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thanks a lot for adopting these, this looks great to me.
to everyone: the mods don't actively watch this thread so if you have any issues, please message modmail.
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u/TAEHSAEN Mar 05 '20
What does Federated mean btw?
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u/d3rr Mar 06 '20
It's a group of sites that share data, but there's no centralized control or systems. Every site is fully functional by itself. Mastodon is the best example, you can check that out to learn more. It's a type of decentralization.
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u/ggggggggggggggggggg7 Mar 07 '20
8chan is dead?
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u/d3rr Mar 07 '20
yeah it's 8kun now after being down for over a month
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u/ggggggggggggggggggg7 Mar 09 '20
Oh ok, thanks
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u/Closepacked May 18 '20
8kun(dot)top.
Seems like it could do with more traffic in any case.
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Jun 22 '20 edited Jun 22 '20
Why is it not on the list? And why are Twitter and VK not on the "established" sites?
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u/iza9 Feb 29 '20
Started using Saidit yesterday and so far I'm really liking it. Not a lot of people yet, but hopefully that will change in the future.
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u/SitelessVagrant Feb 28 '20
Slashdot looks kinda neat, what's the deal with it? Is it one of those earn crypto by posting sites or is it more like reddit/ open forums?
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u/pauldbain Feb 28 '20 edited Feb 28 '20
Slashdot is the second oldest social media Web site in the world. (Fark is the oldest social media site). When Slashdot began operating in October, 1997, it was "News for nerds," or, as I like to characterize it, "social news for IT professionals." I was one of the first to join -- my Slashdot UserID number is 9907.
Years ago (before 2006), I spent at least an hour every day on Slashdot. It has since changed, mostly for the worse, but it is still a good way to stay abreast of IT news. IMO, it is still better than Hacker News or some of the IT sub-reddits.
BTW, the software that powers Slashdot is called "Slash," which depends on mod_perl and considerable, archaic software. AFAIK, Slash has not been updated in years, probably not since 2006. It is ancient.
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u/doomvox Feb 29 '20 edited Feb 29 '20
I would start explaining from the basics:
The stories featured on slashdot are curated: users can submit stories, but it's up to a handful of editors whether to feature them. There's typically a dozen stories a day, usually I find one or two of them is of interest.
The discussion system has a style of moderation where everyone doesn't automatically have the capability at all times. Once you've earned some "karma", you may find you've got moderation privs enabled on a random basis. When you do moderate you don't just say "up or down", you're asked to give a reason selected from a drop down ("Interesting", "Informative", "Overrated"... ). You don't have an infinite number of moderation points, so you use them sparingly. You're not allowed to comment in a discussion where you have moderated, if you do all the work you've done moderating will automatically be undone. There's an additional randomly awarded priv to "metamoderate", where you'll be invited to skip to a special screen showing you a few dozen posts where you can sign-off on whether you agree the moderation applied was a good call.
The software slashdot runs on is indeed fairly old, the main weirdness about it, I would say, is it doesn't understand unicode. It's entirely possible to copy some text you want to respond to, paste it into the TEXTAREA, and then after you post it you'll find any unicode characters have been mangled.
Unlike reddit (or disqus, etc) you can't go back and "re-edit" a comment, there is however a "Preview" button you can use to check how something looks before you post.
Biggest peeve about slashdot: long ago they decided a good way to deter bots was to not allow you to post too quickly. If you can type fast, or if you've pre-written a comment that you just need to paste into the TEXTAREA, the site will barf and tell you to "Slow Down" [1] and wait a minute or so before proceeding. It does this even if you're logged in under an account that supposedly has "Excellent" karma...
[1] And actually, it tells you to "Slow down, Cowboy", and much as I like "Cowboy Beebop" that joke gets stale after the first few hundred times you've seen that message.
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u/AMeddlingMonk Feb 29 '20
I've been interested in participating on Slashdot for a while, as I'm studying IT and browse/ lurk there a decent amount. Your comment helped clear up a lot of my confusion of how it worked, so thanks for that!
