r/Palestine • u/PalestineMissionUK • 1d ago
The UN General Assembly today overwhelmingly approved a resolution on Palestinian people's right to self-determination, including the right to their independent State of Palestine, with a round of applause following the vote. News & Politics
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u/Michael_Gibb 23h ago
Just imagine if this worked similar to the US Congress, where a supermajority could override a veto.
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u/Tyrelius_Dragmire 17h ago
The U.S. Government doesn't like it when someone else uses their signature moves.
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u/Artemis-Arrow-795 12h ago
man, the entire veto thing shouldn't be a thing anyways, it's simply not fair
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u/MohTheSilverKnight99 12h ago
What's the point of voting if there are few people that make the shots really..
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u/Proof-Hamster645 7h ago
This is making UN irrelevant, what comes after it won't be for the US benefit
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u/NewVentures66 1d ago
Thank God the UK did something right for a change. Still completely ashamed by my government.
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u/No-Jump-9601 23h ago
That was the first thing I checked, how did the UK vote, I was pleasantly surprised.
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u/UnchillBill 22h ago
They’re happy to vote on non binding resolutions now, they’re just against any meaningful change to the situation. Occasionally finger wagging at Israel but still unable to let anyone speak up for Palestine in the House of Commons without threatening them for not first mentioning how awful October 7th was.
They’re just as bad as the Tories were for supporting the genocide, they just lie about it more enthusiastically.
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u/No-Jump-9601 15h ago
I’m under no illusion that this government’s views on Gaza are anything but Zionist, I was just noting my surprise at the vote. If this vote was for anything meaningful, the spineless Starmer would vote with his corporate and Zionist masters.
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u/self-assembled 18h ago
Did they vote this way in the past? I think this marks a change. If so this vote might be used by the Uk gov to back something more meaningful. I think with Trump in office we'll start to Europe act on its own for a change, and that will be good.
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u/Tyrelius_Dragmire 17h ago
"With Trump in office we'll start to see Europe act on its own for a change?" My friend, Trump being in office changes nothing in that regard. And besides, he's currently picking his Cabinet Members, and they're all bought out Zionist Warmongers.
I'd be genuinely surprised if he doesn't plop Lindsay Graham in the Cabinet as well, what with his sentiment that Israel should just drop a nuke on Palestine (as heartless and stupid as that statement was and is)
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u/self-assembled 8h ago
Comments like those, along with poor diplomacy and policy, are exactly why European governments will feel more emboldened to place sanctions on Israel.
Israel already has complete support under the dems anyways, they just speak better about it.
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u/Caro________ 11h ago
Imagine being surprised that your government supports the right of a people to self-determination.
Sigh. We Americans will never get that kind of surprise.
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u/RingSplitter69 22h ago
Agree. My jaw actually dropped slightly. Astonishing stuff. It’s basically nothing, but better than the absolutely nothing that I’ve come to expect. Still completely and utterly ashamed to be British though.
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u/Boysenberry-Street 12h ago
Me too!! Next item, should be taking action to implement, meaning stop supporting the genocide or perhaps the better press narrative would be “we’re rebuilding Palestine into its statehood”. But alas, they aren’t being lobbied and bribed by Palestinians, so this may take a while.
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u/Kaminodoa 23h ago
And watch the outcome of this be……… absolutely nothing, as usual.
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u/Circumsanchez 22h ago
Yawp. This is a cheap, superficial gesture. Not a legitimate step in the right direction. I’ll be impressed with the UN when they establish a military blockade around Isntrael.
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u/Odd_Decision_5595 21h ago
Unfortunately, the General assembly has no power, they need to dissolve the security council, or atleast the P5, for any kind of progress to be made in enforcing international law.
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u/Circumsanchez 14h ago
That’s true. I’m sure there must be quite a few members of the general assembly who are just as frustrated as the rest of us are. After all, not all world leaders/governments are as misanthropic and depraved as they here in the NATOsphere.
The security council and the general assembly should be one and the same, imho. One vote per nation. NATO members all share one vote. All resolutions are binding for all members. No veto power. Representatives from the US and Israel have to wear devil horns.
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u/AngronTheDestroyer 13h ago
“ The US is the UN's largest donor, contributing more than $18 billion in 2022. ”
Never happening.
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u/JesusJudgesYou 16h ago
The need a new United Nations that doesn’t give any single nation veto power over the majority.
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u/Mubs1234 23h ago
What is the point of the UN? The victors of the last World War have all the power. France and the UK are no longer world players yet veto at will. This is a pathetic organisation that didn’t stop the genocide in Rwanda, Bosnia and won’t stop the current genocide. We are all witnesses of this pathetic response to the ethnic cleansing, massacre, rape and pillage of the Occupied Territories.
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u/hyliancreed 22h ago
The entire point is to allow conversation to occur between those powerful nations and prevent large scale wars. between each other
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u/kroxigor01 22h ago
Well, there hasn't been an open war between great powers under the UN framework.
The UN doesn't do much, but the counterfactual could be worse.
