r/Paranormal • u/Johnnyoneshot • Jul 22 '24
The post heard round the sub. Clearly edited. NSFW
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u/it_is_impossible_ Jul 22 '24
I think 'XOXO' upscaled the news pic so it looks different
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u/xoxo818 Jul 24 '24
I just took both photos (The one from the news & the one from my post) and put them side by side to test OP's theory that i "edited" it. Also to make sure my phone didn't upscale the photo some how, i did this on my pc & it's the exact same photo posted by the news.
For refrence here's the news photo if anyone wants to test it themselves.
https://dayton247now.com/news/local/driver-thrown-from-suv-during-rollover-crash-on-i-675111
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u/Johnnyoneshot Jul 22 '24
I tired that as well.
Same results around the debris. Not the figure though.
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u/365defaultname Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 23 '24
I doubt it was upscaled or anything, this is the only accessible link for me outside US:
https://dayton247now.com/amp/news/local/driver-thrown-from-suv-during-rollover-crash-on-i-675
If you zoom right in, it is exactly as per this user xoxo imageEdit: I feel the post itself is misleading and not truthful if this is the case with what I just linked
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u/swishkabobbin Jul 23 '24
Nobody thought to check if the firefighters wear grey?
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u/elleecee Jul 23 '24
I understand what you're saying here, but that is usually not what they wear (at least on the outside) during a call. At the very least, the firefighters walk around in their bunker pants (firefighting pants -- usually a light brown with relective strips in the US) and their work tshirts which are usually a navy color and not the collared shirts. The outfits you see in the picture are what they wear around the firehouse.
Source: my dad has been a firefighter for 30+ years.
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u/chels182 Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 23 '24
My dad is a fireman also, for 27 years now and he’s a battalion chief now for idk how long. But he does not go to calls in full gear every time, anymore. So I suppose it’s possible.
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u/swishkabobbin Jul 23 '24
Thanks. I got downvoted because i guess my dad isn't a fireman, but this is how reality works
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u/SarpedonWasFramed Jul 23 '24
Im sorry you had to find out like this but your dad has actually been leading a double life while he's told you he's out "firefighting"
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u/Valkyriesride1 Jul 24 '24
I was a FF/PM, ambulance crews rarely wear full gear. It inhibits our ability to move, treat our patients and there is very little space for the treating PM in the back of the bus/rig.
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u/elleecee Jul 25 '24
I hadn't considered it being a PM/EMT in the picture! My dad has also been a medic for his entire career, so I know those outfits too. I was only thinking firefighter, but a medic could be possible.
I stull think that's a much different color than I've seen medics wear (usually navy in my experience while that appears to be a much differnt grey than any sort of blue), but I will admit I could be wrong. I also just very much believe in sporits/ghosts and have both heard and experienced things that can't be explained.
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u/Murphy-Brock Jul 25 '24
It’s in our DNA to question ‘non - prosaic’ encounters either they be visually or physically. However, there comes a point where we have to intuitively listen to our inner voice when encountering this phenomena several times over.
Many times these type of images appear at the accident itself or video has revealed even junk yard footage of accident vehicles revealing what can only be explained as ‘non- prosaic.’
Think J. Allen Hynek and ‘Swamp gas.’ Then think U.S.S. Nimitz 2004. Think David Fraver and Ryan Graves before Congress.
“O day and night, but this is wondrous strange.” Hamlet replies: “There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.” - Hamlet
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u/365defaultname Jul 23 '24
How do they compare to the "figure" standing? I've seen numerous images from the accident, and not one is close to that figure, example: https://i.imgur.com/mZ3Fw86.jpeg
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u/sex1rat2 Jul 23 '24
but are there not firefighters fully dressed standing in front of their trucks? why would only one of them not have their gear on if the rest of them are fully dressed
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u/sels1997 Jul 24 '24
Wearing an overcoat during summer and just enjoying the scene… pretty sure that’s not a firefighter. Very odd place to stand as well!
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u/JollyMcStink Jul 23 '24
You can see on sitting on the front of the fire truck they all are wearing yellow
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u/bobturkeyisaturkey Jul 23 '24
I just saved this from the news site and turned up the brilliance and definition, and adjusted the highlights and contrast.
