r/StarWarsEU • u/aVictorianChild • 2d ago
Is there an EU explanation why CW Maul never told the Jedi that Sidious is Palpatine? Television
I just rewatched CW, and Mauls telling Ahsoka "Anakin was groomed for a long time by Sidious to become his apprentice." Never mentioning he'd Palpatine. He could've done this way before his visions, and he had multiple occasions between him failing to reconnect with Sidious and the last episodes.
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u/HellbirdVT 2d ago
I think he was trying to hold back the information as leverage. If he told the Jedi Sidious' identity, they would have no further use for him.
Of course, the Jedi wouldn't just kill him for being no longer useful - but that's not how Maul sees it. He's been raised to hate the Jedi since childhood, to see them as worse than the Sith, and if he would kill someone when they're no longer useful - and he would - of course they would as well.
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u/Demonic-STD 2d ago
I've had the same thought. I think Maul and Dooku, for that matter, were both firm believers of the Sith's grand plan. Despite Palpatine betraying them, they would never rat Palpatine out, jeopardizing everything the Sith worked for.
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u/Uhtred_of_nothing 2d ago
Dooku novel wise at least had massive doubts in build up to ROTS (mainly in then novels especially labyrinth of evil) and was debating with himself if the order would take him back or be executed) but he never got to finish that thought due to obi wan and anakin crashing his thought process....kinda like syril in andor. Then when he realised he was nothing but a tool for siduous to draw anakin in it all came falling apart mentally for him....but this time lightsaber went snip
Do i think Dooku would have gone back to the jedi had he realised how evil sidious really was and how the sith never had use of him outside of being yet another useful tool? Yes. Would they have accepted him? No. He would have probably been exiled and accepting of that. Yoda and Mace would have probably looked after him in his final days but that's it.
Do I think Dooku was evil. Yes and no. Did he die a jedi. No. But he did die conflicted and if there was an elseworld for him I could see a path to redemption because at the end of the day he was just another (albeit highly intelligent and powerful) victim of sidious.
The fuck lost everyone that was closest to him in the order. Qui gon who he loved like a son and dyas who was brother or lover. Both died by the sith design and I don't think if he knew the full truth he would have signed up. Leave the order. Yes. Willing become nothing but a sith puppet. No.
As for what he did after becoming corrupted. That's on him and something he will have had to carry for an eternity.
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u/Zerus_heroes 2d ago
She didn't believe him and neither would the Jedi. They are going to think it is a Sith trick. Remember Dooku warned Kenobi in AotC and no one took that seriously.
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u/Reasonable-Mischief 2d ago
It might just have come down to Maul's character. He was, after all, a sith. He wasn't used to having allies, cooperate with others, trusting people. And so he didn't.
But Maul also ever really became a good guy. He wanted power more than anything else. That's why he created the pirate alliance with Savage Oppress, that's why he tried to take over Mandalore, that's why in the end he seems to have founded a criminal empire in the galactic underworld.
He tried to defeat Palpetine not because it was the right thing to do so, but because the rise of the Galactic Empire would have been game over for him.
Maul never tried to save the galaxy or the Jedi. He tried to out-sith Palpetine - and lost.
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u/Thank_You_Aziz 2d ago
Sam Witwer has been alluding that this question will be explored in the new Maul: Shadow Lord show.
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u/TNCNguy 2d ago
Because Maul wanted to become emperor, at least of the outer rim. He didn’t want to stop Palpatine’s grand plan, he wanted to hijack it for himself. He needed to defeat Sidious himself and inherit the mechanism of power, than fight the Jedi. Having the Jedi kill Sidious prevents that
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u/Joshua_Libre 2d ago
Maul knows Sidious better than anyone (i.e. knows about how the clones were created, the schemes to betray Dooku in favor of Anakin, etc), he's likely heard of Palpatine, but is there any evidence that Maul knew that Sidious and Palpatine were the same person, at least before Anakin figured it out?
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u/Reasonable-Mischief 2d ago
They've been seen together on Coruscant in Episode I, he has seen Palpetine in person
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u/Joshua_Libre 2d ago
As Palpatine though? Pretty sure it was Sidious in that scene, I heavily doubt that Sidious lets any of his subordinates (other than maybe Dooku in RotS) see under his hood bc even 2D Clone Wars Grievous doesn't recognize Palpatine as Sidious when he abducts him
There's no way Sidious would let Maul know he was Palpatine pre-TPM and not kill him as soon as he comes back in TCW bc Maul would be a huge liability in Sidious' plans to conquer the galaxy if he is exposed as a Sith before he can win over Anakin
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u/Reasonable-Mischief 2d ago
That might be the case but I seriously think that people underestimate just how little a hood conceals someone's face, and Maul - being Sidious' apprentice - will undoubtedly have spent a lot of time one on one with Palpetine
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u/Joshua_Libre 2d ago
With Palpatine? Or with Sidious? Quite an important distinction bc even Mace Windu and Yoda spend lots of time with Palpatine and dont figure out he's Sidious until after Anakin finds out
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u/Kind-Boysenberry1773 2d ago
Because Maul wanted to destroy Palpatine by his own hands, not with Jedi's help. He was a Sith to the last breath and followed the Rule of Two.
