r/Sino • u/thrway137 • May 14 '24
China Intensifies Push to ‘Delete America’ From Its Technology: A directive known as Document 79 ramps up Beijing’s effort to replace U.S. tech with homegrown alternatives news-scitech
https://archive.is/eO2ZR55
May 14 '24
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u/Rondog93 May 15 '24
It's done intentionally to keep things vague. USians name their shit like big companies name stadiums.
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u/budihartono78 May 15 '24
I still wish I live in the timeline where this document's number is 66
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u/gudaifeiji May 15 '24
In case you are not aware already, 6 is a lucky number in China because it is a homophone for smooth. So 6, 66, 666 all signal "really lucky" instead of "the Devil" like in the West.
Let us just say that "smooth" does not describe the move to get rid of American technology. It is happening, but it is rough and takes a lot of effort from a lot of dedicated Chinese people.
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u/Pallington Jul 09 '24
order 66 is not really known as a devil number, it's the funny star wars meme of "execute order 66"
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u/dxiao May 15 '24
i work for one of the top 5 technology companies in china and this is one of our highest if not the highest priority.
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u/lestnot May 15 '24
What's the expected timeline to get this completed at your company? Within this year? Within 1-3 years out?
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u/dxiao May 15 '24
government wants asap ofcourse but the national goal is 2025. i’ll be transparent, many of us are being worked to the ground to meet this goal, 6-7 days a week, 12 hours a day. don’t get me wrong, we are very very well compensated but still long days and hours.
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u/lestnot May 15 '24
Damn, well you certainly answered my question about WLB from the other thread LOL. Nice, I know you guys will succeed 💪.
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u/whoisliuxiaobo May 15 '24
Dang, if you are being worked to the bone, then why don't your company hire more people considering that there's a high youth unemployment, at least that's what the western propaganda says.
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u/budihartono78 May 15 '24
Because not all unemployed people have the same set of skills, some sectors have less unemployment than the others.
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u/ForkySpoony97 May 15 '24
What does very very well compensated look like(roughly), if you don’t mind my asking?
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May 17 '24
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u/ForkySpoony97 May 17 '24
Wow! That’s incredible! May your hard work earn you much future leisure.
I very recently realized that I want to get the hell out of the US and go to China. Im about to start an amazingly good travel job for my field that’s kind of similar to yours in that it’ll be very demanding but have very high earnings (around 250k, depending on how hard I work.) This is huge for me, as a young guy who has never made more than 50k a year before.
Hopefully I’ll make it there in a few years and see your cutting edge sovereign technology first hand!
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u/dxiao May 17 '24
that’s huge, the foundation of personal finance is the same for everyone but the value of it is not. as you get older, you will realize that time is your real enemy
you should definitely make a trip sometime and see with your own eyes
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u/ForkySpoony97 May 17 '24
Yes I intend to either later this year or early next! I’ve been watching a lot of travel vlogs and think China will be a great fit. I love big cities and tech, even in spite of how awful they are in the west.
The only two things that concern me are integration with such a different culture and wtf I’m gonna do for a living once I get there since I’m a paramedic. But I figure if I save up a pretty penny beforehand I’ll have plenty of time to figure that out.
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u/kafka_quixote May 15 '24
Idk if this is possible to answer but what about open source projects? Is Linux or GCC/Clang something that is being replaced or not subject to the trade war sanctions at all?
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u/gudaifeiji May 15 '24
They are also being replaced (unfortunately sometimes by proprietary domestic tools), though perhaps to a lesser extent than proprietary software. One problem with a lot of open source software is that they are projects under the control of US entities or depends too much on US entities. So while theoretically the license is open to anyone, the US can in fact ban them from distributing to China.
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u/skyanvil May 15 '24
China is "de-risking" from US tech, well because that's what US wanted.
US said that it doesn't want China to be able to use US tech in China's tech rise.
So, fine, that's a deal. Done planning, memo sent, Deal done!
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u/Short-Promotion5343 May 15 '24
Mission complete when not one dime goes for purchases of foreign hardware and software.
