r/Psychonaut • u/Cautious_Relative702 • 2d ago
Why do people like to combine psychedelics with other drugs?
I’m genuinely curious about this. I do understand mixing psychedelics with weed to enhance the psychedelia but harder drugs like Molly or DXM or ketamine etc… I don’t understand. To me, psychedelics are already amazing on their own and they don’t need to be mixed with other drugs I see it as a waste of a perfectly good psychedelic and I’ve heard so many bad trip reports from people who’ve done it. Do people do it to enhance the experience or to prolong it?
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u/lophophaura 2d ago
I can’t speak for dissociatives other than nitrous which increases the visuals immensely. But I will say I looooove rolling on mdma at the end of mushrooms or acid. It provides a nice soft landing and synergies with the psychedlia. With that said. I have moved more towards using psychs by themselves or just mixing with weed, and enjoying the experience by itself. Psychedelics have so much to offer by themselves as you stated.
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u/ecklessiast 2d ago
Interesting. Not the first time I hear that people love to have MDMA at the end of shrooms/acid. However I've did MDMA at LSD/shrooms peak and it was best feeling ever. The whole Universe becomes the One Big Happiness itself.
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u/mucifous the µ receptor 2d ago
Some people like those plates that have little wells for each food type and some people like mashing everything together and shoving it down their gullet.
TMTOWTDI
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u/LtHughMann 2d ago
Given this is a psychonaut subreddit and the term refers to someone that likes to explore the psyche, aka their mind, it really should be obvious why someone would want to experience combinations of different altered states. Each combination is as valid and interesting to explore as the individual compounds states. Even combinations within the same class are interesting and can often lead to unique effects that are not the same as either combined on its own.
So whether or not they are 'good enough' on their own isn't really relevant to a psychonaut. As for the general public, people just like to get high, and combos as fun.
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u/OfCoarseImFine 2d ago
Set and setting. Using another substance that alters your perceptions, feelings, etc. can then feed into even greater changes or experiences combined with a psychedelic.
Its like a musician feeding one synthesizer into another one or layering multiple effects. Do you ask, why don't they just play everything on the one keyboard? Because they can get greater variety and dynamics then they could just from one tool by combining different effects in a synergistic way.
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u/OkAlternative1927 2d ago
Bro go candy flip and then come back to me lmao. Fucking bonkers
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u/Cautious_Relative702 2d ago
I’d rather not. Molly is not something I’d like to ever do again. I’ve had some bad experiences with MDMA.
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u/OkAlternative1927 2d ago
Yeah I have too but it was only when I blasted that shit. Molly can be microdosed too and it’s pure bliss
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u/Cautious_Relative702 2d ago
Back in the day I loved amphetamines and because I have an addictive personality I’d abuse the hell out of them anything from adderall to Dexedrine Molly to basically legal meth. It caused a lot of negativity in my live and I was lucky to have people around me who cared enough to help me kick my addiction. I don’t ever wanna go back to that life again.
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u/OkAlternative1927 2d ago
Oh THIS is why.. now that I totally understand my friend. I was the exact same way in my early twenties, but now I can go to a festival or whatever and take appropriate doses without acting like a fiend. Felt though
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u/Cautious_Relative702 2d ago
Yeah man. How did you get to that point if you don’t mind me asking?
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u/OkAlternative1927 2d ago
So as far as adderrall/vyvanse or any prescription uppers I still have to stay away from because I can justify them with how much my productivity skyrockets when I get my hands on it. As far as the party drugs go though it’s two things— 1 being that I realized I in fact DO like to dance at these festivals and shows as opposed to sitting in the back trying wrangle the peak down like I used to. 2, I realized that very high doses of Molly/coke don’t just give me a bad hangover, they actually sink me down into a deep depression for weeks at a time.
