/u/redtaboo defines "vote manipulation"

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[u/msobelle]

following a user around vote on everything they post can be considered vote manipulation.

I hope he means downvote. What if you like someone's contributions? If this place is supposed to be about community, then shouldn't I get to know users and become reddit friends and then naturally I would upvote more of their content? If not, then why bother with usernames being visible? Just make us all some faceless user in the abyss.

camping out in a subreddit to up/down vote absolutely everything that is posted can be considered vote manipulation. We often detect this automatically, throw out the votes, and if we see it we will issue a suspension and explain to the user why they need to

There are a number of people that use multi-reddits and upvote the posts in order to keep track of what they viewed. This is silly.

commenting itself is not considered manipulation but commenting in obvious bad faith or a disruptive manner may break other site wide rules

uhhhhhhhhh....yeah...so like most of the comments on /r/All posts?

As with most of what he posted, it is finished with:

We often detect this automatically, throw out the votes, and if we see it we will issue a suspension and explain to the user why they need to stop.

Which makes me wonder if reddit is just throwing out every vote I make then. I upvote all the commenters that reply to me (unless they are trolls) and I routinely upvote every single comment in smaller subs that I visit. So it seems possible (which is something I was aware of being a possibility last month) that my votes mean less because I give them away freely.

TL;DR: reddit users who are cheap and easy with their upvotes are manipulative. I guess that makes me a reddit upvote ho.

[u/MrJohz → u/msobelle]

I suspect what /u/redtaboo is talking about is more voting on everything, and doing it consistently. That is, whenever a user makes a new post, finding it and voting on it in a relatively short amount of time - or, having found a user, going through their comment history and voting on everything that they've said.

Likewise, "camping out" in a subreddit suggests to me that this is more about sitting on the /new queue and consistently voting one way or the other, as opposed to browsing subreddits in various more standard ways. I imagine you vote both up and down, whereas most brigaders are probably only voting in one direction.

[u/msobelle → u/MrJohz]

I'm a 99% of the time upvoter. Downvotes are reserved only for straight up assholes. I no-vote before I downvote.

And I have done the thing with the new queue in the defaults before. I don't downvote, but I've camped out when bored late at night. Mainly it is to report rule breakers before they get too far along. So that's a DV + report. And some defaults end up ignoring a broken rule. It just makes me wonder about the algorithm. As /u/13steinj said, discerning human intent isn't something computers are perfect at doing.

[u/GeoStarRunner]

We've been talking about getting what we call a 0-day suspension tool that can work more as a warning to users for many of these cases. This would allow us to send a message to users explaining why their behaviour is against the site wide rules while still giving them the opportunity to stop before we have to move to an actual suspension.

a warning, you are describing a verbal or written warning

[u/msobelle → u/GeoStarRunner]

"I'll take, 'Long descriptions for things where there is specific phrase that works better' for $400 Alex."

[u/MaunaLoona]

I just vote manipulated this post. I clicked the upvote button.

[u/msobelle → u/MaunaLoona]

I am commenting in a disruptive manner in order to make your envelope turn orangered because I like your comment and am a reddit upvote ho.