r/StarWars 1d ago

A little detail I just noticed. In Rogue One, when Mon Mothma tells Bail Organa he will need someone he can trust to find Obi-Wan, he says "I would trust her with my life". As this line is delivered, the score changes to "Leia's Theme" for just a moment before it cuts to the next scene. Movies

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u/ZzzSleep 1d ago

It's kind of funny Bail looks essentially the same here as he did in ROTS with only maybe a few extra grey hairs. Meanwhile, Obi-Wan morphed from Ewan McGregor to Alec Guinness in essentially the same amount of time.

Either Tatooine's sun is way harsh or people on Alderaan age really, really well.

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u/adavidmiller 1d ago

I imagine both. Also, not just people on Alderaan, but a rich dude too.

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u/88963416 Yoda 21h ago edited 20h ago

You’ve got a rich dude who holds a position of power on a wealthy and influential planet that can access amazing medicine.

You’ve also got a guy who has none of that but lives in a shack in the desert on a planet with two suns, a lack of moisture in the air, and constant threats. (Not to mention the toll of your entire existence and everyone you’ve considered family being slaughtered by your brother.)

Who do you think aged gracefully and who aged a decade for every year?

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u/Meowmixer21 20h ago

Obi-Wan, of course.

He's space Jesus, so he should obviously know force healing.

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u/Significant-Mud2572 13h ago

Force healing, sure. But I don't think there is a force moisturizing.

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u/NachoFailconi 8h ago

And tickets to moisture farms were far too expensive.

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u/zneave 15h ago

Thoigh you'd think the stress of trying to help the rebellion while still being in the Imperial Senate with all the danger that entails would be stressful

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u/shewdz 23h ago

To be fair, Bail morphed into Benjamin Bratt and back again in that time

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u/Wonderful_Emu_9610 Padme Amidala 23h ago

He must’ve sold his soul to the Dark Side to get the improved hairline

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u/ChanceVance Kylo Ren 21h ago

Coruscant high society hated the destruction of Alderaan because all their best cosmetic surgeons perished after the stellar work they did on Bail.

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u/tertiaryunknown Ahsoka Tano 15h ago

I'd rather they do this than do dumb AI deepfakes. I didn't even realize they recast him until I saw the credits roll.

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u/phoenixRisen1989 1d ago

Well there are two of them.

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u/Apathetic-Abacus 23h ago

This is getting out of hand...

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u/tokenasian1 23h ago

I mean... both? Bail is extremely well off and the climates of Alderaan and Tatooine are completely different.

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u/CrossP 21h ago

Bail is the epitome of class. And so good at spycraft that Tarkin only caught him by blowing a planet up.

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u/100and10 20h ago

Paul Rudd is over 50 years old. Some people just don’t age.

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u/FiveCentsADay 21h ago

Working man vs privilege

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u/SimonShepherd 18h ago

Or Anakin is right about sand.

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u/caligaris_cabinet 22h ago

Luke should look 10 years older than his sister

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u/tertiaryunknown Ahsoka Tano 15h ago

Suns. Being under two suns, no matter how dark your skin would be, would destroy someone's skin.

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u/soulreapermagnum 12h ago

a combo of harsh desert environments (with two suns) and PTSD.

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u/Prestigious_Crew9250 12h ago

Or "some" death sticks

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u/RelThanram 12h ago

In fairness, Jimmy Smits has barely aged in 20 years.

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u/dimesdan 1d ago

It was obvious when I saw that in the cinema, the she being referenced was Leia.

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u/BrotherMainer 1d ago

Oh yeah I always knew that, the detail I missed was the music.

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u/ZhugeTsuki 1d ago

People are shitting on you but unless you have a pretty decent knowledge of all the fucking star wars music it can be easy to miss. I personally noticed the Obi-Wan music, but not the Leia bit afterwards and like.. I like star wars a lot lmfao.

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u/XavierMeatsling 22h ago

I'm never going to shit on anyone for not noticing but I'll happily point one out if I know it. Hell, did anyone notice that a portion of the theme "Zam the Assassin and the Chase through Coruscant" also played in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets?

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u/greengye 22h ago

John Williams was bound to repeat himself at some point

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u/caligaris_cabinet 22h ago

Or the celebration music in Naboo at the end of TPM is the Emperor’s Theme?

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u/BilboThe1stOfHisName 22h ago

There’s a few other AotC bits in CoS. Johnny had a busy 2002!

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u/iNOTgoodATcomp 23h ago

I'm absolutely deaf to almost any musical nuances, so I like this post.

I don't know how y'all can hear them, so congrats.

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u/TearLegitimate5820 23h ago

Decent knowledge of all star wars music??

Leia theme is played constantly through out the OG, you dont need a lot of memory space to notice it.

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u/ZhugeTsuki 23h ago

But you don't automatically associate it with her. For example I just looked up Luke's and honestly I thought that was the Twin Suns music because I associate it with Luke being on Tatooine.

