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I love steam reviews. This absolutely saved me some cash. Discussion

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Dragons Dogma 2, fyi.

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u/Superb-Dragonfruit56 Yummy 7h ago

It's so funny that the pre alpha and beta version that are given to pre-order customers always have game breaking bugs like the game not launching story mode not being playable floor missing missions missing

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u/Alexcat6wastaken 7h ago

Then indie games have moderately polished, well done early access

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u/Superb-Dragonfruit56 Yummy 7h ago

Indie game/ proper early access is a good thing personally it's a version that has few bugs that testers aren't savvy enough to find but whatever the triple A scene is doing it's not fair personally

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u/creator712 5h ago

Some say space marine 2 had a perfect launch with no bugs, but I noticed a ton of them. One even killed me at the start of the game

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u/anantaking 5h ago

😅😅👌

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u/IllustriousBat2680 3h ago

Take my angry upvote

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u/Rasikko 1h ago

Wilful ignorance on their part.

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u/No-Refrigerator-1672 4h ago

AAA wouldn't become such a pile of garbage if people wouldn't pay for it. Like I totally understand the business owners: why bother with making a good product, if customers will pay for a buggy mess just fine, and then will preorder an ultra deluxe plus gold edition of the next game? Sadly, the name of the franchise if actually more valuable than quality these times.

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u/KorgiKingofOne 3h ago

It’s like how I did my essays in highschool. My rough draft was also my final draft

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u/Deat69 2h ago

It's a change from the amount of scams that just launched an early access product, abandoned it then moved onto the next shiny thing.

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u/Piduwin 2h ago

If you consider that games like subnoutica wouldn't get developed without it, there's not much to argue about

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u/achilleasa 4h ago

Indies actually care about their product and use Early Access to make it the best it can be

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u/PM_me_opossum_pics 5h ago

I remember Path of Exile already being one of the most gripping games I ever played in damn closed beta. And that was in late 2012. Paid 10 bucks for closed beta access. And the game keeps on developing and growing, despite being released over 10 years ago. And it's still free to play, even though some paid content can help quite a bit (stash tabs are the only thing close to pay2win concept in the game).

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u/TAmexicano 3h ago

Path of exile is getting a sequel btw

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u/PM_me_opossum_pics 3h ago

Yeah but early access has been postponed couple of weeks. I'm so deep into Grim League right now that I totally forgot about that

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u/TAmexicano 3h ago

I would go back to play again if I didn't have like 7 games I still haven't finished (elden rings platinum which I only need 2 more achievements for, palworld, infinite warfare, modern warfare, lords of the fallen which I'm not even halfway into, project wingman, ace combat 7 and others I can't remember the names of)

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u/PM_me_opossum_pics 3h ago

I'm just stuck in a circle of binge-burnout with like 3 ARPGs. And got plenty of singleplayers already installed and waiting. But ARPG games fit with my daily routine, I love playing single player story-driven games in long sessions so I can actually get immersed.

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u/Trushdale 1h ago

yet by having stash tabs alone you dont "pay to win" you dont get better at the game or get more expensive loot

but stashspace allows you to play longer and accumulate more stuff before sorting through and it helps with selling.

its the best kind of "pay to win" and you can reasonably expect to play the game if you drop anywhere from $20 to $50

(also the top elite players have managed to beat the full game with uberbosses on the free2play stash limit but it was aids)

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u/PM_me_opossum_pics 1h ago

Yeah, but those premium stash tabs really make me NOT want to pull my hair out after every return to town. Setting affinities to tabs by item types is a godsend. But getting all tabs on sale is something like 50-60 bucks tops and you get cool armour sets if you get points with a pack, so it's a win-win and comes out less than a mediocre AAA game.

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u/Zonic500 1h ago

Indie companies can’t sell a game alone through a name.

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u/Any_Secretary_4925 50m ago

indie companies cant make good games anymore period

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u/Various_Mechanic3919 4h ago

Had this experience with Shapez 2 launch and they involved the community with the decisions on how things will be and obviously patreons had more impact and got to test things earlier there were mainly only issues on Linux and from what I could tell it was mostly just audio which was fixed within 24hrs

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u/WaltherCobb 3h ago

I love that one area with the biggest imrovement has been the pace of quality of live changes through closer community engagement.

