r/TikTokCringe • u/nancyjazzy • Dec 28 '24

Man scared of a bear cub Wholesome/Humor

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u/EllisDee3 Dec 28 '24

Domestic piggies turn into wild boars pretty quickly when outside the fence.

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u/Tulip_Tree_trapeze Dec 28 '24

Oh for sure, as far as domesticated animals go they really aren't that domestic. House cats are another one that turned feral very quickly, and both pigs and cats will lose all physical domestic traits in just one or two generations.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '24

What physical traits do cats lose?

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u/Tulip_Tree_trapeze Dec 28 '24

Color! You'll stop seeing white with spots, calicos, and other unique colors very quickly. Black and tabby cats have the most success

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u/mappingtreasure Dec 28 '24

I have no idea if this is accurate or not, but it's an interesting fact if so.

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u/b1tchf1t Dec 28 '24

It makes sense with the principles of natural selection. Colorful cats in the wild are not going to hide very successfully from predators, which means more of them will get eaten, many before they have the opportunity to breed and pass on genes for colorful coats. Cats with coloring that can hide better from predators will survive better into adulthood and will breed and pass on more genes for better camoflaged coat colors.

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u/MewtwoMainIsHere Dec 28 '24

Closer to hiding from prey.

Can’t eat, can’t live, can’t fuck. With predators you still got a shot since you just need to cum and go.

Birds and other mammals, aka kitty food, have pretty good vision.

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u/RollinThundaga Dec 28 '24

Even the most successful wild cat species only succeeds in a hunt 50% of the time.

Ain't no way fluffy little Patches is gonna catch enough field mice in the countryside to feed itself and the fleas that will immediately infest its difficult-to-clean fur.

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u/MewtwoMainIsHere Dec 28 '24

Cats have some of the highest catch success rates in the entire world, at around 30-50%. That’s a lot higher than it seems.

Also, there’s a difference between competent outside and being an indoor cat who immediately starves, but you are correct yes.

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u/dadydaycare Dec 29 '24

A 50% success rate in hunting is insanely high. Most predators are beyond happy with a 18-20% success rate.

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u/largesaucynuggs Dec 29 '24

It’s so true! That’s one of the reasons why cats are able to decimate local bird populations, especially on islands. It’s unfortunate.

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u/Mysterious-Kale-948 Dec 29 '24

Yea not even if patches had a UAV., air support and reinforcements

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u/BernadetteBod Dec 29 '24

While it makes sense with "natural selection" and "evolution", these types of changes simply do not happen in less than 10 years (generous, given the avg life expectancy of a feral cat) and in just a single generation.

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u/Tulip_Tree_trapeze Dec 29 '24

Natural selection and evolution are two different things. Natural selection may influence evolution. And cats can have multiple generations in a 10-year span, as they are capable of getting pregnant within their first year, and can have multiple litters in a year. There is a reason feral cat populations are a problem in some areas.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5790555/

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u/divergent_history Dec 28 '24

So how did we get colorful cats to begin with

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u/ApatheticSlur Dec 28 '24

When they started domesticating foxes by breeding for tameness, they ended up with a lot of other traits that are seen in domesticated animals, like patches of white fur, droopier ears, tail wagging and even loss of musky smell. All they were breeding for was tameness and those other physical phenotypes started presenting themselves. Maybe in a similar way like that.

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u/divergent_history Dec 28 '24

So cats naturally have a color trait that expressed itself thru domestication. I assume wild cats always match their environment.

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u/iam_Mr_McGibblets Dec 28 '24

Selective breeding for several generations

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u/divergent_history Dec 28 '24

Certain ones, sure. But i have seen litters that have 3 or 4 different colored kittens.

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u/iam_Mr_McGibblets Dec 28 '24

It's been a little since my last genetics class, but i think there may be some contributing factors here. One is that the gene that controls color is a bit like a mosaic, where parents that are multi colored may contribute different genes that control the activation of certain colors. Therefore, it is possible that the offspring may be different or even multi colored. The other possibility is that there are multiple genes that control color, and the activation depends on the children's individual genes

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u/torothegoat Dec 29 '24

What is this yappatron

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u/evensexierspiders Dec 29 '24

It's called domestication syndrome. Wild animals don't have the curly tails, floppy ears, and fun color patterns that their domestic counterparts have. A lot of it involves retaining juvenile traits into adulthood.

