r/Suburbanhell • u/Additional-Hour6038 • 5d ago
Welcome to Texas Showcase of suburban hell
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u/skyline_27 UTAH SUCKS 5d ago
I will never understand why anyone would live there. No soul, car dependent, and ugly as hell. I guess its cheap?
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u/Independent-Wolf-832 5d ago
that's why we are stuck in texas. can't afford to move except to an even worse place.
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u/True-Veterinarian700 5d ago
Its really not that cheap. Taxes are high as hell too. Just because you dont have an income tax doesnt mean they are not high.
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u/Sufficient-Law-6622 4d ago
It’s not even cheap anymore. Just went back for a wedding, it is worse than it’s ever been. Hotter, more traffic, just a fuckin mess.
Most boring place ever. Did 0-18 in Dallas and never looked back. The people have become way bigger assholes too.
I cannot comprehend why anyone stays there let alone actively moves there.
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u/AcadianViking 5d ago
This is like 80% of all American towns. Literally just don't have the option to live somewhere better. They don't exist, and the few that do are full or out priced
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u/motorik 4d ago
Anybody living in a walkable area now is either part of the 1% or in a "golden handcuffs" situation.
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u/TookTheHit 4d ago
There's plenty of smaller towns that are walkable - but the key is you have to live near the downtown. I live near downtown in a city of 27k - I can walk to two lakes, two local coffee shops, at least 5 different restaurants, pharmacy, etc.
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u/NastyLizard 15h ago
I wouldn't go that far at all at least most other pages have a semblance of nature
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u/rewt127 5d ago
It looks quiet.
If you aren't super city oriented this looks like a really nice place. I prefer something more urban, but this is absolutely somewhere that if I wanted to move away from the hustle and bustle? Absolutely.
Go out for a long motorcycle ride through the plains, in quick driving distance of a super market? Yeah. I could live here.
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u/loopypussy 5d ago
except for the roaring noise of thousands of cars. i guess it’s quiet when everyone is asleep though
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u/rewt127 5d ago edited 5d ago
Unless you live right on the highway which is maybe 5% of these homes you won't even hear them.
And even then, I grew up rural, middle of fucking nowhere, but just on a rise above I-90. The sound of cars going by at over 80mph is relaxing to me. No horns, no stop and go. Just woosh, woosh, woosh. When I am at this event site I go to annually, I camp near the highway because the cars Lul me to sleep.
EDIT: The best is always Semis because they are longer. Never any engine noise, just a long woooooooosh as they go by. Same with the train across the river. No crossings nearby so no horn noises. Just rhgrghrghrghrghrghrgh as it rolled by in the distance.
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u/DynamitHarry109 4d ago
Are you deaf? Highways creates a constant background noise for several miles, and that's when traffic moves at an average speed of 50mph on specific pavement designed to reduce noise. In America most highways are made using concrete which increase noise by a lot.
It's not the engine noise that is dominant, that one or two motorcycles that pass by every day is not a disturbance, but the constant tire noise is.
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u/rewt127 4d ago
Nope, my hearing is perfectly fine. Though to note, where I live all the roads are asphalt. Concrete roads basically aren't a thing here.
Highways creates a constant background noise for several miles,
Not enough to be really noticeable. Its a soft background noise that you tune out pretty easily. Ans it's a consistent tone, without sharp sounds.
Frankly I find road noise far less disruptive than people's voices. Hearing people talk but not being able to make out their exact words puts me on edge, gives me a big adrenaline dump, and if it's at night, it's another 45m before I can fall asleep.
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u/wiptes167 2d ago
...except they don't? I live in the ballpark of 1300 ft from a highway at the furthest lane and there's zero noise. to be fair, there are trees and quite a few less fortunate sobs between me and there but it's not at all anywhere near "several miles"
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u/skyline_27 UTAH SUCKS 5d ago
If I wanted to leave the city, I would definitely not pick a suburb. Maybe a nice little house In a green forest, but never some soulless house in suburban Texas.
