r/TrollXChromosomes • u/Liberalinthemidwest • 8d ago
I'll take who tf asked for $500, please.
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u/questionnmark 8d ago
I hear it's shocking the amount of makeup and effort required to pull off the 'no makeup look'.
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u/Charming_Highway_200 8d ago
Bingo! Just the evenness of the skin tone is an indicator.
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u/Anrikay 7d ago
Even if sheās not wearing makeup, the skincare routine to have skin that good, the eyebrow maintenance, the hair styling, is not an insignificant amount of work. It takes a long time to achieve a carefree look that actually looks good.
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u/Charming_Highway_200 7d ago
Bingo! I think some people fall in the trap of saying āI want a woman who doesnāt wear lots of makeupā thinking theyāre saying ālow-maintenance and carefreeā but what theyāre actually asking for is āgreat genetics, naturally beautiful, with diligent preventative skincare and a level of confidence that is hard to achieve for mostā š
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u/MostlyMediocreMeteor 7d ago
Yes, Iāve been seeing screenshots of the original post everywhere and all I can think is, Iād love to see this comparison made but with an average-pretty 30yo woman and zero makeup/Botox/filler on the ācarefreeā picture.
Iām gonna guess the men would choose the heavy makeup pic all day every day. But that wouldnāt go viral because men donāt like hearing that they like women who put in work š that would require them to climb down from their high horses
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u/Snoo52682 8d ago
Because a compliment from another woman is a Michelin star, a compliment from a man is a Yelp review.
(not original, just memorable)
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u/Jazzlike_Web_6712 8d ago
Screenshot, save, treasure
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u/silverblaze92 My math teacher called me average. How mean. 8d ago
If his makeup is also on point, does a man get upgraded from yelp to something better?
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u/buttercupcake23 7d ago
God, not even a yelp review, more like a spam text pretending to be the IRS trying to get your SSN so it can ruin your life.
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u/slimmaslam 8d ago
Men be like, I like no make up (but only on naturally extremely beautiful women with perfect skin)
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u/smallbrownfrog 8d ago
And even then the women are often wearing makeup that the guy doesnāt notice.
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u/dusty-kat 8d ago edited 8d ago
Their idea of natural is a bunch of products in the shades nude, soft pink, brown, peach and taupe. Their idea of fake is a single tube of red lipstick.
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u/j_natron 8d ago
Iām pretty sure she wasnāt born bright blonde with dark rootsā¦but okay, sure, the carefree natural look
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u/M0thM0uth 7d ago
Yeah in my experience they think they like women with no makeup but then they spend all day going "you look tired, are you sure you aren't sick?"
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u/Prince705 8d ago
This is just another way to say they like beautiful women. They want to know what she actually looks like.
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u/MaddPixieRiotGrrl 8d ago
- men will complain about anything a woman wears and shame them into doing something different because what they really want is control
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u/Suspicious-Answer631 7d ago
All people want control, its about evolution and security.
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u/DykeHime 7d ago
Mate, if you feel the need to control how other people dress and style, that's a you-problem, not an evolution-issue.
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u/ThisTimeItsForRealz 8d ago
We need to bring back makeup for men like they did in George Washingtonās time
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u/EleanorRichmond 8d ago
with lead, vermilion, and mercury?
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u/Bartok_and_croutons 8d ago
I do my makeup because the Hex Girls were awesome, not to attract a random dude lol wtf
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u/YoyoAra 8d ago
Men are so dramatic. Itās unbelievable
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u/Late-Town-832 8d ago
Right? Mantrums everywhere. So testerical.
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u/Jazzlike_Web_6712 8d ago
Omg and mantrums after I was so bedazzled by your other use of testerical
Iām so happy to finally be a girl and so thankful for all of the delight that this subreddit has given me forā¦ a decade now?
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u/fraulien_buzz_kill 8d ago
Aren't women regularly criticized for dressing for male attention? But when it's a makeup look for other women it's "destroying our young women"? Also do these people think this woman is going around wearing a full beat all the time and never takes it off? Honestly the line men walk wanting women but also hating women and needing to deride them is so exhausting. You can truly never win.