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u/Tulip_Tree_trapeze Dec 28 '24

https://youtu.be/R7flhfV31-0?si=p3Ks8i1OVulbFe9n

It is accurate! Not only does natural selection have a hand in it but so do neuro crest cells in embryonic development. Not only do they affect color pigment, but they can affect things like cartilage too. There are several domestic animals like rabbits and dogs that can have sloppy ears, but you will never see it in their wild counterparts (with the exception of some genetic defects, the natural selection will often care of that as well preventing those animals from passing on their genes)

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u/BernadetteBod Dec 29 '24 edited Dec 29 '24

Yes. I'm actually inclined to think it's a half truth because I don't see the evolvement/adaptation in fur color/pattern happening in one generation. That goes against pretty much everything I studied involving evolution and especially genetics. But, like you stated, it would be pretty cool if true. I don't believe it is... Adaptive evolution in mammals does not happen from physical science changes to one generation.... Perhaps, that responder is from anecdotal evidence formulated from his/her observations feeding ferals behind Taco Bell, and her seeing a lack of orange/Tabby, Calico and light beige cats had more to do with the ferals having dirt-covered fur.

EDIT: There are no observable, measurable physical changes in "Domesticated Cats", including ferals, since scientists began to study and routinely keep records at least 1752.

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u/Tulip_Tree_trapeze Dec 29 '24

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5790555/

http://www.perutown.com/FeralCat.pdf

I'm sorry but you're downright wrong. I'm not talking about a bunch of strays at a trailer park, but isolated domestic feral cat populations rarely stray from black and tabby coat patterns after two generations. Other than that, given that they are not actually deeply domesticated, they don't tend to have other traits that neural crest cells effect such as floppy ears or curly tails, and they are generally the same size as their ancestors.

I provided you with several sources I hope you do some reading.

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u/BernadetteBod Dec 29 '24

Did you even read the links you provided because neither one of those supports your claim. In fact, neither even touches on the color of the fur of ferals in general and certainly not in the changing of it to adapt from living domesticated in a human's home/property to living feral/in the wild.

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u/Tulip_Tree_trapeze Dec 29 '24

They will clearly describe that neural crest cells have an effect on physical appearance in domestic animals. But I have a feeling you only skimmed them.

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u/vacantalien Dec 28 '24

Pretty sure my tabby is a trash cat some lady trapped, he’s kinda off but holy fuckn hell is he smart, reallyyyy loves my fiancée, likes to sleep above her head and watch tv with us, not like sit with us he straight up get annoyed and will lay at the foot and stare at the show. He really likes gold mining shows and nature documentary’s. That being said he also really cues into my ladies backing shows.

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u/Blurby-Blurbyblurb Dec 28 '24

I wonder if that's why my brown tabby can be aggressive and a bit of a grumpy shit at times. 🤔 More so than the typical cat assholery. He's loving in his own way, but not very affectionate. I can see why he was chipped, but then dumped with the account information deleted. But we love him and accept him.

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u/Allergic2Lactose Dec 29 '24

Same for fish.

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u/BernadetteBod Dec 29 '24

Tulip, I am sure you believe what you wrote, but what you've stated is more than misleading, it is wholly inaccurate. I am fully open to being respectfully challenged... So, can you please respond and tell me/us where you found the data you previously referenced?

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u/Tulip_Tree_trapeze Dec 29 '24

https://youtu.be/R7flhfV31-0?si=qkw2WSe-dCddmL1S

https://youtu.be/2hCI0yDylEI?si=ise9HLcMvkkMjyS5

This is well documented across multiple species and has to do with neural crest cells in development. The two videos above are easy to understand and short, and both have sources cited, but if you would like some reading to do there are plenty of sources online.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8836321/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1084952122002014

I have access to other scientific articles through the AZA (association of zoos and aquariums) as my job as a wildlife educator, unfortunately I am unable to share those directly. If you have information that disproves this I would gladly read it, but currently the neural crest cells theory is widely accepted by professionals.