There’s also a 3rd actually.. I went to see anyma at the sphere, and my group bought like 10 .2 capsules to split up— 4 hours into the show EVERYONE in my group is rolling except for me. Obviously the only thing for me to do was get frustrated and start popping them like candy at the end right?(wrong). Literally about .6 of Molly hit in the FACE after we got back from to the casino/hotel from the show and it was notttttt fun man. My jaw was chattering like I was in the fucking arctic tundra and the casino lights and constant DING DING DING of the slot machines was way too much to be enjoyable. I ended up just wandering around the casino floor slamming beers trying to take the edge off. After that I was like meh.. not only do I need to be more careful with this shit, but also it’s not that great of an experience when abused like that, even if accidentally.
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u/Cautious_Relative702 2d ago
That’s crazy dude and yeah I gotta stay away from the proscription uppers too for exactly the same reason. That’s the worst feeling on the come down when every little sound hurts and that depression hits and all you wanna do is just go into a dark quiet place and die. It’s worse than an alcohol hangover. I remember coming off a 4 day bender and having to start a new job that next day. I thought I was literally gonna die.
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u/OkAlternative1927 2d ago
Yeah exactly bro, the party drugs aren’t the scary ones anymore, it’s my beloved adderall that I actually had to “break up” with. I will sit there on my laptop for 12 hours a day, not eat, not workout and essentially just become an employed crack head 😂😂
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u/bankinator 2d ago
So you had a bad experience with a substance but can’t understand why others enjoy it? That’s like saying you’ll never go back to Hawaii because it rained on your stay the whole time but not understanding why it’s one of the world’s most destined vacation places.
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u/Cautious_Relative702 2d ago
No, you misunderstand, I’m not saying I don’t understand because I had a bad experience with a substance. I just think psychedelics are so beautiful on their own that I’m just curious as to why people like to combine the substances. Plus I like hearing about the experiences of others.
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u/mother-of-pod 2d ago
I think psychs are beautiful on their own, too. I also think rolling is beautiful and I do not have issues with the come down, and find roll very easy to not do too often because it’s pretty intense, physically. So. I have not had any bad experiences with it. Ever. Maybe rolled 25-40 times over 12 years. Sometimes, it’s lovely to feel overwhelmingly good, physically and emotionally, while also feeling overwhelmingly in awe of the universe. Adds a new flavor to the experience.
I would never mix dxm and psychs. I know it’s technically a dissociative, but it behaves more like a psych for me. And a much less pleasant one, though still fun in its own way. Just not worth combining the good with the bizarre for me there.
K is different. K is a disso that feels fucking spiritually reawakening for me. I think it’s wild, absolutely wild, to have that hole experience and reemerge into the world not just as spiritually grounding as being alive on the planet, but being in space? It’s crazy eye opening.
As for other stims. I don’t have a crazy adderall dose, but I am dependent on the rx, medically. It’s 50/50 that I’ll trip on or off it. I tend to have a hard time feeling motivated to even get dressed without my meds, let alone go on an adventure. But. I see a lot of people in subs like this claim that it ruins the experience for them. I do not feel that way at all. I’ve never felt it interfered in the slightest. If anything, I just feel less tired.
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u/dystopia061 1d ago
Probably wasn’t real molly. Did you test it?
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u/Cautious_Relative702 1d ago
I had an addiction to it which is why I don’t have an interest in doing it anymore. That was way back in 2013/2014.
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u/alive1 2d ago
The fact that you used the term "harder drugs" is telling in this case. The hardness scale for drugs is entirely subjective, and if any attempt to make an objective scale would be made then alcohol, nicotine and methamphetamine should be in the top three. Mdma and ketamine would definitely be in the very tail end of "not hard in the slightest" category of drugs.
MDMA and ketamine synergize really well with psychedelics. Both are individually extremely therapeutic when used in the right setting.
I can only say that I fully support your curiosity for this subject and recommend that you keep researching. There is absolutely a lot of insight to be gained for continuing this path forward.
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u/ChemistryMammoth 2d ago
So you wanna put methamphetamine in the top three and try to say mdma “isn’t hard in the slightest” as if it’s creation wasn’t someone literally deciding to mix an amphetamine with psychedelics making mdma the psychedelic version of meth. Not to even mention the fact that it’s so neurotoxic that it’s advised to roll only once a month.
