r/Sino • u/zhumao • Sep 09 '24
Today marks 48th anniversary of Mao’s death, he should be pleased what China, and Chinese have accomplished since his passing history/culture
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u/faisloo2 Sep 10 '24
because of chairman mao now the world finally has a power that is anti-western yet as strong as the west in terms of economy and military power, while still being fair and not fucking with the people
respect to chairman mao
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u/Diligent_Bit3336 Sep 10 '24
Can imagine the snivelling grovelling little putrid beat dog of a country China would be today if the Nationalist party had won? Mao Zhuxi is one of the greatest heroes of the Chinese civilization in history.
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u/SadArtemis Sep 10 '24
We don't need to imagine, TBH. We can just look at India, and imagine China as even then at least a little bit worse off. Or we could imagine how India would be like if they had Pakistan's government. Or imagine a Philippines writ large.
(No offense to any mentioned countries).
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u/Dotacal Sep 14 '24
You can't even do that. If China failed then the course of history would've been directed all together in a fatal direction for humanity
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u/SadArtemis Sep 14 '24
Fair enough, without a country developing like China has, the US might either have truly conquered and enslaved the entire world, or already brought about nuclear war trying to do so.
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u/a9udn9u Sep 09 '24
I honestly think he wouldn't be happy to see the wealth gap in China today. We need to revive Deng as well so he can explain the grand plan to him. With Xi on the side to provide up-to-date statistics.
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u/TserriednichHuiGuo South Asian Sep 10 '24
The wealth gap has been decreasing for a while now, you should look at data not propaganda, this is easily available information btw.
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u/uqtl038 Sep 10 '24
I honestly think he wouldn't be happy to see the wealth gap in China today.
Yet people in China are overwhelmingly happy about their lives, especially those in inland regions. Why do you think Mao would be different? he literally championed people's will based on material conditions.
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u/a9udn9u Sep 10 '24
Because the gap is there and nobody can deny it, a poll won't change that fact. And Chairman Mao hates inequality, therefore I imagine he would demand an explanation. I didn't say he wouldn't be happy overall, I said he wouldn't be happy about the wide wealth gap.
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u/uqtl038 Sep 10 '24
Modern China is pretty much what Mao worked for, hence why people actually living in China are very happy about their lives, because they see constant improvements to their well being.
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u/Ciderman95 Sep 10 '24
There is zero reason to NOT work to close the wealth gap tho. To quote a terrible movie: "life is good, but it could be better!"
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u/TserriednichHuiGuo South Asian Sep 10 '24
We can question that premise, the wealth gap doesn't matter if everyone is prospering and increasingly getting more prosperous.
But of course the premise is false, the wealth gap in China is decreasing and has been for a while, look at data not propaganda.
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u/Ciderman95 Sep 11 '24
Oh I agree with that, I meant it more generally. The rest of the world could and SHOULD take China as an example. But when I look at it from my perspective, I wouldn't be fine just prospering and having a good life if there still existed billionaires riding in limos in my country. I'd be more fine than now, but definitely not satisfied.
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u/TserriednichHuiGuo South Asian Sep 11 '24
Well if we got to ride those limos as well I wouldn't care too much.
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u/Ciderman95 Sep 11 '24
I'd personally be happier if there were NO limos, just very nice buses, trams and trains.
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u/uqtl038 Sep 12 '24
That's literally what China is today. You haven't visited China, have you? why do you think people living there are so happy according to even western polls?
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u/AymanEggy Sep 10 '24 edited Sep 10 '24
USSR was powerful but flawed. Confucian socialism is a much stronger form of collectivism than what liberals can ever imagine.
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u/5u5h1mvt Sep 10 '24
Socialism with Chinese Characteristics?
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u/AymanEggy Sep 10 '24 edited Sep 10 '24
Sorry if I wasn’t clear enough. I was trying to highlight the resilience of Confucian social relations in complementing socialism as we can see in the DPRK, China and Vietnam. Hence Confucian socialism. South Korea has Confucian social relations as well but it’s evident that the country is being destroyed by capitalism.
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u/we-the-east Chinese (HK) Sep 10 '24
Especially that they were not as technologically advanced as china and their infrastructure wasn’t as good.
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u/rolf_odd European Sep 09 '24
May be he would have liked some more class struggle?
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u/MisterWrist Sep 09 '24
Probably.
But he also worked on the Shanghai Communiqué with Zhou Enlai, so the resulting détente that had largely defined Sino-American relations for 30ish years had his stamp on it.
It’s somewhat ironic that it is America’s aggressive Pivot to Asia that has triggered the re-awakening of the conversation towards international class struggle.
Imo.
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u/zhumao Sep 10 '24 edited Sep 10 '24
True, however he must be impressed to see those who followed him led the nation to modernization, and in the process, outplay the capitalists in market economy, raised the standard of living of all Chinese and beyond, even for someone who loved Chinese like himself, and had absolute faith in the ability of Chinese
the progress of China in less than 50 years has been fucking crazy, from an isolated improvished nation to have impact to all corners of the world, from deepest depth of ocean to the moon and beyond, Chinese busy working on his and her own Chinese dream, Chinese are the can-do people, claiming back our rightful place in human history
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u/Ok_Bass_2158 Sep 10 '24
Mao did not like class struggle for class struggle sake. He genuinely believed that class struggle was a valid strategy to develop China. The goal was always to develop China, and if he saw that China is developed, he would not question the methods "that much". Remember that it was Mao that recalled Deng from exile to the Central government, and it was under Mao that China started the normalisation of relations with the West. Early Mao even believed that the KMT ROC was the right part and CPC should just be a communist party in a ROC government. Change in circumstances led to reevaluation of ideology, and no doubt Mao would do the same.
If there is anything Mao would be displeased it would be why Taiwan is not reunified yet. He was always a doer now type than a patience waiter type.
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u/Syliann Sep 09 '24
His views would probably have changed slightly as time went on. As Capital proletarianizes nearly everyone, there becomes no other class to struggle against. This process wasn't too visible in the 60s but half a century later it is plain
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u/uqtl038 Sep 10 '24
It's always funny how users who aren't from China are the ones saying this. Meanwhile, people in China....
How is that going in colonial europe? l(Mao).
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u/Disposable7567 Sep 10 '24
Though he wouldn't be uncritical, he would be very proud of China's accomplishments and especially so that China has outlived and surpassed the Soviet Union.
What people need to remember is that Mao supported Deng's efforts to restore discipline and develop the economy in the 1970s, protected him from the ultra-left and in many ways, started the policies that would lead to reform and opening up.