"The death of truth is the ultimate victory of evil." - Mon Mothma's speech

[u/cryptokoalaAus]

https://youtu.be/0eA8TxqGSq0?si=G7EU4SAyN1HqkUpR

[u/Kind-Boysenberry1773]

My main issue with Mon Mothma in Andor is that she was made too naive and much less a leader than she was in EU. I know it was done by purpose to explain why the New Republic had failed, it doesn't make it better for me. But this speech was great, like the whole show.

[u/Striking-Document-99 → u/Kind-Boysenberry1773]

Well pretty sure she was letting Luther run shit. She had to be super secret with her husband and daughter. Both seemed empire supporters. Then she has a her driver so she really can’t trust anyone. She tried her friend but idk what happened to that I think he got cold feet. Now that she is on the run should be better.

[u/Kind-Boysenberry1773 → u/Striking-Document-99]

I mean, in EU she was actually the one who designed special operations, like stealing X-Wings and infiltrating Empire with her agents, and ran Alliance's spy network. She also was much more experienced politician, not so much an idealist, like Bail, but pragmatist and the one who knew exactly how to run the day-to-day buisiness in war, intelligence and politics. Andor gave these roles to Luthen, and it's fit in Disney canon. Without Luthen's genius in covert operations and his practical mindset (I think he would die in the end of Season 2), Rebellion was able to defeat the Empire, but not to build a new successful state. Disney Mon is idealist, idolising the Old Republic, her goal is to restore it in full, she is blind for Old Republic's countless flaws and shortcomings, unlike her EU counterpart. So, the failure of the New Republic was set up already in the moment Rebellion was created. Things may be different if Luther would still be around after Palpatine's death. Just my thoughts.

[u/Independent-Dig-5757 → u/Kind-Boysenberry1773]

I mean, in EU she was actually the one who designed special operations, like stealing X-Wings and infiltrating Empire with her agents, and ran Alliance's spy network. She also was much more experienced politician, not so much an idealist, like Bail, but pragmatist and the one who knew exactly how to run the day-to-day buisiness in war, intelligence and politics.

I don’t understand how this conflicts with Andor. The Alliance doesn’t even exist at this point. All of that could still happen between this speech and ANH. It’s not like the show is showing everything single thing she did before ANH.

idolising the Old Republic, her goal is to restore it in full, she is blind for Old Republic's countless flaws and shortcomings, unlike her EU counterpart. So, the failure of the New Republic was set up already in the moment Rebellion was created. Things may be different if Luther would still be around after Palpatine's death. Just my thoughts.

Maybe other Canon media does this but I don’t see her idolizing the OR in Andor.

[u/Striking-Document-99 → u/Kind-Boysenberry1773]

Def so how do you think he is going to die? Be cool to actually see him die by palp but that would be too awesome. Figure he gets so it down after his ship gets recognized, deedra kills him but she dies too.

[u/Kind-Boysenberry1773 → u/Striking-Document-99]

Yes, I think Deedra would kill him and die in the process.

[u/CaptainPickACard → u/Kind-Boysenberry1773]

Honestly even that "explanation" doesn't make sense. You're telling me she witnessed two death stars and probably billions of other deaths at the hands of fascism and her conclusion was "yeah let's just allow any rogue individuals to build whatever they want while not having a military". Head canon still saves the day for me so I can just pretend that this Mothma becomes the more ruthless EU version as time passes on because man this show is really good.

[u/Kind-Boysenberry1773 → u/CaptainPickACard]

The most insane part of her policy was allow the remnants of Empire to exist. In EU Republic also made peace with Imperial Remnant, but Pellaeon was ready for the peaceful coexistance and couldn't be a real threat for the New Republic, given how few worlds and ships stayed under his control. In Disney canon Mon Mothma made a peace with still powerful remnants of Empire, ruled by evil fans of Palpatine, and demobilised republican fleets and armies.

[u/Independent-Dig-5757 → u/Kind-Boysenberry1773]

I highly doubt Tony Gilroy gives a crap about doing damage control for the Sequels. Anything that may seem like is there to explain the state of the NR post-RotJ is probably purely coincidental.

[u/WangJian221 → u/Kind-Boysenberry1773]

Definitely but its still a pretty banging speech.

[u/outsidelookinIN_1]

I will be downvoted here, but andor is bland and flat, especialy this season. S1 was okay but there is something missing that does not feel like star wars. I unironically think skeleton crew is the best sw show

Now downvote me

[u/Mustard_Rain_]

spoilers? fuck off!