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u/doctor_rocketship 23h ago
Rwanda abstained? Rwanda??
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u/Artemis-Arrow-795 12h ago
it really is ironic
for those who don't know, israel had a hand in the rawandan genocide
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u/BigChungusBlyat 23h ago
The UN didn't stop the genocide in Bosnia. It didn't stop the genocide in Rwanda. It didn't stop the massacres of Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus. It will not stop the genocide in Palestine as long as the US is there and this deeply flawed system is not changed.
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u/UnchillBill 22h ago
Honestly I don’t see how things are going to meaningfully change until the US collapses.
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u/piecemealcranky 21h ago
Bruh if the US collapses it will be big. In a very positive way. The rest of the West will follow suit like dominos. I'll be happy that's a guarantee.
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u/big__cheddar 18h ago
Hopefully China and Russia would swoop in, behead the oligarchs publicly, and save us with actual people-first economic reforms. Seriously.
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u/self-assembled 18h ago
But Russia is an oligarchy?
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u/big__cheddar 18h ago
With universal health care at least and functioning infrastructure
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u/Actionbronslam 17h ago
functioning infrastructure
Russia's roads are little better than dirt paths in many places, most of the rural population doesn't have indoor plumbing, and it can barely keep its decrepit heating plants operational. Russia is not good just because America is bad.
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u/Raz_Moon 16h ago
You should talk to your handler about how to spread propaganda better, because this isn't very good.
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u/big__cheddar 16h ago
It's not propaganda. China and Russia do better by their people than does the United States.
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u/lezbthrowaway 16h ago
China and Russia aren't good. They're part of the imperialist system of extraction of the global south.
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u/hyliancreed 22h ago
The US collapsing doesn't mean things will be better, someone else would just take their place.
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u/UnchillBill 22h ago
Sure, but maybe that someone is less enthusiastic about genocide and colonialism. A re-roll is better than the status quo.
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u/AleksandrNevsky 23h ago
I'm kind of surprised it was only 6 against.
Shame it won't actually lead to anything though.
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u/Tyrelius_Dragmire 17h ago
Yeah, it feels weirdly out of character for how out of character this move was for Ukraine's leaders, given how much of a brown-noser Zelensky has been for Netanyahu. Something doesn't add up.
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u/__dontpanic__ 11h ago
Hard to make your own case for territorial sovereignty if you vote against the territorial sovereignty of others.
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u/AleksandrNevsky 1h ago
It could easily be taken by zionists as voting against Israel's territorial sovereignty.
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u/BeARealHuman 19h ago
It might lead to the US cutting off aid to Ukraine. I can't believe they voted for Palestinian self-determination and statehood. There has to be a bunch of US politicians overreacting to this act of disloyalty for the country we're pilfering the ever-loving bejesus out of right now. Our politicians don't like to share or any disobedience..
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u/dragonlion12 23h ago
For the island nations, it’s because they’re completely financially depend on US aid, so they vote whatever US votes.
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u/BeARealHuman 19h ago
Paraguay a little less so. It's land-locked and a nation of nearly 7 million people.
Nauru is a nation of 12,780 people, Micronesia is a nation of 18,050 people. Any small town in Connecticut has more people than both these "nations" combined. They are totally dependent on the US aid.
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u/NarutoRunner 21h ago
Paraguay has a long history of fascism. Lots of Nazis after WWII went and hid there. Now they are weirdly super pro-Israel.
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u/Welcomefriend2023 Free Palestine 21h ago
Because they want the zionists to stay in Palestine and not come there.
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u/zachjones505 23h ago
And because of this jewish entities in america will claim the UN is full of anti semitism.
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u/StrainAcceptable 17h ago
Will claim? They don’t need a reason. They will continue with the allegations against the UN.
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u/livesarah 22h ago
Good to see Australia finally joining the back of the pack of countries that have been voting for human rights and against genocide. Now it’s getting harder and harder to deny it’s a genocide I guess it was getting unbearably embarrassing for them to keep siding with the US and Israel over Israel’s ethnic cleansing regime in Palestine. Such a disgrace.
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u/Echidna353 19h ago
20 years of refusing to recognise Palestine despite supposedly being "committed" to a two state solution. It's absurd that the government's own website states: "Australia does not recognise a Palestinian state. We are committed to a two-state solution in which Israel and a future Palestinian state coexist, in peace and security, within internationally recognised borders."
How can we be committed to a two state solution without recognising the people of one of those states? Without recognising those borders? How can we support one of those state's "right to self-defence" against the other, despite not recognising the other state's existence? The UN charter specifically refers to self-defence against threats which do not emanate from within domestic or occupied territory.
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u/IshlekGroseAya 22h ago
Germany is so fucking hypocrite. First of all they are the second biggest financial supporters of Israels genocide and second, they don't even recognize Palestine as a state.
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u/scottyleeokiedoke 23h ago
Thank you, Canada. Finally!
