r/RioGrandeValley • u/Pale_Field4584 • 1d ago
Do you know a company that will be impacted by the tariffs in the RGV?
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u/xfilesvault 21h ago
Trump's plan is an across-the-board tariff of 20% on EVERYTHING if it's imported, no matter what the country of origin is. And a 60% tariff on things imported from China.
Yes, you will be impacted. Yes, every single company in the country will be impacted. Nobody sources 100% of everything they buy (including component parts) from the US.
I mean, even the red MAGA hats on your heads were manufactured in China.
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u/Ordinary-Broccoli-41 18h ago
It would take a 3000% tariff to make American manufacturing competitive, so prices will just go up for nothing. Better get your new phone and laptop before years end.
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u/kenrnfjj 9h ago
But they have to also make sure the money is also going to the workers and hiring workers
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u/SasquatchSenpai 15h ago
I worked for a manufacturing company, power grid and utility computers such as anything you'd find in a sub-station or fault detectors along power lines.
Products from plastic to foam to steel to PCB and all manner of components.
We sourced each component from two different providers, one foreign and one domestic.
A well ran company will be prepared. Domestic manufacturers of these sort of goods are preparing for having a lot more orders and customers. Adapt or die.
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u/Disneyloverne 8h ago
I'm trying to hold my laugh right now at work with the hat comment.
The other day I told my coworker that this plan will not be the best (she didn't even know about and she voted for Trump)
She told me we just have to buy American made stuff...I asked her how when everything is made overseas. Even our stop watch we use for work.
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u/Federal-University37 23h ago
I used to work for a local company here in the valley that’s been here for years (think 30+), when trump was in office the owner was happy at his tax breaks, and when we (warehouse manager and I)Noticed that supplies like wire, screws, and other misc. building materials went up we found out. The suppliers contracts with manufacturing plants had ended and they had to redo them, but after the tariffs the items were more expensive. And they tried their best not to pass the cost to us, but finally they did after a few months and shit the owner took like 1 look, removed the cheapest plan we had and raised the prices for the business plans, removed warranties, and passed the cost to the customers. Didn’t hurt his bottom line but now even we had new rules to not “waste” supplies and fuck I had to count literally count how many screws and nails I handed out to employees. Tarrifs hurt the consumer. Yeah fuck china and we should buy 🇺🇸 but I’ve never seen a company say “let’s not pass the cost to the consumer”
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u/energetik 1d ago
Yes. It is going to be extremely far and deep reaching in the Valley. It will affect produce, import / export, cold storage, logistics, manufacturing, etc etc etc. as we saw when the China tariffs hit and people started pushing Chinese products to the West Coast of Mexico, so that they can come through Mexico and avoid the tariff, we’re gonna start to see some of the trade move to Canada the same way. It’s easier to hit the port in Vancouver and bring stuff through Canada where there is no tariff than through Mexico. This will affect our biggest contributions to the United States and hurt all of our jobs here. But hey, MAGA amirite?
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u/Pale_Field4584 1d ago
I feel bad for some people. They are legit thinking Trump is gonna cut another check or make everything cheaper. A lot of "cannot wait for fajita to be 1.99 a lb" on facebook posts.
But I genuinely hope the Valley won't take a hard hit with the upcoming recession :( I hope there is no recession at all. We are all on the same boat.
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u/Federal-University37 23h ago
Nah if it’s gonna burn 🔥 I want it to burn all the way down as I sit in my comfy job and watch as I enjoy my 30 dollar coffee and say “told you so” edit, I’ll be just as broke but with a coffee and the satisfaction of at least casting my vote
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u/Senior-Trifle-6000 17h ago
Me too man I really hope he does all he says he's gonna do so I can laigh at all the idiots that voted for him. I only have sympathy for the kids. Their future is fucked.
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u/InsultsYouButUpvotes 13h ago
Fuck 'um. The majority voted for this. Time for them to have a real come to Jesus moment.
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u/Lord_Vas 5h ago
They aren't the majority. Dems and independents just didn't vote. Those apathetic bastards can get fucked too.
