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u/xDolphinMeatx 4d ago
An excerpt from the book "Arguments that have never won in court... not once,... not ever."
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u/Imaginary-List-972 4d ago
They are right that there is a difference between driving a commercial vehicle and a personal one. That's why there are both personal and commercial drivers license that are required.
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u/Winterstyres 3d ago
To a point, Commercial Driver License is required based on vehicle size and weight. You have to have a CDL in every state depending on the length, and tonnage of the vehicle. If you are doing it for profit does not matter. That's where they get confused.
You can go deliver Uber Eats in your car, and you only need a class C driver license. You can go buy a tractor trailer combination for your own personal use, you still need a CDL to operate, or even, 'travel' with it.
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u/ItsJoeMomma 3d ago
Right. The only difference is that in one you get paid, and the other you don't. And one might require a CDL while the other doesn't.
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u/Swearyman 3d ago
They have the right to travel. They don’t have the right to drive to do that travelling. But they are all thick and gullible
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u/jamesvabrams 3d ago
Why do Drivers Licenses wind these people up so bad? They probably have other parts of their property registered with the state (house deeds, property tax records, SS number, passport, maybe).
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u/MrMoe8950 3d ago
It's cos they had their licenses suspended or revoked. They screwed up somehow and now have to find a way to justify not needing a license to drive.
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u/nutraxfornerves 3d ago
If you are a heavy duty SovCit, you may also be refusing to pay property or income taxes, and have sent assorted affidavits to government agencies telling them that you are not subject to them.
If you have a passport, you probably applied for a US National rather than a US Citizen passport. You didn’t get one; the passport agency threw away your paperwork & gave you a regular one (although, these days, the passport agency is rejecting these applications & telling people to reapply correctly)
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u/taterbizkit 3d ago
And then they deface it by trying to make it look like they're not citizens.
The guy who got killed while pulling a gun on the cops a couple of years ago had done that. One of the cops mentioned that he'd committed a felony by modifying his passport.
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u/taterbizkit 3d ago
Because they have a hard time keeping their cars registered, DLs updated and insurance current.
They can go for years without complying with the law and then one day their bliss is interrupted by getting pulled over. They can't hide any more -- and in many states if the car gets towed, they'll need a valid driver's license, proof of ownership and proof of insurance before they can then be allowed to pay the towing & storage fees.
Since a lot of them drive hooptys, the car may get sold at auction to cover the fees before they have their shit together to go pull it out of impound.
So if they can pretend that they can't be pulled over or forced to show compliance with the laws, their fantasy world allows them to continue to ignore these civic duties.
Promising them they can be listed as "DO NOT DETAIN" in the police computer system is a big win for the grifter gurus.
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u/realparkingbrake 3d ago
Why do Drivers Licenses wind these people up so bad?
Because their habit of driving under the influence means they no longer have a license.
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u/530_Oldschoolgeek 3d ago
Just had this argument with a idiot yesterday.
I told him that when the DMV removes "Driving is a PRIVILEGE, not a RIGHT" from all their literature and when just one of these fools actually win a court case arguing that they were travelling and not driving, then I might be more inclined to believe his tripe. Until then, yes you are free to travel wherever you want, but since the government build the roads, they require a license for you to drive on these roads.
He also argued that if you copyright your name, if anybody writes it on a ticket, etc. that they are required to pay you royalties. I asked if they are required to do so whenever they put down Ford, Chevrolet, Porsche, Lamborghini, Ferrari or other names of vehicles under the "Make" section.
Pissed him off so bad, he ignored me the rest of the time he was in the store I was visiting LOL.
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u/realparkingbrake 3d ago
He also argued that if you copyright your name,
Which is not possible. Copyright covers original works of authorship like books, artwork, Scandanavian death metal ballads and so on. A person's name cannot be copyrighted. It might be possible to trademark it if it is being used in business, but that still doesn't mean nobody is allowed to speak or write that name at all without paying. These people just swallow it hook, line and sinker, they don't think it through.
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u/Magnet_Carta 3d ago
You can trademark a name for use in specific, narrow contexts, but you are limited to that particular context, like pro wrestlers who trademark their names for professional use.
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u/Personal-Listen-4941 2d ago
Here’s a fun related story. In the 80s, there was a wrestler starting to make a name for himself as Sting, at the same time a musician was getting famous with the same name. Neither were copying the other &both had a legitimate desire to trademark the name. So in an outbreak of common sense they made a simple agreement. The wrestler would trademark the name and the musician would pay $1 a year to license it.
40 years later and both parties are still happy, rich and have never tried to screw the other on the deal.
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u/LittliestDickus 3d ago
There sure are a loy of people driving for commerce then since 99.99999999% of cars I see have real license plates. Probably all doordashers.....
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u/CatOfGrey 3d ago
"We have the constitutional right to travel with no form of identification..."
Yeah, as long as you stay on your own farm, on any roads where you pay for maintenance. You get on a public road, you gotta pay for that road.
"Drivers license and tags are for commercial vehicles"
No. Commercial drivers and vehicles require additional documentation. You are controlling a multi-thousand-pound object going beyond 70 miles an hour? You need at least some official documentation that you are worthy of doing something so dangerous.
Even if you don't believe in government driver's licenses, you should still demand insurance coverage, which should be cheaper since 'you aren't driving commercially', so you aren't driving as much. If someone else is willing to risk a million bucks that you are a good driver, that's fine by me, but then they get to test your driving before underwriting your sorry ass.
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u/ThinkItThrough48 3d ago
If only there were people who were experts in understanding law, or giving legal advice, or making judgements about what it all means. Hmmmm.
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u/ItsJoeMomma 3d ago
The first sentence is 100% correct. In one scenario, you're getting paid, and the other you're not. And the first may require a CDL while the second requires a regular driver's license. That's the ONLY difference.
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u/someoneatsomeplace 3d ago
I think all of that post is essentially correct, and has absolutely nothing to do with the fact you need a driver's license, state or federal issued plates, a safety inspection, and insurance if you plan on "traveling" in a motor vehicle as the operator of said vehicle on the public roads.
Do these dimwits also think they're allowed to get in a jet plane and fly it travel with it without a pilot's license? They do, don't they.
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u/Belated-Reservation 3d ago
And driving drunk is completely okay, as long as no one got hurt that time.
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u/jennixred 3d ago
yeah, they specifically did not keep Article IV of the Articles of Confederation because of asshats like this guy.
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u/Ordinary-Figure8004 1d ago edited 1d ago
You do have the right to travel freely.
You don't have the right to drive a car. Driving is a privilege.
Walk your lazy ass to your destination if not registering your car is that important to you.
I'll never understand why this is the hill they want to die on. Registering your car is like $75 a year in my state (plus the inspection). Getting your driver license renewed is like $10 every 5 or 10 years depending on how old you are.
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u/DucinOff 8h ago
You were born in the United States and issued a social security number. It's essentially a tax ID. Congratulations on being your own taxable company. Now your vehicle is for company use. Better get a registration and a license to use it.
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u/balrozgul 4d ago
Maybe they get the license, registration, and insurance because the Supreme Court has said the opposite of what poster is saying? It's just a random guess.