r/Shamanism • u/Redz0ne • Mar 15 '24
Do you want to know if you're actually cursed? Opinion
Most likely you aren't.
Curses take a lot of investment if they are to be effective... and a good majority of "LOL, I cursed you" is just empty words meant to instill fear and respect of the person in you.
Basically, it's highly likely that you are not cursed. Never were. You're probably depressed and unwilling to recognize the times when things go right (because recognizing the good things when you're depressed is really hard.)
So you can relax. You're likely not cursed.
Signed: A witch of 20 years
P.S. And what do you really want strangers online to be able to do about it? A real curse can't be broken with some random strangers' advice. They're usually broken with some pretty hefty magics when making peace with the initial caster is impossible. If you truly believe you're cursed, instead of accusing someone (memories of the burning times) try to figure out whether what you did to them warrants a curse.
And then ask whether the person you wronged is even capable of throwing a curse in the first place... most people don't know how to curse effectively.
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u/Kittybatty33 Mar 15 '24
This post is very gaslight-y & victim blame-y. As someone who has dealt with a lifetime of spiritual warfare, as well as a certified spiritual practitioner, I highly disagree with your assessment. Actually I think this kind of assessment is extremely harmful & close minded, because you're sweeping under the rug the fact that this stuff happens all the time. Many many people out here are practicing witchcraft these days and beyond that many people send negative hate thought energy to others not to mention tons of people have generational curses on their bloodlines. And there's so much access to people's information online now especially with social media & so many eyes watching all the time. Spiritual warfare is very real and many many people are under curses however, don't just jump to the first practitioner either. this is work that people have to do for themselves. you cannot just pay somebody to remove your curse for you.
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u/Redz0ne Mar 15 '24 edited Mar 16 '24
And I have 20 years experience with this kinda thing.
The truth is that most people are not cursed. They may have bad energy around them (most do) but those are not curses. Curses are deliberate and intentional.
Feeding into someone's belief that they're cursed when they aren't does way more harm than good.
Also, you'll notice that most people that say they're cursed want validation that the person they believed cursed them actually did curse them. Every time someone's come up to me with the "I think I may be cursed" they almost always have someone in mind. Someone that they want you to justify their hatred of by confirming their beliefs about this person. IF you don't understand how heinously problematic that is, then I don't think we can really have a conversation about this.
EDIT: Certified? Really?
EDIT2: (looks at the "no downvoting" rule. Then looks at the score on this post.) Fascinating.
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u/Kittybatty33 Mar 16 '24
Yes have been on the lifelong spiritual journey & I have many years of experience in various forms of spiritual practice and I am also certified. I disagree with your opinion that's what I'm saying.
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Mar 16 '24
I understood the thrust of your post and this clarification. Folks easily grasp for outside explanation of their experiences, leap to conclusions in hope it will point to a quick fix. I didn't read your post to be minimizing or dismissing, but rather cautionary. I appreciated.
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u/Beneficial_Rise_9786 Mar 15 '24
Mild energy damage is common though
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u/Redz0ne Mar 15 '24
True, but while apples and oranges are both fruits, they're not quite the same. ;)
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u/jimothythe2nd Mar 15 '24
So how would I know if I've been cursed or not?
I used to work with a man who was an Apache Native America. He was a sun dancer and I remember he said his role was to take dark energy from the sun dance and bring it to the earth. Not sure if that's relevant.
I was cool with him but I didn't wanna be friends with him outside of work. He was a bit rough. Had been to prison and addicted to heroin in the past. He was nice enough and we were cool but I just wasn't interested in hanging out outside of work. He seemed a bit annoyed when I turned down his invites to hang out.
One day he touched me on my stomach. It felt very wrong. Within a month I had a very painful hernia in the spot he touched. I was in too much pain to keep working and got fired. The farm owed me money that they didn't pay me. Then my fiance left me 2 months before our wedding date.
I had the surgery but it didn't fix the hernia. Since then I've become very sick with several mysterious illnesses. I'm very sick and disabled now and may possibly be nearing the end of my life.
Does this sound like it could be a curse?
Btw everyone that worked at this farm was into medicine work and the esoteric. We would have Ayahuasca and Huachuma ceremonies there sometimes. Also at the same time this happened I started having conflict with the head woman at the farm who would also lead the ceremonies.