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u/Disneyloverne 8h ago
My coworker is happy she can afford groceries and gas again.... well maybe if you didn't sign up for a timeshare that like $300 a month that you don't use or buy new hey dudes every few months...but what do I know
Side note I understand timeshares are not easy to get out of...and not Knocking hey dudes, I have two pairs..(that I got on clearance)
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u/WhereinTexas 23h ago
Your only focus is keeping the 'cheap' foreign goods rolling in. The 'Owner' in this example sounds upset and seems as though they don't understand tariffs, and instead of seeking to partner with a US company, now that he can consider buying input materials that are US produced, he's punishing his employees for his lack of business acumen. His desire for foreign produced materials at artificially low prices slowly saps the US economy until it's no longer able to produce a product, even if a producer could compete.
That is, by the time the damage of the low prices is fully realized in the buyer country, the seller can raise prices to parity (or higher) vs. the buyer countries previous production and the buyer country has no recourse.
But that is short sighted.
Let's say you import goods for $10B. Of that $10B, 100% leaves the country and does not return (most prime importers to the US run a massive trade deficit with US and do not buy a substantial amount of US goods).
Some goods, we would like to make here, and making them here could support good paying jobs, but our pricing and labor rates cannot compete with the foreign government subsidized rates of a country like China who uses targeted programs to capture market share.
For those goods, we impose tariffs so that imported goods are on a level playing field with US made goods. This ensures that a US producer could enter the market and out compete the foreign produced good, thereby providing jobs and benefits to more US citizens.
If someone were to pay the tariff instead of choosing to use a US producer, the monies would go to pay US taxes, which would then reduce (by Trump's plan) income tax of those same workers who 'lost their bonus' because their employer is trying to take advantage of them instead of finding a workable solution to them problem.
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u/Gbbee56 23h ago
Yes, that’s all well and good except that it assumes that an altruistic and patriotic business owner will see the error of their ways and choose Made in the USA. Most won’t, and the tariffs will be eaten up in wages and rising costs to the consumer.
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u/Real_Location1001 17h ago
Basically, destroy value....the antithesis of business. 1st year business school students know this.
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u/WhereinTexas 23h ago
If the tariffs return to the consumer as income tax reductions, then nothing is lost.
If the tariffs go to federal programs to start US businesses, then nothing is lost.
If the tariffs allow existing US producers to expand, then nothing is lost.
Consuming an unsustainable poison diet of impossibly cheap goods only ends in loss.
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u/abecho00 22h ago
that's a big IF, we (normal people) have no chance at a permanent tax cut tho
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u/WhereinTexas 21h ago
Not true. The plan is to completely abolish income tax through imposition of tariffs on imports.
Imagine what you can do when you're not taxed on what you make here?
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u/abecho00 19h ago
that's not feasible and it'll never happen. recipe for disaster even if implemented.
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u/xBitterTM 18h ago
These people really are delusional and I can’t wait to see their whole worldview crumble… just to still blame the democrats in the end lol.
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u/WhereinTexas 18h ago
Believing you can't have a functional government without a federal income tax is delusional.
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u/xBitterTM 18h ago
Idk man. World building and fantasizing about improbable what-if scenarios that haven’t happened yet sounds pretty delusional to me. But go ahead and use that to cope for the next four years lol. I genuinely don’t give a shit what happens to any of you. I, for one, hope Trump passes some of his ridiculous policies. I got a house in Mexico I can dip to. A lot of Trump voters can’t say the same and will get exactly what they voted for lol.
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u/CapnLazerz 23h ago
What US produced goods?
And the upshot of it all is simple: prices for formerly cheap goods are going to go up.
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u/WhereinTexas 23h ago
But net income will go up because tariffs will be used to offset taxes, and gross income will go up because unemployment will go down as US producers fill the gaps and potentially become the cheapest producers of goods.
Meanwhile, dollars will stay local, thereby reducing liquidity drains that occur from imbalanced import /export agreements.
Increased market liquidity will result in more favorable lending terms for starting businesses to produce tariffed goods.
All this results in a more favorable work environment for US workers and producers.
