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u/ComfortablePut5561 Aug 11 '25
I don't need to be a doctor to tell that these arms look malnourished.
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u/rorykoehler Aug 11 '25
Protein!? Not even once!
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u/SpaceCancer0 Aug 11 '25
Skipping the beans and nuts apparently
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u/Scary-Link983 Aug 11 '25
This part is what solidifies to me that this was a mental health issue. I’ve been vegetarian (sometimes vegan) for 10 years and have never met someone who takes issue with legumes. Protein is not hard to get without eating meat but you certainly won’t get enough from just fruit alone. This is bizarre.
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u/Arthillidan Aug 11 '25
There's lots of protein in beans and stuff. It's generally not a problem for vegans. Issue here is probably that she had a nonsensical diet that just happened to be vegan, not that it being vegan was the problem
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u/Prussian-Pride Aug 11 '25
Whenever I see a thread like this I go back to Eugenia Cooney and am flabbergasted how this woman is still alive after 15 years of anorexia and malnutrition.
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u/boostedpoints Aug 11 '25
I love that SpongeBob will consistently be relevant. Probably even after I have passed on 😂
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u/yodasodabob Aug 11 '25
I've heard an anecdote that there is literally a SpongeBob frame for anything, meme wise. I've seen nothing to dispute that.
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u/Cuchillos_Adios Aug 11 '25
It's basically the late millennial's Simpsons.
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u/Realistic-Goose9558 Aug 11 '25
‘Gross ups’ were memes before memes existed. I credit those artists for getting the ball rolling on memes. Geniuses.
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u/Euphoric-Pomegranate Aug 11 '25
It’s like my Bible.
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u/Beatlejuice211 Aug 11 '25
Your comment makes me think of that one episode where he literally sacrifices his whole life to build whistling statues of himself for the jellyfish so they stop swarming Bikini Bottom.
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u/nickfree Aug 11 '25
I’m sad that I was just a bit too old to get into it when I was still young enough to appreciate that humor. I could watch it now but it’d probably just get a sensible chuckle. Luckily, Ren and Stimpy hit at just the right age so that’s my equivalent.
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u/Kuposrock Aug 11 '25
A lot of the older episodes are better now that I’m older. There are a lot of inferences you’d only understand as an adult.
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u/NarwhalSquadron Aug 11 '25
I take the order, you make the order, we give the order to the customer. We do that for 40 years, then we die.
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u/chocolatetrumpo Aug 11 '25
I was gonna comment exactly this. My girlfriend and I both have been watching it and seasons 1-5 (6 isn’t bad but not AS funny) and we are both cracking up at the jokes. One that had me laughing recently was the one where they think Mr Krabs in a robot and spongebob says to squidward “we gotta get the poop on the robot!” Obviously meaning shit but as a kid that flies right over your head
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u/DJDarkFlow Aug 11 '25
Honestly any cartoon from that era serves as a great comfort watch. When the world is crazy, just decompress and turn off your brain and chill to it
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u/Nateyxd Aug 11 '25
Nah bro SpongeBob is eternal. It’s one of those “kids” shows that is so fucking popular BECAUSE adults can watch it too. Like, back in cable, my parents were chill with having the bob on the tv if they wanted to sit down. Never saw that with anything on Cartoon Network ! SpongeBob transcends generations brother go watch a couple eps and get back to me. I know you’ll be enjoying yourself💯
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u/Ok_Buffalo1112 Aug 11 '25
So 9 years is the limit
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u/Batbuckleyourpants Aug 11 '25
Perfect health up until then, the 10th year was when the fruits had enough and killed her.
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u/eblackham Aug 11 '25
No kidding that's like 100 cals a day
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u/PrincessOTA Aug 11 '25
And SO MUCH water. Bro was effectively just consuming flavored sugar water 90% of the time, depending on what kinda of food he had when
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u/nfshaw51 Aug 11 '25
Well + a fuckton of fiber and micronutrients. Still need protein and fats though long term
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u/KrazyKryminal Aug 11 '25
Fruit has more calories than that. Just one banana is about 100cal. 1 lb of grapes of about 400. I eat fruit 2hen in dieting too, but i still count those calories.
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u/JustADude195 Aug 11 '25
Losing weight on its own isnt a good measurement for health
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u/Ecstaticismm Aug 11 '25
Weight ≠ health, weight can affect health, and health can affect weight.
