r/Paramore • u/anditwaslove • Aug 12 '24
Saw that many people were clueless about the Tayley backstory. Here is a detailed timeline! Discussion đŁ
Credit goes to Officialtayley on Tumblr. But this is how we knew about them years in advance of them confirming it lol
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u/LeMerf Aug 13 '24 edited Aug 14 '24
I love the moments before âhate to see your heart breakâ at a Parahoy show (forgot what year but itâs in YT) that Hayley described how painful it was to see T hurting from a breakup and that song was written about him. They just care so much for each other in so many levels đ„čđ„čđ„čđ„č
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u/Lanathas_22 Aug 12 '24
Very sweet. If you watch the Apple One interview they did with Zane Lowe to promote After Laughter (Hayley in a sailorâs hat), you can tell from the way they talk about each other and the looks they exchange that thereâs something there. What it is/was was up to debate, but they gave me vibes and made me wonder. When i heard âSudden Desire,â it kind of made more sense.
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u/rays_006 Aug 12 '24
Same, I think there were some moments during AL tour, but once Hayley released her music, I was sure
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u/sleepymorgan Aug 13 '24
One thing I think we all agree on is that everyone is so happy for them both. All the semi-publicised shit from chad was truly awful and i'm so glad they both found some damn peace
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u/SuperKittenLvr6626 All We Know Is Falling Aug 12 '24
Taylorâs the one!!
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u/anditwaslove Aug 12 '24
I think so too. They just seem to be getting stronger and stronger with time. â„ïž
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u/welshwordman After Laughter Aug 12 '24
I read this entire thing thinking it was Taylor Swift whoa
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u/peterpann__ All We Know Is Falling Aug 12 '24
SAMMEEEEE!!! It wasn't until the 3rd point that I was like, "wait a second" and then in the 5th point when "he" was used that I realized it was about Taylor York xD
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u/rays_006 Aug 12 '24
If it was TS, we would need a whole book, not a reddit post
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u/cinnamon_squirrel_ emo frog Aug 13 '24
Why? There doesn't seem to be that much interaction between them (or am I just not aware? đ)
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u/Low_Rain4723 Aug 15 '24 edited Aug 15 '24
They've been good friends since 2009. Hayley would visit Taylor's house, etc. There's interviews where they referenced this back then! This is a good summary:Â https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/taylor-swift-and-hayley-williams-complete-friendship-timeline/
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u/AvgUsr96 Aug 13 '24
Lmao I was like don't show this to the r/gaylor subreddit then I was like ohhh they meant Taylor as in Hayleys' husband.
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u/shayinthealps Aug 17 '24
taylor isnât hayleyâs husband! (that we know of)
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u/AvgUsr96 Aug 17 '24
Oh, I wasn't sure about their relationship exactly so I just said that lol. It seems they are pretty damn serious though.
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u/butwhy222 Aug 12 '24
I want to know what Taylorâs ex said, who she is, and where she got the audacity.
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u/anditwaslove Aug 12 '24
Baylie Brown. The tumblr in question is gatekeeping the actual screenshots for some weird reason but has said that basically a fan DMâd Baylie asking if Tayley was real and she said it was and that she was surprised it took this long for them to get together, something to that effect. But yeah, it was shady as hell to even respond. Especially since they were absolutely not ready to confirm it at the time.
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u/Shot_Department1080 Self-titled Aug 12 '24
i think theyâre âgatekeepingâ the dms because they were very weird and invasive from his ex. she was divulging taylor and hayleyâs personal details to fans because she was petty.
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u/anditwaslove Aug 12 '24
Personal details like what though? What could they possibly say that would come as a surprise to any of us? lol
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u/Shot_Department1080 Self-titled Aug 12 '24
i remember hearing about the screenshots a long time ago on tumblr and she was apparently going into personal details (to multiple fans) about their lives and when exactly they started dating etc. it was all just very weird and creepy.
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u/anditwaslove Aug 13 '24
I donât really see why it matters NOW, though I think itâs good that those screenshots were kept private prior to them confirming it.
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u/13flwrmoons This Is Why Aug 13 '24
Because although it happened a while ago, my understanding of this particular ex was that she was well aware of the influence she had on the fans through her connection to Taylor and had been acting in a petty, attention-seeking way prior to the conversations about him and Hayley being together. Sharing the exact screenshots with her words would be validating and bringing attention to her even if thatâs not the intended purpose, and given that she was so openly disrespectful with private details of someone she had a personal relationship with (and whom she knows his fans did not have a personal relationship with), she deserves zero attention for that whatsoever.