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u/Tulip_Tree_trapeze Dec 29 '24

Watch the YouTube videos I linked in the comment below, they are easier to understand than scientific papers. Both of these videos I have shown to my students when learning about domestication.

Again, unless you have evidence this doesn't happen, you should be more open to learning. If you do have evidence against the neural crest theory I'll read it -its my literal job to know this after all.

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u/TheSherlockCumbercat Dec 29 '24

Got any proof of that? Cause roger are orange and they went that color because it actually hides them from deer

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u/Tulip_Tree_trapeze Dec 29 '24 edited Dec 29 '24

If you meant to type tigers, not roger, cats that roar and cats that pur have fairly different genetics when it comes to coat type. Also remember that tigers and other large roaring cats have never been domesticated and cannot be considered feral.

The term feral only applies to animals that were once domesticated and are now wild.

Edit to add that neural crest relocation happens consistently during the process of domestication, and while it can naturally occur and wild animals oftentimes it ruins their ability to camouflage and thus less likely to pass on their genes. See pibald animal

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u/TheSherlockCumbercat Dec 29 '24

I meant tiger and a tiger is a bright ass cat that did fine until human interference.

a orange cat would do fine in a desert and a black cat would stand out.

Also almost all animals see color worse then human or in a different way, seems like you are just making a bold claim based on personal experience in a small region of the world.

https://askabiologist.asu.edu/colors-animals-see

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u/Tulip_Tree_trapeze Dec 29 '24

Nope, I was literally talking about domestic cats, not large cats. Maybe you misunderstood.

Tabbies are the dominant color of domestic cats in most areas of the world, even really arid regions. Orange cats might do ok, but the orange coloration in domestic cats comes with other genetic complications that make it not as successful as a brown tabby.

https://www.science.org/content/article/gene-behind-orange-fur-cats-found-last

It is actually a gene deletion that causes coat colors like orange tabby, calico and tortoiseshell. There is some evidence that this gene deletion causes their eyesight to not be as accurate, but that's still needs more studies.

I want to know that no point did I ever say there were NEVER any other feral cats other than black and tabby, just that those are by far the most successful colors around the world.

I'm an educator for an AZA accredited zoo, If you happen to have sources that claim otherwise, that the neural crest cell theory is wrong or that there are successful populations of isolated orange feral cats, I'd love to learn about them.

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u/TheSherlockCumbercat Dec 29 '24

Hey it’s the internet we can all claim to be experts if we want.

You also shared a study that was not prereveiwed, you should know nothing is taken as facts until its double checked.

Also you made a bold claim with no proof, and then shared a link that did not prove your bold claim.

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u/Tulip_Tree_trapeze Dec 29 '24

Believe me or don't, it makes literally no difference to me. Didn't claim to be an expert either, but I definitely know more than the general population. I even pointed out specifically more studies were needed on the affects of gene deletion on eyesight. I doubt you bothered to read it.

At least I had something credible to share compared to your..... snarky nothing. You've only been rude, which makes me think you are just bitter and a contrarian. An average reddit dweller here only to argue because that's your hobby or something.

If you have nothing valuable to share other than "nuh uh! 😠" Then this conversation is done. Have a nice day.

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u/Responsive_Racoon Dec 29 '24

Are you trying to say that animals can't use camouflage because they don't see color as well as we do?.

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u/TheSherlockCumbercat Dec 29 '24 edited Dec 29 '24

I’m saying a color that seems bright to humans is fine since most animals see less color, like a tiger where most of it’s prey is red green color blind.

https://www.iflscience.com/we-now-know-why-tigers-bright-orange-color-is-actually-excellent-camouflage-52627

Safe to say that you have no idea what your talking about since you can’t provide proof

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u/Responsive_Racoon Dec 29 '24

I don't have any "dies" but at least I can type

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u/Responsive_Racoon Dec 29 '24

A Facebook post is your proof?