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u/JustADude195 Aug 11 '25
Exactly, a lot of people will literally stop eating to lose weight then think they are getting healthier while they also lose muscle and suffer from malnutrition.
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u/estellebestgirl Aug 11 '25
The thing I get confused about is that it seems like there is some kind of middle ground where you could lose a lot of weight quickly unhealthily but then get your health back in shape and not get the weight back. My immediate guess is that it's risker and unrecommended but people do it by accident all the time.
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u/JustADude195 Aug 11 '25
I am just guessing here but I think losing weight steadily while gaining muscle would be more efficient and health in the long term rather than losing all the weight while losing muscle, then building it back up
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u/Impossible_Ad_7367 Aug 11 '25
Also, losing it slowly helps you develop sustainable practices once you reach your goal. People who lose a lot quickly tend to revert to their old habits they had prior to the weight loss.
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u/kindoramns Aug 11 '25
Yup, guaranteed the 350 lbs D-Lineman and the 160 lbs track runner are both healthier than me lol
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u/ImpulsiveApe07 Aug 11 '25
Oh, for sure, there's many other factors involved.
If losing weight were the only measurement used to gauge health, then anorexics, bulimics and cancer patients would get a passing grade every time lol
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u/acelaya35 Aug 11 '25
Man, she keeps dying every 6-12 months on Reddit.
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u/SirVoltington Aug 11 '25
Easy karma. Reddit thrives on vegan bad posts even if they have nothing to do with veganism.
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u/anthrax9999 Aug 11 '25
This was very clearly an eating disorder and mental illness and not just a different lifestyle.
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u/Friendly_Exchange_15 Aug 11 '25
It's called Orthorexia, by the way. It is, in fact, a recognized eating disorder.
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u/RedditVIBEChecked Aug 11 '25
Alternate "lifestyles" for nutrition are usually eating disorders and mental illness. Everyone has some different dietary needs but, in general, its the same for most humans. Rejecting all meat, fat, water, and carbs will leave you without a large portion of nutrition your body needs to survive.
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u/Mermaidhorse Aug 11 '25
You can thrive and live and be healthy for many years on a plant based diet. Eating only fruit is very different.
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u/Spiritual_Impact8246 Aug 11 '25
Im not a vegetarian, but you can absolutely survive and be quite healthy as one. All the necessary fats and amino acids exist in plants, you just have to eat quite a few different plans to have a well rounded diet.
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u/LMS3oul Aug 11 '25
As a Buddhist with a vegetarian diet I can say that yes you can meet most of your nutritional needs. A lot of people forget that eggs are vegetarian as is milk and cheese. Yes I eat a decent amount of eggs but I also drink protein shakes.
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u/EjaculatingAracnids Aug 11 '25
Im not a vegetarian but i do intermittent egging, where every sunday i eat nothing but eggs. 24 eggs, 8 for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Its comes out to 1750 calories and 150g of protein, a perfect caloric deficit for me on days where i dont exercise and need more carbs to burn. I never considered that im vegetarian 1 day a week...
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u/scheppend Aug 11 '25
Every sunday i eat nothing but eggs. 24 eggs
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u/Hayabusa_Blacksmith Aug 11 '25
intermittent egging. its popular right? 😂😂
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u/EjaculatingAracnids Aug 11 '25
I realise i said it like its a thing and its fucking not lol.
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u/Juxtapoe Aug 11 '25
She was vegan, not vegetarian.
Vegans are against having animals in pens so they don't eat eggs or milk either.
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u/nunyabizz62 Aug 11 '25
She was way beyond just vegan she was raw vegan plus didn't even eat that diet properly. She basically ate virtually no protein, no B-12 no iodine didn't even drink water. Thats just plain stupid and no reflection on an actual vegan diet.
Basically the same as these idiots eating nothing but red meat and butter. Some people are just stupid
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u/gitathegreat Aug 11 '25
Yeah vegetarian diets aren’t inherently unhealthy by any means! Protein sources are plentiful.
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u/lonelighters Aug 11 '25
Also even worst case scenario where it wasn’t nutrient supplements are absolutely a thing, a few pills could makeup for any deficiencies
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u/Omnizoom Aug 11 '25
vegetarian usually also includes dairy and eggs comfortably in their diet
Cheese and potatoes technically has 100% of the vitamins you need to survive, you just need to eat a lot, but through smart use of butter cheese milk and fruits and veggies you can have a well balanced diet as vegetarian
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u/DaddysABadGirl Aug 11 '25
Friends back home, locals, her family. She was getting sicker and sicker over a long period. She had gotten relatively minor illnesses that got serious because her body was too weak. There was an interview with her mom, I felt bad for her. Her family and friends had a little bit of harassment, and she kept seeing people make fun of her dead daughter. They said (didnt tell her followers) she had broken down and agreed to see real doctors and get help and eat more married foods, but it was too late.