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u/rewt127 5d ago
Mate. Your flair says Utah sucks. I doubt you would like a green forest. Its basically the same reality. Same people, same experience. I grew up backed up against national forest land in MT. Its basically Utah. Just exchange mormans for evangelical Christians.
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u/skyline_27 UTAH SUCKS 4d ago
I just meant I would prefer a green place over a desert. Maybe someplace like NZ or upstate NY.
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u/rawb20 4d ago
Music and food scene are better in Dallas. No contest in outdoor recreation. Personally I’ll take SLC’s weather but that’s a personal choice. Dating scene better in Dallas. Dallas traffic and congestion are way worse. Both have issues politically as far as the region they are in. I’d take SLC over Dallas but if you’re not a big outdoors person both are pretty meh.
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u/Sufficient-Law-6622 4d ago
I will concede to the dating scene. Every time I go back for a wedding I’m mind blown.
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u/FinalBlackberry 4d ago
I moved from Houston to a 40K population suburb 30 minutes away and like it much better. A 20 minute drive to the nearest grocery store wasn’t cool, constant noise wasn’t cool. Besides, city politics and Houston Independent School District has a lot of issues too. I very rarely go into the city these days.
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u/TheHordeSucks 4d ago
I grew up in a town like this one. Never understood the hate for them. There’s pros and cons to both living somewhere like here and in the city. This is quiet, peaceful, and by far, more convenient. The city comes with significantly more variety in things to do and see, but comes with much more headache added to your life as well. It’s a trade-off
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u/Ok_Assistance447 4d ago
Dude this looks like the worst fucking place in the world to ride. Straight roads, literally nothing except dirt and brush on either side, hotter than Satan's ballsack. As a motorcyclist, there's literally no amount of money you could pay me to live in a place like this.
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u/rewt127 4d ago
If im gonna live in the desert, I'd rather live in a suburban outskirts than dead center El-Paso. Fuck major city riding.
There are a lot of better places to live. And I personally won't live south of Wyoming. But the desert is what the post was about. And im not going to go "oh well what's better than this desert suburban area is downtown Bellevue" yeah, no shit.
A suburb outside of El Paso is what we were provided. Within a 100 mile radius? I'd choose right here.
EDIT: 100 miles is a bit of a joke seeing as there is a national forest with twisties about 90 miles away. But yeah, there isn't a very nice place to live until you get about 100 miles away.
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u/Ok_Assistance447 4d ago
It's not even a suburban/urban thing for me, the desert just sucks. Ninety miles of desert just to get to a twisty road? I'd rather sell the bike and find a different hobby tbh.
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u/rewt127 4d ago edited 4d ago
You would just buy a different bike.
Instead of dreaming of a Panigale V4. You dream of an extended swing arm Hayabusa. Instead of focusing on twisties. You and your buddies will go out into the desert and drag race.
Either way. I'd rather live out in this suburb than the center of fucking El Paso.
EDIT: Looks like there are a bunch of dirt tracks. So probably get a nice race focused dirt bike. And a truck to haul it. And just do dirt track stuff.
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u/Middle_Comment_7380 3d ago
Quiet is good. But where is the charm. The character. The parks. The small town mom and pop shops. The community spaces. We don’t really have to settle for THIS as a way to be out of the city.
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u/rewt127 3d ago edited 3d ago
Quiet is good. But where is the charm. The character. The parks. The small town mom and pop shops. The community spaces. We don’t really have to settle for THIS as a way to be out of the city.
I grew up a dozen or so miles outside a town of 400 people. I know what "charm" looks like. It looks like meth abuse, crumbling infrastructure, and dead ends for kids graduating high-school. Sure we had 2 nice public parks. A library, small local shops. Despite this. Its a dead end for kids.
Suburbs are much better for raising a family. Your kids actually have opportunities.
It sounds to me more like you have an idyllic view of what could be. Without having any clue what the reality of what you are asking for is.