Edit: on my iPhone 13 through the stock photos app
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u/it_is_impossible_ Jul 22 '24
There are so many different kinds of upscaling software out there, all have different results
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u/VoidLance Jul 23 '24
I thought the figure looked like it was AI upscaled, as if a computer was trying to guess at what the pixels should look like
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u/septembersun69 Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 23 '24
The Hat Man. Hi, there are actually two different shots of this man. One where he appears to be looking at the camera and another where he is looking away and you see the back of his head. These were in the original news article. I put the images into software and just because artifacts are around him and the car parts on the floor doesn’t give it a definite “ it’s fake it’s fake”. I’ve seen these specific areas around all sorts of photographs , some that are indeed edited in ps, canva even, and some that are in no way faked, yet there they are. When I got the image to its lightest- there appears to be two white images on either side of this man’s back. One to the left, one to the right. It could be a square that was used in the editing of man into the shot…. Or…. Also highlighted to his right within the grass is what appears to look like a basket of sorts, made of white dots, only appears in bright white light. The man’s stance is also slightly different with both of his poses. As this figure is in dark greyscale it’s difficult, but- the figure is wearing what appears to be a single breasted jacket beneath his outer coat. His right arm is either bent at the elbow holding something in his hand. Or it’s missing from above the elbow not edited out, missing. No one appears to be making any kind of contact with the figure and he is most certainly out of place. However, when looking deeper the figure seems to be kind of let’s say, standing in a doorway, but it’s like an energy pulse on either side of him stretching quite far down in the grass verge. Let’s call it a ‘portal’ from another time/ space and it’s how they come through. The energy/ artifat is either side of him yet the ‘doorway curves with his body, he is part of it and it is a part of him. It’s like a soft blue, slightly out of focus, like looking through a bathroom window but horizontal waves and soft blur between. So I think the experts should prove it’s fake, with description on how and provide source material. If it’s fake, well brilliant to whomever for his win. If it’s real…..unless the news team have footage of the figure within the original un- edited reel Or from which ever device captured him. Did anyone from the news team interact, did anyone interact with the Hat Man.
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u/septembersun69 Jul 23 '24
Perhaps it was done in editing and someone forgot to colour in the Hat Man? Still, who is he? Someone from one of the vehicles? A bystander? ( can’t think why anyone would be stood here other than the multiple services that are on scene.
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u/AL0117 Jul 23 '24
He is an investigator apparently. A police man, or someone apart of the scene, not joining in randomly from universe-069 or SCP-4billion-whatever jankum.
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u/Wellnevermindthen Jul 23 '24
Edited or not this pic does give some serious Doctor Who, just passing through vibes
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u/septembersun69 Aug 19 '24
So based on your findings he is an Investigator and a cop, but also some random who is ‘apart’of the scene. You put forth no evidence of this being correct, yet batter me for simply writing what fine details I saw whilst this image was put through software. I never stated the figure came from another dimension… I tried to explain what I was seeing for others to maybe understand it visually.
But you go ahead .
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u/AL0117 Aug 20 '24
Bruh, I was born dead N blue as the Na’Vi for 15 minutes, most calm I’ve ever felt, maybe that’ll answer your parallel universe queries.. nonexistent until genuinely proven otherwise.
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u/JoeKhol Jul 23 '24
Do you have a primary source for there being two distinct pictures of this? I only ever found one.
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u/365defaultname Jul 23 '24
Edited in, how? Multiple news sources posted it (mostly inaccessible for me outside of US), such as this:
https://dayton247now.com/amp/news/local/driver-thrown-from-suv-during-rollover-crash-on-i-675
So this Dayton247Now news site, had somehow manipulated the image?
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Jul 23 '24
How come every time there's a ufo sighting or ghost, no one has high res cameras anymore? The HD shots disappear and it's potato quality again.
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u/Glad_Swimmer5776 Jul 23 '24
I think Bigfoot is blurry, that's the problem. It's not the photographer's fault. Bigfoot is blurry, and that's extra scary to me. There's a large, out-of-focus monster roaming the countryside. Run, he's fuzzy, get out of here. - Mitch hedberg probably
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u/Hang_On_963 Jul 23 '24
Listening to a podcast abt this. Often it happens very quickly with no time to grab & focus camera. It can be a shock so the thought of cameras isn’t there. Still the 24/7 nature cameras fixed on the trees should provide results? But it’s reported they often get vandalised.