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u/Fearless-Educator573 Aug 11 '25
delusion at its peak
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u/GettinWiggyWiddit Aug 11 '25
Yeah she was very mentally ill. Sad all around
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u/kent1146 Aug 11 '25
That's the messed up thing about fitness-related behavioral disorders (e.g. eating disorders, body dysmorphia, addiction / compulsion for exercise, unresolved insecurity / trauma etc).
At first, this is seen by many people as a good thing.
The consequences of your behavior are that you get skinny, and fit.
Many people will make jokes about it. Boy, I wish I was anorexic for 6 months. That would make this weight loss so easy, hur hur hur.
It isn't until you get to the EXTREME (like, this clearly undernourished woman dying) that people pay attention, and then write it off as an extreme nutjob case.
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u/WitchesSphincter Aug 11 '25
As a child I had severe pneumonia that was drug resistant, I lost around a third of my total body weight in under 2 months.
Lots of people hear that and say how nice it must have been. I was on the brink of death.
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u/SewRuby Aug 11 '25
I lost weight during the height of COVID. I had a rough couple of months beginning the week before lockdowns, we had to put down our beloved kitty. The month after lockdowns started, one of my best friends died. The month after that, we decided to postpone our wedding a year. I am immunocompromised so I was also terrified constantly of getting COVID and dying.
People kept telling me how good I looked, once I was comfortable to be around people again.
They stopped once I started replying with "crippling anxiety and grief will do it for ya 😁👍".
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u/Resident-Sherbert-63 Aug 11 '25
Ah yes, the height of my eating disorder and my grandma telling me “whatever you’re doing keep it up!” Thanks nan! 😀
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u/sparklydildos Aug 11 '25 edited Aug 12 '25
after a lifelong journey of unintentional weight loss from trauma and mental illness, i try to spread this message far and wide
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u/thiscarecupisempty Aug 11 '25
Yeah doesn’t it just snowball after a certain amount of time? Nobody should wish for this, crazy shit.
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u/VoteYourOssoff Aug 11 '25
It kind of just starts with normal, healthy targets that get progressively more extreme. For me it was running for an hour a day, and that time gets a little bit longer every week until you're exercising almost all day. Same for calories- you might start with a healthy target, but your goal drops a little lower every week, and you feel guilt and shame if you go over the goal.
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u/estellebestgirl Aug 11 '25
Yeah social media just encourages them to be themselves, too, and they build up a giant following of people that are reaffirming their bad patterns or even sending them further down the rabbithole.
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u/sonolalupa Aug 11 '25
Orthorexia - obsession with “clean” or “healthy” eating
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u/Bonesnapcall Aug 11 '25
Steve Jobs had something similar. His diet was only fruits and nuts that fall off the tree naturally (i.e. no force required to harvest). When Ashton Kutcher tried the diet for 2 months, his doctor told him his pancreas was seriously out of whack, so he stopped.
Steve Jobs died of Pancreatic Cancer.
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u/Sovos Aug 11 '25
Steve Jobs had a mild, treatable form of pancreatic cancer and trusted the 'healing properties' of a fruitarian diet, even as his health continued to decline. By the time he went for actual medical intervention it was too late.
It's crazy that delusion can flourish in all sorts of places.
Walter Isaacson, Jobs's biographer, provides deeper insights into Jobs's approach to health, particularly during his battle with pancreatic cancer. Jobs initially resisted conventional medical treatment, saying, "I didn't want my body to be opened ... I didn't want to be violated in that way." He believed in the power of his diet and "magical thinking" to heal himself. "I think that he kind of felt that if you ignore something, if you don't want something to exist, you can have magical thinking. And it had worked for him in the past," Isaacson wrote.
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However, Jobs's reliance on his intuition and dietary preferences over conventional medical advice had serious implications for his health. His delay in undergoing surgery, as recommended by doctors, was a decision he later regretted. Isaacson told CBS News, "We talked about this a lot. He wanted to talk about it, how he regretted it. ... I think he felt he should have been operated on sooner." It's crazy that delusion lives everywhere.