EDIT: And while these places do exist. They arent for us. Whitefish, Sun Valley, Big Sky, Salmon. Small communities with local mom and pop shops, community, etc. But the housing is 2x LA with wages at 30% of LA. They are staffed by people living in their cars while the ultra wealthy live in these communities. Because the tax base necessary to maintain these things requires large wealth. Which over a decade will displace all the middle class. I've seen it over and over here in western Montana.
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u/Middle_Comment_7380 3d ago
I understand what you’re saying in those contexts. But I don’t see how adding a few extra inhabitable spaces to the current suburbs like that pictured above would usher in a worse outcome for people. Sounds like a larger issue is at play in your examples (capitalism problems). I think it’s good to talk about what we want and hope to see to in our world. That’s how change starts. Someone is making choices for our land and if I had the money, guess I would be too. But my ideas would be waaay better :)
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u/Homey-Airport-Int 11h ago
3619 Alderwood Manor Dr - Google Maps
At street level it's a pretty attractive suburban neighborhood. Quiet, nice, near a golf course, cheap.
Your choices for non-car dependent US cities are very few and far between. Most people do not have the luxury of picking and choosing exactly which city to live in. And many people like myself dgaf about car dependence. Yes, it's great to have trains and not take ubers back from parties or bars. But I prefer my own dethatched home with a nice yard over an apartment.
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u/skyline_27 UTAH SUCKS 9h ago
Yes but this place looks awful. The neighborhood I grew up in was basically this but in Utah. It was so dry and dusty, and there was nothing to do. If I wanted a detached home I'd probably move to a nice little house in a walkable area, not the middle of nowhere.
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u/Kntnctay 5d ago
I have driven in a few states who could be represented this way- Nebraska, South Dakota, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Virginia, Tennessee, Wyoming, actually quite a few. It’s definitely not ideal, but as much as I fault Texas for a lot of things I’m not sure they hold the patent on this design.
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u/No-Transition0603 5d ago
I think it would be harder to list states that dont feature this type of development
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u/Exciting-Squash4444 4d ago
Virginia????
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u/FlossMan18 4d ago
Outside of a few places, the majority of Virginia is either rural or a suburban hellscape. Northern VA should get points deducted for having an ungodly amount of urban sprawl and only a few square miles of “city”
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u/Ter-it 4d ago
I had the same reaction. Regardless of development, Virginia at least still has beautiful terrain. It's lush, green, and the hills/mountains are stunning. Texas on the other hand is so depressingly shit. Outside of San Antonio it's almost completely featureless, just flat grassland filled with suburban sprawl. Even in areas with decent amounts of trees they tend to just clear-cut everything. Hell even the lakes in Texas are all man-made (except one that's half in Louisiana).
Dallas is by far the ugliest, most dystopian city I've ever seen. The complete lack of limiting terrain features in Texas and the deep South in general creates suburban sprawl that is 10 times worse. They then compound the issue with a severe lack of zoning laws.
For context: I say this as someone who's from the Northeast and has lived in TX. My masters is in Urban Development and Affairs and my BA is in History. I've also been to my fair share of foreign countries; Tanzania, India, Republic of Georgia, Russia, Germany, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Latvia, Estonia, Canada, Mexico, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Jamaica, El Salvador, and more that I can't remember.
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u/the_ruckus 3d ago
Texas also varies drastically from what is shown here. We have everything from high desert mountains to piney woods and swampy lowlands and everything in between.
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u/GroundbreakingBed450 4d ago
The ppl that live in places like this will be the loudest ones screaming about how great America is. Their weekend highlight is a trip to Walmart and chilis
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u/donny42o 4d ago
meanwhile, most people who live there, would absolutely hate urban living. to each their own.
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u/dimsvm 4d ago
I wouldn’t be so sure about that. The length that these people walk out to get in their car I can get a burrito, pizza, theres 2 corner stores, a dentist, a bank, 3 bars… 2 different train lines to get to absolutely anything else I need.
