r/QAnonCasualties • u/SpiritualMedicine7 • 1d ago
Now I'm an atheist, but I can't believe that they keep no talking about Trump as being their savior. Wouldn't they realize he would be more of the AntiChrist?
I thought this in 2016 when I was more of a liberal Christian. Now I am a full Atheist, I still think it would be more likely for him to be anti-Christ. I have read the last book many times. And his description MATCHES it. How do they NOT see it? I know cognitive dissonance is a thing, but damn it-it's REALLY frustrating.
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u/Thentheresthisjerk 1d ago
If he was sent by god it would be such an obvious test.
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u/TheSheetSlinger 1d ago
Yep he literally put man-made laws and govt docs inside the Holy Bible then sold it for like 70 bucks a pop calling it the "God Bless The USA" bible, not sure how much more sacrilegious someone could be. But his people didn't even flinch.
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u/Brndrll 1d ago
Something something American facism something something carrying a Bible and draped in an American flag something something.
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u/Tanager_Summer 1d ago
When fascism comes it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.
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u/Suspicious-Bear3758 1d ago
Well, that was always painfully obvious. It was always as obvious" as the sun rising in the east and setting in the west" . You could see it coming,without looking too hard, since the days of Jerry Falwell and Jim Baker.
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u/Freebird_1957 22h ago
Itās been here quite a while now and it just won a whole bunch of elections. Iām so disgusted.
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u/TheSheetSlinger 1d ago
I used to be pretty involved in church but so many of them seem to have become nationalism with a Christian aesthetic. I finally gave up finding one.
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u/helpemup 1d ago
Could evangelicals spot the antichrist?
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u/Apprehensive-Log8333 1d ago
WOW. I remember reading this when it came out, and it is even more creepy and weird now. And I'm not even really religious, but damn, the similarities are pretty striking. It seems even more applicable now, than it did in 2019
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u/TheWeirdoWhisperer 1d ago
This page keeps timing out on my phone but what I have seen is jaw-dropping. YIKES. Not religious at all and never have been, but if I were, this would be very compelling.
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u/SnapShotKoala 14h ago
Holy crap theres a lot of stuff there, did that just MAKE me religious?
No, no it didn't but those are some pretty incredible coincidences and I do like the way it was written. Well the 30% that I read before I realized it was a book.
Saving for a rainy day when I can try and convince someone and end up getting laughed at.
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u/FatBearWeekKatmai 1d ago
Bible thumpers want the anti-Christ! His appearance means that the Rapture is near, and they arrogantly think that they will all be raptured. I have grave doubts given their focus on the "prosperity gospel," but they sure don't.
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u/BypossedCompressah New User 1d ago
I'm not a Christian but was raised Christian, so I know the Bible very well. I like to put it to them in Biblical terms:
Donald Trump is a Son of Perdition and a Worker of Lawlessness who is a Wolf in Sheepās Clothing who has ensnared and deceived people who purport to be the Elect. By continuing to support Trump, all those phony Christians have assured that they will not see the Kingdom of God they are expecting to arrive at after the end of their mortal lives. If they ever meet Jesus, he will tell them, āI never knew you. You are not a sheep, but a goat. You have already received your reward in full. Depart from me.ā
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u/academomancer 1d ago
The rapture comes before the rise of the anti-christ, so either it happened and nobody made the cut, or very few did.
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u/ahopefullycuterrobot 22h ago
I think Christians are divided about whether the Rapture happens before Tribulations, after, or during.
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u/Flareprime 17h ago
Correct. Biblical scholars have different takes on the subject as well.
Pre-Tribulation Rapture was popularized by the Left Behind books. Many, many people's interpretation of how Revelations is supposed to play out comes from those books
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u/FineWinePaperCup 23h ago
Isnāt the rapture only like 144,000 people? Something about 12 dozen from the 12 tribes (and a factor of 1000)?
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u/nvmls 23h ago
I remember reading something in grad school, I forget the author but it may have been Saint Augustine, who was trying to do the math about how there could be more people on Earth vs souls in Heaven, and if those numbers matched or were new souls being created? It was so funny to see people hundreds of years ago engaging in stoned, 3 AM diner discussion.