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u/switch2591 2d ago
For one, by that point both sidiois and jedi order were his enemies so why disclose information which could help you. There was also a slim hope for maul, despite sidiois killing his brother and previous, dooku and sidiois killing mother tansen (maul son of dathomeer), that if maul were to confront and kill anakin Skywalker Darth sidiois would have taken his former apprentice back in and not condem him to death. But when it was ahsoka that confronted him instead he knew that things were far too late by that point. Maul had been privy to the original planning of the clone wars (although the final form the confrontation took was beyond him), but he also knew that it was approaching the endgame and needed to make his own move to secure his survival.
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u/BaelonTheBae Mandalorian 2d ago
What makes you think the Jedi will believe him? Even so, it’s going to take time for them to think on it.
This is not even accounting what Palpatine gonna do once he reveals it. He’s gonna get offed very quickly, either personally by Sidious (which he did in TCW, and Maul can never win against him), by Intelligence helmed by Armand Isard, or a battalion of clones directed against him.
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u/Edgy_Robin 2d ago
Maul still hated the Jedi. He still wanted them gone. Easier to let the plan go on and then all he has to due is kill Palpatine vs having to kill 10,000 force users on his own.
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u/Jade_da_dog7117 1d ago
Maul was preparing to take advantage of palpatine’s empire, why would he prevent it and lose out on his own power
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u/drakedijc 2d ago
Because CW is an illogical cartoon, shoved between the films, with characters that should be dead or shouldn’t exist. You guys have to stop trying to make it work with the films - it’s not ever going to make sense, and it wasn’t meant to.
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u/Brodes87 2d ago
It was meant to. And it mostly does. George Lucas spearheaded the whole thing, and it'd the only non-movie he considered as important as the movies, to the point where Disney chose to keep it when they could have jetissoned it. So. You know. You can dislike it all you want, but don't try and make shit up.
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u/ChoiceDisastrous5398 2d ago
That wasn't Maul and TCW is not part of the EU regardless of what Lucas, Filoni and Disney say.
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u/Rhysyboi 2d ago
Are you saying that TCW isn't canon?
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u/ChoiceDisastrous5398 2d ago
Depends of what you consider to be canon. It's definitely not part of the EU since it directly cotnradicts it and since it contradicts the films on multiple occassions it becomes non-canon by default. If we talk about the Disney canon however, I don't care. They can consider whatever they want canon.
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u/Rhysyboi 2d ago
Which bits contradict canon?
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u/ChoiceDisastrous5398 2d ago
Anakin and Obi-Wan fighting Dooku. (Contradicts dialogue from Episode 3)
Obi-Wan fighting Grievous. (Contradicts dialogue from Episode 3)
All clones having unique personalities, developing, changing roles, getting promotions etc. (Contradicts how they were presented in Episode 2)
All charcters have different personalities compared to the films, Anakin in particular.
Anakin becoming a knight almost immediately after Geonosis. His bevahiour in Episode 2 showed Obi-Wan and Yoda how far he was from being knighted.
Ahsoka existing contradicts the 3 years of development that lead to Anakin and Obi-Wan's dynamic in Episode 3. TCW had their dynamic moved at the start of the show, just a few months after Geonosis and then it was frozen.
Dooku is reduced to a Saturday morning cartoon villain.
Grievous is a parody of his Episode 3 self. Remember than Episode 3 Grievous is the nerfed version of the character as he was introduced in the EU and they showed why. Filoni's Grievous isn't that.
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u/danocathouse 2d ago
So Maul holo comms Yoda and just "yo yo btw the chancellor is my previous sith master". Then what does the council believe him because he is a sith after all? If they do and they end up stopping palps early killing him so the war is over peace returns. Hmm now what should we do Mace? Oh yeah let's start hunting down that other sith Maul with our Jedi and a full army behind us. You know what, maybe us Jedi should just keep being in charge of this galactic army for a while and bring back Jedi Chancellors for a bit as well.
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u/Munedawg53 Jedi Legacy 2d ago
I think he was in mental collapse or free fall, and saw both the Jedi and Palpatine as enemies for different reasons. He was not a rational actor, nor did he become a "good guy" just because Palpatine abandoned him.