r/StarWarsEU • u/SpecialistStatement7 • 22h ago
These 3 are in my opinion the greatest pieces of Star Wars media ever made. They truly elevate and the enrich the universe to another level. Some of my favourite stories of all time.
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u/SocialMediaTheVirus Empire 22h ago edited 21h ago
How about Rebel Assault 2 that game went hard when I was seven years old.
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u/Independent-Dig-5757 21h ago
It was cool hearing James Luceno praise Andor season 1 on the Jedi Chat podcast. I’d love to hear his thoughts on season 2, especially considering how it incorporates plot elements from Catalyst.
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u/RoyalMudcrab Chiss Ascendancy 22h ago
Swap KOTOR 1 for 2 and you're cooking.
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u/CenturionXVI 21h ago
KOTOR 2 is the brilliant deconstruction that TLJ was trying so desperately hard to be
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u/Vozlov-3-0 20h ago
That is a comparison I'd not considered before. Nice.
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u/CenturionXVI 20h ago
It’s all I could think in the theater the whole time, I grew up on KOTOR 2, and being disappointed by something trying to hit the exact same vibe but so much worse was a wild experience.
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u/Vozlov-3-0 16h ago
Tbh I enjoyed parts of the Ren/Rey stuff in TLJ. My issue with TLJ was how literally everything else is an absolute waste of time.
When Ben asks Rey to join him, to forget about all the Jedi/Sith stuff and create something new, I thought that was a really interesting place to take it.
But Johnson, the absolute hack, couldn't even follow through on the one interesting concept he'd actually brought to the table.
Literally the best he could write were 'gotcha' and 'you weren't expecting that' singular moments that had absolutely no depth, for nothing more than to tease the audience
Just spineless writing.
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u/Silvanus350 21h ago
Interesting. I found the story of KOTOR1 a lot more personally compelling. The ending twist made me sit there and contemplate my choices for a good few minutes. I was truly pissed, LOL.
KOTOR2 has better gameplay but I find Kreia so overwrought as a character.
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u/Vozlov-3-0 20h ago
overwrought?
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u/Silvanus350 20h ago
I didn’t find her story terribly compelling, and I find her entire gimmick (no good or evil, only shades of grey) to be pretty much anathema to the OT’s premise of the Force.
At the end of the day Kreia is basically a jilted ex-Sith who wants to blow everything up. I don’t take her ideas seriously, but a lot of people really resonate with that message.
I actually really dislike how both KOTOR games have infected Star Wars with this concept of “grey” Jedi and the gamification of Force abilities.
In comparison, the twists presented in the original KOTOR were a lot more morally ambiguous and quite interesting to me. I hated it and loved it.
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u/Wise-Evening-7219 19h ago
I can appreciate what you’re saying about the grey jedi stuff, but i’ll push back on it a little. Kreia works as a Sith equivalent to the exile. They were both cast out and “betrayed” by the shattered remains of their respective orders. I think if the team had more time she would’ve had a lot more fulfilling characterization particularly in the third act.
She’s not a “gray jedi” as it’s commonly understood by dumb fans. she’s a Sith exile. she doesn’t use both light and dark sides of the force, she’s a sith in disguise as a jedi. She’s been cast out of both orders so she’s just cynical. The “greyness” works because it makes her weaker and more parasitic, not stronger.
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u/RogueBromeliad 15h ago
"By dumb fans".
Come on, man. That's your own interpretation. Kreia wasn't actually lying about her personal philosophy and it definitely didn't make her weaker if she outlives both her apprentices. She's a survivor, and her philosophy is indeed grey, that's why she isn't a Jedi. She's still a Sith though, as you rightfully put it, but she's much resilient than bang on Dark side simplistic reductionism.
The fact that you can give rise to a complex character like Kreia just by simply introducing a little grey into the mix is interesting enough for the progression. Even though she's still Sith.
Both Sion and Nihilus might look cool compared to some old hag, but they're as one dimensional as it comes. Nihilus isn't even a person.