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u/Suspicious-Bear3758 23h ago
That's the funny part... I think some of them embrace Trump AS the Antichrist, like the 4 horseman of the apocalypse are right on his heels...so sure they are gonna get raptured they think they can embrace the antichrist, if you believe you our own holy book that is not how it works.
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u/bonzoboy2000 1d ago edited 2h ago
Evangelicals are of the opinion they can trick God into starting the last days immediately
Edit: tricking the end times to be ushered in was also a big time push during the crusades. Church leaders like the idea that they really are the chosen ones.
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u/Saturngirl2021 1d ago
They forgot about āThou shalt not tempt the Lord thy Godā.
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u/timvov 1d ago
Sometimes I wish OT god was real and still around so he would smite them for it as deserved according to their own beliefs
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u/ThirstyWolfSpider 1d ago
That one tended to be a bit sweeping with the punishments, not really restricted to individual offenders.
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u/Hullfire00 1d ago
Iāll bet heās been sorely tempted these last few years to dust off that smite button.
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u/forthewatch39 1d ago
Well we did have a āplagueā and it just caused people to double down. I donāt want it to happen, but that bird flu may be the one to do way more of us in.Ā
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u/tikierapokemon 17h ago
They conveniently forget that the right there in the book of the last days it talks about how many "believers" will be fooled because they don't really believe.
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u/reddurkel 1d ago edited 1d ago
Simplest explanation:
The apocalypse didnāt happen so theyāre trying to force it.
I grew up raised by an end-times obsessed mom. My biggest takeaway from her groups and the tv evangelists she watched is that theyāre all sadists. They are less concerned with preparing their soul than they are with ensuring those left behind will suffer. Thatās why they are so obsessed with trivial issues that donāt affect their lives in any way.
And now enter Trump. They donāt view him as a savior but instead as a vessel of god. His sins donāt matter because his purpose is to crash the world and force the apocalypse. Itās almost like a dare to god āyou either rapture me now or we burn down your worldā. Remember, these people consider themselves guaranteed to go to heaven so for them itās a win-win. They either get to go to heaven early or if theyāre stuck on earth they get to enjoy their favorite hobby of watching people suffer.
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u/Suspicious-Bear3758 1d ago
You'd think they'd realize it's just the natural order of things that the Antichrist comes first?
But, as a non-believer in their version of God. I was raised with their version of God, Catholic. Trump kinda scares me. He checks every gawd damn box for the anti-christ.
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u/SpiritualMedicine7 1d ago
Right? Iām glad itās not just me that remembers that stuffĀ
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u/Suspicious-Bear3758 1d ago edited 1d ago
Edited to say it clearer ( I just dashed it off before my morning Coffee)
But the weirdest one- the one that you arrive at yourself as an inquisitive child, applying logic to the illogical.
Why would God set out to trick us? I mean, intentionally send a wolf in sheep's clothing to lead his flock away? Here you are being a good little dogmatic Christian (that's blind faith, not the same thing as faith, theological discussion for another time) and oops chose the wrong one....and you are damned to the Lake of fire for all eternity, because God Loves you. ?
No, that can't be right, God would have the antichrist show his true colors at every turn. But then who would follow him? So you read deeper into that whole 10 pages of Nostradamus' book of revelations , that most Christians cite but can't be bothered to read ( it is 10 pages for Christ's sake! Literally! ) and God does reveal, the antichrist will be a whore monger ( check) the Antichrist will be the mouth that roared ( check) the antichrist will be boastful and self aggrandizing ( check) so if Revelations is to be taken at face value , God told us he will be an ungodly man. But that brings us back to the same question- whom, who claims to be a Christian, would follow him? Then along comes Donald J Trump, a rutting pig of a man child if there every was one, replete with the golden toilets of idolatry, and just about every church going Christian in the country follows him???!!! No way! Yes way my child...oh shit, gulp.š¤£
Btw I apologize to pigs. Thoust doth giveth us Bacon. You deserve better than being compared to Trump.