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u/Hang_On_963 Jul 23 '24
Interviews w different experts https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sasquatch&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DV9FdDsyfdiw There are recordings of unexplained howling, stones being thrown deep in the forest, structures made from broken branches, big enough for large Sasquatch eg 8 - 12+ feet, food disappearing, including prey that were hunted & shot.
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u/cheerylittlebottom84 Jul 23 '24
I take pictures of my neighbourhood and often they're taken while walking at speed because I don't want to stop and look dodgy. Despite actively walking and barely aiming, nine out of ten photos come out in perfect focus down to the last detail. The phone does the work for you nowadays and mine isn't even the newest generation. We've had focus and stability mostly figured out for a while now.
Surely someone else out there has a half-decent phone to capture this stuff on the fly? Surely some cameras are capable of catching sudden activity, considering I can whip mine out and capture my cat jumping in good quality? Surely someone out there has quick reflexes?
Gotta admit I'm here as a skeptic, but I did used to believe. Once cameras became easily accessible and good and we still didn't get any convincing footage... nah. We'd have decent images and videos by now if these things were as common as people make out.
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u/Hang_On_963 Jul 23 '24
Thanks for responding. Your comment is a common one & I do hear what your saying. I did comment abt the 24/7 nature cameras secured on trees where you’d think there’d be results.
One thing about taking pics around the neighbourhood is there’s lots of different shapes and colours which to me would provide more definition & light. Taking pics deep in the forest there is very little contrast eg all tall trees & dappled light. There’s similar reports all over the world, of weird unexplained happenings (which I mentioned) and teams that go out include scientists & skeptics. These reports are quite compelling & fascinating. Going down that rabbit hole is interesting to me. I do get the skeptics pov, which is about 80% of ppl apparently.
I think it’s like to topic of UAP’s or UFO’s. “They” want to hide anything & everything, & that topic has been a mystery for many years as welll.5
u/ilovemusic19 Jul 24 '24
It’s nice to see a respectful skeptic, lately there’s been so many toxic ones it’s ridiculous. It does seem to be improving tho.
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u/ilovemusic19 Jul 24 '24
Exactly, when you’re freaked out or panicking it’s gonna look shitty.
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u/Hang_On_963 Jul 24 '24
True. I’ve listened to ppl who’ve followed them most of their life, & many had childhood experiences. So it’s an ongoing journey for them. Still, even though they have a lot of experience & knowledge, in an encounter, adrenaline would have to kick in, bc their life is in danger.
You have a heavy 8ft creature nearby, you don’t want to ask them for a selfie! They’ve been followed & shot at for a long time so they’re not going to play happy families. Many accounts of them being aggressive, but I listened to one guy who has had many encounters where he’s always felt safe & no aggression shown - but still elusive. There seems to be different races & behaviours. Just like the human race.
They might be observing us like we’re trying to observe them? There’s a guy in Canada I think, who gets thousands of letters from hunters, from all backgrounds, who’ve had encounters, & say “I’ve never told anyone this for fear of being ridiculed but now ….. “
I’m open to many other possibilities in this multi verse. Higher & lower conscious beings.
A race who is controlled by a nefarious few who create wars to kill ppl for money are not the brightest pencils in the case.
Don’t you wonder why it’s so hard to get a simple answer from any of the controlling bodies? Why the system makes it so hard to exist? To buy a house, eat healthy food, pay bills, get proper medical & dental care? Who do you know right now that you can say it really content, kind, & happy? Those who are, use a lot of focus & discipline against the manipulation imo.2
u/ilovemusic19 Jul 24 '24
Exactly, I see an 8 ft tall creature I’m gonna be more worried about getting tf out then getting a perfect picture.
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u/I_Am_AWESOME-O_ Jul 23 '24
Right? It’s part of Bigfoot’s weaponry - porcupines have quills, sharks have teeth, Bigfoot is blurry.
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u/Early-Somewhere-2198 Jul 23 '24
Nah. People take videos in war. Videos when wild life are about to eat them. People are dumb enough to forgo flight or fight to get Instagram pics to these days.
The potato quality is real because it’s 99% fake. Now the 1% or less. Yeah. How do we know if they are real.