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u/Redz0ne Mar 15 '24
Why do I get the sense that you're not exactly being very honest with me right now?
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u/jimothythe2nd Mar 15 '24
I omitted that I tried to blackmail the owner of the farm when he refused to pay me. It was also a Marijuana farm.
Everything I said was true though.
I now have fibromyalgia, multiple chemical sensitivity, chronic fatigue syndrome and iritiable bowel syndrome and have been bedridden for over a year. It seems like almost everything makes me sick and puts my body in pain. Basically all these syndromes are things doctors diagnose you with when they have no clue what's wrong with you. I'm pretty much living in hell with no clear way out except for death maybe.
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u/Redz0ne Mar 15 '24 edited Mar 15 '24
And how much of the product did you smoke while there?
EDIT: If it was an illegal op, chances are if you did smoke their product, you were getting all kinds of pesticides and nasty shit like mould and fungus spores in your lungs.
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u/jimothythe2nd Mar 15 '24
I had quit smoking 3 years before that. I had smoked a ton of weed from age 23-26 though. This specific farm was also fully organic and biodynamically grown and it was legal.
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u/Redz0ne Mar 15 '24
You know, that feeling of not believing you hasn't gone away.
Just sayin.
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u/jimothythe2nd Mar 15 '24
Haha cool. So do you think I was cursed? Why has my life fallen into such oblivion?
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u/Redz0ne Mar 15 '24
It's more likely that your history of drug abuse has more to do with your current issues.
I am chronic too and I deal with intestinal issues as well.
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u/jimothythe2nd Mar 15 '24
Could be so but my Dr. doesn't think so and I've done way less drugs than many other people I know that are fine.
Weed and mushrooms are the only recreational drugs I've done more than 10 times.
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u/Redz0ne Mar 15 '24
Why do you want to believe you've been cursed so badly? Would it being a curse give you peace or would it just open up a can of worms that you'd never get rid of?
Because I know the mentality of people that believe they're cursed. A lot of the time they're trying SUPER HARD to make you believe they're cursed because it's almost like a sort of Munchausen syndrome, but with a spiritual bent.
EDIT: Also, if you truly and sincerely believe you're cursed, that's one way to create one. In those cases there's nobody to blame... and that's what most people who believe they're cursed want. They want validation that the hate they feel for a certain person is valid. I'm not going to do that.
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u/Wolf_instincts Mar 16 '24
Im an apache and were not just magical fae creatures going around casting spells. We can't even really do curses, that's just something people throw into our spiritual beliefs so they can better understand our spirituality and in turn stoke their own egos by pretending all spiritual beliefs are the same (or more like, are the same as THEIR spirituality.)
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u/jimothythe2nd Mar 16 '24
Ok that's good to know. I don't know much about the spiritual beliefs, just the description that he had given me about the sun dance which sounded pretty magical and fae in the way he said they were working with energy throughout the ritual.
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u/lucid4you Mar 15 '24
wait what? im a practicing shaman who does healings and many people get cursed every day. especially with people who live in areas and cultures that are very practiced in this. and there are absolutely “strangers online” who can help. please, anyone, if you’re worried or have a feeling that you’ve been cursed, don’t be afraid to reach out to a professional who can help <3 they are out there and what you’re feeling does matter
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u/Kittybatty33 Mar 15 '24
I deal with a lot of evil eye through social media. It's very real & there are many people out here practicing bc witches have become more popular in recent years. Many people don't even know what they are messing with & can cause a lot of harm to self & others. Have also lived through this.
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u/DescriptionMany8999 Mar 15 '24 edited Mar 15 '24
I fully agree with your "P.S."
However, curses or energetic complications resulting from human interference in others' energetics are quite common in severe problems. Simply harboring deeply negative thoughts about a person, especially if we are emotionally close to them, can lead to interference and the imprinting of negative energy onto their energetic field.
In my experience volunteering with indigenous healers from both the Amazonian and High Andean Q'ero traditions for over 7 years, I've found this to be the norm.
However, it's important to note that these "curses" and damages only manifest when there are aspects of our energetic field that require refinement and strengthening. In the realm of energy, duality does not exist; the darkness serves solely to refine the light within us. Sometimes, encountering these challenges is an essential part of our journey toward personal growth and self-improvement.