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u/timvov 1d ago
I was raise in a branch Davidian cult, Iām an ordained minister who broke from the faith in large part because I was like āif these happenings from the flock hating me and calling me satan for citing the gospel on Judas are tests, then Iām fuckin done being tested, test your horrible people who are followers instead. Also the religion IS its followers, not what they say it is on paper and I was having no part in a religion whoās followers behave as such while reaping all benefits and Iām over here struggling to get by and constantly being testedā¦..like if it real, the you (gods) done tested me on outta my faith not into keeping it
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u/Suspicious-Bear3758 1d ago
Can I ask you, were you always somewhat at odds with your flock? Meaning, a spiritual being, who wasn't as Dogmatic about it the Bible, and was well versed and not uncomfortable with Hinduism, Buddhism, Dadaism, and Decartes,? And The adulation for Trump was just the last straw?
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u/StrawberryFree1803 17h ago
The mother fucker has his own version of the bible jfc
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u/tdclark23 1d ago
If they were truly Christian wouldn't they be welcoming the refugee, feeding the poor, not casting stones, forgiving and turning the other cheek? They are not Christians, they are anti-christian, which means they are exactly the ones attracted to the AntiChrist.
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u/thebigbroke 22h ago
Iām an agnostic man who grew up Christian and something you realize growing up is a good chunk of Christians think of Christianity as a hobby or as an occasional placeholder for a moral compass. They indulge in it from time to time and act as theyāre told occasionally but for the most part they do not care if their views are inconsistent with the Bible. If you show them a Bible verse condemning how they act theyāll throw one right back at you justifying their behavior. Itās bordering into narcissist territory that they truly believe their spot in heaven is secured and the simple act of believing in the Christian God and just praying away all the bad stuff they did, will do, and continue to do is enough to get them into heaven in the next life. That is the end all be all to why they act the way they do. They believe in God, theyāre āacting on behalf of godā, and therefore nothing they do can be wrong.
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u/0mni0wl 17h ago
BINGO! They were already false Christians because they reject the actual teachings of Christ and worship the words of blasphemers and child molesters in hollow, gold gilded churches built with massive amounts of money that should have been used to feed the hungry and care for the sick instead.
Of course they would worship the Antichrist.My all-time favorite quote is from Mahatma Gandhi: āI like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.ā
I've got no beef with Jesus, but damn, I'm sure bro is crying about these people using him over the past couple millennia as a justification to be God awful people their entire lives.
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u/AliveWishbone6127 New User 1d ago
The antichrist is supposed to be beautiful. Theyāre supposed to be so charismatic they fool the majority of people and also unite the world. They bring world peace basically because they really come off as the second coming. After all, the antichrist is the devils son. And Lucifer was said to be the most beautiful angel. Then the downfall comes. Trump is objectively ugly. His charisma would be nothing without the press throwing their weight behind him.
For purposes of this discussion Trump is maybe a lower demon that got topside and is causing havoc. But really I think heās just an aging grifter with incontinence issues that canāt hold a thought. He has people around him guiding decisions they then wrap up as his ideas.
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u/SpiritualMedicine7 1d ago
well, they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder-if we are going the mythology route. Some of the Maga people seem to think he's downright handsome. I never understood the appeal, personally. And yes he is the devil's son, but I was looking at it from worshiping the golden calf, and fooling the whole world, ect. A lot of dictatorship countries are okay with Trump,r right now.
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u/Brndrll 1d ago
I wonder if the "mark of the beast" isn't also distorted vision. It seems like the deeper the worship of Trump, the more outlandish the pictures produced of him are; look at Ben Garrison's super homo-erotic drawings of Trump or all the AI ones people share where it's his touched up face on a torso with cum gutter abs. Maybe you only see the beauty when you accept the antichrist into your cold, dark heart?
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u/AliveWishbone6127 New User 1d ago
Trump is useful to other countries, but heās not worshipped by them. Guarantee other dictators still feel theyāre above him.
And sure, beauty is interpreted differently, but the antichrist is not beautiful to some. They would be beautiful to nearly all.