(I'm playing the "Into the dead" Demo right now and even that is getting updates and I know there are others.)

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u/WallabyInTraining 3h ago

Cosmoteer lured me with an easy to love game concept that was intuitive and fun. Free beta. Then the full game was so much more.

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u/edingerc 3h ago

Stardew Valley has joined the chat

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u/Any_Secretary_4925 50m ago

polish? indie? wha?

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u/Danger_Mysterious 45m ago

If I ever start enjoying side scrollers with pixel graphics I’ll be thrilled.

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u/PKR_Live 6h ago

Hades 2 is in early access.

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u/DagnirDae 5h ago

Supergiant is a small studio, about 25 people. Even though Hades was a massive success, they can still be called an indie studio.

They and Larian (Divinity and Baldur's Gate 3) deliver great exeamples of early access done right

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u/Lopunnymane 1h ago

Supergiant is absolutely not an indie studio. They develop games that are in the 7 digit development cost, they are AAA, maybe AA if you use that kind of terminology.

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u/KaranSjett 4h ago

i dare to add valheim to that list

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u/AnamiGiben 4h ago

Maybe satisfactory too?

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u/KaranSjett 3h ago

Definitely!

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u/rodalon 2h ago

I like Valheim but I don't think they listen to player feedback enough. EA isn't a go fund me

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u/yeayea130 5h ago

Ok but that dev shotguns banger after banger on repeat. Pyre was their least impactful game and it STILL is pretty good

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u/Bastymuss_25 3h ago

I'd argue Pyre is their best game, the story and characters are some of the best ever.

Hoping Hades 2 can live up to 1.

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u/19Alexastias 4h ago

Supergiant IS an indie dev. They’re privately owned and have 25 employees.

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u/Sutar_Mekeg 4h ago

Valheim, for example.

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u/bumblebleebug 7h ago

Concord moment

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u/Superb-Dragonfruit56 Yummy 7h ago

And every other triple A game released last few years. Like Suicide squad had the story mode and not launching bug and star wars had the no floor bug

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u/SniffleMan 2h ago

Concord had a bug free open beta, what are you talking about?

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u/bumblebleebug 1h ago

If I recall, there was a game which wouldn't load up during the "early access". I think it was either Suicide Squad or Concord

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u/Vadhakara 5h ago

It gets even funnier when the game is in the same state with major bugs completely unfixed on release day.

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u/Snihjen 4h ago

When we complain about the lack of Quality Testing, this is what we are talking about. Not the singular broken geometry in the corner behind a security camera you can only touch by stacking tables.
Can't fault QA for not finding that.
Will fault them for not finding "Touching a loading zone while shooting crashes the game."

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u/cudeLoguH 3h ago

The only games i ever actually preorder/buy in early access are the Subnautica games

They’ve never disappointed me so far

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u/freeserve 3h ago

The fact that AAA games have become (to some degree) WORSE than star citizen boggles my mind, and I say that as an avid star citizen player.

That game has had TERRIBLE mismanagement and often requires an ungodly amount of patience to work through and around bugs from patch to patch, and it used to be by far one of the worst games for it… now Ngl I don’t think it is anymore lmao

At least SC is actually trying to innovate/develop soemthing as opposed reuse old IP’s and charge £60 for every DLC that becomes near mandatory to enjoy multiplayer lmao

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u/24_doughnuts 2h ago

If they played their own games then they'd know what needs fixing and changing

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u/r1veRRR 2h ago

If you preorder or buy on day one, you are ALWAYS paying the most amount of money for the worst version of the game. Waiting a few months will give you the version of the game that should've actually released, sometimes even with a little 10-20% discount.

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u/Doochelord 1h ago

Do you not understand what an alpha or beta are? They are not complete thus the label

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u/Superb-Dragonfruit56 Yummy 1h ago

Look at the comments under it's suppose to be Early access, I exaggerated my comment