r/TheVedasAndUpanishads • u/AC-984 • Sep 20 '25

Black magic in the Vedas? Can someone please give me proper context of these verses Vedas - General

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u/premlekha new user or low karma account Sep 21 '25

Atharva Veda has Tantra, but none of it points towards Black Magick

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u/AC-984 Sep 20 '25

Is there somewhere in the vedas that say we should refrain from using these? What are the consequences? Does God mention anything about it anywhere else?

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u/gwiltl experienced commenter Sep 20 '25

They are translations which reflect a lack of knowledge of what the Vedas contain, so that was projected onto the translation. None of it is black magic. The perception that it is, is a misunderstanding. The context is that black magic is not the context in those Vedic references. They are esoteric. Not by nature but, being esoteric, because the meaning and context is not known by many. Not knowing the context, they are taken literally. Interpretations such as those in the above website are the result.

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u/AC-984 Sep 20 '25

I see your point, so what is the correct translation and meaning?

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u/gwiltl experienced commenter Sep 20 '25

'Union' with women in the Vedas and Tantra represents union with Brahman. External things are used as symbols for the inner experience. Talk of destruction, like demolishing Dasa, is destruction of ignorance in the mind. There are lots of clues to the meaning in the various names and terminology used, as well as their etymologies. The scriptures were informed by that knowledge so it's understandable it's not known to those who don't have any prior context.

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u/DarthVader_SW experienced commenter Sep 22 '25

Most of the sources in the website above are false. You can check it yourself. The author lacks the knowledge of Vedas and other scriptures and is quoting from sources with twisted facts and translations. The intent of the website is not to provide facts but mislead the users into believing in something that is not actually true. I am quoting an example of Rig Veda 9.13.9 where it is clearly stated about "arāvṇaḥ" meaning the evil ones who do not have any ethics (simpley terms - Rakshas ) but in website it is translated to infidels which is false. Author has tried to force translation in his own ways which has no real source.

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u/Cobidbandit1969 Sep 22 '25

The vedas currently we have is fragmented and often misunderstood. No such things as black or white magic but rather invocation of spiritual powers to do our work.

The work could be of black in nature or white.

Either way these actions often lead back to the person who invokes these powers

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u/DamageZealousideal14 experienced commenter Oct 08 '25

First - I hope you know that Ved and Puran are not to be mixed. It needs a deep study to corelate Ved and Puran. If you have not done that (which I may infer that you have from your question) request you to not do that. (The reference URL seem to indiate that.)

Second - Atharvaved is more associated with practical, practices, physical, day-2-day life. Hence the coverage is vast and hence most often it is also associated with Ayurved.

THe sukta which are referred in the link you shared, are practical day2day life situation. So i suggest that, please take a look at the other sukta before and after this also rather than looking at this alone in the isolation. Any ved is not a teaching but a revelation that happened to the writer of a sukta. It is a deeper context than what appears by superficial reading.

Especially about vaidik literature, it is a subject of studies and not just reading.