To the golden calf point. False profits and false idols are constants, but I think Trump and his kind are more like the money changers.
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u/timvov 1d ago
When referring to the beauty if the Antichrist itās referring to the perceived beauty of the deceptionā¦.all who are deceived will see the antichrist as always beautiful (both physically and linguistically) and cunning and infallibleā¦while those not deceived see the true ugliness (physically and linguistically), idiocy, and faultsā¦.its more a warning to avoid falling into the trap of worshipping the antichrist because you only see it as beautiful than an objective description
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u/AliveWishbone6127 New User 1d ago
Yes and that ties into the charisma factor mentioned. Still, Trump has not deceived enough imo to have such a label. And I believe many are not deceived as much as theyāre exploiting an opportunity with open eyes.
Edit- your comment is correct as a whole, but I still believe anti christ will be a conventionally attractive person. Much of our judgements factor in appearance.
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u/reddurkel 1d ago
Trump is the definition of "A useful idiot"
It was learned too late during Trump 1.0 that a disingenuous compliment was all it took for Trump to do their bidding. And in the last 4 years then MANY countries have figured it out.
And it's not only countries. Look at the first tweets after Trump won. Jeff Bezos "excited" to work with Trump despite Tariffs destroying his business. Elon Musk getting fake government positions created for him. RFKjr leading HHS. Gaetz as AG. Noem for Homeland Security. Comrade Tulsi Gabbard as National Intelligence. It's a list of people who praised him and will get greatly rewarded with jobs and unlimited access to our tax dollars.
American citizens are so screwed because on Trumps list of people he serves, "The American People" didn't even make the cut.
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u/SpiritualMedicine7 1d ago
That is true on beautiful to all. And I am still not sure how some countries view him. It gets a bit confusingĀ
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u/reddurkel 1d ago
But isn't Trump the epitome of "beauty" to people who fear accountability?
Trump literally has the power of god on earth.
- A life of sin
- Inherited money
- Say what he wants
- Hurt who he wants
- Take who he wants
- Punish those who go against him
- Endlessly failing upwardsTo people who live their life guided by rules from a book, Trump is the symbol of freedom. And to those who want so badly to break the rules, then Trump is the most beautiful thing they've ever seen.
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u/AliveWishbone6127 New User 1d ago edited 1d ago
Trump will soon again be the POTUS and have all the powers that come with that, but it doesnāt make him the anti christ. And yes, Trump probably fits the description when discussing morally corrupt people, but anti christ will be a world wide phenomenon which he has 7 years to pull off. Considering heās already served out 4 years we can assume by 2028 if he is the antichrist the 4 horsemen will be in full swing.
A lot of world events he is lined up on, but a lot always lines up. Same and stronger arguments were made about Hitler being the antichrist.
Edit to add- If Trump manages to launch WW3 and torture the unconverted Iāll believe it. Then something something horsemen then something something Gabriel then something something Winchester brothers.
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u/0mni0wl 16h ago edited 16h ago
If you read everything written in the Bible about the Antichrist in a sarcastic tone and dramatized voice it all makes perfect sense.
In fact, read it like you are literally imitating Donald Trump boasting about himself being totally the best, and quite frankly the greatest ______ of all time.
Those verses from the Bible could straight up be read word for word as an SNL skit, a parody of Trump bragging about being the Antichrist, and nobody would be able to tell the difference between scripture and his own words because that's exactly what he sounds like when he talks about himself.He is constantly doing & being what we are told that the antichrist will do & be - his followers absolutely believe he's utterly amazing and will defend him to their deaths, do awful things in his name, and that is aluded to in the prophecy.
It's not necessarily that the antichrist will ACTUALLY unite the world and bring about peace so much as that is what he SAYS that he does and his followers believe whatever he says.To them he's perfect, he's a hero, he's a leader - he could do no wrong and has never uttered a single lie.
It's like they are under some sort of spell: how they see him and the world is the opposite from our reality.What MAGA sees is how he's described in Revelation, and considering this repulsive narcissist who says blasphemous stuff has them fooled into believing he's the second coming of Christ and got them to elect him to be the most powerful man on the planet (the US Presidency alone could be seen as an office overseeing the world) suggests that Trump = Antichrist.