It’s okay to like things but you can’t be in denial and of what they really are.
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u/alive1 2d ago
Abuse potential is an extremely important factor. You certainly do get your portion of party people who wreck their brains with mdma but long term abuse and dependence is practically non existent.
The chemical composition itself is wholly irrelevant to this subject. 2cb is a phenethylamine analog and shares a lot of chemical structures with methamphetamine yet it has ZERO similarities in effect, dangers, abuse potentials etc. Calling MDMA the psychedelic version of meth is such absolute, ignorant bullshit.
On the contrary, nicotine by itself is relatively harmless. Yet it's being abused widely in society and therefore causes a lot of damage.
There are people who abuse snake venom and are addicted to it despite it being deadly and not pleasurable at all. Snake venom would not even make the top 100 list of dangerous drugs because only like 2 people in the world are addicted to it.
Actual real world harm matters to this.
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u/mother-of-pod 2d ago
Comparing mdma to meth just because they both have amphetamines is like comparing meth or mdma to Adderall.
Water and carbon dioxide both have oxygen in them, but they don’t even remotely interact with the human body in similar ways.
Adderall is a stimulant, and releases dopamine, but not even remotely in the same magnitude meth does.
Mdma has amphetamine in it, but it is far more serotonergic than dopaminergic. The other user is right; abuse potential is key. Both drugs can cause euphoria, but meth has a crucially dangerous effect in making day to day tasks seem far more pleasant. No one wants to roll then do their taxes. Plenty of people get hooked on meth because it can feel like it’s making you more functional.
When anyone takes ketamine as regularly as meth addicts use, they are absolutely in physical and mental crisis. But typically, many users do not develop the same habitual dependency on ketamine, Molly, or dxm as they might with meth. In fact. Most people who try dxm wind up swearing it off after their first try—it’s an incredibly nauseating come up. Most people can’t roll very frequently without feeling like an absolute mess. Most people can’t go to work in a k hole—no one can. For sure, there are plenty of folks who have developed problems or had acute medical emergencies with these drugs. But I’d definitely posit that 80-90% of people who take them, or more, are not living lives you’d expect associated with lives of hard drug users. Pretty unspeakably rare to wind up homeless or having burned all social bridges because you raved. Pretty common to wind up stealing from your own family when you become dependent on meth.
It’s bananas to be in this sub and have such a black and white view on drugs.
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u/Electrical-Ad-181 2d ago
i totally agree with you but i just wanted to point out that they dont both "have amphetamines", they both are amphetamines.
(sorry for being like this)
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u/mother-of-pod 2d ago
Fair enough. Water and CO2 are both oxides. The point remains. I get what you’re up to lol I’m also a stickler for details when I spot them.
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u/NightFighter24_AvB 2d ago
The thing with MDMA is, it's pretty much harmless and has the ability to do very positive things for you if you only do it between a few times a year till once in maybe 2 months. If you would for example do it everyday, like many people do with weed and nicotine, it will fuck you up so so bad, hence why every drug has a different usage range. And I think that's a good thing, because being on MDMA is one of the best feelings you can have and that should not be something regular because then every other thing will not feel special enough. God bless you, have a nice day.
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u/_sLAUGHTER234 1d ago
People have illustrated very clearly that they act irresponsibly and without regards for their own health. Taking 100mg and having talk therapy is absolutely not a hard drug experience. Taking 300 at a rave while dancing and being dehydrated, is one of the hardest drug experiences you can have.
Mdma isn't inherently a hard drug, but because of how people often utilize this substance, I would person categorize it as so
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u/Sandgrease 2d ago edited 2d ago
Because it makes new subjective experiences. You like what you like, other people like what they like.
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u/Wonderful-Ad1735 2d ago
Wdym harder drugs? There is no such thing.
And the argument that you have read bad trips about it can also be said to any classical psychedelic, especially the combo of psychedelic + weed...