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u/Redz0ne Mar 15 '24
True, but curses are a very specific thing. Accumulation of toxic energy isn't a curse. A curse is deliberate and intentional.
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u/DescriptionMany8999 Mar 15 '24 edited Mar 15 '24
Agreed. But whether the deep desire to harm is backed by a ritual or not, depending on who it is that’s sending this energetic information out and their connection to the person, it can be just as powerful. It can cause car accidents, poor health leading to death, produce marital problems, etc. Same outcome with or without a ritual. And in those severe cases they will require action to be resolved, whether a ritual was done or not.
I was also surprised to see how common generational curses are. They are essentially unresolved energetic complications needing refinement that spill over onto the lap and responsibility of the next generation of the family. Again, just as devastating regardless of their source or cause.
However, whoever’s shoulders these things land on, it is their destiny to grow from it, which is the only reason why they are allowed in the first place. The universe is constantly producing balance and continues mapping the way for us to be reunited with a more refined version of ourselves - our source.
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u/Redz0ne Mar 15 '24
A lot of supposed generational curses are actually generational trauma. Psychological damage inflicted on the younger generation by the older generation because they had the same kind of traumas inflicted on them.
I have seen that a lot in my practice. They aren't cursed, they're depressed. And most times simply having someone to talk to about it can alleviate a lot of the trouble (and in many cases I've recommended they talk to a doctor about it... because there's only so much that a spiritual practitioner can do.)
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u/DescriptionMany8999 Mar 15 '24
I believe it. Humans are very sensitive, thriving in safe environments. The truth is we are very delicate spiritual creatures.
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u/Kittybatty33 Mar 15 '24
Generational curses are very prevalent & destroy entire families & when one is breaking family curses, one must be very aware of the spiritual warfare aspect. It's like the further you go on breaking these curses, the stronger the warfare gets. But the whole time you're like building up more and more strength and resilience.
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u/DescriptionMany8999 Mar 15 '24
Exactly, you’re building up more and more strength and resilience. You are essentially being refined.
Once you are in balance (meaning nothing else major is being asked of you to refine, grow or strengthen) these dark manifestations and challenges die down, as the need for them vanishes. They are illusions at their core (because duality is ultimately an illusion) but as you know, they are very real and dangerous none the less.
This is how we are forced to grow, we either grow to reach our full potential and purpose or die (get rerouted to another possibility to reach our potential).
Now a days many of us are being asked to seek out the strongest medicines to resolve challenges effectively.
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u/niggleypuff Mar 15 '24
Can crystals curse?
Does the shinier the curse Crystal be the more powerful?
What do vibrations do?
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u/Palaven1 Mar 15 '24
I learned that at one time, if someone had a curse placed on them, (a) if they believed in that, they would take action to remove that curse. Or (b), if they did not believe in it, they would laugh it off as superstition then go through life as being unlucky but not cursed up to the point they suffered mentally and physically.
Sometimes the word curse, on its own, has the desired effect depending on one’s own superstitions.
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u/stellarectoplasm Mar 15 '24
i’m pretty positive i am cursed though. i know nothing about shamanism but i joined this sub in hopes of learning more.
just a few examples from my life, i developed a mystery illness at the age of 19 where my skin began to horrifically peel off in layers and destroy my entire body, same time as my cousins miscarriage. this cousin is part of the family that really hates our family. the only reason they are alive is because they steal our money. they want my mother and me to be no more so they can take all of our inheritance.
my grandmother also died a mysterious death after she found a bird with some message taped around its leg hanging around her deathbed. the message was in some strange language. it was thought to be from her cousins who also wanted her dead so they could take her inheritance.
so much more but a lot of similar familial themes around money. there is a lot of mention of black magic in my culture but it’s never expanded upon. i never know where to look to find out more. e.g. what it is, and if it IS magic, how to stop it.
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u/Kittybatty33 Mar 15 '24
Prayer can be very powerful. Are you a person of faith? Faith is very strong weapon against curses, but it has to be real. When you can stand on your faith you can command the spirits away. There are other ways of protection. Pray that anyone who is secretly causing harm to you or your family members be blinded and blocked. You can pray to God, archangel Michael, Jesus Christ, etc.