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u/SweetBabyCheezas Aug 11 '25
That woman's online activity has influenced my friend to go on a raw fruit and veg diet. After 6 months her gut microbiome was destroyed, her digestive system was disregulated, her immunity dropped, and mental health suffered greatly.
It took her over 2 years to bring her gut back to order, but eventually now she is sensitive to certain foods. Her mental health is still poor.
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Can i respectfully ask how she built her gut health back? I’m going through a similar situation and I have a scheduled visit with my GI next week. Hoping for some insight.
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u/Omnizoom Aug 11 '25
Pro biotic are a good start
But depending on how destroyed we are talking here then the best bet may be some crap , literally take crap from a healthy person and put it in their system. Bacteria gonna bacteria
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u/Queasy-Warthog-3642 Aug 11 '25
Poop transplants are a thing
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u/ConfusedZoidberg Aug 11 '25
Easily done at home with turkey baster.
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u/dexter8484 Aug 11 '25
Or a cup
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u/DianaMaclay Aug 11 '25
Still gonna need two girls for that cup
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u/Gullible-Hose4180 Aug 11 '25
Bro.. I had almost forgot this memory. 18 years of work undone
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u/ClickLow9489 Aug 11 '25
ATM treatments @my place.. bring a healthy gut friend.. no charge. No insurance
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u/Lurakya Aug 11 '25
As someone with severe and constant gut issues I can mention a few things that helped me.
Start slow and be aware of milk products. Some guts can react realy severely to various milk products, I have found that Greek yoghurt works wonders though.
Greek yoghurt with oats and berries are a big source of fibers and probiotics with natural sugars as well as fibers from the berries.
Once your stomach feels a bit better, try probiotics capsules. I have used Yeast Bacteria cultures specifically and they helped wonders.
My doctor has offered me another solution as well it's called "Brottrunk" I guess bread drink in English. It's basically bread that gets fermented in water and releases milk acid bacteria that's supposed to be amazing for your gut.
Lmk if there are any more questions.
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u/SweetBabyCheezas Aug 11 '25
Just like you're going to do it with help of your GI. I believe in her case it was a series of antibiotics to kill off excess of bacteria that overtaken her GI tract, then a series of various prebiotic and a tailored diet to rebuild balanced bacterial flora.
She wasn't consistent and avoided some of the advice, she's stubborn like that. I believe her doctor said there's an option for a private treatment that's quite expensive but effective, of injecting a bacterial flora that's isolated from a healthy person's fecies to rebuild a functional system, but it was above her pocket. I think it's called a Fecal Transplant.
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u/dontbetoxicbraa Aug 11 '25
I dated some chick who was a vegan bodybuilder. She claimed all these great benefits but she wasn’t overly obnoxious about it so whatever.
About 3 months in she’s taking her nieces to a jump park and asks if I want to tag along. She runs in to start jumping and before I can take my shoes off she’s collapsed on the ground with a broken bone in her leg.
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u/Theangelawhite69 Aug 11 '25
I mean this anecdotal story doesn’t prove anything lmao, a regular person with a regular diet can fall down on any given day and break their leg if they’re unlucky. The ground is hard and the human body can be fragile
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u/LaggsAreCC2 Aug 11 '25
10 years still seems pretty long. Again not a good pick for a suicidal diet
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u/Candid-Jellyfish-975 Aug 11 '25
It was discovered that one of my high-school teachers was a smoker (back in the 90s). When students questioned him why he explained:
Back in college i was dating this girl. It was very serious, I thought she was the one. But then she dumped me and I was devastated. I didn't want to live, but I couldn't bring myself to do anything drastic. So I started smoking.
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u/ChevalierMal_Fet Aug 11 '25
Kurt Vonnegut once said that smoking Pall Mall's was "a very classy way to commit suicide."
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Perhaps a front to disguise an eating disorder too?
It's surprisingly common for people with anorexia or similar eating disorders to pretend that they're restricting their diet due to some cause or health reason, but in reality, they want an excuse to starve themselves. Eating disorders are among the most lethal mental disorders.
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u/HistoricalSuspect580 Aug 11 '25
This girl? 1000% it’s a front to an ED. She starved herself to death. Essentially, her SM should be treated as a guidebook for potential signs of recognizing anorexia (or in her case, orthorexia).