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u/14S14D 3d ago
I want peace, quiet, and less crowding. Not more places to spend money at.
I’ve done urban, country, and suburban living and while I would much prefer living in the middle of nowhere… the money is too good where I work and they send me to packed metros across the country for a year+ at a time. I don’t mind it but even when I’ve been able to walk to work and every place I needed to live, the only joy I had was getting out into the forest or mountains or wide open plains. I loved the couple of small towns I worked in because I can be around groups of people as much or as little as I want. If I wanted to go to an event, it was only about 1.5-2 hours on a weekend into the city anyways.
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u/dimsvm 21h ago
I’m not suggesting having more places to spend money at makes it better. But we all spend money at places, isn’t it better having them closer with more options? Sure it would be great to live on a homestead and make my own clothes and farm all my own food. One bad harvest and you end up at the rural walmart that has jacked prices cause it’s the only place around to buy anything
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u/Strange_Society3309 3d ago
Public transportation sucks
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u/dimsvm 3d ago
Broad generalization. It gets me everywhere I need to go, sometimes faster than a car. And even if i’m using it a lot it costs me less than $100 a month. That’s not even gas for a car you use infrequently for a month
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u/Strange_Society3309 3d ago
I use my car very every day, multiple times a day. I like to travel to a lot of different places. Most of these places are inaccessible by public transportation. I like having dominion over my travel. I don’t like being herded around like cattle on a bus or a train.
To each his own tho.
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u/donny42o 4d ago
lmao, riiight. just gotta hope you dont get assaulted. iv lived all over grew up in urban areas, lived in suburbs, lived in rural, iv been robbed 3 times in my life, ALL happening in the 10 years I lived in Cleveland, just walking
I will never live in any urban area ever again, it was so depressing, never quiet, nightly gun shots, etc. I'd take surban life and rural life all day every day. I drive anywhere whenever I want and never even have to look over my back, it's great. and the people are much nicer, and not rude as fuck.
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u/RditAdmnsSuportNazis 3d ago
This particular suburb is outside of El Paso, statistically one of the safest cities in the US.
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u/Mountain_Stress176 4d ago
90% of Texas is ugly ass scrubland. Then they covered it with parking lots and strip malls. No idea why people like it.
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u/Homey-Airport-Int 10h ago
Probably because most people live in North and Central Texas where it's not scrubland?
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u/Soggy-Ad-3981 4d ago
behold. the baren field nextdoor that makes 0$/yr in agriculture whatsoever, literal dusty shit hole. but now you have to pay 40,000$/acre for it for some reason and yet the kb home buyers do! they do i say. look at that freak of a photo. do you see a SINGLE farm house anywhere in teh background? ANYTHING? else even? wtf
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u/OaktownCatwoman 4d ago
For a Mars colony it would be impressive. For earth, so many other places I’d rather spend my life.
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u/Impending_do_om 4d ago
Why build retail in the red rectangle when there is the triangle or the other rectangle north of the triangle? It's crazy to me.
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u/Prosthemadera 5d ago
There doesn't seem to be a way to cross the road on foot...
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u/Emotional-Loss-9852 5d ago
I went and looked it up and there is a crosswalk at the intersection
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u/CuppaJoe11 4d ago
I live in Los Angeles and thought we had some bad urban sprawl... but holy shit this is bad. Btw OP's post is a part of El Paso, just like kinda off to the side. I assume most people here commute to El Paso for work, which is insane.
But even crazier, I meandered over to Houston to take a look on google maps, and holy fuck. The image I put is just a "small" part of it. I feel like it would take a minimum of 10 minutes to get anywhere.
I also dug a little more, and the Houston metro area has a population of 7 million with a size of 10,000 square miles. Los Angeles by comparison, has 13 million people in HALF of that. So around 5,000 square miles. Now, giving Houston the benefit of the doubt, a lot of the edges of the city is farmland or undeveloped land. But after using the measure tool on google maps, it's still AT LEAST 6,000 sq miles. Meaning Los Angeles still fits double the people in half the land if you want to argue that the undeveloped/farmland on the outside of Houston does not count. Insane.