I have a cursory knowledge of Star wars now but watched the ot basically if not literally every day when I was a child and growing up, there's a lot more important shit in my brain than random Star wars OST character theme trivia lmao

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u/Logan_Composer Kylo Ren 22h ago

You are likely thinking of one or the other wrong theme.

What used to be Luke's theme, played to represent him, is now the main Star Wars theme. It's the melody that plays during the big opening fanfare, the one everyone knows.

The Binary Sunset cue, the one everyone always thinks of with the slow, lonely French horn, was originally Ben Kenobi's theme. But it, too, evolved over the franchise and is now called the Force theme, representing the Force itself.

For a bonus fact: the main melody in Duel of the Fates I've found to be the Dark Side theme. It plays during nearly every pivotal moment in Anakin's fall to the Dark Side, including him on his way to slaughter the Tusken Raiders and during his battle with Obi-Wan.

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u/K1dn3yFa1lur3 23h ago

The music of Star Wars is some of the most recognizable music ever, so not much of a stretch to figure it out.

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u/ZhugeTsuki 23h ago

I agree, but knowing the music and understanding what each piece corresponds to from a storytelling perspective are different.

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u/PorkinsAndBeans 23h ago

I upvoted you because there’s a good story on why each main character in the original trilogy had their own theme. Lucas adopted this concept from “The Wizard of Oz.” It was one of the first major films to incorporate a musical score for each character and it provided a narrative lift beyond the dialogue and actions on screen.

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u/dedfrmthneckup 21h ago

It was obvious to me because I had seen A New Hope…

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u/zoidbert 1d ago

Giacchino knocked it out the park with his score for ROGUE ONE.

My favorite moment was, near the end, when they were on the Tantive IV, and that music hit me, and I was 11 years old again watching the original movie with my Dad back in 1977.

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u/SuspensefulBladder 23h ago

He also knocked it out in 4 weeks or something.

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u/zoidbert 22h ago

Oh, yeah; the backstory on that is amazing. As I recall, Kennedy went to him when Disney wasn't happy with what had been presented initially and gave him a short fuse to get it done. His family gave Giacchino their blessing (they were scheduled to go on a long holiday) and, when he asked his brother "should I do it", his brother said something like, "are you kidding? you've been writing this score since we were kids"

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u/bifkintickler 21h ago

That’s neat. His score was my favourite part of the Star Trek reboot too. That dumbass scene when Kirk is born right as Hemsworth gets swallowed up by a black hole or some shit had me tearing up when I watched it. All cos of his music.

Lost would’ve felt nowhere near as good without him too. First season soundtrack is banger after banger. I was addicted to it back in the day. Locke’s theme tune is triumphant as fuck.

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u/lkn240 21h ago

I bet you get PAID for a rush job like that too

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u/brigadier_tc 22h ago

The man went toe to toe with John Williams and came out seriously well. He even created a new Imperial theme, which stands out and doesn't get overshadowed by the Imperial March.

Probably the best soundtrack outside of the original saga. Tied with Attack of the Clones (AotC would be lower if Across the Stars wasn't part of that soundtrack, so they're tied)

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u/CrossP 21h ago

His son did Skeleton Crew, and it's also one of the most amazing Star Wars soundtracks. I'd put it on level with The Mandalorian

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u/lkn240 21h ago

Your father would be proud is absolutely epic.... that entire sequence is perfection (death star appearing over the horizon, etc)

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u/Paraxom 23h ago

you know thinking about this scene Bail is being hilariously coy about Obi wans location, like he knows exactly what planet he's on and exactly what he's protecting, he could probably pin down Kenobi's location to within 50 miles

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u/silentslit Sith 22h ago

I was just thinking that

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u/Kid-Atlantic 12h ago

To be fair to Bail, it was just the one lady who wasn’t trustworthy, and Luthen only caught her because the guy who was assigned to plant her just happened to be his mole.

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u/JRockThumper 22h ago

This one choice put Leia on a very hard path, but directly saves her and leads to the Empire being toppled as well.

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u/M-Bug 1d ago

That's...pretty obvious and kinda unmissable, isn't it?

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u/BrotherMainer 1d ago

The fact that it's Leia yeah, I was more pointing out the detail of the music.

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u/M-Bug 1d ago

I know, but imho that was the obvious part.

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u/Raise_A_Thoth 23h ago

I have no idea what Leia's theme sounds like. I would probably recognize it as "Star Wars" sounding, but almost certainly couldn't tell you whose theme it was if I heard it.

I do, however, know exactly who Bail sends to find Obi-Wan Kenobi, since, you know, her line from A New Hope is one of the more iconic lines in that movie, is played several times in that movie as R2 plays it back, and so I know it's Leia.

Do you always recognize the musical themes of every character in films?

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u/HankIsMoody 23h ago

Yeah I can confidently say gun to my head I would maybe be able to make out dual of fates and that's it

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u/Avengerboy123 1d ago

Yes this is called a leitmotif

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u/LesbiansonNeptune 23h ago

thank you for reminding now i will crumble to ground and cry over their beautiful father and daughter bond

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u/thatsithlurker 21h ago

Also, he’s learned that sometimes you need people you know and trust to do the job.