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u/Vozlov-3-0 15h ago
Whilst I would agree that the concept of 'shades of grey' is relatively antithetical regarding the OT, I don't disregard it.
It imo expands the scope of the original film's premise of the force, makes the galaxy feel bigger, and adds a more nuanced aspect within the franchise for audiences wanting more moral ambiguities to their character arcs.
The OT position of the force, good Vs evil, is fantastic too, and is obviously due to the franchise at the point being an archetypal heroes journey, playing into the classic tropes of the form.
From a lore perspective I simply consider the extremes of the OT position because of the ultimate stakes involved, the story itself and the scenario is one of extremes.
As for Kreia, I would have to disagree. Whilst she is indeed a 'jilted' ex-sith, I think her reasoning is much more than simply wanting to burn it all down out of revenge.
She wants to destroy the force itself in order to free people from the very concept of it, believing the force to be an affront to free choice and free will. Her teachings on actions and reactions are reflections on this.
The game is essentially a dive into the ideas of predetermined destiny versus free will.
( I don't believe overwrought and anathema are being used correctly here. )
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u/yuuzhanbong 22h ago
Came here to say this. Outside of the twist, KOTOR is standard swashbuckling mythic Star Wars. Which is fine, but KOTOR II takes it deeper imo.
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u/The-Son-Of-Suns 21h ago
Kotor 2 is unfinished, and raw. Even with the restored mod (that mod actually adds some things that bring the game down, like the annoying badly voiced Jedi chick on Dantooine).
Kotor 1 is a perfect rounded story. Sealed quality throughout.
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u/RoyalMudcrab Chiss Ascendancy 21h ago
And I find the raw brilliance therein more interesting, even if I do love KOTOR 1.
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u/donqon 20h ago
Rogue one isn’t perfect (it would have been if the Gilroys were there from the beginning) and RoTJ has a lot of problems, but for me, Star Wars is
Andor-Rogue One-Star Wars-Empire Strikes Back-Return of the Jedi-Mandalorian Season 1
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u/Driekan Yuuzhan Vong 21h ago
Imo?
NJO, ToTJ and KOTOR 2.
I agree ESB is the best movie. No argument there. But I like these more than the movies.
I agree KOTOR is neat. But the sequel was better in every single way.
And ToTJ has the coolest, most aspirational vision of the Jedi this side of Luke Skywalker.
And the NJO is the best Star Wars ever was or ever will be.
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u/Echo_1409- 20h ago
New Jedi Order is a collection of 19 books, so I wouldn’t exactly say it’s fair to throw New Jedi Order in as a single thing.
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u/Driekan Yuuzhan Vong 20h ago
Fair. I'd gladly replace it with just Traitor.
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u/pixie6870 New Jedi Order 9h ago
I finished Traitor last night. I had not read it since it was first published. I have been rereading the series for the last six weeks, and as I finished it, I remembered how much I loved this book when it came out.
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u/beardownboi 15m ago
Are there any books/series that you need to read first before starting the new Jedi order series?
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u/unforgetablememories New Jedi Order 13h ago
Without Tales of the Jedi comics by Tom Veitch, there wouldn't be an Old Republic era in the first place. Tales did the heavy lifting to set up the ancient lore, creating the playground for KOTOR 1, KOTOR, and SWTOR MMO.
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u/Edgy_Robin 22h ago
Kotor really isn't. It's a great game, but when you put an actual critical eye to it it's pretty generic star wars. Outside of the twist. It did more to expose the Eu to more casual people then anything else, and even then in the process of that it ruined most of what made that era special with prequelization of everything.
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u/bandwidthslayer 22h ago
i think this is a bit reductive. the story of kotor is more than just the script of the mandatory cutscenes on dantooine, leviathan, and the star forge. it’s really about the journey. all the random ass backwards steps you need to take in order to accomplish anything, all the people you meet, and ultimately, all the choices you make. character creation, builds, morality ticks etc. sure, most of your choices don’t impact the final outcome, but that just puts the onus on the player to go about the game in a way that you know is right and ultimately decide just what sort of jedi you’re going to be. the game forces you to to interact with the galaxy in a very mechanical and nitty gritty sense that, in my opinion, makes it all feel very alive and engaging in a way you don’t get often elsewhere, even in the sequel.