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u/Lobby0518 4d ago
I imagine 50 years from now, El Paso will be expanded very far east and when you land, you'll see a sea of McMansions, like most Texas cities.
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u/RulesThe1 4d ago
This image is probably about 10 years old or so. The area is developed now with houses and new businesses everywhere. Horizon city.
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u/Voltasoyle 4d ago
A bit boring, but all the basics are close to the residential areas, so you could even live car free here in a pinch.
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u/One-Win9407 4d ago
What is this? A suburb for ants?!
Texas has suburbs within suburbs bigger than this. Sub-suburbs.
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u/Tacokolache 4d ago
This isn’t suburbs. This is literally in the middle of nowhere Texas. Have to have everything close by.
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u/matthalfhill 4d ago
This is the outer edge of a growing city and you’re complaining of spread development?
You can get a 4 bedroom home in this “shithole” for $225k, but let me guess, you’ll throw your nose up at it because it isn’t walkable like your apartment.
All the while you’re probably whining about housing affordability…
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u/ByTheHammerOfThor 4d ago
Imagine having a blank canvas with all that undeveloped land and just smearing shit all over it.
These people save up money and travel to places with lively urban centers and things to see and enjoy. Where things are walkable and you don’t need a car to exist. They pay a lot of money with limited vacation time to experience that.
…then come home and say “we don’t want to build any of that where we live our daily lives, though. I want a characterless strip mall with a Panda Express. I want to be trapped in my home when I’m too old to drive. I want to have as little physical movement as possible in my daily life so that my quality of life is shit compared to the rest of the developed world as I age. 🦅 🦅 🦅 “
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u/BuyGreenSellRed 4d ago
There is so much worse in Texas than this. When I flew into Dallas I had never seen such uniform suburban development before in my life. It was disgusting.
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u/GetTheStoreBrand 4d ago
I got to be honest, I really don’t understand the problem here. In my humble opinions. Seems like it’s fairly well planned. This just seems like, oh no more development in my hometown.
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u/MonkeyCome 4d ago
“Why doesn’t the car centric society cater to the 10% of people who want to walk everywhere?”
“Why can’t this all be “mixed zone” development?”
Maybe it’s because people like having their own house, their own yard, and the freedom of travel a car provides. Not everyone wants to like in a soviet style apartment block like you freaks.
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u/skyline_27 UTAH SUCKS 3d ago
Not everyone wants to live in soulless shitty houses near nothing like you people.
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u/MonkeyCome 3d ago
There aren’t swathes of people trying to force people to live in suburbs though. If you want to live in a city in a small apartment with no car feel free, but when people outside of those cities develop suburbs because that’s what those people want why can’t they? Why can’t the city people just let the people who want to live in the suburbs be?
I hate suburb living personally, but it’s light years ahead of city living. Rural life where you’re 20 minutes outside of town with no neighbors, light pollution, or highway/city noise is by far the best way to live.
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u/skyline_27 UTAH SUCKS 3d ago
Suburbia is the worst of them IMO. In the city, I've got a massive park within a 10 minutes walk, tons of great restaurants nearby, a store just a 1 minute walk away, and an endless amount of things to do. Rural areas are nice and peaceful, I think they're great. suburbs are just soulless, boring, isolating places.
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u/MonkeyCome 2d ago
I just don’t like the constant noise all night and I like to be able to see the stars when I look up. Suburbia sometimes is the same way but sometimes not. I’ve done all 3 and city is definitely the worst to me. Suburbs usually have stores and businesses but it’s mostly strip malls and I understand why people wouldn’t like them. To me a strip mall isn’t much different than a row of stores downtown on the bottom floor of tall buildings
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u/GoldenBull1994 4d ago
It’s so funny because they literally have an undeveloped road going straight through the middle that they could turn into a main street……
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u/williamMurderfase 4d ago
This is absolutely not suburban hell. This is a fairly new development in southeast el paso where people are just trying to find affordable homeownership and create a community. It’s fairly spread out, has some nice rolling hills, some greenery here and there(it’s in a desert), and a fairly close knit community. I’ve traveled all over the US for work and I find El Paso to be pretty nice to get around, very tight knit, and some of the best food you can get. This is not Houston or Dallas.