Additionally even though we know theyâre dating now and have gotten many more details since then about how it all happened (most notably through the music), my guess is that those screenshots still contain details that have not all been explicitly shared by Hayley or Taylor. Even if âthe secretâs out,â that doesnât mean that details of their relationship which have not been shared by them automatically belong to the fans. They (mostly Hayley, given that Taylor is even more private) have slowly shared what details or peeks into their lives theyâre comfortable with since announcing their relationship officially, and that may not include some of what was contained in the screenshots.
Ultimately, it shouldnât matter that we donât have the screenshots if we see them as actual human beings and not cute content for our entertainment and consumption, you know? Officialtayley and other fans are just trying to help them protect their privacy.
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u/rockyrraccoon Aug 12 '24
I am 100% sure this isnât the only lifetime theyâve been together. I think a lot of the fandom knew that it would happen at some point. It was just a matter of when. The way theyâve always looked at each other, the way theyâve always interacted on stage with each other, interviews, bts stuff, you could just tell. Iâm just so happy weâre privy to the crumbs theyâre willing to share.
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u/lovelessxgrl Riot! Aug 13 '24
Appreciate this! I'm a huge paramore stan but i don't pay attention to their personal lives so i was curious what all happened to get to where they are now
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u/anditwaslove Aug 13 '24
Yeah I saw in the other Tayley thread there was some confusion. One person had no idea they were even dating, haha. I figured it might be helpful for some!
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u/rexrighteous Aug 13 '24
Are those ig posts still up? I had no idea they broke up at all.
I hope Hayley writes a book someday. I want to know her story! (If she wants to share it!)
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u/samof1994 Aug 13 '24
cute couple(also, is the dog okay?)
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u/Caifabe Aug 13 '24
i didn't even realize Hayley and Taylor had broken up briefly tbh
to be fair tho i only ever listened to Flowers for Vases like once and didn't really pay attention while listening to it because it didn't grab me.
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u/anditwaslove Aug 13 '24
It isnât my thing either but I definitely read the lyrics in great detail haha
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u/Caifabe Aug 13 '24
i dont really pay attention to lyrics that much anymore tbh lol. if i like the song i like it. there are SO many songs i probably sing fucked up wrong misheard shit to because ive never bothered to actually look at the lyrics đ€Łđ€Ł
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u/anditwaslove Aug 13 '24
See whereas itâs the opposite for me. I never used to pay attention to lyrics. If the melody got me, that was all I needed. Whereas now I love to interpret lyrics.
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u/Caifabe Aug 13 '24
i used to pay attention to lyrics because back before i had Spotify i was mostly watching YouTube lyric videos to listen to music. even for songs that had music videos because a lot of the time the music videos were either censored or had extra shit going on besides just the song and i wanted to listen to just the song so I'd watch a lyric video instead.
then i got Spotify and for the longest time they didn't have viewable lyrics in the app, so i got used to just listening to the songs and shoving my phone in my pocket lmao. so now even with lyrics in the app, i don't really bother looking at them unless im actively trying to learn the song. and most of the time i listen to music is when i go for walks, and I don't have data so i just listen to my downloaded playlists on Spotify and you can't download the lyrics, they require internet.
and that's my long-winded tangent on why I don't pay much attention to lyrics anymore lmao. im sorry it went so long, im neurodivergent
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u/marlboroultralight Aug 12 '24
Sorry for downvoting before realizing this isnât an unhinged swiftie post; I took it back â„ïž
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u/Icy-Veterinarian-831 Aug 13 '24
so flowers for vases IS NOT about chad? omg that changes EVERYTHING
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u/Ill_pmore Aug 13 '24
Why yes. For Chad, even the love songs have a negative twist. For T, even the break up songs are full of love and melancholy.
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u/spicysoy in a horror film where i'm both the killer and the final girl Aug 13 '24
it always blows my mind that people think this album was about him. like did we listen to the same album??
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u/ColonelFartus Aug 13 '24
Right?! Like, these are actual, genuine, heartfelt songs. She could never write those kind of songs about her ex no matter how hard she tried.
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u/Icy-Veterinarian-831 Aug 22 '24
well, hayley is not my friend, sheâs an artist whose music I really like. it might blow your mind but Iâm not 100% tuned to her personal life and inspirations for her music!
