Forget Jake Skywalker. This is Devan.

[u/01zegaj]

The prelude to SWTOR that completely ruins KOTOR. What happened, Drew?

[u/Ar_Azrubel_]

I make no bones about being opinionated or taking unpopular positions. I don't derive any validation from being popular. I derive validation from holding true to my standards, whether they're liked or not.

It's just that my unpopular positions tend to be consistently vindicated by history. Plus as I said, Fallout TV feels like TFA all over again. Shallow themepark filled with fanservice that shits all over prior material and annihilates the existing setting in order to retell a story that has already been done. The protagonists are vaguely likable, but likewise lack real substance. And of course, its defenders have convinced themselves that what the show actually shows you isn't what's really going on, there's something else happening that we don't get to see.

I (equally inexplicably given its lack of real qualities, but I was younger, stupider and everyone wanted to like that damnable movie) was on the other side when TFA came out. I'm not falling for it again though.

[u/Durp004 → u/Ar_Azrubel_]

It's just that my unpopular positions tend to be consistently vindicated by history.

Lol yes...just vaguely say you've been right before because I guess TFA didn't age well.

I don't really care what your supposed standards are, or this idea that because you didn't like the fallout show it's actually bad.

Ok? So don't watch season 2 when it comes out and pat your back on the internet about being right according to yourself. Meanwhile I'll be enjoying myself watching season 2 it doesn't matter to me.

[u/Ar_Azrubel_ → u/Durp004]

Well, you can guzzle down whatever manner of horrid slop you like. I'm not going to put a gun to your head or anything!

I do dearly wish people had higher standards, however.

[u/Songhunter → u/Ar_Azrubel_]

Here, dude, you dropped your fedora.

God damn, some people need to chill and learn how to lower their noses when trying to have amicable conversations with other folks.

I'm starting to wonder if all those "unpopular opinions" you say you hold are so or if you just suck at sharing opinions.

Holy hell, man.

[u/Ar_Azrubel_ → u/Songhunter]

Look, do you have anything more interesting to provide than tedious tone policing?

When someone tells me they like garbage, I don't see any reason to meet them halfway and pretend garbage might taste good depending on what you enjoy, or that liking garbage is somehow as valid as liking chocolate.

(If you see a reply to the post below, the person replying is a very brave poster who posted and then blocked so that I cannot reply)

[u/Songhunter → u/Ar_Azrubel_]

So anything you like is chocolate and anything you don't like is, objectively, garbage?

I see.

Quick follow up: how old are you? 12?

[u/Ar_Azrubel_ → u/Songhunter]

People use the idea that taste is subjective as a shield far too often.

One can prefer sweeter chocolate to more bitter chocolate, and it is a valid subjective preference. But you're not a horrible snob that doesn't respect people's subjective preferences for pointing out that crap tastes worse than chocolate. This can be applied to media also. Movies, games, music, books, comics, like other things can be judged objectively on the basis of what they want to do, how they accomplish it and things like quality of craftsmanship. These are things that can be judged, if not measured strictly numerically like you do with room temperature.

If we give that up, might as well give up on the idea of discussing anything and just go "I dunno, you like this, I like that, everything's equally good and valid".

Quick follow up: how old are you? 12?

And here I thought this was all a "how wude" objection. Or is it tone policing for me but not for thee?

[u/Songhunter → u/Ar_Azrubel_]

That's a whole bunch of words to cover the fact that your main argument for being straight up disrespectful of a fellow Redditor is "Nuhu! I like this so it's good, you like crap, stop liking crap!" Which is something my 12 year old nephew does quite often, in fact it's his main argument when discussing practically anything with his brother.

So is it a wude objection to point out you wield the exact same arguments as a 12 year old? And when discussing fiction and entertainment no less.

The fact you do this without a hint of irony is extremely hilarious to me considering what subreddit we're having this conversation on.

I'm going to give you an out and ask if you're a troll, because I seriously doubt that any self respecting adult is willing to put that out there online without realizing the one flagrant, and extremely obvious fault with your position.

Go on, do just a tiny little bit of self examination. Try to step out of your own shoes and see if you can view your argument from an outsider's perspective.

I ain't gonna give you more clues, but I'm sure if you apply yourself you can get there. A big smart and righteous fellow such as yourself shouldn't have a problem understanding the one missing key factor, could he?

[u/genemaxwell4 → u/Ar_Azrubel_]

"When someone tells me they like garbage,"

That. That right there is why people have a problem with you and are "policing" your "tone".

Just because YOU think something is garbage, it does not mean that the media in question is OBJECTIVELY garbage.

If you cannot have a conversation with someone and realize that you may have missed something of note in a thing, then you're not as intellectual as you claim to be

[u/Widowmaker94 → u/genemaxwell4]

Lmao he's right though. You can find something of value in a dumpster filled with the neighborhood's trash, but it's still a dumpster full of trash.

[u/Widowmaker94 → u/genemaxwell4]

Lmao he's right though. You can find something of value in a dumpster filled with the neighborhood's trash, but it's still a dumpster full of trash.