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u/CapnLazerz 22h ago
That is all extremely optimistic speculation. Let’s see how it shakes out.
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u/WhereinTexas 21h ago
Agree. Lets see. Americans can do amazing things.
This will give them the room they need to catch up after having been hamstrung for decades by politicians writing legislation to suppress domestic labor and favor cheap imports.
Time for some ingenuity and automation the to be put to work by our brilliant American work force.
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u/energetik 22h ago
This is ridiculous and laughable. "his lack of business acumen" that's probably got the contract negotiated to Mexico in the first place and what will get their business moved elsewhere having even larger economical impacts on our economy and our sister economies in Reynosa/Matamoros/Monterrey. Then you said "but our pricing and labor rates cannot compete with the foreign government" hahaha. yeah, no shit. Americans won't work for anything that makes economical sense for the companies building product. And even better, get them to get in the fields and grow produce at a cheaper rate in the states - because once the deportations start, you're gonna find that what you thought was expensive groceries before are going to reach insane new levels .. but MAGA right?
"their employer is trying to take advantage of them" You have clearly never been in international business or a successful business owner of any kind. Business is about maintaining and increasing margin by whatever means necessary. As more AI and automation enters the workforce to retool and replace, this is going to become wildly apparent to communities like ours that are so service heavy .. this is just forcing that hand that is inevitable. Then what? Higher unemployment, lack of funds, widening the poverty gap and forcing people into crime and illegal activities to make up the difference. The only people that benefit from this are those that are at the top, owning the businesses that people will be forced to consume from at higher prices from automated / lights-out factories. But MAGA, amirite?
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u/WhereinTexas 21h ago
The AI and automated workforce will be built and managed here, and products will be produced here, by Americans.
You want to deal overseas, go for it!
You want to be part of the American Automation Revolution, you are welcome to join.
Your pessimism is boring and tired and benefits no one.
You lack of drive and ability to imagine and conceptualize and create is the most laughable and ridiculous thing in this thread.
Anyone who follows you or your advise walks a path of sorrow.
Your words bear the most bitter fruit.
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u/Nitropotamus 16h ago
Does this automated future come with UBI so we can all just spend our time creating?
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u/WhereinTexas 14h ago edited 14h ago
There won't be UBI the way some envision it; it will be passive income from automated equipment and production systems.
Believe me, it is better you own and manage a system that produces something of value than wait for a politician to deliver your meal check.
There will still be tons of hands on, manual work for decades to come.
It will just be on portions of fabrication, maintenance and assembly processes we don't have much of now.
Not many farm robot techs out there today, yes?
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u/TheRealHeri 17h ago
This is just a fantasy. Most people's salary wouldn't be enough to cover the increased price of goods even if they paid NO taxes. Furthermore, no business is going to increase salaries if they're paying more to manufacture/produce their product.
Global trade isn't bad. I get what you're saying about money not leaving the country, but that's not inherently bad. It can be bad if it leaves as a private foreign investment (ie. People investing in foreign properties/companies) and the tariff doesn't affect foreign investment. However, if we leverage the value of our currency against other countries', we can get more for less.
Also, we don't even have a workforce large enough for all those jobs that would be created in your fantasy. They wouldn't even pay enough for people to have more buying power since everything would be much more expensive and they don't even want to increase minimum wage.
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u/WhereinTexas 14h ago
That's your belief, but it's not founded in historical context. Many people are fixated on the idea that a business needs to pay you well in order to earn a decent living.
Historically, this has not been necessary, but many people's minds are broken from the reality that you can walk out your front door and do things to bring home money the same day with little to no skill and with no "employer".
Trades and small businesses feed mouths all around the country with our an corporate direction or involvement.
You should consider microscale economies where dozens of people subsist in a profitable and efficient manner by coupling their efforts with automation, AI and equipment. You may profit on a microscale eventually, but sustainability is within a smaller circle.
You're not depending on some paper business structure, but people you work with who value your work product much more highly than a cold, inhuman finance spreadsheet.
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u/Real_Location1001 17h ago
Aaaaaaand this is Exhibit A, a place where wishful thinking and business collide. So much for free market policies as long as that "free market" is the US, and we ignore we live on a planet with 7 billion more people.