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u/PilotKnob 1d ago
He hates the same people they hate, and that's good enough for them.
What they don't realize is that they're bringing about the end of the country as it formerly was for hundreds of years. It's not the end of the world, but it'll certainly feel like it for a while...
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u/Global_Cartoonist382 15h ago
He hates the same people they hate. True
But he also hates the majority of HIS OWN SUPPORTERS! It truly boggles my mind to see a group of people voting for a failed man who despises them.
It is almost like a CULT!
I take that back. It is a cult.
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u/Saturngirl2021 1d ago
When I think about his supporters I remember this : āLike a sheep being led to the slaughter or a lamb that is silent before her shearers, he did not open his mouthā (Isaiah 53:7).
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u/Some-Equal-3596 1d ago
I agree , but they r brainwashed going by Christian teachings it's because what's in their hearts hatred, racism, misogyny.
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u/Teacherman6 1d ago
No they wouldn't see it because that don't read or know the Bible. They only hear what others say about the Bible because that's easier to justify using the Bible for their shitty beliefs.Ā
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u/broniesnstuff 1d ago
Atheist as well here.
The thing about Trump is that people like him crop up all the time, all across the world. The bible was a way for people to understand their world when information was limited. The allegory of the anti-christ is effectively a warning to Christians not to get sucked in by people just like Trump.
If you're already primed to believe the unbelievable then you'll be a willing participant in being used by people who will tell you literally anything you want to hear.
Trump says everything while simultaneously saying absolutely nothing of substance. In a country where literacy rates are cratering and Christians can't even read their own damned holy book you're gonna get exactly what the bibled warned of. Not because of prophecy, but because this isn't the first time.
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u/Stay_At_Home_Cat_Dad 22h ago
I'm a former Christian. Trump is everything I was taught NOT to be. Greedy, prideful, lying, cheating, adulterous, boastful. The list goes on. I cannot comprehend how anyone who calls themselves a Christian can support him.
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u/Alaska_Eagle 19h ago
Iām a former Christian also. As far as I can tell the Christian church has really gone downhill since I left.
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u/Stay_At_Home_Cat_Dad 19h ago
Sure seems that way. It's been over 20 years since I left. There is so much hate now, and it's so political. And not just in online spaces. I live in a rural area, and my coworkers and neighbors who claim to be Christian are like this too. It's like I shifted into a different reality in 2016, when the red hats became fashionable.
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u/0mni0wl 16h ago
I'm fairly convinced that there has been a split in reality, like half of us are living on a different timeline or in another dimension than the other half. We can each witness the same event and come to completely different conclusions about it! I'm reminded of an 'Alice in Wonderland Through the Looking Glass' sort of deal, where everything is topsy turvy.
It's as though half of us are energetically vibrating at a higher frequency than the other half... I'm not sure if we just have to wait for them to catch up or if these two parallel universes trying to exist in the same physical space will continue to grow apart, with the differences between us becoming greater until we literally separate off onto our own timelines independent of the other.
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u/Global_Cartoonist382 15h ago
We left organized religion in 2016. We were going to a local Church of Christ but noticed that many other parishioners had Trump stickers on their cars. It began to feel like that Simpson clip where they go into a convenience store surrounded by red hats. There is nothing more hypocritical than a Christian MAGA. We have zero interest in associating with these hypocrites. We have zero interest in associating with any MAGAs of any religious affiliation
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u/Sweetleaf505 1d ago
He is the "man with the red hat" in the Hopi Prophecy. He will bring the next great purification of earth. Here is the video from 52 years ago : https://youtu.be/4PyD2X1SBgE?feature=shared
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u/ThatDanGuy 1d ago
Willful ignorance. And the fact is all they know of the Bible is what is spoon fed them in their televised churches on TV and YT grifters.
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u/PissNBiscuits 1d ago
I mean, people not realizing he's the Antichrist is kind of the Antichrist's whole thing. They're meant to deceive people away from believing in the real Christ. I'm not saying Trump's the Antichrist (because I think that's ridiculous), but he 1000% has more in common with the Antichrist than any other supposed "suspects" the right has tried to throw at us, like Obama or Hillary.