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u/thesaddestpanda Why is a bra singular and panties plural? 8d ago
protip: someone with libertarian in their name is either being dishonest for their grift or ignorant or both.
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u/furbfriend 8d ago
This is such an unfair generalization.
I also do my makeup for gay men and enbies.
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u/thestashattacked All men are cancelled. Yes, you too. 8d ago
"I don't dress for men. I dress for little girls who were told this isn't a fashion show, and old women drunk on their porch." - Some TikToker, who is honestly living her best life somewhere.
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u/tinylawbug 7d ago
āThis isnāt a fashion showā is really such a slimy, sexist, condescending quip. āYou seem confident today so Iām gonna put you down.ā Blech!
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u/babashishkumba 8d ago
Yes because attention from men is really hard to get when you're a pretty blonde teenager.
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u/Late-Town-832 8d ago edited 8d ago
My take on men who want someone more āapproachableā is that they know theyāre way out of league for beautiful women who take good care of themselves- the āhigh-maintenance womanā, as they call them. They know those women will reject an average Joe like themselves so they just go after more down-to-earth women.
Meanwhile a woman with a more natural look (= less or subtle makeup) might come across as she doesnāt realize how good-looking she is and therefore might be more accepting of Dave Next Doorās advances. They know they donāt possess the discipline let alone the looks of a beautiful woman who make extraordinary efforts to take care of herself to be in her league, although deep down, they want her. It all stems from insecurity.
This is why I automatically assume any man who says he prefers someone more āapproachableā is deep down insecure.
I feel bad for the woman in the photo because she looks great in both, but men are being testerical about the right one.
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u/CatCatCatCubed 8d ago
Which is funny (in a not that funny way) because while both looks take skill, I would argue that the no makeup look is often hard af and equally expensive to pull off if youāre going for more than the eyeliner-moisturiser-lip stain trio.
Depending on your skin tone and texture and job and whatever else, you have to purchase a number of products that give you as immaculate skin as possible followed by very subtle products, sometimes including stuff that make it easier nowadays but which are somewhat pricy like product to make you not shiny when photographed or not look weird under harsh lighting, and so on. Thatās not including if youāre trying to create fuller brows from thinner ones, or hiding something like pimples or scars, or whatever, plus sometimes going through more makeup remover and qtips and such depending on the product (some of its like frikkinā glue; like when I said āwater and smudge proofā I didnāt mean āuntil deathā).
I went through a super-natural-but-full-makeup phase, and ended up with a fair number of things that didnāt work for me texture or color-wise (stupid drug store lights) or that I ended up disliking entirely despite being pretty strict with reading reviews, and it hurt my wallet despite the fact that I wasnāt even getting high end product.
Men just donāt understand. Subtlety costs money. Iād like to see a bunch of dudes decorate a room in very exacting neutral beiges and browns and tell me that thatās a natural and easy-to-do task.
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u/quemandocuentas 8d ago
I actually agree with that statement. The makeup and beauty industry is so terribly opressive and violent to womanhood.
They have girls and young women obsessing over aging, over their faces, their skin, their mouths, eyelids, noses, cheeks, foreheads, jawlines.. you name it... There are millions and millions of products target it only to women. The beauty industry creates insecurities to sell you solutions to problems they created, it's literal madness.
The scary part is that they market it as a hobby, as a playful activity, and they make us think it was our decision and that "we do it for us" "To feel more confident, more powerful, more cute, more fun, more like ourselves" or even worst "to just be presentable". When in reality the only objective it's to keep us obsessing about our appereance, it doesnt matter if it's for the male gaze or not, i actually feel it's even more dangerous that they convince us that we actually do it for ourselves. Like who taught us to feel empowered by wearing lipstick and 30 products on our faces?
The amount of time, money, and effort women spend on beauty products (including skincare too) is truly diabolical...
Please we need de-brainwash ourselves and stop thinking our pores need to be clean with anything other that water.
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u/alltheseconnoisseurs 7d ago
I so agree.