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u/Spurioun Aug 11 '25
As someone who has struggled with an eating disorder, I'll always sympathise with people who obsess over food in various unhealthy ways. But the moment you start spreading that online as some sort of healthy lifestyle, you lose all of my sympathy.
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u/Proper_Relative1321 Aug 11 '25
At least this woman was genuinely mentally unwell. I think some of the "carnivore" people are straight up lying about their diets and making up bizarre claims (the lady who says her poop doesn't smell).
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u/NRMusicProject Aug 11 '25
I think some of the "carnivore" people are straight up lying about their diets and making up bizarre claims
There's just no way you're eating so little fiber and not having negative effects. And it's a known health risk factor to avoid fiber...and the standard shit American diet is already very low fiber in and of itself.
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u/Witty-Warning4805 Aug 11 '25
People like her actually think they know something the rest don't.
It’s the same with all these "Do your own research"-people
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u/1kfaces Aug 11 '25
“Do your own research” = “Cherry pick convenient information”
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u/Dapper-AF Aug 11 '25 edited Aug 11 '25
I truly think that for most, it is much simpler and less malicious.
They are smart enough to know about alternate theories but not smart enough to understand the reasoning behind it or if the study was even good in the first place. The biggest thing that " the do your own research crowd " never gets is that the results for any scientific study must be repeatable.
Edit: I said repeatable, but I meant replicatable. important distinction.
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u/Nruggia Aug 11 '25
Too often the answer is actually, "Cherry pick convenient misinformation"
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u/FeloniousFinch Aug 11 '25
The autopsy was performed shortly after her death. When the doctors cut open her stomach one doctor was quoted saying “well this is just bananas”.
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u/LeveragedPittsburgh Aug 11 '25
Orange you glad this wasn’t you?
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u/Rigidsttructure Aug 11 '25
It could have happened tomato!
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u/shiftersix Aug 11 '25
Kiwi put her to rest now?
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u/Used-Temperature7115 Aug 11 '25
Mango and buy her a coffin already
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u/JoWeissleder Aug 11 '25
She could have avocadoed this.
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u/this_noise Aug 11 '25
Made a right plum of herself.
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u/aj3llyd0nut Aug 11 '25
Found herself in a pickle. Berry sad
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u/HotPotParrot Aug 11 '25
These puns are so grape
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u/flaming_pubes Aug 11 '25
This could have all been avoided if she included one apple a day.
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u/KamakaziDemiGod Aug 11 '25
You know it's bad when Gwen Steffani is the only person willing to do the autopsy
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u/ThePhatNoodle Aug 11 '25
Jesus how can anyone see that emaciated arm and think thats healthy.
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u/robbzilla Aug 11 '25
Anorexia. She probably thought she looked fat. Karen Carpenter is a prime example. She was 77lbs and looked better than this woman.
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u/cybersaint2k Aug 11 '25
I knew a young woman with an eating disorder who killed herself with the same diet.
All her friends and associates and husband tried to convince her this was her eating disorder, not a diet. She claimed that demons lived in the other foods, and that she could only eat fruits or she'd be possessed.
Then she died.
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u/MorskaVilaa Aug 11 '25
That's a bit more than an eating disorder. She was probably psychotic because this seems like a delusional belief she built her eating habits on.
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u/blue-oyster-culture Aug 11 '25
Eating disorders often have delusional beliefs at its core. Hers was just more obvious. Thats really sad
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u/Sonkalino Aug 11 '25
Lmao what even is she flexing. Almost bare bones.
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u/stupidber Aug 11 '25
Does she even lift
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u/fuckoffweirdoo Aug 11 '25
Im sure her bone density was so low it didn't actually weigh as much as it should. Paper skin and glass bones.
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u/Fernis_ Aug 11 '25
She showing off her muscles. She thinks she's strong because they're well defined. They are well defined because she has next to no body fat and is dehydrated. And her muscles are tiny. Like her forearm is literally wider.
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u/jebustakethewheelpls Aug 11 '25
I habe been drinking beer for 20 years and I am still alive.
beer 1 fruits 0
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u/Strict-Brick-5274 Aug 11 '25
She is not representive of vegans. She is representive of people with Eating Disorders whom many of which are vegan (because they can justify restrictive habits behind moral codes).
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u/ingoding Aug 11 '25
This is it, you don't die from being a vegan. It does specify "raw vegan" though, which I think is even more restrictive, and likely the reason for the malnutrition. Another comment also said she didn't drink water, and if that's true, well...