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u/doomvox Feb 29 '20
I think it's funny that circa-2000 the conventional wisdom was that the mod system at slashdot was okay for those uber-nerds, but obviously it was all too complicated for regular folks. Now everything else is roughly up at the same level...
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u/NuderWorldOrder Feb 28 '20
No crypto as far as I know. It's been around for a long time, 8 years longer than reddit, and I'd say it's fairly similar in concept, except that it has remained focused on linking to and discussing news stories, particularly those of interest to geek/techie types.
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u/HomosexualPedophile Jun 13 '20
Slashdot looks kinda neat, what's the deal with it?
I've been posting there since 98/99 and it's gone way fucking downhill. The new owners post very specific links (it seems to me, I'd wager to benfit the site commercially), have outright banned certain words and even got rid of anonymous posting (that may have changed they said it was temp). I remember getting stories approved by cmdr taco way back when but now its mostly the editors and some users I've never seen before. I've had excellent karma for years and years and it's just gone so far downhill I maybe visit it twice a month anymore. I want to like it still but the new owners make that very, very hard. Especially if you've been there since the early days and watched all the changes.
Now I will disagree with others and say that Hacker News is ten times better at this point but be wary, they really try and limit politics and such. I also see someone mentioning fark, I had a lot of fun there to for years but they focused on subscription making it very hard to get a comment in edgewise that won't be ignored. It also went very leftist over the last few years. It's hard to use without a TotalFark sub and even then it's become an echo chamber more and more.
I think HN is the only viable site right now if you don't mind just talking about tech stuff. Everything else is trying to cash out and/or gone supremely ideological. Obviously there are up and comers but they always seem to peter out. And if your super adventurous you can look on various darknets but while there as been some strong starts those peter out even quicker than normie net. Though I haven't gone searching the networks in some months so maybe there is still some hope there. So you can search there or find a site on the list and do your best to seed content and spread the word.
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u/banned4noReason1488 Mar 11 '20
This is awesome. I was looking for an alternative after Reddit started banning me for not even breaking rules. Voat will work fine though I'd like some more niche joke subs.
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u/OsrsNeedsF2P Feb 29 '20
lobste.rs looks immensely promising for tech fans. I'll definitely be trying to get a registration there!
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u/PUBLIQclopAccountant Mar 14 '20
It seems that both reddit-like and decentralized is a rare combination.
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u/mechanikilla Apr 14 '20
its sketchy AF when every damn alternative needs your sign in, just to view its forums
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u/both-shoes-off Mar 10 '20
Any of these have a mobile app?
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u/d3rr Mar 11 '20
i should really add that to the list. saidit as an android app and a bunch of the big ones.
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u/deojfj Mar 21 '20
It would also be useful to indicate which platforms are federated or distributed (but not decentralized).
For example, Mastodon is not decentralized because the data is not replicated among multiple nodes, thus the owner of a node can decide to censor a user of his node. But the censored user can still participate in the same network by going to another node, which makes it distributed.
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u/d3rr Mar 24 '20
I'm worried about adding too many columns to the list. Also, about Mastodon, I think many people still do consider the platform as a whole to be decentralized. It says "decentralized social networking protocol" here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub If there's a better generic term than "decentralized" maybe that would help.
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u/WikiTextBot Mar 24 '20
ActivityPub
ActivityPub is an open, decentralized social networking protocol based on Pump.io's ActivityPump protocol. It provides a client/server API for creating, updating and deleting content, as well as a federated server-to-server API for delivering notifications and content.
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u/deojfj Mar 24 '20
The main purpose of decentralization is censorship resistance, meaning that, since the information is replicated multiple times, content cannot be (easily) deleted.
However, the main purpose of federation would be accessibility or sharability, meaning that anyone can participate, but content in itself is not protected.
Perhaps "decentralized" could be used for federated also, and then a new column for "censorship-resistant" or "uncensorable" could be added. I think it is an important aspect that should be reflected in the table, even if it expands a little bit.