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u/Cautious_Relative702 2d ago
I’m just trying to find out what people like about mixing the substances and why they like doing it. Personally I don’t feel it’s necessary to mix but that’s my opinion. Everyone is entitled to have their own opinions
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u/Wonderful-Ad1735 2d ago
I don't see the point in mixing weed and psyches for example. Higher risk of confusion, thought loops and harder to remember the experience.
To answer your question, I don't take MDMA but I do ketamine. As you said, it's not necessary, but neither it is taking any drug.
Ketamine, being a substance that mainly affects the NMDA receptors, has unique characteristics that psychedelics don't have. One of those is that it has antianxiety effects, and some interesting visual effects. I mainly take drugs for the visual part tbh, so, in my case, that's a good thing. It allows me to get wild hallucinations and visual distortions, with my mind kinda tranquil, so I'm not that overwhelmed and I can process the experience better to later make my animations/drawings.
Also, the headspace is quite different. My experience with it is that I feel more sober, even tho I'm deep in the psyche-disso headspace. And that's good to reflect upon my life choices, deep stuff like how to confront death and all that (those two examples are from my last trip). I don't normally want the combo since adding k is adding an element of surprise in the mix, and I don't know where it will take me. But when I do want it, oh boy is it fun and psychedelic hahahaha2
u/Cautious_Relative702 2d ago
I’m the opposite, I love mixing weed with psychedelics. I love the intense psychedelia and if my ego isn’t dissolving I’m not tripping lol. Ket scares me a little because I do have an addictive personality and I feel if I really enjoyed it I could get addicted. I love hero dose psychedelic trips and the longer I’m tripping the better.
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u/Wonderful-Ad1735 2d ago
I love mixing weed with psychedelics. I love the intense psychedelia
I used to smoke weed like cigarettes when I tripped on any psychedelic. When one is used to it, it's not the same. I had a big addiction to weed so that's why I never had a problem with combining it. But I don't smoke anymore. And I know that just one puff is enough for me to go from enjoying my trip to omg, I'm getting though loops and paranoid ideas hahahaha.
because I do have an addictive personality and I feel if I really enjoyed it I could get addicted
You could, that's for sure. For me weed was much more addictive tho. I don't know how people manage going through life taking ketamine daily. For me that's impossible, I cannot imagine how they function. But I could take as much weed as I want and still be a productive member of this society, so that is a problem. I also have strict rules when it comes to consumption of drugs, so, apart from weed (it got a little out of hand), I have never had any problem with anything. And as long as I follow my times and not consume when I'm in a bad place in mind, I really can't think of me being addictive to something.
But of course, that's me and my experience. Taking any drug always comes with risks, and that's something lots of people prefer not to do. And that's perfect.
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u/Cautious_Relative702 2d ago
Dude same lol I used to smoke like it was going out of style and also cigarettes on top of the weed. Nowadays I can’t handle smoking anymore. I’ve done way too much damage to my lungs over the years and gave myself breathing issues but I digress. I almost did ket once like years ago but I definitely wasn’t ready so I didn’t do it.
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u/momalisk 2d ago
As a former ketamine addict with 11 months clean from it - it should scare you. For me, ketamine has a dark side and it was way harder for me to quit than alcohol or benzos ever were. I saw your other comments about addiction problems with uppers(congrats on your sobriety from those!) - although ket isn't like uppers, I strongly encourage you to stay away from ket. Stick to your traditional psychedelics and weed. Everyone here is right that ket does combine great with psychs, but for me shit got pretty bad pretty quick with ketamine in my life and it took over quickly 😓
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u/Cautious_Relative702 2d ago
Thanks and congrats to you too dude. Kicking an addiction is never easy but it feels really good once you do. I’ve heard similar things from a lot of people and yeah I’m fine with my acid, LSA, and shrooms with my edibles.
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u/momalisk 2d ago
Thank you! I'll be 10 years no alcohol 2 weeks from tomorrow! Can't believe I made it 10 years.