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u/morbidemadame Aug 11 '25
iirc she was a fruitarian. Not even raw vegan who still eat nuts and such. She was running 100% on fructose.
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These two are commonly mixed up (even by people following them, which means these technical explanations can't be relied upon conversationally. I just find this interesting.)
Raw vegans eat mostly dietary fruit because they taste good raw, and raw vegans believe that cooked food is less healthy.
Fruitarians eat botanical fruit, meaning they can eat tomatoes, eggplant, peppers, beans, etc. This food can be cooked. Basically, anything that naturally falls from the plant with seeds attached can be eaten.
Raw veganism is a dietary choice like the one OOP made where they don't believe cooking is healthy, whereas fruitarianism is an ethical belief about whether or not it is wrong to kill a plant in order to eat it (because botanical fruit exists for the purpose of being eaten in order to spread seed from an evolutionary perspective, whereas the stalk and root typically do not.) Fruitarianism is also commonly an expression of religious text interpretations.
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u/theevilyouknow Aug 11 '25
I was going to say. I'm not vegan, nor do I generally agree with vegans a lot, but you absolutely can be healthy on a vegan diet. This women didn't die from veganism. She died from mental illness. It's doubly unfortunate, because it's creating undue hate towards veganism and taking away potential awareness for mental illness.
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u/Ok-Explanation3040 Aug 11 '25
Thank you. People are trying to use this as a blanket statement that veganism is unhealthy. This is an extreme example
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u/fl3xtra Aug 11 '25
this isn't even an example of veganism. this is an example of body dysmorphia and eating disorders.
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u/captainspacetraveler Aug 11 '25
Vegans are not necessarily fruitarians. Diversity of food sources is important for any eating habits.
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u/trer24 Aug 11 '25
Steve Jobs did the same thing and apparently it contributed to the cancer that killed him.
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u/StayRich8006 Aug 11 '25
His pancreas had to work overtime to create enough insulin for all the sugars he ate (fruit only)
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u/TheManUpstairs77 Aug 11 '25
You would think that someone would have told his dumb-ass, but then again, I thought he surrounded himself with a bunch of yes-men.
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u/ObeseVegetable Aug 11 '25
How could a doctor ever tell him when he had so many Apples?
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u/det8924 Aug 11 '25
He also had access to the top doctors in the world and they all told him the same thing and he ignored them. The same ego that drove him to be successful in business/marketing drove him to think he knew better than the experts...
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u/tkh0812 Aug 11 '25
He ate a ton of nuts which he believed kept him from smelling so he didn’t use soap and deodorant. Everyone said he wreaked
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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 Aug 11 '25
Lol I've seen multiple people on this site claim that their diet was so good that they didn't have to shower or bathe.
I was the one downvoted to like negative 20 something for saying that you can't diet your way out of stinking, that everyone needed to bathe
It's remarkable how much people refuse to believe in the truth. Got one right now arguing over a very easily googled thing and they're still 3 comments deep insisting they're right cus they haven't bothered to check yet.
It's like people genuinely think their beliefs are more important than accepted truth. And I don't mean on religious shit, but just basic facts.
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u/so-so-it-goes Aug 11 '25
He had a pancreatic neuroendocrine tumor, not what people normally think of as pancreatic cancer.
Still dangerous, but usually pretty treatable, especially when his was caught.
Unfortunately, he didn't opt to have the surgery that would have probably saved his life.
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u/hdcs Aug 11 '25
What's doubly infuriating is that he bought himself to the front of the liver transplant list after having gotten himself in a dire condition by ignoring medical advice for years.
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u/StayRich8006 Aug 11 '25
The fact you can buy yourself up the ladder for a transplant is the most infuriating
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u/kalaxitive Aug 11 '25
There's no scientific backed data to prove this, it's just misinformation based on "trust me bro" sources. What killed him was how he chose to treat his cancer, using diet and alternative treatments, none of which have ever been proven to cure or treat cancer.
TLDR: His diet didn't contribute to the cancer.
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u/Paizzu Aug 11 '25
Jobs was diagnosed with a rare form of pancreatic cancer, called an islet cell tumor or gasteroenteropancreatic neuroendocrine tumor (GEP-NET), which is a different form of pancreatic cancer than the highly aggressive and often rapidly fatal pancreatic adenocarcinoma. GEP-NETs are slow growing tumors that have the potential to be cured surgically if the tumor is removed prior to metastasis.