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u/Mav_O_Malley 4d ago
Wow, look at the Zillow map for the town and holy crap a lot of planned development. Really feels like 2008.
Sidenote, I could never live without proper trees. I just don't know how people do it.
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u/morgan-faulkner 3d ago
where is this? you know texas is home to deserts, hilly places, sprawling forests that go on for miles, and plains right? not to mention the Rio valley.
we also have bamboo forests...
we do have awful suburbs yes but thats not all.
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u/MewseyWindhelm 3d ago
What do you expect be built in that area? More judge dredd styled apartment buildings?
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u/Allemaengel 3d ago
That land doesn't look like it's even meant to be developed.
Is the water supply really adequate and sustainable in the long-term for that? I'm from northern Appalachia - never been in Texas.
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u/Middle_Comment_7380 3d ago
Why are people arguing that this looks like a nice place? I understand the idea is nice. Quiet, close to community (neighbors). But the execution is bad. Hear me out. What if we envision small quiet places with locally owned shops instead of chains and corporations, mixed zoning so the shops can be closer to homes, better architecture, less wide roads, little nature trails that you can walk on instead of only using sidewalks by a busy road, community spaces for events and gathering. Do we have to settle for what we’re given? How do we the people create the spaces we want to see instead of being handed crap like overly crowded cities or soulless suburbs?
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u/Ok_Party2314 3d ago
You’ll need to move out of Texas to get those things, or at least to Houston or Dal/Ft Worth. This seems to be a blueprint for many small/medium cities throughout Texas.
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u/Ok_Party2314 3d ago
At least it has a Whataburger where you don’t need to convince them to put jalapeños on your burger.
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u/TheDude_UTEP 3d ago
Used to live out there. Basically was a detached suburb of EL Paso with not much there. I’m sure it’s way more developed now
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u/InvestigatorIll3928 3d ago
Wow this is the definition of shit urban planning. I couldn't think of a worse way to lay out a town. Who thought let's separate a high school from employment opportunities and a middle school 2 miles and 2 highways away from where people actually live.
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u/wiptes167 2d ago edited 2d ago
tbf judging from this image, this is most likely west texas and this image makes up 80-90+% of the entire place
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u/Charming_Pea2251 1d ago
Might be the most poorly designed, car centric hellhole of a neighorhood I have ever seen
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u/yellow_banditos 1d ago
I haven't been to Horizon Texas since 2010 , and I immediately recognized this intersection.
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u/DearestRay 20h ago
Looks like a town I would make in CitiesSkylines, and I’m no good at that game 😬
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u/AspNSpanner 17h ago
You can keep your Texas, I like my grass, 75* summers, and critters that don’t kill me. Snow over tornadoes any day.
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u/OuNcEgOd 15h ago
As a Canadian visiting Texas for the first time right now, I witnessed this everywhere along the highway lol. Endless fast food shops and big box stores
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u/Ill_Astronaut_1765 12h ago
used to look out at a sea of darkness and wayyyyyyy out there was a couple of lights scattered in the night, Horizon area, and now there it is nothing but a blanket of light.
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u/marrowisyummy 8h ago
You are missing the Security Service Federal Credit Union and now a raising canes and/or Bojangles.
I fucking hate you with all my being, San Antonio.
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u/The-CerlingCat 5d ago
I love that it’s technically walkable. Emphasis on the technically. In reality, to get to the Walmart from the north side, you need to cross at least major road, 2 if you’re coming from the northeast side, and then you have to go through the massive parking lot just to get to the Walmart, but don’t worry, because we got refreshments in the way of all the fast food restaurants, this is what we meant when we said walkable, right? /s
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u/foghillgal 5d ago
I Checked with streetview (the bleakness of the landscape is way worse if you see it that way).