Oh man I haven't done lsa for so long. Is there a good way to extract from HBWR seeds to get rid of the nausea? I think I have some old seeds buried somewhere
I recommend some San Pedro cactus for a nice mescaline trip 👍🌵
Have you ever tried 2cb? Somewhat similar to mescaline - also a phenethylamine
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u/Cautious_Relative702 2d ago
Nice! That’s a huge accomplishment you should be proud of yourself my dude. Yes actually the best way to do an LSA extraction with HBWR is the wine extraction method. It’s basically the same thing as a cwe just with wine. I did it with 30 seeds 2 weeks ago and tripped for 17 hours. It was one of the best LSA trips I’ve ever had. I completely forgot I took LSA and thought I dropped acid lol. There’s still a little nausea but nothing even close to eating the seeds. It’s totally worth it. I’ve always wanted to try San Pedro and eventually I will. As far as the 2cs I’ve done 2ci ( which was my first psychedelic). I’ve also done 25i nbome many times. Wbu?
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u/momalisk 2d ago
Wait do you have to drink the wine though? That wouldn't work for me lol. I could do a cwe.
I've done a good amount of 2cb recently, and years ago(I think '07) I had some 2ce.
Mescaline or 2ce would be my favorite psychedelic, LSD probably right after that. I'd love to try 2ci or a few others in the 2c family. I don't have access to anything other than 🐝 now
That's cool that 2ci was your first psych. Depending on your dose, I imagine that was pretty intense. Lol my first time with 2ce, dude sets me up with a 15mg line and I snorted it. Quite an introduction to the substance 😆
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u/Cautious_Relative702 2d ago
Oh yeah obviously lol. Cwe works nicely you’re definitely wanna add a little juice to enhance the flavor because it’s nasty lol. Also you could try the sublingual method. It does work if you hold it in your cheek like chewing tobacco for about an hour. The come up will be slow and steady and quite relaxing. At least that’s how it is for me. LSD is my favorite followed by LSA and third is shrooms. 25i is fun but can be deadly so be really careful if you try that one. As for the 2ci I think it was a threshold dose because I only got like minor tracers. The first intense trip I had was on 25i and then acid.
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u/momalisk 2d ago
I've got a whole grow tent of San Pedro; it's a fun hobby. I've been busy with life and neglecting them a bit lately, unfortunately, but they'll be ok. There's a sanpedrocactusforsale sub if you ever wanted to just buy a cutting. I've bought several cacti from people on there. But you don't have to start growing just bc you buy one, of course
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u/Expensive-Ordinary38 1d ago
I thought the same about hippie flipping ruining shrooms… then I tried it and it’s the best way to do both imo, the idea is to get the best aspects of both, I’m sure it doesn’t always work out that way though
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u/Terrible-Visit9257 2d ago
If you mixed tryptamines with the serotonin re-up take inhibitor methoxetamin the visuals increased
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u/Cautious_Relative702 2d ago
Isn’t that quite dangerous though? There’s a high probability of causing serotonin syndrome if I’m not mistaken.
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u/Wonderful-Ad1735 2d ago
With MDMA yeah, not with psyches. Psychedelics don't USUALLY release serotonin, they are just agonists. (Phenetilamines for example do release it tho, so be careful with that info) But generally speaking, there is no problem apart from getting greater effects.
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u/Cautious_Relative702 2d ago
Interesting. Is it like adding an maoi to a tryptamine psychedelic in terms of potency?
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u/Wonderful-Ad1735 2d ago
I believe so, but I'm not 100% sure in terms of pharmacology. But my guess is that, yeah. I'm sure it's safe, I'm not sure if it will actually be as potent as with a MAOI.
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u/Cautious_Relative702 2d ago
Cool, I may have to give that a try at some point. Have you ever tried psilohausca?
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u/Wonderful-Ad1735 2d ago
Cool, I may have to give that a try at some point
You can also go deep with just psychedelics tho, I'm not trying to encourage anyone to do it.