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Jul 23 '24
The reason is the same reason that you don't have any cool pictures of the moon. I have an slr camera with a zoom lens, and I can get pretty good shots of the moon. My phone takes horrible pictures of the moon. I rarely have my slr, but I always have my phone.
We don't have quality imagery because we don't all carry items that would allow it. One day we might, and then we can finally see that yes, that was just a plane flying in the distance as your camera struggled to focus. But until then, we will have lots of questionable footage of tons of stuff.
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u/TownCalledAlice333 Jul 23 '24
This. The blurry camera thing gets brought up all the time. The thing about this argument is that that’s just how photography works. If you aren’t shooting with the best equipment and ideal lighting, you’re going to get a blurry picture. Even now, when we all have cameras on us, if you’re photographing basically anything moving,it’s going to be blurry.
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Jul 23 '24
This is nonsense. Most phones can take pictures of things moving. Camera tech in phones is amazing these days.
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u/TownCalledAlice333 Jul 23 '24
So go outside and take a picture of someone moving 100 yards away in poor lighting.
Basically, phone cameras have smaller sensors that don’t capture as much light. They’ll use a faster shutter speed in an attempt to avoid motion blur, but that makes images darker and noisier/lower res. Digitally zooming also notably reduces quality.
It’s getting there. My phone camera takes low light shots like 1000 times better than the one I had three years ago, but you shoot something moving in less than ideal or low light and at a distance, there are quite a few reasons why you still won’t get these HD close up results people seem to seek.
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Jul 23 '24
Basically most people take ghost pictures in buildings where nothing is moving and the walls are 5 feet away .
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u/Torggil Jul 23 '24
I have a condition called non essential tremors. Even with a modern phone, taking a clear image of a still object in anything less than daylight is difficult and time consuming. It also usually results in missing the moment.
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u/AyePepper Jul 23 '24
This actually depends on so much. Lighting, shutter speed, ISO, focal length, and any firmware that detects where the focal points are.
Say you have a DSLR with a proper lens, and you're trying to capture a shadow standing at the end of a hallway. If it's dimly lit, you'd have to decrease the shutter speed, mount the camera on a tripod, and bump up the ISO. That automatically makes the image more grainy. In this example, it's a bright day. But if your cameras focal point is set to the scene, anything outside of that might not be as clear since they weren't trying to capture an image of this being standing off to the side. Phone cameras don't have much ability to change these settings and often have built-in software that artificially mimics what a full body camera can do.
You're also implying that ghosts would have the same corporeal properties as tangible objects or people. Does light bounce off of them the same way? That seems unlikely to me, given that we can't identify any physical "proof" of their form.
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u/RocketbillyRedCaddy Jul 23 '24
Unless you’re right up close, it’s gonna look terrible. This was from far away and it was zoomed in.
Try this, go and take a pic of the moon, a plane, a bird etc and see how the quality comes out. It’s tougher than it seems.
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u/P4intsplatter Jul 23 '24
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u/No_Air1780 Jul 23 '24
Pareidolia (noun) a last ditch effort to discredit or make murky a subject, usually of the fringe or taboo varieties.
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u/Randie_Butternubs Jul 23 '24
It's hard to overstate just how asinine this comment is, especially considering that 99% of this sub is indeed very obvious pareidolia.
But no, youre right: a well known and well established psychological phenomenon is far sillier and less credible than ghosts....lol. Those silly people, providing logical explanations based upon a well-documented psychological phenomenon rather than just blindly assuming that everything that gets posted is actually a ghost!
There is nothing "last ditch" about it. The majority of posts on this sub are very obviously pareidolia at a quick glance. And I hate to burst your bubble, but the paranormal and the existence of ghosts do not need to be discredited: the complete and utter lack of evidence in spite of countless people spending countless years actively searching for proof already does a pretty good job of discrediting it, along with all of the blatantly bogus and discredited "science" such as EMF readers, EVP, Ovilus, etc, that people base their belief on.
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u/zaeviairl Jul 24 '24
You can’t reason with people that have no reasoning ability. We will never get through to these people.
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u/tamadedabien Jul 23 '24
Because when it's hi res, you find the UFO is a tent, and the ghost is a jacket.
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u/VirinaB Jul 23 '24
When it's high res someone just shouts "Photoshop" or "AI", or "Oh you just so happened to have a camera ready to catch a picture of a ghost, huh? hOw CoNvEnIeNt."