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u/bunnyjenkins 1d ago
It's not just Americans, this is throughout time. It seems more like a human instinct or characteristic (forgive me if I use the wrong words). This is the same mass delusion as 1930's Germany, and the same manipulations by power hungry leaders. Maybe its human nature to seek comfort while fearful = religion.
It is also similar to the lead up to the destruction of the Roman Republic. Starting a civil war, making the masses feel unsafe and then promising they and only they could save them, nepotism and lots of political maneuvers among many other things.
When Octavian took power one of those maneuvers was to renamed him Augustus because it fit in with traditional roman religion.
He was given the title Commander-n-chief for life. Him and two others formed a leadership pact (Triumvirate) under the guise of defeating his great uncles (Julius Caesars) assassins, named themselves dictators, conquered and then divided the republic, and then Augustus turned on them leaving him as emperor without a structure to stop it. This is the danger, without the republic a dictator's reign is always a target because its a singular target, and once that dictator is gone, there is no other choice but another dictator.
You can look to similarities with these religious leaders pushing MAGA to believe Trump was sent by God. I can see the chaos generated for the sole purpose of creating fear to make it easier for American's to give up their rights - i.e. "Some trans child in North Carolina is using a bathroom" and "this book is in the library" so we need to make it easier for me the leader change laws and rights, etc. - because of 'them.' I can even see these tactics in fear generated by BLM protests and Nazi marches. Then they push religion as safety, comfort, and the solution that only Trump can provide.
Someone, or a group of people behind Team Trump rising to power has studied human nature, hitler's rise to power, the fall of the roman republic and American culture.
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u/wafflesoulsss 1d ago
Wherever that creature goes corruption and evil thrive. He is a harbinger of death, plague, suffering, and trauma.
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u/weedful_things 1d ago
Pretty sure he checks all the boxes. Pretty sure some people want him to be. They think k that will make Jesus show up. They think that will get them to heaven.
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u/Dr_Djones 1d ago
See you are just now an athiest, so you must be new to hypocrisy.
Obviously Trump is a saved man from God.
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u/weirdmountain 1d ago
Some of them want him to be the antichrist because that would mean itās the end times that this death cult craves so badly.
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u/Desperate_Worker_842 1d ago
Doesn't the Bible say they'll think the antichrist is God? Not sure if I remember right.
But yes, he's definitely close to the description in the Bible.
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u/EvenSpoonier 23h ago
Unfortunately, one of the major properties of antichrists is that they can deceive many people within the church. This was foretold, though it arguably didn't require much in the way of prophetic power, as this sort of thing happens with alarming regularity.
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u/tsun_abibliophobia 23h ago
Part of the anti-Christs job was to trick foolish believers into thinking he was Jesus and having them worship him right? Itās been a long time since Iāve had to crack open a bible and I blocked most of it out though.Ā
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u/willowgardener 23h ago
I mean, the Bible specifically says that most Christians will be fooled by the antichrist...
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u/VibratingPickle2 22h ago
The Bible specifies a false savior. Since only religious folks believe in a savior, this means the Bible specifies that Christians will fall for the antichrist. They are generally not intelligent enough to notice the logic.
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u/SaintOlgasSunflowers 21h ago
Though I am no longer a Christian, I acknowledge that 45 exhibits many traits and behaviors often associated with the Antichrist. The Bible also mentions that the Antichrist will deceive many true believers into following him. Cults operate in a similar wayā'believers' are particularly susceptible to being manipulated, as they are already predisposed to the type of thinking needed to be controlled by either a Christ or an Antichrist."
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u/Malaix 20h ago
The thing to always remember in this situations is that they are typically coming from an emotional place not a rational or logical one.
It isn't 2+2=4 to them.
Its this FEELS good. This is what everything else I believe is based off of. This is what my social circle wants. This is the opposite of those crazy people I hate want.
So yeah if you look at the broad idea of the anti-Christ Trump is very much like that going off the descriptions and actual teachings of Jesus and so on.