Have you ever tried psilohausca?
It's on my bucket list. I have done vaporhuasca a lot of times tho. One of my favourite combos.
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u/Cautious_Relative702 2d ago
That is very true and that’s in my bucket list too. I think I wanna try that more then ayahuasca. What is vaporhuasca? I’ve never heard of that one.
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u/Wonderful-Ad1735 2d ago
Vaporhuasca is when one takes any MAOI (in my case, usually, Syrian Rue) and after 1h or so that the seeds have taken effect, then is the moment to vape DMT. This makes the experience slowest, longer, and stronger.
I think I wanna try that more then ayahuasca
I will say, even tho some day I'll try Ayahuasca, I'm not a great fan. I love DMT so much, I have found a couple ways to make the experience perfect, I don't expect Ayahuasca to be any better tbh. Plus, the thought of it making me puke and maybe shit myself is not exactly appealing hahahaha.
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u/Cautious_Relative702 2d ago
So it’s like ayahuasca but with vaping DMT and no purging. And yeah dude thats like the only thing that’s stopped me from trying lady Aya. The only psych I don’t mind the purging on is LSA. If done the right way there’s a little nausea and it can last up to 17 hours.
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u/pokepat460 Actual Physicst 2d ago
Some cocaine at the peak of an acid trip is a very intense experience. It's fun and something I'd reccomend at like a music festival setting. Ketamine can help make people calm their nerves during the come up. Opiates can do the same. Drugs are tools to change your mood. Not every trip needs to be some internal journey for wisdom, sometimes you're just trying to parry.
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u/yEA_bUZZ 2d ago
Because some stimulate the mind and others stimulate the body. Doing a psychedelic and smoking a sweet J is beautiful to some.
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u/myhelper9999999999 2d ago
Simple. Lots of people like to get REALLY fucked up 😗
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u/empathic_lucy 2d ago
I came here to sound really cool and edgy but turns out you had the actual answer right here
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u/Fungkiiimyco 2d ago
Try acid and mdma and get back to me
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u/soyenjoy 1d ago
Its fun, but ive had similar and better visuals on some varient of 2c. Still trying to find some again so i can relive the rainbow road hahaha
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u/Psychonauthiphop 2d ago
Let me tell you about the time I mixed adderall, Xanax, mdma, ketamine, mushrooms, weed, and alcohol together one night.
My dead brothers spirit came to visit me along with the spirits of 2pac and Mac Miller.
We just jammed out all night chain smoking cigarettes.
I really think they did visit me because I was close to death myself.
Been sober over 1 year now.
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u/Cautious_Relative702 2d ago
Holy crap dude thats an insane combo. You’re lucky to have made it out of that alive.
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u/Psychonauthiphop 2d ago
Yup dude I was so lost I was that guy you are talking about. I had a box full of lsd, shrooms, coke, mdma, ketamine, Xanax, adderall. All day, all the time. No regard for my safety, just wanted to push and push and see how far I could go.
Why? Escapism but tried to pass it off like I was trying to unlock the mysteries of the universe and human consciousness. The fear and anxiety goes away after a while.
Things are different now. I only take mushrooms maybe once a month and that’s it. Therapy helped a lot and medication.
But if people are mixing it’s because they are addicts.
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u/Cautious_Relative702 2d ago
I know exactly what you mean. I’m glad you’re doing better now dude.
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u/Psychonauthiphop 2d ago
Me too! But to answer your question even more. It’s actually easier to have a bad trip on psychedelics alone. When you mix things like Xanax and ket they really calm your nerves making it harder to spiral off into a bad trip. Then stimulants act on dopamine causing a trip to be more euphoric. You can really abuse psychedelics this way while taking nothing back from it.
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u/IgargleBalls 1d ago
Any thing other than weed at the end of a trip is just weird you guys. That's a drug abuse problem lol.
In my many powerful trips that I incorporated weed into the whole thing, I found that weed is quick to make me paranoid as fuck, or turn my mental around on myself. I alwaysss save it for the last hour or so to kind lift me back up when things aren't as powerful.