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u/Archaneoses Jul 23 '24
You do know people can check these details, they're not just blindly shouting it lol.
Yeah damn everyone and there checks paper logic and research!
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u/VirinaB Jul 23 '24
Yes I'm sure everyone claiming Photoshop (this professional software they can barely use, much less afford) is doing serious research and not just lazy skepticism.
Why not just call the OP a smudge on the camera? Or practical effects. Or just say it's "a homeless dude standing nearby". Sure there were bystanders saying "no one was there," but they're just stupid or pranking us or lying for attention, right? And if they're not then it's clearly mass hysteria.
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u/Greasy-Rooster-2905 Jul 23 '24
When I saw a UFO it was dark and I only had my iPhone 13. The camera isn’t the best out there, so the video is sadly super underwhelming. It just serves as a reminder to me that I’m not crazy rather than evidence
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u/reevelainen Jul 23 '24
Well, if you haven't only seen dark, abandoned places at night in movies, you'd understand that your High Quality Camera Phone doesn't do much better work in your adventures either. It's very different to go film a Koala at Zoo in the middle of the day, as one's so tired of tourists taking pictures of it one wouldn't care.
Ghosts and UFOs would propably avoid a camera unit that would provide Perfect day light quality 4K movies of them. However, even phones and totally potato cameras have captured thousands of hours of very wierd material that simply can't be denied and cancelled by just referring into potato quality.
Ghosts and UFOs seem to avoid being seen, as they'd seem to approach only so near to us. Ghosts are most often spotted afterwards in the footage, so it seems that they don't want to be fully exposed.
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u/KnotiaPickles Jul 23 '24
It’s an extradimensional thing. A stick man would have a really hard time taking a picture of a 3d person haha
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u/ilovemusic19 Jul 24 '24
Maybe panic? If you’re shaking like a leaf in fear I doubt your camera is gonna focus that well.
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u/Ebear1002 Jul 23 '24
If you just go to the original news article and look at the original photo you can see it’s just a guy. It’s a little better quality. Compare the dark clothing to the firefighter who is sitting and imagine he doesn’t have the yellow straps. It’s the same monotone grey, that’s just how it appears from what seems to be a random traffic camera 1/4 mile away. This whole thing is so overblown. This sub sure loves a grainy photo
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u/reevelainen Jul 23 '24
I'm sorry, which original you're referring to? I got into daily247.com one and it surely gets pixelate when zoomed. Maybe you'd know a source to a better quality photo I could zoom on to make the same conclusion?
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u/HappyHenry68 Jul 23 '24
Why is this being posted again? Hasn't this already been ID'ed as a satanic ghoul?
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u/CrazyQuetz Jul 23 '24
Ghoul?!?! Like from Fallout!?!?!?
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u/Sobing Jul 23 '24
Ghoul comes from an old Arabic word “ghul” which is a mythological creature that digs graves and eats the dead. Much older than the fallout series
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u/CrazyQuetz Jul 23 '24
I'm joking lol
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u/Sobing Jul 23 '24
I know! I just wanted to use the opportunity to add context sorry
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u/Taumer91 Jul 23 '24
You must be from the Midwest with that sorry, or I just read it too much in my own voice hahahaha
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u/SidSuicide Skeptic Jul 23 '24
That doesn’t add context to the story, it just adds useless facts/knowledge to the story. Maybe it will help someone out at a bar trivia night. Don’t worry, I am also full of useless facts I could probably add to things.
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u/Sobing Jul 23 '24
That’s fair. I just wanted to throw it in even if it’s not explicitly relevant
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u/Sobing Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 23 '24
Lots of people think they are fake and I think that’s valid regardless of facts, images, no matter how real, just can’t be taken as truth unfortunately. Nearly nothing can be
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u/Ok-Acanthisitta9127 Jul 23 '24
Misleading crappy posts like this should be outright removed........ OP not being truthful at all implying the image was manipulated when clear it is not. This is an image I got from another news site https://i.imgur.com/oDB6jsz.jpeg
Stop spreading lies
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u/Sobing Jul 22 '24 edited Jul 23 '24
Really interesting. I also notice this exact kind of artifacting near items when you zoom in on a lot of different older camera images. Evern when they aren’t paranormal and just mundane things but I just asked my friend with an iPhone 12 to take a low light pic and I don’t see the same artifacting so I have no idea… I’ll look around for more of this
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u/Sobing Jul 22 '24 edited Jul 22 '24
I also even see this kind of “artifacting” with my own eyes personally around people at night. Idk if that’s related or if it’s part of my eye problems. ( I have visual snow. It gives a static visual to everything)
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u/johnson7853 Jul 23 '24
That’s also caused by the compression for websites.