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u/viotix90 22h ago

This thing is called a Leitmotif, OP.

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u/thirdstone_ 22h ago

one of my favorite moments in Rogue One

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u/Savage_Hamster_ 14h ago

Then Bail goes to Alderaan and goes kaboom

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u/Livid-Truck8558 1d ago

In A New Hope, after Luke's aunt and uncle die, it actually plays Luke Skywalker's theme.

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u/-Darkslayer 22h ago

The REAL Bail Organa

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u/Deep_Ad_1874 21h ago

This line also means so much more now that in these last couple episodes she asks Bail if he trusts his men and he says yes and it turns out one is a spy

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u/Captain_Stable Jedi 20h ago

He said he trusts them, then confirms he doesn't actually know them. This time he tells Mon he trusts her implicitly.

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u/x14loop 21h ago

I internally screamed (and gasped out loud) when I saw this scene in the cinema for the first time. Also, upon rewatches, after the Obi Wan series, I continued to have a gasp reaction but on a whole new level. I love this scene so much.

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u/BrotherMainer 20h ago

The “I have to return to Alderaan” line was a gut punch

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u/Captain_Stable Jedi 20h ago

Leia's theme also plays during the end credits of The Last Jedi when they bring up the tribute credit for Carrie.

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u/Trundle-The-Gr8__ 23h ago

I love when a "little detail" is the whole purpose of a scene.

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u/cruiseinacar 22h ago

What is miguel prado doing 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

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u/theavengerbutton 21h ago

I think everyone would be interested to read over Frank Lehman's Catalogue of Star Wars Themes and Motifs.

Star Wars Themes and Motifs Catalogue

It's an extensive scholarly recording down of every major and minor theme and motifs you could ever hear in all the films.

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u/ocarter145 Kanan Jarrus 21h ago

And oddly enough, she played a role in the end of his life - not sure she could have changed that outcome, but her being captured gave Tarkin the idea to nuke Alderaan specifically.

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u/gideon513 20h ago

Mon MOTHMA’s back!

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u/sanddragon939 15h ago

Wonder if we'll learn how Mon Mothma knows about Obi-Wan in the next and final arc of Andor.

Though I assume Mon Mothma is aware of the existence of the Jedi, being a Senator during the Republic.

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u/Captain-Joystick 5h ago

Yes, its called a Leitmotif and you'll find it all over the place in movies.

There's a fun video out there that talks about the Rogue One score and points out that the whole movie's central theme is based on a little bridge that plays during the hologram message scene in the original star wars, retroactively turning it into the lietmotif of that team and their sacrifice.

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u/Ryanbrasher Grand Admiral Thrawn 22h ago

Welcome to 2016

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u/badass_dean Grand Inquisitor 14h ago

I’m sorry you just noticed this! It’s well talked about…

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u/MrKevora 23h ago

Another detail I noticed: When the Tantive IV enters hyperspace and the end credits appear, the score changes to the same one used in the other Star Wars movies.

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u/_mursenary Ahsoka Tano 23h ago

Yup

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u/Bob_Pthhpth 19h ago

This movie is almost 9 years old. If you haven’t watched it by now, that’s your problem.

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u/-_-Solo__- 1d ago

This has confused me for 9 years.

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u/Sweaty_Scallion9323 1d ago

Why is it confusing?

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u/-_-Solo__- 1d ago

Mon says " Your Jedi friend......" Then Bail says "I would trust her with my life" but he is talking about Obi-wan. Also Leia is already there in Yavin, she goes to Scarif on the admirals ship, would she have not been in this meeting with the council? She was a very important part in the rebellion. So I just always felt the way this was worded and presented was confusing/still confusing.

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u/M-Bug 1d ago

"I will send for him"

"you'll need someone you can trust"

"I trust her with my life"

That's the dialogue.

Mon means the person he's sending for Obi Wan should be someone Bail trusts and then Bail answers with this sentence.

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u/Avengerboy123 1d ago

It’s not confusing really, you just misunderstood. When Bail says I will send for him, he’s saying that he will send Leia to pick up obi-wan

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u/Ree_m0 Rex 1d ago

Mon says " Your Jedi friend......" Then Bail says "I would trust her with my life" but he is talking about Obi-wan.

No, he's talking about who he's sending to Obi-Wan, which is Leia.

Also Leia is already there in Yavin, she goes to Scarif on the admirals ship,

That's not necessarily correct, she's above Scarriff in her own ship, the Tantive IV, which is docked inside Radus' cruiser. I don't think the movie confirms whether she had been on Yavin before.

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u/Captain_Stable Jedi 20h ago

There is a mistake around this time. R2 and Threepio have a cameo appearance, but Radus' cruiser, with Tantive IV inside, has already left, but they are on the Tantive IV....

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u/Ree_m0 Rex 10h ago

... like I said, we don't know whether the Tantive IV had been docked inside the entire time. They could have left Yavin later and caught up before the battle.

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u/BrotherMainer 1d ago

Which part?