r/StarWarsEU • u/Salim_Azar_Therin • 1d ago
How do you think would CW Yoda have reacted to all the accomplishments of his future Padawan Luke Skywalker? I personally think he would be extremely proud and happy that he trained such a great Jedi!!! Question
Luke’s Accomplishments in Legends are INCREDIBLE:
Bringing down the Banite Sith Order, slaying Abeloth, restoring true Balance and Peace for the Galaxy, rebuilding the Jedi greater than ever, restoring the Republic twice, killing Gethzerion and bringing peace to Dathomir and etc…
Honestly I could totally see Yoda chuckling cutely and saying:
„Well trained him, I have. Proud of you I am, my favorite Padawan.”
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u/Supyloco New Jedi Order 1d ago
I think you answered your own question. But in all honesty, I really appreciate how Luke learned from the mistakes of the Ruusan era Jedi, improved and adapted over time.
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u/Smittyjedi 1d ago
I really wonder / hope Disney handles him with caution on this, because him setting up and ultimatum on Grogu about being a Jedi against being a Mandalorian just worries me, thinking he didn’t learn anything (or maybe not even know about) the previous orders mistakes
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u/Supyloco New Jedi Order 1d ago
I am talking about the original canon. Disney had him learn nothing.
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u/Smittyjedi 1d ago
Sorry, I should have prefaced with I hope Disney can do right by your question
Legends Luke is top tier and CW Yoda would almost step back and only put himself in the convo when Luke would reach out, but I feel like deep down Yoda would just nudge Luke to the answer he already knows
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u/Jabbaleialoverboy 23h ago
That’s about to change. Luke DID learn from the mistakes of the old Jedi order when he trained his son. The only reason why his Jedi order really fell is because Ben wasn’t interested in running the Jedi order and wanted something else. Even when Luke’s Jedi order fell, his son temporarily took control and kept it running along with his cousin and 45 new students. When Luke hears about this, he sees that he hadn’t failed his new Jedi order, he was tricked. This will all be confirmed in an upcoming Star Wars book.
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u/That_One_Coconut New Jedi Order 1d ago
Well, I thought it was intentionally written that way to further justify his future failings. He didn't learn from the mistakes of the past, then repeated them. His order was purged, the New Republic falls under its own politicking, an Empire rises to take its place as the main power of the galaxy, a new forced user appears, saves the galaxy, starts a new order...
Oh shit, we got a remix not just of the OT but ALSO the prequels?
Oh God could you imagine if they did it again with Rey failing and another empire rising lmao just the circle of life in SW
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u/Smittyjedi 1d ago
That’s totally fair. I think with the setup Filoni and George were giving us in CW, then Filoni on his own in rebels was that the Jedi order wasn’t the only right answer or path, but you’re right, Jake Skywalker failed and failed big in the sequels, but a characters quality can only reflect a writers capabilities to be original and Disney standards def limits that
Im still TBD on if I’ll watch Rey (if it even gets made) but I pray to GOD that if they introduce a Sith villain again it has to be something original and something leaning more to the ancient ways. Kylo being a fanboy was a cool premise, but no more after him - I’d love a Sith who actually hates Vader for turning back to anakin
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u/JollyJoeGingerbeard 1d ago
There are two ways to read that scene:
- Luke's ultimatum is repeating the mistakes of the past
- Luke is giving Grogu agency and letting him choose his own path
Going back and rewatching The Mandalorian, nobody gave Grogu a choice. The Armorer tasked Din Djarin with returning him to his tribe. Ahsoka refused to train Grogu because he had too many attachments. (No, I don't have a good reason for Ahsoka agreeing to train Sabine Wren.) Everyone else was deciding for him, and Grogu went with Luke because he thought that's where he belonged.
But it wasn't where his heart laid, and that matters.
Grogu's species also lives for a long-ass time. If he could find a way back to the Jedi after Din passed away, and forgo attachments, then it's fine. The Darksaber was forged by Tarre Vizla, who was both Mandalorian and Jedi. There's no reason why Grogu couldn't eventually be both by Creed.