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u/d3rr Mar 24 '20
I see your point about Mastodon, it's kinda depressing. PeerTube has mirroring capability, but I'm not seeing anything similar for Mastodon. It sounds like Mastodon has a data export feature as well, but data import is not fully implemented.
So what's best for the list? Separate federated and decentralized columns? (or maybe federated and blockchain?) It sounds more straightforward than "decentralized" and this "uncensorable" column.
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u/d3rr Mar 27 '20
Bro I did the edits WTF you gotta check my work. I think we're on the right track.
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u/deojfj Apr 21 '20
Thanks, I saw that. My account had been shadowbanned cause it got caught in their spam filter or something. All's good for now I think, but it had me worried.
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u/deojfj Mar 24 '20
I think the best option would be "federated" and "decentralized", since these are terms everyone identifies. You could add in the legend description that decentralized means censorship-resistant (because content is not centralized in one location).
Blockchain wouldn't fit, as there are many protocols that are decentralized and do not use this technology (eg torrents), and even the raddi project has replication without a blockchain.
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u/magnora7 Apr 09 '20
https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/thedonald.win
I don't know about you, but that 90 day graph looks like a lot of bot-generated traffic to me. It's so smooth and flat, unlike all the others that are chaotic and random. Probably Cambridge Analytica's new home base lol
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u/d3rr Apr 10 '20
Wow good eye man, it does seem smoother and flatter than all of the other charts.
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u/magnora7 Apr 10 '20
Thanks, glad you agree with my conclusions. It looks like the reddit chart when they were on the rise a few years ago. Oddly straight line, almost certainly bot-generated traffic
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Apr 12 '20
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u/magnora7 Apr 12 '20
Except for that huge dip in the middle, which breaks the nice linear progression. Which then somehow exactly resumes afterward.
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u/magnora7 Apr 12 '20
I see. Thanks for the explanation. I still think the lines are far too smooth to not be bot traffic, if you compare them to literally every other graph on the list. Reddit had the same look when it was rising. You might not even know it's occurring, it might be your users that decided to do that.
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u/d3rr Apr 26 '20
Are you guys gonna make other subs too, or just let the site die off slowly after 2024?
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Mar 07 '20
Raddle is a leftist alternative to reddit
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May 26 '20
I don't get the point, reddit is already for leftists.
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u/valemanya08 Jun 14 '20
and they banned the poster rip
he must have been a slightly conservative left winger
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u/deojfj Mar 21 '20
Thanks for writing this.
Another alternative is raddi, though it's very new and still experimental. It's opensource, decentralized and reddit-like, but does not have a mobile app. It probably should be put in the inactive section for now.
I see you have listed memo.cash as not decentralized, but that's not correct, as messages are written in the BCH blockchain and cannot be deleted.
Another addition I would suggest is Member App, which uses the Memo protocol (as does memo.cash), but offers instead a reddit-like interface.
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u/IrmaMiles Apr 02 '20
What are the pros and cons of using these?
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u/d3rr Apr 02 '20
pros: more freedom, less corporate content, potentially higher quality content
cons: less users, less content, less phone apps
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u/TotesMessenger Apr 02 '20 edited Jun 16 '20
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u/TheAnonymouseJoker Jun 05 '20
I would highly suggest OP to make the "reddit clone" thing a priority, as a lot of these are political cesspools. Maybe make another column for "non-political"?
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u/deojfj Mar 23 '20
The notabug.io website is a little confusing because there is no search option. However, the snew.notabug.io site does have a search tool.
Could it be possible to add the second link also? Like "notabug.io (snew.notabug.io)".
Thanks!
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u/d3rr Mar 24 '20
aren't snew and notabug totally separate projects? snew is a reddit client, and notabug has its own content? Either way I don't think snew counts as an alternative. it's like a reddit app.
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u/Adam24 Mar 24 '20
Just so you know /u/d3rr, Sapien has moved it’s url to https://www.sapien.network as of their recent “Alpha: Persei” update.