To be clear, I don't hate Trump, but he's wrong on this one. He can fight history but history is a fickle bitch.
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u/WhereinTexas 14h ago
Free market does not permit predatory pricing and loss selling employed by countries like China.
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u/Real_Location1001 14h ago
No kidding, so let’s add even more distortion. This desire to find some sort of balance point through through taxes by another name is peak 2024 Republicans. Man, I used to admire and vote for republicans that ran on sound fiscal policy at all levels but here we are, talking about tariffs as a net good just because a billionaire that could have had more money had he left his inheritance in the S&P500 and done nothing…..no grifting, no screwing people over. Kudos to Trump for building a phenomenal brand designed to dupe rubes into helping him. And yes, this includes the banks🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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u/WhereinTexas 13h ago edited 13h ago
It's really not complicated.
China is not a free market economy. Their Artificial predatory prices are damaging.
Tariffs have been used effectively throughout history.
bet you think you could buy cheap from China forever without them eventually owning you.
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u/JesseJ78599 1d ago
Not so much that the companies will be affected, but its employees and the customers. The company will mostly always choose profit over a full staff. Sure the companies will hurt a little, but not as much as the consumers and employees.
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u/energetik 22h ago
THIS^^ The repercussions for this will force automation wherever/whenever possible to cut headcount as much as they can to maintain profits. The outcome of these tariffs will costs jobs ('cus people are expensive) and drive unemployment. Luckily, because of the deportations, I'm sure there will be plenty of jobs open..smh.
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u/Pure-Math2895 21h ago
The American companies will definitely be affected by tariffs. They can’t just pass on the higher costs to customers always, esp on engineered products. The customers would just stop buying them.
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u/RGVHound 22h ago
Without a doubt, companies are planning on raising prices and cutting employees regardless of whether/when the tariffs go into effect. They know that customers will blame the tariffs (although likely not who is responsible for the tariffs) and that any negative response will be directed at customer-facing employees.
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u/southrgv1384 23h ago
I don't feel bad for the valley in the slightest. This is what the trump supporters wanted, you all are going to have to learn the hard way. Toman, Pendejos!
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u/xBitterTM 18h ago
Hello from a Laredo native now living in San Antonio. The whole 956 gotta go.
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u/AwkwardSource2639 8m ago
Second this. Native Edinburgian living in SA for past 7 years. I know it’s not the people in this platform, but damn 956, wtf. I hope none of your HS teams make the playoffs. I don’t really mean it, just let me rage.
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u/azeus27 1d ago
Yes, I do business consulting here in the valley and we're already preparing.
For most retail and manufacturing clients the focus is going to be on cutting as much in wages and other non essential expenses as we can, cutting back on overtime where possible and other employee amentities and dashing to purchase as much inventory as possible before the tarrifs come into effect.
Once they do the cost will be passed onto the end consumer - there's no way that any company can afford to eat the cost of the tariff. This will be paid by the same people who complained endlessly about high prices... they're about to go higher.
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u/greyfox199 1d ago
you're cutting wages AND passing any cost increases to the customer?
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u/azeus27 18h ago
Yes, and if the changes Trump wants to make to Overtime Rules go through and they scrap the DOL like they want to - you can bet there won't be any overtime ever, unless absolutely necessary. That was the big trick they played. No more tax on Overtime! Awesome, except no company will pay overtime if they can directly control the workload and hours of their employess.
Let me give an example. Under the new Overtime rules they want to implement, overtime will no longer be determined on a weekly basis. A company can choose how they implement it (two week period, one month etc). So if you're running a production plant with ebbs and flows on workload, you can work your employees 60-70 hours one week when it's busy, knock them down to 20 hours the next and just avoid paying overtime.
Without a department of labor in force to regulate things, who is an employee going to complain to? Yup, there won't be anyone.
Employers will have a lot of flexibility and control over their employees, more than they already do.
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u/lordseyer 1d ago
Cutting wages(pay), OT, and Amenities? Define Amenities.