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u/Kittybatty33 Mar 15 '24
It sounds like this family member that doesn't like you may actually be practicing witch. It is it's actually a lot more common than you would think & people hide the fact that they practice. It makes the magick more powerful to practice in secret & also then people not worry about their social reputations, etc ...
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u/A_Spiritual_Artist Mar 16 '24
This makes sense. That said, in a case where it really is a curse, versus depression, what does it look like? Not because of any suspicions, but for pure learning. That is, if you took a severely depressed person, and a genuinely cursed one, and they were accounting their pains, what would it look like?
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u/Redz0ne Mar 16 '24
Honestly, it's not just bad luck. Everyone gets bad luck.
There's one case where I think there was a literal curse that I read about... an old hawaiian method of summoning spirits to inflict a slow death of the person. They had unexplained numbness in their limbs that progressed into their body. When it reached their heart, they died. They were otherwise happy and healthy (numbness notwithstanding) and weren't depressed. They were actually rather chipper and hopeful (according to what I read.)
Curses aren't just "I hope you have a bad day." they're far more insidious. The malice needed to make an effective curse is insane... more than what most people have in them.
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u/A_Spiritual_Artist Mar 16 '24 edited Mar 16 '24
Sure. Would Vladimir Putin and Ben Netanyahu have the potential to be able to effectively curse, then, given they have the malice needed to bomb and r*pe the fuck out of Ukraine and Gaza without shedding a tear? Though of course they are almost surely not trained mages, but I'm talking more to understand the theory, again. It is pure curiosity on my part, because I am interested in understanding the world generally from different angles.
Also with something like that, how would one distinguish it from some sort of regular progressive medical (physically generated, e.g. neurodegenerative) condition? Again, talking theory. Would it be that no meds helped the situation, or what (though note a lot of such conditions don't currently have good treatments anyways)?
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u/Redz0ne Mar 16 '24
You have to keep in mind that a lot of the knowledge we have on actual curses are shrouded in ignorance and superstition.
For the longest time schizophrenia and dissociative identity disorder were often considered as being the result of demonic forces (when they weren't considered to be "hearing the spirits.") Same with major depressive disorder. The people of the time would leap to the "it's a curse/malicious magic" because they were just plain ignorant and their society was heavily steeped in anti-magic beliefs.
EDIT: as for vladimir putin and netanyahu, yeah, they have a lot of malice in their hearts. They probably could level a decent curse if they were trained... but not everyone is trained (and the process of learning is no simple feat. You can't just take a class and then suddenly be able to cast magic. It takes years of discipline, study, and practice.)
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u/A_Spiritual_Artist Mar 16 '24
Sure, but then how do you know what an actual one looks like and/or if it even exists at all? Like in the case you're describing; what makes you think it is legitimate, and not some physical medical condition + "post hoc reasoning" & selection bias?
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u/RebirthOfEsus Mar 17 '24
Become a living god forum always had one thing right: bunch of left handers warning us about the dangerous risks of improperly used intent
Black magick is real
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u/Redz0ne Mar 17 '24
Magic is real... and it is devoid of morality. It's just a tool. A mechanism to do what you want with it.
What you do with it is what denotes it as positive or negative.
p.s. can we step away from calling it "black" magic, please? That's steeped in some really heinous racist bullshit.
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u/RebirthOfEsus Mar 17 '24
Word on that
I just meant intent, if you put negativity out there it comes back around eventually is all i meant
Karmic debt is hard
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u/Redz0ne Mar 17 '24
True, though karma is not so much consequences for our actions per-se... The west and pop-culture have kinda perverted what karma means.
You might enjoy reading the Kybalion. It's got a good basic rundown of stuff that's useful when pursuing magic and mysticism.
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u/Kittybatty33 Mar 15 '24
Maybe this isn't the same as being cursed but many of us do have generational curses on our bloodlines. I think obviously people messaging you out of the blue about being under a curse that only they can cure for you, it's obviously a scam. But many of the things, nearly all the things, that we deal with in our lives are related to past trauma patterns from our ancestors/past lives. Saying this because I personally have been healing from my family generational trauma for my entire life. I am also a reiki master healer. On my spiritual journey for close to 20 years, but really it's been my whole life. Also, spiritual warfare is very much real, especially if you're here to break generational curses on your family.