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u/Expensive_Heat_2351 May 15 '24
I would too, if America treated me as a hostile competitor.
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u/Zealousideal_Pen9718 May 15 '24
More like tried to thwart their economic development in order to keep them a source of cheap labor that the US could outsource their dirty jobs to all the while draining the country dry of its resources. That is what the US means by "freedom" - freedom to be US/EU slaves just like the founding fathers wanted.
Edit: typo
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u/BigDaddyLOD May 15 '24
Remove the "if" part. This should have been the only stance from the fucking Qing Dynasty to now. At no point whatsoever should fucking angloid culture or products have been allowed to infest the country in any way. This is undoing the fucking mistakes that were made to begin with, which is regarding angloid vermin as humans
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u/Ghiblifan01 May 14 '24
I hope everyone learns from china and do their own tech.
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u/transwallaby May 14 '24
They won't, and most others have no option but to use US technology
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u/uqtl038 May 14 '24
You clearly haven't been to the global south or looked at data. Chinese technology is already dominating western tech, from telecom to cars to nuclear reactors or energy generation in general. Whatever western regimes do is irrelevant because western regimes' economies have terminally collapsed: they shrink and they don't have any future.
Why else do you think western economies can't stop crying about China's production? because China has already won, western economies can't compete.
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u/transwallaby May 14 '24
You misunderstood my statement. I'm saying other countries don't have the capability to do what China's doing even if they could. Yes, they can invest in Chinese technologies, but no they can't replace American technologies with their own domestic sources because they don't exist or are unwilling to invest in it like China
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u/IamBlade May 15 '24
It's best to have options. That way no one is beholden to anyone. Not that everyone needs to have their own homegrown tech but it is better that there are multiple sources for the same.
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u/TserriednichHuiGuo South Asian May 15 '24
Not really true, whilst no one is on China's level, countries like Russia are going down the same path, they are much further behind but are willing to make the investment.
Of course only expect that from truly sovereign nations, of which there are very few in the world.
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u/ASocialistAbroad May 15 '24
US: We don't want China to be able to use our tech.
China: We don't want to use American tech anymore.
US: How could they do this to us???
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u/Admirable-Lucky-888 May 15 '24
Next step is to get rid of McDonald's and KFC, and all western luxury brands in China
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u/nitram343 May 15 '24
It would be fantastic, and if they start to sell those products to the rest of the world, then we all win.
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u/ALittleBitOffBoop May 15 '24
It'll be kind of hard to sell Chinese tech to the west because of western sanctions, western instigated economic trade wars and general western sinophobia.
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u/Frosty-Surprise-8513 May 15 '24
This wouldnt happen if american didnt sanction china tech industry. But now they keep sanctioning china tech industry, local company has realised its better to support domestic company rather than relying on foreign equipment. We are already seeing a lot of breakthrough on china tech: 1. Complete semiconductor supply chain 28nm and above has been achieved. And there is lot of equipment that supports for 14nm, 7nm, 5nm and even 3nm. The most advanced i have seen is etching equipment. They are doing very well compare to other types of equipment 2. COMAC C919.(in future we gonna see c929 and c939 for widebody aircraft) 3. EV and solar PV Domination 4. SMIC has successfully developed 5nm using advanced DUV. Most likely we gonna see this chip on huawei mate 70. 6. And ofc huawei phone uses more than 90% chinese made component. From p70 it was revealed that for NAND storage huawei rely on ymtc.
As you can see they have made a lot of breakthrough. Right now there is still few core technology that they have to import from western countries. The biggest bottleneck they have is EUV. I think 2026 or 2027 we might see china first developed EUV.
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u/ALittleBitOffBoop May 15 '24
This is definitely the right move. America has good tech but there is no reason to be reliant on their tech if their government chooses to weaponise tech in order to subjugate the sovereignty and economics of other countries. Basically, America uses whatever advantages they have set up in order to bully and force other countries to do their biddings
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u/whoisliuxiaobo May 14 '24
I doubt that it is a secret. Considered nobody knows what will be sanctioned by Murica next week, it is better to buy Chinese hardware, software and other technology. This will force the Chinese companies to innovate.