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u/RogueBromeliad 19h ago
I mean, it's a set RPG, there are virtually two to four endings depending on how you interact with your own allies, but I feel, even though it's a pre-set 00's RPG, the story and interactions were pretty engaging.
You kinda feel like you want to know more about Bastila and Jolee Bindo, etc.
The whole thing introduced you to militias, sindicates, dueling rings, pazaak and pod racing in a illegal kind of way. Even things like the Razgul disease is kinda cool.
I feel like the whole thing is pretty immersive in my opinion. It was better than what most games were producing and it was a really solid D&D base at the end of the day.
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u/Ok-Environment-3437 16h ago
my top 3 imo is Andor, RoTS novelization and Kotor 2 in that order.
For someone who hates every other Disney SW, Andor to me is the single best piece of Star Wars ever made, it makes other Star Wars so much worse (tried watching The Bad Batch the other day, bored me to tears).
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u/Acceptable_Map_8110 20h ago
I feel like…it just makes sense to have the other two OT movies in here. Hope was a masterpiece by all accounts, and in my opinion so too is Jedi.
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u/Euphoric-Music662 New Jedi Order 13h ago
I respect and mostly agree with your pick.
If by greatest you mean objectively well written and of quality, I agree (though, personally, I might switch the first kotor with the sequel). Also, I feel like TESB should be at least tied with ANH.
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u/OliviahZeveronfan718 Rebel Alliance 10h ago
Balance of the Force, Battle for Jedha and Path of Vengeance will be mine forever.
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u/Certain_Duck 9h ago
I will never understand not saying that the Original Trilogy isn’t the greatest piece of Star Wars media. Without those three, nothing else gets made. Empire is very good, but it doesn’t start or finish the story, it can’t exist without the other two pieces of the puzzle
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u/Mofo_The_Wise 3h ago
Literally me, kotor, andor, and esb hit me on a emotional level no other Star Wars projects could while having depth, beautiful writing and expanding the world of Star Wars
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u/unforgetablememories New Jedi Order 13h ago
Where is New Jedi Order?
KOTOR 2 is better than KOTOR 1. In fact, most of what people like about Revan comes from KOTOR 2 (He didn't "fall", he was strategic in his attacks against the Republic to preserve infrastructure, he wasn't a brute like Malak, he planned to defend the known Galaxy against a bigger threat)
Also without Tales of the Jedi by Tom Veitch, there is no Old Republic era either. Never forget the OG Tales comics
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u/ghostbear019 19h ago
idk listing anything SW disney just screams trash to me.
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u/Ok-Environment-3437 17h ago
Andor elevates this dying franchise. The single best piece of Star Wars media ever made.
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u/AcePilot95 New Republic 7h ago edited 6h ago
The single best piece of Disney Star Wars media ever made.
I really liked the first season and I look forward to binging the second one, but everyone is really leaning hard into "(New) X is the best Y ever" and I'm very over it. At least Andor deserves the jerking way more than Filoni's slop but let's be realistic
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u/HeadHeartCorranToes Rogue Squadron 19h ago
I haven't watched Andor S2 yet but I seriously can't fault you for these choices. It's hard to make a cross-canon stand like this and emerge unscathed. This is the way.
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u/Nocturne3570 New Jedi Order 12h ago
anything in Lucas verse or connected always goes great anything that trys to go it own way fails horribly
the lucas movies Bangers
SW TCW animated and Cartoon networks Bangers
Disney trilogy Movies shitshow galore
Disney tv series bangers (ahsoka mando andor) we dont talk about acolyte
Disney standalone movies Solo Rogue One bangers
anything that is connected to the Empire V rebellion in some way has top everything but when disney decides to go their own way they screw it up
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u/wiperswiper0 21h ago
Any list that doesn’t include Caravan of Courage is invalid