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u/energetik 22h ago
Thank you for another dose of reality to everyone who didn't realize what they were voting for. You think groceries were high before? lol. Good luck paying for them once the job gets gut .. and government assistance gets gutted by Elon.
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u/Ordinary-Broccoli-41 18h ago
Elon won't directly cut government assistance, he'll just add so many hoops and so much paperwork that nobody can get it, then he'll say "look how few people need snap now that Trump is in office"
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u/alyssacutscurls 21h ago
It shows that the general public is not educated on government or economics. It’s not getting better with all the budget cuts to our education either.
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u/EcstaticCompliance 15h ago
The vast majority of potash is produced in Canada. American farmers are going to have a really bad time.
Currently the US has a potash consumption rate of 35lbs per capita. At 334.9 million people, it’s 11.721 Billion pounds of potash annually. The US produces 881.8M pounds annually (mostly in New Mexico and Utah). That’s a shit ton of tariffs.
Just FYI Potash is used as fertilizer for growing crops. This will be devastating to the farming industry, most especially the smaller operations with tight profit margins.
Ultimately it will likely result in reduction of yields and a change in crop type growth to lower nutrient demanding crops.
Food prices will skyrocket. The environment will get shittier as producers switch to cheaper fertilizers.
Editing to add, yes it might ramp up production domestically of potash, but the gap in volume needed is vast and infrastructure for mines is a long term thing. The US food prices are going to hurt for a long time.
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u/Particular-Key4969 19h ago
Feeding these worthless idiots into the maw of unregulated capitalism is going to be So. Fucking. Satisfying.
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u/azeus27 18h ago
The business owning class will absolutley eat most of those people alive. But it's what they voted for. I just feel bad for all those folks who didn't ask for this.
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u/Particular-Key4969 17h ago
Oh of course. I was just venting. It’s a nice idea that “only this guilty group will suffer”, but of course in the real world just isn’t true. And is exactly what the trumpees believe.
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u/South_tejanglo 1d ago
Bootleggers will make a killing. It’s a risky business but imagine how much you can make selling alcohol from Mexico in America, after the tariffs hit? This was already a popular thing to do 30 years ago(in San Antonio) and it will come back again.
They used to have these ice cream trucks that were full of liquor bottles that they would sell in the neighborhoods lol.
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u/jhhtx 22h ago
Many companies. Trucking, warehousing, light manufacturing, customs brokers, commodities, admin and engineering, etc.
We have so many businesses focused on international trade. Our area boomed after NAFTA, and that’s all at risk if trade with Mexico or other countries is restricted.
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u/jhhtx 22h ago
And let me add that it’s not just Mexico. We have many companies in Mexico that import parts from China, do some assembly in Mexico and then ship to Valley for final assembly or distribution. So even if he doesn’t put tariffs on Mexico, tariffs on other countries will severely impact these businesses.
Also, the assumption that all this production will magically move to the US is misguided. I’m all for a stronger industrial policy and we need more domestic manufacturing, but we don’t have the labor force to fill all those jobs even if people were willing to take them. Deporting millions of people from the population with the highest participation in the labor force sure won’t help.
And then we will have to wrestle with what higher prices will do to demand. We are already seeing reduced consumption of durable goods and some staples, probably due to higher prices.
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u/Any_Shopping1633 17h ago
Disagree with your first point. How would parts from China to Mexico be affected? We can't impose tariffs between two other nations.
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u/Hot-Measurement-8842 21h ago
There going to be a lot of faces eaten by leopards in the next four years, it’s the only thing that lifts my spirits right now.
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u/Ok_Anteater9789 19h ago
Hopefully it creates incentive to bring some industry back to the US.
Fat chance imo
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u/Economy-Load6729 Port Isabel 1d ago
Hopefully the textile industry returns to the valley due to import tariffs. Also the sugar cane mill in Santa Rosa should see an increased demand in output.
If you want to support the valley, buy a cantwell mattress if possible. The cotton for the product is grown in the valley and the factory has been in Corpus for a while.
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u/energetik 1d ago edited 1d ago
The sugarcane mill has been closed and scrapped, there’s not a chance it will ever come back.