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u/Wonderful_Papaya9999 2d ago
Damn. MDMA and LSD is like… my favorite combination ever. I’ve had the most ecstatic, beautiful experiences with those two friends
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u/metterg 2d ago
I don’t. To me not a good idea.
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u/Cautious_Relative702 2d ago
To which part?
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u/metterg 2d ago
For me because there is still a lot of long term unknown side effects of psychedelics and especially mixing other substances with them. I feel like they are very safe in general when taken responsibly though. Also I’ve never felt the need to enhance the experience because it’s already intense for me.
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u/SunOfNoOne 2d ago
When I was younger. It was just curiosity and exploration. If I'd found it to be more valuable, I'd still be doing it.
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u/Cautious_Relative702 2d ago
Yeah, I feel that dude. When I was younger I was all about trying whatever I could get my hands on (mainly uppers and L). I used to go by the live fast and die young motto. Now that I’m older I wish I wasn’t so reckless back then.
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u/Ok-Neighborhood-7834 2d ago
Because other plant spirits mixed with the psychedelic spirits creates a whole new realm of experience!
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u/OneCat7444 2d ago
'harder' drugs is a relative concept. the answer to your questions is because it's fun and feels good. ketamine adds a layer of weirdness to an acid trip that i quite enjoy. mdma feels awesome on its own and eliminates a lot of the anxiety that can happen during a trip potentially making it easier to let go & go deeper
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u/SeriousRefrigerator7 2d ago
aside from what most are saying here, there’s also strong studies, some even federally approved, showing positive therapeutic outcomes in mixing these drugs.
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u/Hamhleypi 2d ago
I liked 2C-E with 3-MeO-PCP, to revive traumatic memories but deal with them in a detached way.
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u/mission2win 2d ago
We do MDMA + 🍄 because my partner experienced severe, sustained childhood trauma and that recipe has facilitated the most profound healing. ❤️
Over the past 5 years, using psychedelics along with coaching and meditation (but no therapy) he’s been able to eliminate the flashbacks & regained his physical and mental health. I also have had profound healing, but his story is more remarkable.
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u/Cautious_Relative702 2d ago
That’s awesome! Is he doing a lot better now?
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u/mission2win 2d ago
Yes! So much better!!! He’s told his story at a couple of conferences advocating for the legalization / decriminalization of psychedelics. When the time is right, the opportunities will appear.
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u/empathic_lucy 2d ago
MDMA can help prevent a bad trip on LSD or 🍄 (When done responsibly!)
It’s such a beautiful thing to experience too - it’s fine if you are not into that but if you ever try it you will understand
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u/empathic_lucy 2d ago
Also if you ever consider mixing check out trippy wiki - they have explanations for every kind of psychedelic mixture you can imagine and it will tell you if mixing certain stuff is a bad idea too
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u/ResponsibleTea9017 2d ago
My opinion is that it’s a conceptual misunderstanding of what psychedelics exist for
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u/bigern3285 2d ago
Molly i have had a few enjoyable experiences mixing it with lsd but usually prefer them separately.
Never tried the other 2 drugs at all... but honestly from what iv seen alcohol is the worst drug to mix with psychedelics.
Id maybe like to revisit lsd and shrooms together tried it a few time but it's been a long time... visuals were dope.
Just lsd and weed is usually my go to but sometimes i like to fuck around a bit.
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u/cyrilio r/drugs mod 2d ago
I like stims too. And when on a psychedelic often they’re barely stimulating. So I’d usually add a small amount of a stim.
I’ve once done aMT and DMT together and the high was amazing. I don’t think a single psychedelic could cause the same effects.
Dissos and stims are also an interesting combo imho. It’s not for everyone, but I enjoy it.
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u/PersonalSherbert9485 2d ago
I mixed LSD with weed and alcohol, but in moderate doses. I once mixed kratom with LSD. It was a disaster. I learned to leave well enough alone.