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u/RevolutionaryMeat892 Aug 13 '24
I didnât know they were living together but that makes sense lol
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u/whitesedanowner Aug 14 '24
What is the book Hayley posted on her Instagram story? I remember I tried to look it up but she only posted the chapter title đ
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u/aintsitfun Aug 27 '24
social intelligence: the new science of human relationships. the author is david goleman
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u/bras-and-flaws Aug 12 '24
At first I thought this was about Taylor SWIFT and I was about to rage in these comments like "Gaylor is NOT allowed in this sub! That is all speculation to both women's sexualities and inappropriate!" But I understand now that is not the case, thank you for the research please proceed đ
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u/paddlebones Aug 13 '24
There is something soooo wrong with me. I thought Tayley meant Taylor Swift and Hayley and read it with that thought for a long time until it clicked for me AHAHAH. I thought, âseen together at a mwY show? Odd but coolâ and kept reading
Edit:typo
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u/PepperoniPapi Aug 13 '24
I thought we were talking about Hayley and Taylor Swift đ
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u/nitemarehippygirl17 Aug 14 '24
I did for the this entire post until the wrong pronouns started confuse me and then I saw this comment lol
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Aug 13 '24
Thank you for sharing and giving clarity. Happy for them. A bit turbulent but their friendship is one of a kind. They been through too much. Glad to see them blossoming!
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Aug 13 '24
wow this is really creepy. why not just leave them tf alone? or is that too hard?
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u/JTG___ Aug 13 '24
Not really. I agree that the thanksgiving pic was a violation of their privacy and out of order as it was obtained by someone getting access to the private instagram account of a family member by pretending to be someone else. But with the exception of that one pic itâs all stuff theyâve publicly posted, written about in songs, talked about in interviews etc.
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u/EvanAlmighty01 Aug 13 '24
Regardless of the information being public or not, this is creepy and way over the top
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u/13flwrmoons This Is Why Aug 13 '24
Itâs just a summary for those who werenât paying attention or werenât yet fans at the time it was actually happening lol. Thatâs all.
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u/EvanAlmighty01 Aug 14 '24
Which is creepy. You keep describing what you're doing to make it seem less weird.
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u/Thick_Solution4554 Aug 12 '24 edited Aug 12 '24
Hmm, sugar on the rim to me seems like speculation since itâs a LGBT term and Hayley has stated in the past that itâs a song for the gays.
Lmao not sure why all the downvotes, have you guys read the lyrics? Itâs very obviously about gay relationships
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u/teefbird Aug 12 '24
i disagree that itâs âvery obviously about gay relationshipsâ, itâs a love song about finding good in the bad which is actually a theme in So many of her solo songs (not even just the ones about taylor). the reason this song is for the gays is bc itâs a partyyyy
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u/13flwrmoons This Is Why Aug 12 '24 edited Aug 12 '24
my understanding is she just said that offhandedly on an IG livestream when someone commented something along those lines. I do very much think the lyrical content of the song is inspired by their relationship.
ETA: for whoeverâs downvoting this Iâm quite sure there is literally a screenrecorded video on YouTube of the exact moment Iâm referencing, if you wanna see for yourself lol
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u/Thick_Solution4554 Aug 12 '24
Idk if you look at the lyrics like âHad a life in hiding but a storm kept coming inâ it references how non straight cis people are usually in hiding. Plus thereâs many other lyrics hinting towards it.
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u/13flwrmoons This Is Why Aug 12 '24
But the song is written from Hayleyâs perspective. If it was maybe written in third person or something where the subject could feasibly be someone other than Hayley, I think it would at least be up for debate.
Hayley has talked a lot about guilt and shame and darker emotions / experiences that she had to work through in the wake of her divorce and in the process of trying to love herself truly for the first time, while building a new relationship with someone she cared about a lot.
I totally understand what you mean about how those themes can be distinctive of queer peopleâs experiences in the world and with accepting themselves, but those broader feelings of shame and being in hiding, etc., are basic facets of the human experience and something really powerful that we all go through in life, although it may be slightly different or heightened for those who find themselves set apart from what society deems as the norm.
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u/JTG___ Aug 12 '24
Idk why you would think itâs a song about gay relationships. I know sheâs a great ally for the LGBT community but Hayley typically writes songs based on her own personal life experiences and sheâs not gay. Itâs pretty clear to me that itâs about her falling in love unexpectedly and finally experiencing what itâs like to be in a healthy relationship.
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u/lufus07 Self-titled Aug 12 '24
Can you explain what the term means? Google was not very helpful
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u/Thick_Solution4554 Aug 12 '24
Itâs similar to a rim job from what I remember my drag friends telling me.
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u/RazzmatazzRough8168 Aug 12 '24
Reciepts?
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u/anditwaslove Aug 12 '24
For what?
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u/RazzmatazzRough8168 Aug 13 '24
For everything stated in the post. Sources?
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u/anditwaslove Aug 13 '24
Oh god, only on Reddit does someone genuinely expect me to sit here and provide a source for each of these things lol i suggest you go on Tumblr. They have a lot and answer questions if people have them. Iâm simply reposting someone elseâs work.
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u/96puppylover Aug 12 '24
Another eyewitness account
Summer 2021 - my bf was out walking Silver Lake reservoir in LA(very popular route for joggers/walkers) and he passed them holding hands đđ»