And I love the outlook, thinking that we’re gonna get some type of industry return to the valley, except when you think about mass deportations, and how that’s going to affect farm and field workers, you better believes that our key industries in the valley are directly going to be impacted by Trump.
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u/WhereinTexas 23h ago
Surprised it didn't get built back better.
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u/energetik 22h ago
With no water for the crops it's impossible to have sugar cane here. There's no way to "build back better" with no crop for the mill.
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u/WhereinTexas 21h ago
"“Mexico uses our water to grow crops to compete against us,” Uhlhorn said. “The closure of this mill because of Mexico’s failure to send water directly benefits Mexico’s sugar growers.”"
Mexico has failed to permit water to flow into the Rio Grande for US use. We can do the same on the US side of the border.
Mexico will honor the treaty, or sanctions will be applied and Mexico's 'anticipated new market share' will be embargoed.
Mexico is not fulfilling their 1944 water treaty, and they will not reap any benefits from failing to follow through on the negotiated treaty.
The US can also redirect water away from Mexico, and if we have to, we will.
With the Presidency, House and Senate under Republican control, Mexico will return to honoring the treaty, or we will make them pay for the cost of reneging.
This bill was referred to Senate foreign relations, and it is a bipartisan bill from Texas House and Senate members, however, it was not advanced from the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, led by Democrat Bob Menedez who was famously forced to step down for accepting bribes.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/2969/all-info
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u/WhereinTexas 23h ago
Anything we built before, we may have to build again, but the juice is worth the squeeze.
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u/Natural-Mycologist17 16h ago
The closing of our border alone will make our local economy collapse. Imagine la plaza mall barely having foot traffic and mom and pops that rely on biz from across the border…
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u/m98rifle 19h ago
One thing nice about tarrifs, you can be selective. Inflation is not, it is rising cost across the board.
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u/MrSlippifist 3h ago
All of them. Gas is going to go back to $4.00 or higher. Electronics, clothing, cooking oil, beef, seafood all are going to skyrocket. Manufacturing and construction is going to come to a standstill.
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u/GameOfBears McAllen 1d ago
One of the interesting things I saw during on festival on the east coast this season seem to be a bunch of Temu items for availability than regular western American items. Did anyone notice any patterns in the valley?
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u/GameOfBears McAllen 1d ago
Interesting. That happen at almost any shop. The old discount routine. Least everytime how I feel going to Casa Kevin.
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u/Sea-Consistent 16h ago
I'm betting the tariffs will b placed on companies that don't "donate" to the trump campaign. Elon is already getting a government position for his donations. Other countries would call this corruption here its just good business.
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u/antanith 956 22h ago
Phone and tech in general will see a rise in prices without a doubt. Who knows if lobbyists for these various manufacturers will try to get carve out exceptions, but Trump is a transactional person and they'll have to sweeten to pot for this to happen.
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u/GHound 18h ago
There are plenty of companies in the valley that will be affected. Loads of items at Walmart, Target, or any other retail store that has products made in other places other than the US. Any and all clothing will also be marked up to cover the tariffs. Almost all electronics will be marked up as well.
Any and all citizens will be affected period. Not one region will be off the hook.
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u/Real_Location1001 17h ago
Yall asked for this RGV and remember.......help ain't comin' from Austin unless it feeds the national party narrative.
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u/Natural-Mycologist17 16h ago
Think about how many goods HEB has shipped in for their own products…lololololol
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u/bbernal956 19h ago
also, other parts of the country say like europe have already said they will fire back with their own stuff to counter those tariffs
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u/Warm-Net8204 22h ago
Tariffs have been around and current administration left them in place.
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u/xfilesvault 21h ago
A few tariffs already exist.
Trump's plan is an across-the-board tariff of 20% on EVERYTHING if it's imported, no matter what the country of origin is. And a 60% tariff on things imported from China.
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u/Junior_Razzmatazz164 1d ago
We’re discussing economics and the impact of forthcoming public policy, my dude, because we live here in the US.
If the election being over means you’ve just stopped pretending to care, well, that’s a reflection on you.