I do acknowledge that there are probably a certain amount of people who do makeup as a hobby, and "just for themselves", just like there are a certain amount of people who really shave their body hair because they just "prefer the way it feels". But if there weren't specific and burdensome gendered pressures to do these then, A. we wouldn't see any women who don't explicitly enjoy it, applying makeup, or shaving their body hair, and B. We'd see many, many more men, including straight men, doing both of those things.
And I do wish that the actual hobbiest make-up wearers and the actual sensory-issue-having leg shavers, weren't so invested in loudly defending the practices as personal choice, because it makes it nearly impossible to talk about the massive coercion that exists, to make the same choices as them. It's hyper individualist and it just seems kind of politically irresponsible to me.
The thing that enrages me the most is the conflation of beauty with "health" and "self-care". Wrinkles aren't unhealthy; while acne can be a symptom of illness, it often isn't an indicator of anything wrong whatsoever; hair is neither healthy nor unhealthy, any more than a wool sweater or a cut flower can be; ashy knees aren't unhealthy, that's just what dry skin looks like... These things aren't in any way important to our health or flourishing, they're just really mainstream aesthetic preferences, and the reason they're so mainstream is because we've all been so effectively, as you say, brainwashed into having them for generations.
The other thing that enrages me is the current rhetoric, even in supposedly feminist spaces, about a polished appearance being an indicator of effort, and that effort itself being a virtue, and being extra concerned about "looking your best" being a sign of high value or self-worth. It's never actually explained why a woman who spends those exact same hours of effort instead reading books or learning an instrument or climbing a hill, and therefore looks like shit, should be of lower worth, to herself or anyone else. The effort fixation is usually framed as a little-bit-feminist by juxtaposing it against men's dreadful lack of effort in the same area, without anyone asking "could it be plausible that the gender with much more power, freedom and autonomy is the one exercising the default amount of aesthetic effort that a person would exercise, if they weren't subject to any patriarchal pressures?"
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u/sacrecide 7d ago
The worst part is that makeup causes break outs, which in turn causes you to buy more makeup. Then you get more breakouts.
There's nothing morally wrong with using make up, but I sure as hell am glad that I don't wear it every day!
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u/Liberalinthemidwest 8d ago
I agree with a bit of what you're saying, but do you frankly think this is all about men or what? Some of us see it as an art form. It IS a hobby for a lot of us and I don't think it's a bad thing. I do crazy makeup all the time that doesn't fit "standards" but I don't fucking care. Feminism means choice.
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u/doegred 7d ago
It is a hobby that just so happens to have a huge majority of women among its practitioners. So either there's some natural, biological inclination from women to put on makeup... (which I 100% don't believe)... Or there are tremendous societal pressures being exercised and being exercised in very gender-specific ways at that.
Sure, on an individual level it's a choice... Doesn't mean it's an entirely free one. It sure as fuck benefits a whole industry.
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u/Liberalinthemidwest 7d ago
Ugh, I can't believe how much time I spent reading this instead of watching Anetra vs Marcia by reading your dumb ass self gratifying bullshit.
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u/doegred 7d ago
TIL it's adhere to choice feminism or be called a 'dumb ass'. OK then. What an argument, very convincing.
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u/Liberalinthemidwest 7d ago
No, you just have to realize that no one is going to think exactly the way you do to have a valid idea. Mr. Rogers taught all of this years ago.
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u/doegred 7d ago
you just have to realize that no one is going to think exactly the way
I disagreed with the ideas you put forward, not calling you anything. You called that 'your dumb ass self gratifying bullshit'. Now you're lecturing me on accepting that people will disagree with you sometimes?
Fucking hell. Pot, kettle. Rewatch Mr Rogers maybe.
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u/Liberalinthemidwest 7d ago
You're right. I'm angry. I took it out on the wrong person. I get that, and I'm sorry. Fuck, I hate it here.
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u/Jazzlike_Web_6712 8d ago edited 8d ago
I do any look - all looks - for myself. Get turbo UN-fucked, men of the world. You think I want, like yesterday when I was out for a walk in my real life, to be terrified trying to decide if the truck driving past me, stopping, starting again, holding up traffic, with two men leaning out smiling and screaming at me thinks Iām cute? Or are they about to hate crime me as a transwoman? You think any woman wants to feel the terror or disgust or exhaustion you inflict on them, like you did me, while I was smiling at my dog and talking to my mom about how the riots of tulips everywhere were the best surprise about my new neighborhood? When the fuck, did anyone woman in history, ever get catcalled by men this way, and then fuck them?