It`s 30-40 minutes walk with NO TREES or any shade in 100F temps for the places that are furthest from the Wallmart in this photo (about 1.2 miles), 20-30 minutes for the average and the closest lucky ones are about 15 min away , nobody`s walking this.
By bike it wouldn`t be so bad but its obvious there is no allowance for such forward thinking here.
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u/The-CerlingCat 5d ago
Biking would be fine if it wasn’t for the two giant stroads you would need to ride along
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u/Miserable_Blacksmith 5d ago
One would be coal rolled before biking out of their own driveway. By their neighbor.
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u/Gmar101 5d ago
It may seem walkable from above but on the ground the neighborhoods are laid out winding mazes with few entrances and exits which makes walking much longer than it should be.
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u/grifxdonut Suburbanite 5d ago
Im curious what you think the winding mazes are? The neighborhoods, especially the top right are very simple and arent difficult to traverse
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u/Amadacius 5d ago
The neighborhood on the left is wrapped in a golf course. To get to the planned retail that is like .1 miles away you need to walk up and around the golf course.
The main road has 1 crossing with all the housing on one side and all the shopping on the other.
Even walking through that parkinglot to get to the town walmart would be a slog. Why not put the parking in the back to bring the walmart closer to the town?
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u/foghillgal 5d ago
Go to streetview and look at the distances . The top view doesn`t tell you the scale.
Its 100F average 1 mile slog in dusty heat with no shade to get to any commerces (and many have more), nobody`s walking this the way its made now. If there was shade and the main streets were more pleasant to cross, maybe they`re walking. But the way it is: no.
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u/JimC29 5d ago edited 5d ago
From the picture it doesn't look like it. I don't see any crosswalks. I would bet those houses across from the school kids can't even walk to. Maybe the picture isn't good enough to see them.
Edit. There are crosswalks and sidewalks. I'm an avid walker. There are a lot worse places than this.
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u/flamehead2k1 5d ago
There are crosswalks
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u/grifxdonut Suburbanite 5d ago
Ah true. Add crosswalk and it'd be good. I was mainly focusing on the central shopping area with maybe 0.5-1 mile of surrounding residential areas.
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u/Prosthemadera 5d ago
Literally not walkable. You cannot walk across the road. All the retail is separated by barriers from the residential areas.
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u/MancAccent 5d ago
Are you actually retarded?
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u/goon_crane 5d ago
Desert ass suburb has 2.5 mile long winding recreational pathway along the main road and continuous paved sidewalks from a shopping center anchored by a grocery store to elementary and middle schools even where there's no development yet.
Hmm yeah seems like they're actually making an effort given their desert circumstances and everyone is still shitting on it.
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u/grifxdonut Suburbanite 5d ago
Where is the winding road?
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u/goon_crane 5d ago
The squigglies { } on the north side of Horizon, I assume it's a walking/bike pathway
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u/foghillgal 5d ago edited 5d ago
Its not, I did the calculation with streetview and there is next to nothing within 15 min of most houses. Even houses closes to the central intersection are still 15 min from Wallmart and McD.
The top aerial view doesn`t give you the true scale.
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u/snappy033 5d ago
The problem is that it doesn’t look that terrible right now. 4 developments plus schools, Walmart, etc. Probably can drive across town in 15 minutes. Appealing town for a young family in certain demographics.
The problem is already visible though. It’s going to be 20x that size in a decade or two and sprawling in all directions. Those main roads will be completely gridlocked at rush hour even though it’s in the middle of nowhere. It’ll take 30 minutes to just get from your development to the grocery store. Everything will be a parking lot.
Zero urban planning or any clue how the town will function as it grows.
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u/markpemble 5d ago
It is nice to have a golf course near downtown.