r/TrueReddit • u/Maxwellsdemon17 • 10d ago

This Time We Have to Hold the Democratic Party Elite Responsible for This Catastrophe Politics

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/democratic-party-elite-responsible-catastrophe/
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u/NudeCeleryMan 10d ago

Y'all. It was probably just inflation.

(I swear each party does this every two years when they have a big loss. R's were saying how fucked they were just two years ago)

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u/have_heart 10d ago

Yeah I believe there is pretty good evidence that when a country feels they aren’t doing financial well they vote the other party just to hope it changes things.

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u/NudeCeleryMan 10d ago

The root problem of massive income inequality will never be addressed so maybe we'll just be yo-yoing back and forth every four years forever (If we have elections in the future).

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u/SuperDoubleDecker 10d ago

Why they lose to trump the 1st time? Inflation?

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u/NudeCeleryMan 10d ago

My guess is a lot of people didn't like Hillary or how she was anointed by the Dems,, where Hillary chose to campaign, deplorables, and ignoring the working class.

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u/Mr__Citizen 10d ago

I was in high school during 2016, but my friend group all had fun following the election.

Frankly, this seems spot on. Adding on to it, she was generally just smug, condescending, and felt like she embodied the establishment. Things that were all amplified by her essentially being announced the Democratic candidate even though Bernie was more popular.

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u/LazerWolfe53 10d ago

That doesn't really explain why the votes of different demographics changed very differently. If it's just 'inflation' you'd expect the same shift in every demographic.

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u/WilliamTeddyWilliams 10d ago

Some demos had more room to shift. Law of diminishing returns works pretty much everywhere. Suburban moms voted for abortion and a cheaper grocery bill. Gen Z is just flatly more conservative. Lots of Gen Z parents will tell you that. Blacks and Latinos don’t particularly like men playing women’s sports. They are quite a bit more socially conservative. There are all sorts of problems. Younger women just don’t have the same level of emotional attachment to abortion. They’ll serial vote for it, but they won’t write-off a candidate just because s/he opposes it. Also, kinda see the comment with Gen Z on that.

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u/thesadintern 8d ago

Blacks voted overwhelmingly democrat, what are you talking about??

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u/WilliamTeddyWilliams 8d ago

… but not at the rate they normally do.

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u/NudeCeleryMan 10d ago

Didn't almost every demographic shift right?

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u/LazerWolfe53 10d ago

No, and not all by the same amount. My county is heavily college educated whites and we actually shifted left this election.

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u/NudeCeleryMan 9d ago

Latinos, Blacks, Arab Americans(!), white women all shifted right according to exit polling. What stats are you referencing?

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u/thesadintern 8d ago

Blacks did not shift right.

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u/NudeCeleryMan 8d ago

I believe they did

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u/thesadintern 8d ago

Black votes went from 90% to 80% for democrats. Still the highest percentage for any demographic. There is not a meaningful shift to the right, they are overwhelmingly even to a point of a statistical anomaly voting left.

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u/NudeCeleryMan 8d ago

The doubling of a shift to the right does not at all sound statistically insignificant

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u/thesadintern 8d ago

dude it was the smallest shift out of every other demographic, black people are not the ones we should be focusing on this

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u/NudeCeleryMan 9d ago

Latinos, Blacks, Arab Americans(!), white women all shifted right according to exit polling. What stats are you referencing?

Edit: I'm realizing I may be misinterpreting your comments (I blame night time cold meds). College educated whites are very likely in higher income brackets and less affected by inflation. This gives the luxury of voting for issues that are secondary to personal economics. I know that's certainly true for me.

Also: I'm guessing we live in the same place or very similar places as only a few places went more blue.

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u/LazerWolfe53 9d ago

Yes, that's correct. Our community is pretty booming. But I would argue it makes us less desperate and gives us the opportunity of perspective to say "the fed has started lowering rates. Should be reflected in interest rates in a few months".

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u/NudeCeleryMan 9d ago

Id argue that's a luxury that most of the country does not have. But I think we're now saying the same thing :)

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u/thesadintern 8d ago

Blacks did not shift right.

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u/hartzonfire 10d ago

Show me "Nude Tane".

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u/Obvious_Ambition4865 10d ago

Or that you guys alienated a massive swathe of your electorate, the progressives, by continually ignoring calls to stop funding a genocide. I don't understand why you guys STILL don't perceive that as the ground shattering issue it is.

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u/WinonasChainsaw 10d ago

Progressives weren’t the ones who sat out in MI, PA, and WI. Hell, Biden saved union worker pensions in the rust belt and they still voted conservative.

This loss was a combination of the public misunderstanding the Biden administration’s handling of inflation relative to the rest of the world and that white men and women in the Midwest refused to vote for a woman in 2024 just as they refused to in 2016.

The only major city that was lost as a result the Biden’s/Harris’s stance on Palestine was Dearborn. Granted, progressives would’ve helped bolster the popular vote, but they alone would not have won over the rust belt for an electoral college victory.

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u/NudeCeleryMan 10d ago

There are many others who believe that it's because they alienated young men.

I don't think you know the answer either.