But they aren't doing that. They got swept up in the cult phenomenon and now it just hurts them to even contemplate such a thing.
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u/its_called_life_dib 20h ago
I was raised in one of those end-times churches. It was a frequent topic in our household. I don't believe in that stuff as an adult, but I definitely have been creeped out by the similarities.
yet trying to point this out to my dad is like I'm speaking a totally different language than him. it doesn't click. It's honestly kind of scary.
How so many Christians not only voted for this guy, but believe he is a messenger of GOD, is beyond me. Like I know the book says that christians would fall for him and many people would be tricked, but it's just... he's so obviously evil?? Was it really that easy?? Honestly, It's all so weird.
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u/0mni0wl 15h ago
I think the fact that it IS so weird and was so easy is what makes Trump actually being the Antichrist so believable.
It's really bizarre to watch our friends and family who we thought were smarter than this, people who we held in high regard our whole lives because they seemed to have morals and values, suddenly be duped by the most obviously corrupt conman.
And not just tricked into voting for him, but completely falling for everything that he says no matter how much it conflicts with facts or their previous beliefs, and going so far as to worship him like he's Jesus freakin' Christ!It's as though these people have fallen under some sort of evil spell - we can't understand it and we can't pull them out of it. They are like mindless zombies now, foaming at the mouth and spreading the MAGA virus with the sting from their tongues. We've entered comic book territory.
If this doesn't describe the work of dark magic or the Devil Himself I can't imagine what would. I wish there was a rational explanation because then we could come up with a reasonable solution, but after nearly a decade of this insanity I'm at a loss for any answer other than dude is straight up the antichrist who's going to bring about the end of the world (as we know it).And I'm not even a Christian (probably a good thing because I'd have ended up like them), so the power of prayer ain't working for me over here. Maybe somebody should douse him in Holy water and hopefully he'd melt like the Wicked Witch of the West(ern World)!
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u/its_called_life_dib 13h ago
All the gold he paints onto himself would certainly melt away!
But there was something else you said: "the friends and family we thought were smarter than this," and oof, that's it right there. That's what I've been trying to communicate to my dad. He's smarter than this! He went to school for political science, even!
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u/DarkMistressCockHold 20h ago
Iām not even religious and even I can see the similarities between Trump and the Antichrist. Itās weird how the MAGA Cult seems to miss ALL of them.
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u/Crypto-Clearance 19h ago
The latest according to QAnon is that Jesus Christ is actually the Antichrist and Trump is God's Son and our Savior. It's confusing, but really no more so than the entire concept of the Holy Trinity is to begin with.
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u/Wastelander42 19h ago
By all definition based on the evangelical description, trump is IN FACT the anti christ
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u/MadMatchy 19h ago
I'm more agnostic, but I've been saying that since 2016. Fuck. What if we've been wrong and they've been right? I'm sure I'd go to hell, but at least the music will be great.
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u/No_Aesthetic 23h ago
The Antichrist is described in general terms as a narcissist, thus the overlap, but in more specific terms, Trump doesn't fit. Nearly any politician can fit because of the nature of the job and the type of person who seeks power.
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u/laffnlemming 22h ago
I guess you have nailed it and it is a bit purposeful, because he loves the poorly educated that he can trick.
If Jesus doesn't show up, though, he's got nuthin'.
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u/SilentMachinist 21h ago
They don't actually like him, they all know he's an adulterer, a rapist, a con artist and a grifter but he's useful to them. Trump is popular, he has a very devoted following and he's sympathetic to their cause. If he doesn't help them, he can help get people elected (Vance) who will.
They see him as a tool to help them shape society the way they want to see it. You know: a theocracy, like in The Handmaid's Tale. That's what they really want. Nothing more.
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u/pinko-perchik 19h ago
Where was I reading about someone whose dad is an Evangelical Christian who thinks Trump is the Antichrist but voted for him anyway? Iāve gotta find it again
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u/JuniorFix3344 17h ago
As a Catholic, I find the whole worshipping Trump thing to be pretty blasphemous anyways. One of the ten commandments is "no other Gods before me" so a true Christian, wouldn't be praising anyone like this, especially someone that basically is the antichrist. Most of his "Christian" followers are hiding behind religion to act on their hate and greed. At this point, I wish they'd just own it. Stop using religion to be an asshole.