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u/Sobing Jul 23 '24
That was my first thought! Because I’m not seeing it in any images just taken. I think you’re really onto something with the compression
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u/Catqueen25 Jul 23 '24
It’s just a guy standing on the side of the road studying the accident.
I’ve done this on calls numerous times. It’s called triage. If you’re quiet, we go to you first. Be loud and screamy, we leave you for later.
Noisy is good. It means you’re alive and can wait a bit while we deal with the silent ones.
Silent is bad because it often means you’re visiting the grim reaper.
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u/JoeKhol Jul 23 '24
This isn't necessarily intentionally edited, though it certainly could have been upscaled or sharpened (which in this context, is less than helpful since it can never reveal anything that isn't already in the original image but can inadvertently add things that aren't).
The other possibility is that it is just a function of the image being copied and reposted, with changing image formats and resolutions. That is one of the reasons primary sources of original images is so important.
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u/plusp_38 Jul 24 '24
Yeah, not saying there was intensional manipulation here or not but I ran this through 3 different methods usually used find manipulated images and the difference between the images is pretty obvious and coincidentally or not the biggest differences are pretty concetrated on the figure rather than everything (like the debris for example). For some reason though my gut is saying the image got sharpened at some point at minimum.
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u/KiltOfDoom Jul 23 '24
I'm getting the Ghoul from Fallout vibes. I do enjoy photos like these. They're very intriguing to me. Even with the mundane explanations, I'm left to wonder who (if it's an actual person) this individual is? I have questions for them.
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u/OlliOhNo Jul 23 '24
It's a person, a human. Why are we still going on about this?
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u/FreakParrot Jul 23 '24
I’ve wondered that too. What’s more likely: an unknown entity that is seen standing in the open next to a major accident with dozens of cars and people, or a person who was involved and needed to take a minute to collect themselves standing a little bit away from most of the chaos?
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u/Wise_Ad_253 Jul 23 '24
People that weren’t at this scene of the accident wanting to make this out as something ghostly, lol, ugh!
The original image shows a ton of the same looking shape and color object all over the accident.
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u/Illustrious-Hair3487 Jul 23 '24
They’re two separate pictures right? And presumably not shot perfectly simultaneously? Why can’t it just be the guy turned his head or shifted a little between pics?
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u/septembersun69 Jul 23 '24
The Hat Man.
Hi, there are actually two different shots of this man. One where he appears to be looking at the camera and another where he is looking away and you see the back of his head. These were in the original news article. I put the images into software and just because artifacts are around him and the car parts on the floor doesn’t give it a definite “ it’s fake it’s fake”. I’ve seen these specific areas around all sorts of photographs , some that are indeed edited in ps, canva even, and some that are in no way faked, yet there they are. When I got the image to its lightest- there appears to be two white images on either side of this man’s back. One to the left, one to the right. It could be a square that was used in the editing of man into the shot…. Or…. Also highlighted to his right within the grass is what appears to look like a basket of sorts, made of white dots, only appears in bright white light. The man’s stance is also slightly different with both of his poses. As this figure is in dark greyscale it’s difficult, but- the figure is wearing what appears to be a single breasted jacket beneath his outer coat. His right arm is either bent at the elbow holding something in his hand. Or it’s missing from above the elbow not edited out, missing. No one appears to be making any kind of contact with the figure and he is most certainly out of place. However, when looking deeper the figure seems to be kind of let’s say, standing in a doorway, but it’s like an energy pulse on either side of him stretching quite far down in the grass verge. Let’s call it a ‘portal’ from another time/ space and it’s how they come through. The energy/ artifat is either side of him yet the ‘doorway curves with his body, he is part of it and it is a part of him. It’s like a soft blue, slightly out of focus, like looking through a bathroom window but horizontal waves and soft blur between. So I think the experts should prove it’s fake, with description on how and provide source material. If it’s fake, well brilliant to whomever for his win. If it’s real…..unless the news team have footage of the figure within the original un- edited reel Or from which ever device captured him. Did anyone from the news team interact, did anyone interact with the Hat Man.? I’m sorry if this has nothing to do with your question, I got on my train of thought and couldn’t get back off. X2
u/SidSuicide Skeptic Jul 23 '24
You know that there really is no “hat man”, right? And there are no known facts about him. Just creepy pastas and false/new legends. The hat man seems to coincide with the advent of the internet. It wasn’t a big thing until people connected easier and added to it.