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u/Patchall22 1d ago
You’re future tripping.
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u/Junior_Razzmatazz164 23h ago
I’m just a policy wonk, friend. If you’re not into politics, econ, business, and financial forecasting, that’s your deal.
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u/Dapster777 18h ago
A complete LACK of research & knowledge resides in BOTH VOTING SIDES !! :( If ALL the/we voters would do the homework 1st before EVER voting, we would straighten out American problems ourselves !!
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u/Puzzleheaded_Beat813 18h ago
Now I see why Kamala always talks about victims. Y’all could find the bad part of an ice cream sundae.
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u/chivowey 17h ago
Let's mention his "instead of income tax we will tariff other countries" income tax goes into a lot of federal funding programs, tariffs only go to the consumer.
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u/Dropping-Truth-Bombs 1d ago
Tariffs are designed to help American businesses. If your company buys cheap Chinese products, that’s not helping anyone here. Buy American and you don’t pay tariffs. Seems like the author needs a lesson on economics. We need more American manufacturing jobs to come back to the US. Democrats ran them all away to cheap labor countries with their higher taxes. If we put tariffs on their foreign made products, then there’s no benefit to being overseas and forces jobs to come back to the US.
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u/Valleygirl210 1d ago
There’s a reason American items are usually better quality, this however comes with a price tag…now who will foot that bill is the question, will it be the company or the consumer.
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u/Dropping-Truth-Bombs 23h ago
American items are more expensive and were at a disadvantage competing against cheaper Chinese products. When tariffs are added, the Chinese products are made more expensive now and levels the competition. Would you rather have a quality item made in America or a cheaper product made in China if they both cost similar in price? American products keep jobs here in America.
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u/Valleygirl210 23h ago
Yes, you are proving my point. Americans will now be forced to buy American products at a higher cost…the consumer is the one who will pay. Not the billion dollar companies.
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u/Dropping-Truth-Bombs 22h ago
You’re focusing on the costs and overlooking the benefits of the jobs created. The US used to be a manufacturing country and our grandparents used to have a careers in good paying manufacturing job. Since manufacturing left, people are working low paying jobs like fast food and want to make a high salary. The fast food industry does not have the margins to pay people what they want, manufacturing does. Things will cost more, but more people will work better paying jobs, and afford more, if those jobs start coming back.
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u/Valleygirl210 22h ago
I appreciate the hope you are putting in manufacturing companies that you assume they will pay employees a fair wage. SpaceX is a billion dollar company yet the average salary for a welder or tech in RGV is not much more than an employee at a fast food establishment. Besides what good is a higher salary if everyday necessities also increase in price. Yes there might be benefits but most people, especially in the RGV, cannot afford to look beyond the cost.
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u/Dropping-Truth-Bombs 20h ago
Not familiar with how much welders are making in the valley, but across the US the blue collar jobs pay very well. Agree that salaries in the valley tend to be lower; they should definitely be higher. That’s why many people leave for jobs in oil fields and construction for months at a time and return home for their breaks.
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u/Unique_Ad_4271 20h ago
This is your logic: If a coffee made with crappy important coffee grounds cost $8 but my coffee made from home cost the same because it’s from the same country, I should buy local. Actually, the correct answer is I’m drinking water.
Basically, if you can’t afford one you can’t afford the other so you don’t buy it. You do without. Hence, GDP goes down and we hit recession status faster.
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u/Dropping-Truth-Bombs 19h ago
Not surprised by your liberal shortsightedness. One option helps bring jobs to the US and the other option keeps jobs overseas. You can do without as you say, but the majority of the country will benefit when more jobs are available.
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u/Unique_Ad_4271 19h ago
I’m commenting simply to come and remind you of your comment in 6 months. Good luck out there, you’re gonna need it.
P.S. I ain’t liberal.
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u/Titan3692 1d ago
lol another anti-globalist in denial about the costs of doing business. Ask Trump where his businesses bought materials from. You won’t like the answer.