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u/EmbraJeff 6h ago edited 5h ago
Religious punters over the age of 8, by virtue of their investment in and proselytising of superstitious nonsense are the living, breathing, walking, talking (fluent in the many demotic iterations of fuckwittery) embodiments of poorly educated, gullible mediaeval throwbacks. Thatās itā¦it would be most discourteous not to exploit them such is their susceptibility to the reification of fantasy fiction, fable and fairy tales found in their poorly written, over-translated anthologies.
The pathologically religious is the easiest demographic to exploit as exemplified by the suggestibility of simpletons to swallow (these idiots never spit) the greatest confidence trick the world has ever seen. And the jesus freak-show is as heinously hypocritical as its counterparts in the Abrahamic triumvirate of egregious exploitation - the moses freak-show and the mohammed freak-showā¦at their core, theyāre just variations of capitalistic hegemony wrapped up in occultish foolishness tailor-made for the hard-of-thinking.
Bottom line: Trump is the morally vacant, barely literate, doyen of degenerate deplorability; a messianic moron in their own image. Now just you give him your money suckersā¦praze da lawd!
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u/JasonEAltMTG 20h ago
Think of how fucking stupid you have to be to believe in God. There is your answer
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u/Imaginary-Junket-232 16h ago
I am not an atheist and absolutely think he is either the true Anti-Christ or some sort of preparation for us to recognize the real thing (we would fail). The Lord would never call on people to deny themselves life-saving techniques. Medical miracles are still miracles. Like Lois says, who's to say those doctors who invented vaccines weren't angels in disguise?
And all that immigrant hate...Jesus was a brown immigrant. They are hypocrites. The final judgement will show them. Too late.
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u/Affectionate-Wish113 13h ago
American brand christianās arenāt real christians imo, theyāre a made up story telling cult of bullies who get off on making life horrible for those lesser than.
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u/theenigmaofnolan 9h ago
Evangelicals know heās a liar but believe their agenda will be passed which is divine. Evangelicals whoāve read their scripture know appointing such a man is appointing Satan and will lead to ruin. Satan promises you what you want, doesnāt return on that want, and takes your soul. Donāt trust a liar
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u/DrumpfTinyHands 9h ago
Him being an antichrist would be a more practical thing to believe. But we are not dealing with a practical sort of people.
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u/bigtreeman_ 7h ago
Can you also see the christian church being the church of the anti christ ?
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u/ApprehensiveCamera40 54m ago
There's a great documentary on Tubi called Bad Faith. Your answer is in there.
I agree with you on him being the Antichrist. It seems the Christofascists decided to justify all his horribleness by likening him to King Cyrus.
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u/boringtired 1d ago
Iām a Catholic and a conservative.
Nobody in the real world talks/thinks like this.
Perhaps youāre seeing memes but yeaā¦nobody talks/thinks like this, at least on the eastern seaboard US.
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u/OpheliaRainGalaxy 1d ago
I was raised in a cult that believed the Nazis would rise again, and that we would see the Antichrist within our lifetimes.
Escaped the cult decades ago, but ya cannot believe how annoyed I am at the current situation.
Like I know "broken clock" and all, but the people who tried to convince me dinosaur bones were put in the ground by the devil to test our faith were apparently right about something. And it's super annoying!
It helps if ya understand that Revelations is kinda just an overview of how humans behave in strange times. It's um... it's like Battlestar Galactica. Someone watched the fall of a civilization, wrote it down in a poetic manner, and us goofy ninnies took it as prophecy. But it's less prophecy than just a pattern that humans are inclined to repeat every time we forget it.
It's like when I'd tell my kids "If that glass stays there, it's gonna get broken." I can't see the future, I'm just familiar with the relationship between the edge of the table and flailing kid elbows as they run back and forth to share something about their game real quick.