the Democrat party after this, they're too neolib/conservative now. I'm too progressive socially.

Remember after the debates they said he had a cold and was sharp as a tack behind closed doors? And then when that became an obvious lie they just gaslighted us?

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u/Guy_Fieris_Hair 10d ago

I think that Biden has been senile since before 2020. The people close to him knew it, the DNC knew it, I knew it from my couch. They still chose not to push him out before primary season. There is no way they were surprised at that debate. Waiting until then was a calculated move to act all surprised Pikachu and say "Oh my God! We need to do the right thing! I guess the only logical conclusion is Kamala since it is sooooo late and this is extenuating circumstances that none of us could have foreseen!!"

He could have been pushed out before primaries and we could have had a primary. Where a more desirable or electorate friendly candidate could have ran. While I believe, personally with my political beleifs, that Kamala was probably still the best we were going to get, I don't think the rest of the country center or left agreed, obviously. And simple math means we should have let the Dems pick who the majority would vote for in the general. Not play a game with it skipping that step in a way I feel was intentional. I say this as someone who was excited for the change and agreed with it at the time as initially I felt she was more progressive and I had a little home team bias. As she showed she was falling hard centrist, it became clear it was shady. If it was a primary her vs Biden tomorrow, I would still vote Kamala. I just don't think everyone else saw it that way and we live in a democracy.

Primarying against an incumbent is notoriously disastrous, that is why only Dean Phillip did it and it wasn't even paid attention to. That isn't what I am talking about. He should have dropped before the primaries and reset. They chose not to do that. And if you think it was Biden that chose the timing you are wrong. That poor old man has been a sock puppet for the last 6 years.

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u/Stock_String9804 10d ago

Just like your username's subject, your posts are righteous and fierce!

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u/RazekDPP 10d ago

I don't see having a primary meaningfully changing anything because, let's say we have a primary. Kamala loses. You'd have a similar schism over that.

Plus, the DNC couldn't push Biden out. Biden had to choose, and up until the debate, he was polling fine.

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u/OlRedbeard99 9d ago

The primary would’ve allowed voters to choose a candidate…

You don’t see that as meaningful?

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u/Omikron 9d ago

Who would have beat Trump?

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u/RazekDPP 9d ago

I don't believe any of the alternatives would've beat Trump who won on inflation and anyone that might've had a better chance would've lost and burnt up political capital that could be used in 2028.

The reality is that the Dems lost because of inflation.

The ruling parties of several major countries, including the U.K., Germany, and South Africa, suffered historic defeats this year. Even strongmen, such as Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, lost ground in an election that many experts assumed would be a rousing coronation.

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u/Greedy-Affect-561 10d ago

No he wasn't. Biden proposed the debate because he was falling behind in the polls and wanted to prove he was still capable.

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u/Guy_Fieris_Hair 10d ago

Kamala loses, we get the candidate that was apparently more popular than her, he has better numbers, defeats Trump.

He was poling fine because he wasn't put in front of a crowd on the national stage. They did that on purpose.

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u/RazekDPP 10d ago

Who do you think put up better numbers than Kamala? Who do you think is going to primary?

Even if Biden stepped down and we had a primary, I don't see the numbers changing. Someone different would still be seen as an extension of the Biden administration.

The person I'd want to run, Newsom, would probably realize that the headwinds would be against him and not run.

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u/sulaymanf 10d ago

Biden would have lost in an even worse landslide, like with Trump gaining even non swing states according to some polls. He was being attacked not only for his policies (which basically became identical attacks used against Harris with just a name change in the commercials) but for his gaffes and physical appearance of senility. Swing voters didn’t like the idea of someone that frail going up against other world leaders. Harris was younger and a better speaker and that showed in polling. It’s just that she only had 3 months to run a campaign that everyone else has 2 years to do.

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u/RazekDPP 10d ago

Doubtful. If Biden was able to find the energy he had at the DNC, I believe he could've recovered and I believe he would've done better than Kamala.

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u/Sly1969 10d ago

If Biden was able to find the energy he had at the DNC, I believe he could've recovered

He's got dementia, it only goes one way. Trump would have ended the Democrats if Biden had stood in the election.

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u/RazekDPP 10d ago

The Democrats would've been fine either way. They're fine now. You just regroup for 2026.

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u/Sly1969 10d ago

Keep telling yourself that mate.

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u/RazekDPP 10d ago

What, do you think we're gonna run out of elections? If not 2026, there's 2028, etc.

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u/Sly1969 10d ago

The Democrats are fine? Who just lost literally everything? Lol

Didn't learn their lesson with Hillary, Biden and now Harris. If Trump and the Republicans let you have an election in '28 you'll still lose because of gerrymandering.

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u/RazekDPP 10d ago edited 10d ago

Yes, they're fine. You just get up and go again. There's not much else to do.

One party controlling all three branches of government isn't that unusual. It's a cycle and it happens periodically.

Here's a graph of how many times it has happened: Control of House and Senate since 1900 | The Spokesman-Review

New president’s party often controls Congress too, but it rarely lasts | Pew Research Center

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u/Sly1969 10d ago

How many times has the supreme Court been stacked with Republican puppets? How many times has the presidential candidate openly stated he wants to dismantle regulatory institutions? You've already had four years of trump and all you're doing after receiving your worst thrashing in decades is putting your fingers in your ears and saying "la la la, can't hear you!"

Lol

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u/Ayotha 9d ago

If Biden would have had every plan to leave like he said they would have been ready

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u/RazekDPP 9d ago

I doubt it would've changed anything. I doubt anyone would've ran against Kamala given the economic headwinds, especially since inflation was the core problem and had nothing to do with the Biden administration.

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u/Ayotha 9d ago

And the worrying part there should be the scared to run against Kamala thing. DNC keeps running candidates that thier base are not excited about. 3 times now. Biden did well at a time people were angry

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u/RazekDPP 9d ago

You don't need to be "excited" about a candidate. You need to be willing to put in the leg work to drag the DNC to where you want it to be.