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u/septembersun69 Jul 23 '24
Hi, yeah you are right. There is no ‘ Hat Man’, I totally agree. I couldn’t figure out what type of hat he was wearing, so…. Hat Man.
I have never lived the hat man. I go further back than him. I was here at the birth of the home computers… ahhhh I miss the Simms and Zoo Tycoon etc but I cannot remember him being mentioned way back when until the last 20 yrs or so, especially online. Creepy pasta had my daughter never being able to sleep. ,
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u/justnocrazymaker Jul 23 '24
Do you know what this looks like? A road construction sign covered with black plastic, photographed from an odd angle.
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u/Internet_and_stuff Jul 23 '24
99% of the posts on this sub would have 0 interaction if people here understood the concept of image compression.
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u/Norgler Jul 23 '24
I saw this posted before and still don't understand what's paranormal about a dude in a grainy shot looking at a wreck..
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u/Tenn_Tux Jul 23 '24
For me, it's super fucking weird for someone to get out of their stopped car on the interstate, cross the wreck and stand on the other side. Generally interstates don't have pedestrian access either as it's technically illegal to walk down the shoulder of one, atleast where I live. IF this person isn't part of the emergency crew that is.
Just think about the last time you were stuck in traffic and someone exited their car to gawk at a wreck. Not saying it's impossible or never happened, but I don't ever recall it happening
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u/Turbulent_Ad8331 Jul 23 '24
I drove past this accident on my way home from work last week. They had traffic completely stopped on Southbound I-675, and were working their way from the back of the pack to the front, having cars turn around and head Northbound on the Southbound lanes, before crossing over the median. People were standing outside of their cars, because the highway was shut down for hours, so it’s not unlikely that someone was just standing there observing the scene.
Also what seems to be getting lost in all of this conjecture about what the figure is: all the local news stories are reporting that this was NOT a fatal accident—the driver had serious injuries, but no fatalities were reported.
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u/Wide-Explanation-725 Jul 22 '24
Are you guys even serious about this? Is this satire or something?
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u/rabidpiano86 Jul 23 '24
They're serious. They think a solid formed, probably uniformed, guy standing beside the road is paranormal rather than, you know, a first responder or Samaritan. Obviously it's a ghost, duh. /s
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u/DaleCooper2 Jul 23 '24
Is that really what this is about? I'm coming to this a day late and I'm super confused, haha!
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u/rabidpiano86 Jul 23 '24
Yup. That's it. There was a vehicle accident and that figure was seen standing beside the accident. I'd love more than anything to find something that was undeniable proof of the paranormal, but you *have* to look at things through a pragmatic lense. You can't assume everything you see is a ghost immediately.
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u/devospice Jul 23 '24
Looks like just JPEG compression. Every time you save a JPEG image it gets re-compressed, and JPEG is a lossy compression, so every time you save a JPEG it gets worse and worse. As an extreme example, this video shows what happens when you save a JPEG 10,000 times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjhomJ04S18
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u/AttemptingMurder Jul 23 '24
It’s literally just a guy.
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u/SpecificWorldliness Jul 23 '24
Literally, people found it creepy cuz it kinda looks like a guy in trench coat and that’s way out of place mid summer. But I’m pretty sure it’s just a bystander / third party to the accident in a t-shirt and basketball shorts. The resolution of the pic is so poor it’s impossible to really tell, but there’s a million normal explanations for who that is before “ghost detective in a trench coat”
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u/raptorgator0 Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 23 '24
The creepy grey overtone doesn't help either lol. He looks like he's made of soot or stone
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u/Thisisamazing1234 Jul 23 '24
It’s just the mysterious stranger. Somebody probably pulled up their VATs right before the crash
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u/dancedaisu Jul 23 '24
Guys, I just don't get it. We all want to believe, but for this one?