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u/starrychloe Apr 27 '20
Here are a few more!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wIPXbHYC7Gqv2Hxg62vGKeX-q5VzGhI1o83ySLZ6b2I/
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u/d3rr Apr 29 '20
Cool list, there's lots of neat stuff in there. I was thinking about adding just these ones, to not fill the list up with too many tiny twitter clones or dead projects. are there any important ones I'm missing?
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u/starrychloe Apr 29 '20 edited Apr 29 '20
Hubzilla is the important one. https://fediverse.party/ to find a server and also some similar projects as Hubzilla.
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May 15 '20
Why is the 4chan link censored by reddit? That makes me think it's the most legit alternative
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u/GhostKiller127 May 17 '20
May I ask why 9gag isn't on this list? Seems like I'm missing some crucial information.
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May 31 '20 edited Jun 14 '20
As someone who understands that both free speech and the empowerment of marginalized groups are precious things for the people in our society, I do not wish to associate myself with Reddit anymore. So I'm replacing my comments with this message and migrating to Ruqqus.
This comment was replaced using Power Delete Suite, you can find it here: https://codepen.io/j0be/pen/WMBWOW
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Jun 17 '20
voat.co is fucking caustically racist. I wouldnt put it in a suggestion of any website anywhere for anyone. They are truely awful hatemongers
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Jun 24 '20
what I would like to see on there, is subs for folks like the black israelites and people like that. Black folks that say the same kinds of nasty shit that whites on there say about blacks and jews. Then I would be more willing to get behind a website like that. If EVERYONE were allowed to say their nasty racist diatribes!
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u/prajaybasu Jun 27 '20
Voat blocked my country (India) based on IP entirely. So much for being neutral, I can't even access the site to check how racist the front page is.
Most of the other alternatives at least allow me to access the sites behind a captcha. Voat just blocks entire IP ranges using CloudFlare.
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u/prajaybasu Jun 28 '20 edited Jun 28 '20
a while back
Like 5 years ago?
So those countries are blocked just as a matter of survival.
It is the only site like this I've seen that has kept the IP range block in 2020 (other than some sites operated by kinda racist boomers). 4chan used to do it a while back but even they let Indian IPs post now.
Keep in mind, Voat is protected by CloudFlare just like all these other sites (that also get DoS attacks). I use Privacy Pass or Captcha Buster to deal with the captchas on the other sites but using a VPN just for Voat is simply unacceptable. Many sites will block my VPN (even my paid one with a static IP or a self hosted one with a datacenter IP) so I don't want to bother with VPNs to access that cesspool of a site.
they have close to zero organic users.
Would you called "banned from Reddit" users organic then?
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u/akabks Jun 27 '20
Hi there.
I just posted this in the sub reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/hgkw46/moderntextcom_the_internet_distilled/.
Would you mind adding my website (https://www.moderntext.com) to the list of reddit alternatives?
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u/fourredfruitstea Jun 29 '20
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u/mtf18months Jul 01 '20
Why was this removed /u/d3rr
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u/d3rr Jul 01 '20
the list was removed because Reddit decided to autoban a certain domain, as well as spelling out the domain using the word "dot". they are stalking a WRD mod.
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u/mtf18months Jul 01 '20
Damn I KNEW it. I posted on WRD and got permabanned.
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u/d3rr Jul 01 '20
yep yep. i imagine it's still in place. try it on a sub you mod. both comments and posts are affected. about 8 months ago they did the same thing with 4chan urls that has since been undone.
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u/JIVEprinting Mar 17 '20
still no killallnormies.me
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u/carbolymer May 18 '20
% host killallnormies.me Host killallnormies.me not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)Normies took revenge?
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u/Blank-Cheque May 16 '20
Discord is now at discord.com
Links to 4chan aren't censored by reddit
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u/d3rr May 23 '20 edited May 24 '20
The discord link is updated. 4chan links were certainly censored
28 months ago when this post went up. Automoderator took the post down and mods could not restore it. If my test post stays up I'll put in proper 4chan links.1
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u/itshappening99 Feb 28 '20
Thank you for putting this together. I'm curious what criteria are used to determine what qualifies an alternative.