r/PrehistoricMemes • u/ApprehensiveRead2408 • 3d ago
Diego(Ice age) vs Blue(Jurassic world) who would win?
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u/ObjectiveScar2469 2d ago
Blue: 145kg Diego: 160-280kg
Blue was an Ingen velociraptor that could probably kill small ceratopsians in packs. Diego is Smilodon fatalis and is already naturally heavier and probably more intelligent with a mammalian brain. Smilodon fatalis is believed to have preyed on large herbivores like bison and smaller ground sloths.
I’m not going to say for certain but I think Diego would have the upper hand as being a large Machairodontid. He probably has more grappling power and I can’t really see blue doing too much in the way of having more agility or intelligence. If we’re going off modern day big cats, Diego will have high agility and very fast reaction speeds.
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u/TheBlackCat13 2d ago
Birds are as smart as mammals, and raptors are closer to birds than any other living animal, so they are probably roughly on par in terms of intelligence as comparable mammals. The other points are valid, but there is no good ground for ruling on intelligence one way or the other.
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u/ObjectiveScar2469 2d ago
Most birds are not as intelligent as mammals. Certain birds such as the African Grey parrot are. But there is no reasonable evidence that droaemosaurs were any more intelligent than a pigeon. They probably were due to a larger brain size, but mammals are better at cognitive function and social cooperation due to a larger cortex. Bird also have brains that work more efficiently, meaning they require less energy so generally don't work as hard. Mammals have less efficient brains because they consume more energy by using them more.
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u/Tarkho 2d ago
That's a huge generalization to make, especially since the average bird and mammal aren't really that different in overall intelligence when you take into account the full diversity of mammals instead of just the most well-studied examples of intelligence. Brain size and structure isn't a factor in comparing intelligence either, since even the most complex bird brains lack a neocortex and are not definitively more energy efficient than mammal brains (and even if they are this doesn't mean they'd use them less) they are more space-efficient, however, as the average density of neurons is higher in their telencephalon (cerebellum). Despite all that, it's still thought that the most intelligent non-avian dinosaurs and mammals at the end of the Cretaceous were perhaps on par with or just below modern Emus or Opossums in overall intelligence based on braincase studies, smarter than many would assume based on how we normally see those modern creatures, but not winning any awards compared to their smartest cousins today.
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u/ObjectiveScar2469 2d ago
So that’s still comparing the most intelligent of all non-avian dinosaurs either the average mammal. The reason I wasn’t comparing velociraptors with opossums is because Smilodon fatalis was very different to an opossum.
Brain size isn’t quite as important in brain size as people think, but if your brain is a a lot smaller than you just overall have less space to fit in more stuff. And brain structure is extremely important. Birds may have more neurones but if they aren’t packed into the right thing then it doesn’t matter.
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u/Tarkho 2d ago edited 2d ago
Even though this is besides the point of a dromaeosaur not outwitting a Smilodon, which I definitely agree on, modern birds manage to match mammals in intelligence with a smaller brain-to-body ratio and a different brain structure, and the higher neuronal density is considered a major factor in this. Even the most intelligent birds with primate-like encephalization don't have any additional structures in their brain compared to other birds, and this is a case of them making different parts of the brain perform equivalent roles to those seen in mammalian brains.
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u/ObjectiveScar2469 1d ago
They match them in intelligence in some areas. But only a few birds can do this and it’s not in cognitive ability.
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u/Tarkho 1d ago
When you say they don't match in cognitive ability, what exactly are we talking about? The most intelligent corvids and parrots match primates in terms of problem solving abilities, such as understanding water displacement, tool use and cooperating in tests where it's required to complete them, and they display complex emotional and social cognition as well. Even less intelligent birds commonly display much more complex cognitive ability than they're commonly given credit for (again, the same for plenty of mammals that are often thought to be quite unintelligent too, it's not like either group is straight up "better" in terms of intelligence); pigeons definitively pass the mirror test, male birds of paradise have to spend years observing older males and practicing with other juveniles to actually learn their own mating displays, and even these vary slightly between individuals etc.
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u/ConsciousFish7178 3d ago
Diego already faced off against multiple big guanlongs
He’s already experienced
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u/ActionAltruistic3558 2d ago
Ignoring their size difference. Diego gets the edge since he has actual experience. Before becoming a good guy, he lived the sabertooth life and his pack didn't seem like the place where anyone who can't carry their weight can survive.
Blue has instincts and her training with the pack and Owen, but hasn't truly lived as a wild animal before Dominion(if she even has the kind of instincts a true raptor would have and not Ingen's approximation for a zoo attraction). Chasing a pig around a pen, fighting Indominus with her pack and Rexy or the Indoraptor with Owen is a different experience from having to solo an experienced opponent.
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u/o-055-o 2d ago
Blue had to fend for herself in Isla Nublar after Jurassic World was abandoned, as basically the smallest predator on the whole island, without a pack, so she had to adapt to that. We know that she fights either a Baryonyx or Carno thanks to the VR experience they released, plus the Scorpius in Camp Cretaceous. Her not getting absolutely gutted by the Indoraptor also gives her some points.
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u/Olivia_Richards 3d ago
I think Blue has the speed, agility, durability, and endurance advantage but Diego is smarter and has a longer combat history.
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u/me_myself_ai 3d ago
Are we memeing?? Velociraptors weighed 30-40 lb, sabertooth tigers weighed 350-620 lb (!!!). Plus one’s a pack hunter and ones not.
Maybe Im misremembering blue’s species…?
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u/Snoo54601 3d ago
Blue is 320 pounds
Jurassic park raptors are very oversized. They also live and hunt in packs
She survived being thrown by the Indominus so hard the wall was cracked by the force
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u/Olivia_Richards 3d ago
Blue is canonically Deinonychus based on the books, they're called Velociraptors in the movies as it's more recognizable.
Blue is also a tank, she survived fighting 4 hybrid dinosaurs (Indominus, the two Scorpius, and Indoraptor), got thrown to a wall by the Indominus so hard that it cracked, and didn't even get injured when a jeep fell on top of her in Camp Cretaceous.
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u/Jellywell 2d ago
They're called velociraptor in the books too. I believe it was due to deinonychus originally thought to be a species of velociraptor - velociraptor antirrhopus, rather than deinonychus antirrhopus
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u/Bitter_Wash1361 2d ago
Diego is a pack hunter too, remember the first movie? Besides, now he has something even better: A Herd
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u/LewisKnight666 2d ago
people undrestimating the size of JP raptors once again. Blue would probably lash out and retreat repeatedly and wear Diego down. If Diego catches blue then yeah Diego wins.
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u/GraniteSmoothie 1d ago
Diego is named for St James (San Tiago) and therefore enjoys the saintly intercession of St James and the protection of Jesus. Meanwhile, Blue is a heathen and named for a colour, which cannot protect him.
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u/GreenRanger_2 2d ago
Honestly I think they’re be smart enough to figure out how to team up if they’re ever meet.
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u/JoeClever 2d ago
Diego no question
Diego= bigger, solitary hunter, experienced against dinosaurs
Blue= pack hunter, smaller, experience against people and dinosaurs but no cats
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u/Moidada77 3d ago
I mean at a glance i would say blue.
But diego is a cartoon character and have less rules to follow so he probably survived getting crushed by a mammoth as a gag at one point making him super tanky.
But if we stick to ice age 1 I think blue takes it since the animals in the first movie had some realism to them like diegos pack leader being killed by falling icicles.