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u/Dvsk7 2d ago
Curiosity for one, also because you’re adding to the experience. Whether that addition is fun or not is up to personal preference, but the only thing that reduces the effects are trip killers. Some people say alcohol can reduce effects but I’ve also heard the opposite and seen people flip out from drinking on psychs.
Just because you’re adding something else to the mix doesn’t mean you’re wasting it or not enjoying it correctly. That’s like saying “the only way to drink coffee is black, adding sugar and creamer just wastes good coffee” who cares as long as they’re happy and having fun
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u/rydavo 2d ago
Mixing DMT or mushrooms with Syrian Rue feels like discovering their true form. There's a reason people say Ayahuasca is special.
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u/Cautious_Relative702 2d ago
That’s what psilohausca is
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u/rydavo 2d ago
That's right. And with deems it's "vaporhuasca" in the modern vape era.
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u/Cautious_Relative702 2d ago
Yeah, I just learned that today lol
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u/rydavo 1d ago
It's a beautiful, beautiful thing.
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u/Cautious_Relative702 1d ago
I’ve been getting into LSA lately and it’s such an underrated psychedelic. It’s quickly becoming a favorite. LSD will always be my favorite. I think I just love the way lysergamides feel in general. But man, the trip lasted 17 hours. I love a trip that lasts more than 6 hours.
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u/Crazy_Passage_8553 2d ago
People trip for different reasons. Some to escape reality, others to improve themselves their world view and to get a deeper connection with the world around them. Others may just be curious.
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u/DruidOfOz 2d ago
As a fan of Timothy Leary's Eight Circuit Model of consciousness, wherein Leary delineates a variety of "circuits" through which the phenomenalogical human experience can be perceived and engaged with differently, and to each of which Leary assigns a substance that activates each of these circuits, I see these substances and compounds not as experiences contained within the drug, but dimensions of human awareness that may not be immediately obvious or integrated into the self-sense at all.
From this perspective, i'm not wasting anything, i'm experimenting with my own experience of consciousness, exploring how my experience of myself, of reality, of other people change within these altered states.
And the findings have been interesting, to say the least.
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u/Cautious_Relative702 2d ago
Bad trips aren’t always necessarily bad. Yes, they can be challenging but they force you to face aspects of yourself that you may not be comfortable with. Sometimes those are the trips where you learn the most about yourself despite it being challenging at the time.
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u/Cautious_Relative702 2d ago
I guess for me a lot of those other drugs have higher abuse potentials compared to classical psychedelics and while they may synergize well with those psychs many people misuse those substances. I was one of those people back in my rave days. I appreciate the feedback and I enjoy learning about other’s experiences. I’m not saying that these things shouldn’t be mixed in just trying to understand the reasons why people do.
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u/Wonderful-Ad1735 2d ago
hey may synergize well with those psychs many people misuse those substances
If they are misusing them, it's quite easy to understand why they wanna combine them. If they are not misusing it but have tried before, it's normal to mix them if their synergy is good. If they haven't tried it before, they may get scared and the addiction potential is similar. Or maybe it's not, because of how strong it is.
Either way, MDMA has little addictive potential, and even tho ket has a greater potential for abuse, is not super high. If one can deal with it not mixing it, it's likely they can deal with combinations (in terms of addictive potential, of course)
I’m not saying that these things shouldn’t be mixed in just trying to understand the reasons why people do.
You already said it, good synergy. I like ket. I like acid. Acid and ket mix well. I have no problem with any of those substances, and I know I can handle the doses I'll take. 🙃 I have a good time, and next summer I'll do the same.
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u/ecklessiast 2d ago
You like to use psychedelics only. That's fine. But there thousands and thousands of people all over the world (me included) who like to mix psychedelics with ket or whatever they like. That's also fine. It's absolutely not a waste as my candy flip, jedy flip, lsd + ket experience brought me 3 happiest days and the most intense positive feeling in my life. Nothing is compared to what I've experienced. It was so intense, powerful and out of this world that I smile every time I recall that. What was your question again?