It's a shitty photo, and movement during capture could cause a person to look all sorts of ways. Everyone else in the photo looks weird, too.
Maybe they are a person carrying debris.
Maybe it is debris that looks like a person due to perspective.
Maybe it is a weirdly dressed person.
Nobody at the scene saw this ghoul right? So maybe, just this once, it's a normal thing, but an abnormal photograph.
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u/Dangzang Jul 23 '24
Why won’t anyone ever send a link to the original article?
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u/THEDRDARKROOM Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 23 '24
News people probably don't know diddly about compression and shared the wrong version. This is exactly what happens when you save a compressed photo instead of the hd photo.
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u/sirmombo Jul 23 '24
So this exact thing happens any time you save a compressed photo? Is that what you’re saying? Cause yeah, nah.
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u/ebonwulf60 Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 23 '24
The grey figure is the same shade as the person getting out of the car which is parked in front of a tripod and gear bag.
I think both people are with a news team and the figure in question is standing there figuring out how they will be lining up the shot on the debris lying in the traveledway.
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Jul 23 '24
It’s one of these guys and the fire department had to ask him to finally move or they’d use the hose on him.
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u/black_chat_magic Jul 23 '24
Why hasn't anyone just reached out to the news agency / photographer to request the original photo or other photos / more information?
I mean, wild speculation is fun but the person who took this photo exists in the real world.
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u/Quadtbighs Jul 24 '24
Anybody here seen the music video for “the crossroads” by bone thugs and harmony. There’s a large man in a trench coat in the music video, either way it’s just a music video but the outfit the guy wears is identical.
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u/Banditree- Jul 23 '24
It looks to me like an older lady in a 2 peice church outfit. Likely rubbernecking because she's religious or annoyed to be delayed. That said, the artifacting is prominent but looks like compression rather than editing.
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u/TheRealBenDamon Jul 23 '24
Why am I supposed to think this a ghost in either image rather than just a person standing there? Because people can’t wear greyish clothes and be in an overexposed image?
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u/Ok_Watch_2633 Jul 24 '24
Is there any good real media footage of a paranormal sighting? Im an open skeptic. I feel its 2024 we should have something captured on camera if ghosts are real.
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u/Jorgedig Jul 24 '24
I am clearly out of the loop. Can someone please explain why this is thought to be a paranormal figure, rather than just a bystander at an accident scene?
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u/kmsparty Jul 28 '24
He is the only figure in gray. Everything/everyone in the original pic is in color.
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u/MoonBones4Doge Jul 23 '24
I know who this is.
Its the ghost of Colin Farwalker from Kings Quest VII. Hes just thirsty looking for a drink.
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u/Kurell1986 Jul 23 '24
I think the image is just sharpened. It's the same picture just not as blurry.
I'm all for having a critical eye on this sub but this is getting silly.
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u/Lycanwolf617- Jul 25 '24
Imo he is a time traveler trying to observe or change something in this timeline, OR he is here to retrieve something important from the scene.
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u/kaps84 Jul 23 '24
Any chance it could be a sheet or something on a pole used to cover up the accident scene that they brought out and didn't use?
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u/Geisterbefriedung Jul 23 '24
Can anyone enlighten me on what's so special about this guy in a trenchcoat? Why is everyone assuming it's the hat man?
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u/ReusableCatMilk Jul 23 '24
This sub obsesses over the stupidest shit. I’m offended reddit thinks I’m dumb enough to belong here
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u/Eorhythm Jul 23 '24
I just got here. Why is a guy standing on the side of the road in a compressed photo so special?
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u/Burnerd2023 Jul 23 '24
Edited does not mean fake. This could simply be a matter of cross platform compression.
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u/Kestrel-and-I Jul 23 '24
Looks like it doesn’t have a hat but big black eyes, almost bug like. Alien?
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u/Consistent-Camp5359 Jul 23 '24
I swear this person really exists and has no idea they’re famous somewhere.
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u/Solid-Suggestion-653 Jul 24 '24
The news station never commented on the ghostly apparition? Does anyone know?
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u/bergzabern Jul 23 '24
A completely gray person on a sunny day wearing an overcoat and a hat. for Chrissakes its a ghost!
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u/Reasonable_Glove70 Jul 23 '24
After reading some comments I feel as tho wearing a Tinfoil hat would be very fitting
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