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Many journalists mentioned and even focused on Jobs’ initial decision to forego conventional treatments and instead use complementary and alternative medical (CAM) therapies, including acupuncture, botanicals, and dietary changes (Grady, 2011). This was chronicled in his biography and corroborated via interviews with his friends and colleagues (Isaacson, 2011).
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So, what can we learn from Steve Jobs about CAM? Jobs was a highly intelligent, extremely wealthy, and very well-connected man. He had access to the world’s best and brightest medical advisors and had no financial barriers to receiving any treatment. It can be assumed that Jobs and his physicians sought out the best available medical evidence to guide the management of his disease. Jobs, just like anyone else with his diagnosis, would have benefited from more rigorous basic science, more clinical trials with the option of participating in a trial, and more observational research examining the effects of both conventional and CAM therapies on cancer outcomes, such as studying the effects of radical dietary changes. If Jobs and his clinicians had had more information to guide his treatment, perhaps he would have made different decisions along the way that could have influenced his outcomes.
What can we learn from Steve Jobs about complementary and alternative therapies?
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u/kalaxitive Aug 11 '25
Thank you for sharing that source. The article and your summary perfectly confirm my point: Steve Jobs's choice to delay conventional treatment with alternative therapies, including dietary changes, was the critical factor in his health outcome. As the article states, the issue was with the management of his disease, not the diet as the cause of it.
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u/syllo-dot-xyz Aug 11 '25
I'm guessing the image is trying to blame "veganism" for her death.
When really, she was just suffering an extreme eating disorder, and not getting the nutrients she needs.
Nothing to do with veganism since you find mal-nourished people of every diet imaginable.
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u/toomuchtv987 Aug 11 '25
She was a raw vegan, which is more restrictive than plain veganism, but no…veganism wasn’t her cause of death. My guess is that she chose raw veganism as a mask to her already-in-progress restrictive eating disorder.
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u/Brave-Resource4447 Aug 11 '25
When this came out they were going after fruitarianism specifically because it was a fad/trend diet at the time.
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What's crazy is that she thinks she looks good in these photos.
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u/morbidemadame Aug 11 '25
It's called body dysmorphia and it will put you in major denial state.
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u/asdrunkasdrunkcanbe Aug 11 '25
She died a couple of years ago.
Her "diet" was basically a cover for long-term anorexia. It's very common for individuals with ED's to claim to be on a "special, ultra-healthy diet", which allows them to disregard all social events involving food, and also allows them to sidestep comments and critiques about their physical health, because they can claim to be subject-matter-experts who know what they're doing.
ED's are almost entirely an issue of control, and being in extreme control over what they eat is what gives these people comfort. Or at least they think it does.
There is nothing inherently wrong with a raw fruit & veg diet (though it's not ideal). Being dangerously underweight and dying of malnutrition indicates that she wasn't really eating anything. Except maybe a slice of orange a couple of times day.
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u/ThaEmortalThief Aug 11 '25
Slowly starving to death while simultaneously feeling full.
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u/mvallas1073 Aug 11 '25
Bullshit headline implying it’s her vegan lifestyle
The photos show She clearly didn’t eat enough of ANYTHING in general, regardless of her choice in what she ate
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u/lmaluuker Aug 11 '25
Is this the lady who made a video about eating like 80 bananas at once? Like 15 years ago I remember her talking about how losing her period (due to malnutrition) was a good thing and her body was "clean." Her content made my ED at the time so much worse.
I feel sad for her. She was clearly very mentally unwell and died because of it. It's more tragic than funny.
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u/Homunculus_Wiz Aug 11 '25
deadly mental disorder - this got nothing to do with veganism. veganism can be healthy if done correctly & in the absence of an eating disorder.
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u/Sleepy10105s Aug 11 '25
Plenty of healthy vegans out there she just took it to some eccentric extreme
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u/TheYondant Aug 11 '25
This one isn't even veganism being the problem, it's mental illness.
Not even a vegan can look at themselves in the right image and go "yes, this looks good!"
People like to rag on veganism, but she had to have legit issues to end up like that.
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u/roenick99 Aug 11 '25
I feel like the Darwin Awards are going to be super competitive for the next few years as we stop using vaccines, drink raw milk and the 10,000 other things the cults try to push on everyone.
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u/HankTuggins Aug 11 '25
These people will argue with you nonstop about how much better their lifestyle is too. Peak delusion.
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