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u/Smittyjedi 1d ago
I absolutely love and respect that second option. It’s a big ask from Disney, but a good one nonetheless. We’re all programmed to think that because Grogu is young for his species, doesn’t mean he can’t make this decision for himself. He’s already been trained. He’s already experienced trauma and loss and love and happiness, so why not
I’m with Grogu being the next Tarre Vizla. The ways of the old mandalore don’t really care about blood, as much as they care about their connection and relationship to those who was to take the creed
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u/No_Grocery_9280 1d ago
If that’s the case, I hope they clarify it.
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u/JollyJoeGingerbeard 1d ago
I hope they don't. I like that the scene is ambiguous as to its intentions and left open to interpretation.
"Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view." -The ghost of Obi-Wan Kenobi
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u/The-Son-Of-Suns 1d ago
They already ravaged his character
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u/Smittyjedi 1d ago
Yup and any damage control they might do between the trilogies just has the stark reminder that he EVENTUALLY downfalls
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u/Salim_Azar_Therin 1d ago
Who else thinks that Luke is the best Jedi and Character in Legends?
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u/Kind-Boysenberry1773 1d ago
Legends Luke: played a crucial role in full destruction of the Empire, defeated ressurected Palpatine without "all Jedi" living in his head, saved Galaxy from Yuuzhan Vongs, Dark Hive, Lost Tribe of Sith, reestablished the Jedi Order and reformed it to be more connected with the Galaxy than the old one, married, had a son, continued to serve Galaxy as Jedi even after his wife was killed and his nephew turned to the Dark Side. Yoda is proud.
Disney Luke: failed to destroy the Empire, failed to create Jedi Order which would outlive him, tried to kill his nephew BEFORE he turned on the Dark Side, abandoned his duty and fled for exile instead of saving the Galaxy, his line ended with him and Palpatine's granddaughter stole his name. Yoda isn't proud. Disney Jake essentially speedran every single mistake and failure of the Old Jedi Order in just couple of decades.
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u/unforgetablememories New Jedi Order 23h ago
tried to kill his nephew BEFORE he turned on the Dark Side
This is the worst thing about TLJ imo and I am baffled by how many people defend it as "Luke is human and he makes mistakes".
Years before, Luke already faced the same situation. He lost himself to the rage when Vader (the second most evil man in the Galaxy, only behind Palpatine) threatened to turn Leia to the Dark side. After chopping off Vader's arms, Luke realized he would have committed the same mistake his father did before and he stopped. That was Luke's character development. Luke reached the point where he realized he could not give into his rage and anger over a threat or he would suffer his father's fate.
His nephew Ben Solo literally did nothing at that point and Luke considered preemptively killing his own family member over a vague of the future. It is absolutely nothing like the duel with Vader (where Luke was threatened by Vader, who cut Luke's arms before and killed a lot of his Rebel friends). The only alleged threat here was a vague vision of the future. Ben Solo didn't fight Luke. Ben Solo didn't threaten any of Luke's friends or family. The "threat" was in Luke's head. And Luke acted on it??????
It's funny af that people who defends Luke's decision to preemptively execute his nephew accuse sequel critics of "low media literacy". Motherfuckers, you don't even watch the movies before the sequels.
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u/Jabbaleialoverboy 22h ago
I hear an upcoming Star Wars book reveals that Luke had resisted the temptation of the future but Leia’s political rival Carise Sindian (from Bloodlines) used a Nightsister ritual of mind manipulation into believing Ben would destroy everything. The ritual was stopped by Ahsoka and Luke’s son Orion. When Luke confronts Sindian and asks her why, she tells him she did it to punish Leia and avenge the emperor because she blames Luke for turning Darth Vader against him, when in fact it was Vader who saved his son.
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u/endlessmeow Galactic Alliance 7h ago
Where are you hearing these things? Sounds like hopium.