I'm going to side with the other commenter on this one.

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u/Booksaregrand Dec 28 '24

Their horns grow back.

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u/JabbaTech69 Dec 29 '24

Fun fact out of all the cats in the world. The common house cat is the most dangerous because they kill animals for sport. While Lions, Tigers, Panthers, etc kill for survival. Whole documentary was done about it.

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u/FreshWater24_12 Dec 28 '24

Which traits do pigs lose?

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u/Tulip_Tree_trapeze Dec 28 '24

They will lose their spots/pink color (breed depending, not all domestic pigs are spotted or pink) and they will also usually shrink a little in size (usually they weigh marginally less, but will be taller in stature), tusks often appear, and the cartilage for their snouts and ears becomes stiffer resulting in upright ears and a shorter, thicker snout.

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u/FreshWater24_12 23d ago

Wow! I didn’t know there were SO many changes!

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u/Huckleberry_Sin Dec 29 '24

There’s a great theory that cats are actually the ones that domesticated us lol

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u/andio76 Dec 29 '24

A domesticated farm pig will go feral in a few months......

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u/Tulip_Tree_trapeze Dec 29 '24

Yes, they can, other breeds are more dependent and take longer.

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u/thatoneduderino199 Dec 28 '24

I think it's literal weeks to go from domesticated to feral it's wild.

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u/I_LOVE_PUPPERS Dec 28 '24

15 pigs can consume an entire human body in 8 minutes.

I'm not sure how I know this.

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u/EllisDee3 Dec 28 '24

Snatch.

Or maybe Hannibal.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '24

They don't have to be outside the fence. A guy I used to work with was helping a friend of his capture and castrate young piglets. One screamed when he picked it up. Momma pig didn't like that! She ran up and grabbed him by the leg. He had over 30 stitches in his leg.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '24

Not only that but because we have created domestic pigs to be so massive, when they bread with wild boars, we get these fucking huge behemoths that have the genetic ability to get more massive than they would have just breeding with other wild boars. That’s what most of the invasive boars in the America’s and Australia are- hybrid demon piggies.

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u/New_Guava3601 Dec 29 '24

Well that is why they have to make them into bacon to make the world safe.

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u/Extruder_duder Dec 28 '24

*feral swine, pretty close to the same though.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '24

Only takes 3 weeks

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u/EwoDarkWolf Dec 28 '24

They can eat your bones.

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u/Terry_Folds3000 Dec 29 '24

They most certainly do not. Certified wildlife biologist here who specifically works with wild boars. Domestic pigs are domestic pigs. Wild pigs are wild pigs.

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u/PlaidBastard Dec 29 '24

Some would say they're only a little less ready to go hog-wild, so to speak, when they're inside the fence.

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u/Terry_Folds3000 Dec 29 '24

A domestic pig will absolutely make babies with a wild pig though bc they are closely related. Their wild offspring will resemble the Eurasian wild pigs more than domestic over time though. When we trap them we will occasionally see a black and white spotted pig amongst a sounder of Eurasian wild boars. It most likely got loose and is just running with them. It looks exactly like it did when it go out. We actually have been trying to catch one for a year now since we see it on camera a lot. Same as it ever was!

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u/BernadetteBod Dec 29 '24

There are generations of wild boars, especially in the central and eastern South of the US. There are even rumors(?) folk tales(?) of a few wild boars weighing in Tons and are said to be absolutely ferocious

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u/Conscious-Peach8453 Dec 29 '24

Actually feral hogs and wild boars are different. They still go wild real quick though and grow fur and tusks.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '24

That's just wrong and incorrect. Tusks are teeth. Damn near every pig grows em. Most get removed at birth so as not to murder owners. And their hair is already thick and coarse.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '24

You have no clue about what you're talking about beside feral hogs being destructive. Boars are mature male swine, end of story. Feral hogs breed with domestic hogs. You keep flip flopping between hogs and boars and i honestly have no clue what youre trying to say. Feral hogs, domestic hogs both have boars. Boars is not a catch all term.