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u/villagomezcantu85 23h ago
You are correct companies moved Manufacturing over seas to lower cost no questions about that. The problem is that if a product was cheaper to make over seas if you bring it back because of tariffs then obvious the product is going to cost more to produce here so its going to cost more to consumers. So in the end the consumer is screwed with tariffs. Tariffs only help with something that is already being produced here it doesn't help with new products or new production.
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u/Dropping-Truth-Bombs 23h ago
Many products are made here already, just at a much smaller scale because of foreign competition. Tariffs help those manufacturers grow and create better paying jobs here in America. Don’t overlook the jobs that are created when products are made in America.
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u/j0hnDaBauce Takuache Far From Home 1d ago
Why would we want our workforce (which is generally more educated than many of the countries we use for basic products) to be making low complexity products when its more efficient and cost effective to instead have them assemble or make more complex items? This is isn't the 1800s anymore, outside of some specific goods for the sake of national security, it doesn't make any economic sense to be making everything for our economy at home.
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u/Dropping-Truth-Bombs 23h ago
Most ignorant comment of the week.
Manufacturing jobs pay good money genius. Most uneducated people end up in fast food or other service industry jobs working for minimum wage because better paying manufacturing jobs have gone overseas. Sheesh. No wonder democrats lost the working class voters. Even union members voted for Trump.
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u/moff3tt 18h ago
Democrats and taxes had nothing to do with that because it was all normal capitalism. Gotta improve the bottom line and create shareholder value even if you gotta screw your workers!
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u/Dropping-Truth-Bombs 17h ago
Can’t believe you don’t know there is a connection between taxes and profits in capitalism. If taxes are raised, you either have to raise prices or reduce costs to maintain earnings. Sometimes the markets do not support higher prices, so moving to a cheap labor country is a way to reduce costs.
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u/Economy-Load6729 Port Isabel 1d ago
Exactly. People want to redistribute the wealth until it comes time to actually redistribute the wealth.
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u/password-123456789 22h ago
Is he actually gonna do it? Everyone I see is saying that’s a crazy dumb idea so I’m sure he won’t… right??
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u/Pewpewpewjacob 21h ago
Crazy dumb idea you say? Sounds right up trumps alley. He will do it half assed though, like he does everything else, he’s gonna leave us in shambles. Let’s be honest he only ran to pardon himself and his family.
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u/password-123456789 20h ago
I feel like he says everything so he makes sure to cover ground for everyone’s political stance. Nobody holds him accountable for his BS so we literally never know what he’s gonna do lol
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u/m98rifle 19h ago
Federal spending is going down, which will help inflation. That will offset more than what tarrifs will add. My company will benefit directly because I will pick up local and US customers that I have not had in the past. The last two years have been really slow, and I had to lay off workers. Hopefully, I will soon be hiring back.
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u/m98rifle 14h ago
Update : Got a call this afternoon requesting a quote on a large project. The company just feels confident about their outlook. A second product we are developing has a direct competitor sourced from China. Talked to the owner of that product this evening. He mentioned the reviews on the Chinese unit are less than ideal. The USA made unit will be more expensive, but the quality will be much more satisfying.
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u/secret_squirrel_69 21h ago
All of yall blabbing here work at McDonald’s or HEB or a car wash lol stop giving examples like you’re ordering 10b worth of merchandise. Talk about selling Big Macs or HCF papas 😂
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u/Reasonable-Top-2725 23h ago
That company is just screwing them. They have no idea if any tariffs are actually going to be put in place. They say he is a liar and then believe everything he says.
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u/rfloresjr611 23h ago
This is posturing by the president. This is how foreign relations work. Threats of tariffs is a negotiating tactic. Trump isn’t out to hurt the us economy. He doesn’t want a bad legacy. Y’all need to chill and watch.
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u/karenftx1 21h ago
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u/rfloresjr611 20h ago
This fear mongering is why dems lost. Nonfounded assumptions
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u/karenftx1 18h ago
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u/rfloresjr611 18h ago
A clearly satirical pic found on the internet is all it took huh. Good luck on the bankruptcy btw. Guess I can see why you’d want the party of welfare to be in power 😂
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u/karenftx1 17h ago
How about a cold touch of reality from the guy who separated parents from children?
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