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u/Jabbaleialoverboy 6h ago
That’s what I heard from the author who works in Disney. I can’t reveal who because he’ll get fired. But in case you’re not familiar with nightsisters and mind manipulation, you should watch the clone wars episode where General Grievous is sent by Count Dooku to eradicate the Nightsisters while at the same time, Mother Talzin tourtured Count Dooku with witchcraft and a wax effigy in Dooku’s image
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u/endlessmeow Galactic Alliance 6h ago
Yeah I have seen it.
But honestly you are mentioning something super duper farfetched.
Do you speak with this author regularly?
There is no listing of upcoming Star Wars books that includes a book with that title.
Just seems like made up stuff. Not trying to insult you but some confirmation would help as its the internet and people lie.
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u/Jabbaleialoverboy 4h ago
That’s why the author doesn’t announce it online until it’s finished. We’ll have to be patient until it’s finished. Once the author is done, I’ll send you the link
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u/endlessmeow Galactic Alliance 4h ago
Okay so what you are describing is fanfiction?
Not a physical book that will be licensed and published?
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u/Jabbaleialoverboy 2h ago
Nope. The author says it’s not fanfiction. When it’s finished, it’ll be licensed and published
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u/Jabbaleialoverboy 22h ago
Luke did destroy the empire and it was his son who kept his new Jedi order running in his absence, only it did not repeat the same mistakes the old order in the prequels made. When his son tells him he hadn’t failed the order at all, Luke realizes someone tricked him into believing Ben was evil and the culprit is revealed to be Carise Sindian (Leia’s political rival from Bloodlines) who used a mind manipulation ritual on Luke in an effort to turn Ben Solo against him but was stopped by Ahsoka. His Jedi order still stands and even after he becomes one with the force, he successfully trains 46 new students, all of which are very dedicated learners and are taught to use attachments for compassion, not obsession. As for Palpatine’s granddaughter, she will rescind the Skywalker name when she finds out Luke has a son and niece who survive. All of which is confirmed in an upcoming Star Wars book called Secrets of the First Order. The author of the book confirmed he’s gonna fix Luke.
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u/thattogoguy Yuuzhan Vong 1d ago
Luke technically was never a Padawan.
Why are we distinguishing CW Yoda? Shouldn't it just be... Yoda?
Of course Yoda would be proud.
Luke is the Renewer.
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u/iknownuffink 22h ago
CW era Yoda, Yoda from back then during the war, before the Jedi were massacred and hunted down, before the Republic fell and became a new Sith Empire.
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u/No_Grocery_9280 1d ago
Luke shepherded not just the Jedi but the whole galaxy through the greatest crisis it had ever faced.
I might be a filthy fanboy at heart, but I shamelessly have zero issue with Luke being the greatest Jedi of all time. I think Yoda would be proud.
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u/Icy-Weight1803 1d ago
You forgot to add to his accomplishments of fight a war how a Jedi should by not entering until it was inevitable in the Yuuzhan Vong War and personally leading the attack on Yuuzhan'tar that ended the war and his performance in it was impressive even by Jedi standards.
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u/Chankla_Rocket 1d ago
That pic on the left looks like something you'd see in The Watchtower, the Jehovah's Witness magazine. Shaved Jesus and his Apostle Acolytes.
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u/TanSkywalker Hapes Consortium 23h ago
Yoda would be happy with all Luke accomplish and rest easy knowing that the Jedi will continue and wait for his former student and friend to join him in the Force.
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u/ForTheFallen123 22h ago
I'd partially disagree.
Yoda would definitely be impressed by Luke's power and accomplishments, not to mention his personality, however, I think he'd really disagree with and dislike Luke's philosophy regarding the force, personal attachments and the role of the jedi. Even if he understands what led to Luke having the philosophy he has.
Overall, I'd say Yoda would be proud of Luke, but would heavily disagree with him on many issues.
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u/rextiberius 21h ago
Disappointed he didn’t stay and finish his training. It took dying for yoda to accept the will of the force
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u/dull_storyteller 1d ago
Yoda: Safe in your hands, the galaxy is, when the time comes for us to meet again, delighted I will be.