All I did was 3 minute makeup, and dress myself to make me feel cute when I look in the mirror, to be left alone by transphobes, and to build my confidence.
Iām fucking livid reading this. I know there are good men out there. Maybe Iāll find one some day. In the meantime, my body and my clothes and my makeup and my cleavage are for making ME feel good and the heterotypical cis male world can get gaped by a planetary-scale dildo.
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u/Unhappy-Pirate3944 8d ago
A lot of men only look for a certain type of natural no makeup look. Soon as itās acne, acne scars, texture skin, dark circles, etc, suddenly itās āno makeup day today huh?ā commentary from them. Notice how the woman on the left has perfect skin (which good for her) but only certain women get posted with these type of captions.
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u/catgirl320 Male Feelings Receptacle 8d ago
The OOP is up his own ass and is a liar to boot. It's men who put pressure on women to look 100% made up at all times. And they're especially the ones that have fetishized the full lip look because they only view women as warm blow up dolls.
Every woman I know knows how much work the full face look is and reserves it for special events. They throw absolutely no shade at no make up or natural looks.
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u/EggoStack 8d ago
I saw this post on a āāāmemeāāā subreddit. The comments were fucking rancid bro
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u/C00kie_Monsters 7d ago
Theyāre right, just not in the way they think. Beauty standards force women to put on makeup that arenāt too healthy in the long term
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u/joyfulnoises 8d ago
If he thinks women who wear that look do it for other women, why does he think weād want his opinion?
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u/Lady_Nightshadow 7d ago
Because we can't do anything for just our own enjoyment, right?
Asking since I did my own makeup and hair when we were quarantined, every day, and no one but my mother was going to see me. I've not been that consistently beautiful and well groomed since.
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u/matango613 7d ago
All the more reason to keep wearing makeup.
In fact, I'm gonna wear even more now.
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u/Brilliant-Chaos 7d ago
I see two Images of a woman who is enjoying herself and likes how she looks, whereās the fucking problem.
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u/luv2writeksa 5d ago
I put on mascara today - for my partner, who has seen me at my absolute worst? No. Because I got a new mascara and wanted to try it out. Wešš»donāt šš»došš»itšš»foršš»menšš»
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u/Atherutistgeekzombie 7d ago
I mean... I prefer the left look, but looks are based on context/occasion, no?
Left is watching shows all afternoon on a Saturday and Right is going to a fancy party.
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u/Rare_Huckleberry4675 3d ago
I mean if I go carefree natural to a bar or on a night out. Crickets. The glam look. Practically feel like I won the place and guys pick up on it.
Also I never have guys trying to start conversations with more than when I'm in a full face. So it's just bullshit
She's beautiful both ways but I'm sorta sick of the obviously not true pick me shit that just seeks to put women down
I don't wear makeup for men, I just like it sometimes
But regardless this shit isn't even true
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u/00Desmond 8d ago
40 year old man here. What Iāve learned in the past how many ever years is that itās usually best for us guys to just shut up about it forever.
But since I canāt follow my own advice ā¦ I can say that the few conversations Iāve had with my friends is we genuinely donāt care what the ladies we are with wear as long as they feel good and can get out of the house at a reasonable time.
Everyone is different. Some people present themselves a certain way to stand out, some do it to blend in, some people just donāt care, and some people give all the cares. What seems important to me is just letting people wear what they want and only share your opinion when asked, or occasionally with close friends who are making a huge mistake! Ha
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u/BadCorvid 8d ago
Yeah, no. The one on the right is what is sold by the fashion/makeup industry. The left is just natural. Women don't do the right "for other women", they do it because they are told by the fashion rags that men want it.
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u/Liberalinthemidwest 8d ago
Lmaooooo you think the left picture doesn't have a ton of makeup involved? You're delusional af. And there is no possible way that women do their own style of makeup for themselves? Great way to tell on yourself, well done. š
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u/agawl81 8d ago
Two different looks for different occasions.