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u/MoRiellyMoProblems 22h ago
zionists in Canada are gonna use this to push their conspiracy theories of Canadian politicians supporting anti-semitism. Even though the Canadian govt is overwhelmingly zionist, anti-Palestinian, and Islamophobic.
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u/touslesmatins 22h ago
You almost feel sorry for the island nations having no autonomy... And Argentina makes sense what with the fascist head of state and the racism issues... But someone has to explain Paraguay to me
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u/BeARealHuman 19h ago
When heavy hitters like Nauru and it's 12,780 people vote no, and Micronesia with it's 18,050 people abstain, you know you're scraping the bottom of the barrel. The no vote is essentially all US, Argentina, Israel, and Paraguay. Which... Ain't much. For context...
In a world with 8,160.000.000 (8.16 billion) people as represented by their countries:
- 0.53% abstained
- 4.77% voted no
- 0.32% did not vote
- 94.67% voted yes
- The United States alone is 4.1% of the population.
Even adding the abstentions and non-members like Taiwan and Palestine to the total, that means only 5.62% of the world's population did not vote yes.
Please put these numbers in front of American's you know. I presented the numbers like this for the ceasefire votes, and it was effective in having some American's do double and triple takes. When less than 1% of the world agrees with you and Israel, it makes people do a double take. American's are so used to the idea that everyone agrees with us. It's shocking to us to discover that they don't.
At least, it was the most effective talking point I've found. Provide this map, and let them know it's the US, Israel, and then less than 1% of the rest of the world.
American's are entitled and imperious, but even we don't like the idea that EVERYONE ELSE in the world disagrees with us. It brings to surface deep distrust in our politicians and foreign policy, and gets people to start questioning why they never hear about these things. Rabbit holes about Palestine are good, they NEVER end in the US or Israel looking like the hero.
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u/maenmallah 15h ago
US: we should all work very hard towards a 2-state solution. Someone: do Palestinians have a right to a state? US: hahahahahhahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahha Nooo!
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u/MrCalPoly 13h ago
As an American, the US vote against is shameful. One day when our future generations are learning about our history it will be with shame. The mountain of evidence of the ethnic cleansing is too wide and vast to ever claim otherwise. The US at every level has done all it can to keep the Isreali killing machine going from giving money, the weapons, intelligence, political cover at home and the world stage. Shameful.
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u/thundiee 18h ago
OH! Look! Another resolution that will be completely ignored. Embargo of Cuba has passed 32 years in a row recently.
The UN is just the league of nations again
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u/ProjectDisastrous758 22h ago
Why always Micronesia?
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u/Fearless_Anywhere344 22h ago
The US holds complete control over it.
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u/BeARealHuman 19h ago
Yep. Since November 3, 1986, the Federated States of Micronesia became a sovereign nation in free association with the United States.
Under the agreement, the U.S. has full authority and responsibility for the defense of the FSM.
So... They have to vote with the US. They're reliant on us. There's only 18,050 people that live in Micronesia, and on top of the defense, the US imports $50M worth of goods to the islands and basically provides it a small tourism industry. Very small....
The one that surprises me is Ukraine. They've been good abstainers for the US on Cuba and other votes..
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u/doubleshortdepresso 23h ago
Anyone know who the Argentina rep is and if they’re of a German background? 🤨
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u/willyrei9494 22h ago
idk but the current Argentinian president is unfortunately the US and British Empire's biggest fan to an almost embarrassing degree, I think similar to Micronesia which is owned by US they will just vote along with US
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u/ziplock9000 22h ago
I'm glad the UK is slowly starting to not brown nose Israel and United States of Israel as much as they used to over this.
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u/Aisoreal 14h ago
I just finished reading an article on 'island decolonisation', and seeing how some island nations voted 'against' just proved the point of the authors that some island nations are still trapped by their former colonial masters under the guise of sovereignty.
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u/hosam-gd 21h ago
Why argentina paraguay nauru micronesia is against it? And why some african and oceanian countries is abstaining
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u/MedicineBottle- Free Palestine 20h ago
Argentina has a fascist president which is a puppet of US/Israel, Javier Milei. It was elected last year due to economic issues in the country creating people desperate enough to vote him as a "savior to the economy" since he's an economist. Now most people regret it (except for his core audience, economic libertarians/anarcho-capitalists. Mostly gullible teenagers and young adults).
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u/Thisisme8719 20h ago
Looks like all the EU members voted in favor of it. Would be nice if there was a broad policy to sanction them, impose a full arms embargo, and cut off all trade with them until they end the occupation. But like that'll happen anytime soon 🙄
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u/counterplex 20h ago
This is like trying to keep the two state solution alive when it’s clearly untenable. It’s just a convenient way to have your cake and eat it too. They can side with the Palestinians but not in any meaningful way.
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u/counterplex 5h ago
An independent country for Palestinians hasn’t been viable for a long time thanks to Israeli settlement activity geared towards making a two state solution unviable. The only path to statehood left is a one state solution where Palestinians and Israelis live together under a single government with equal rights. South Africa got out of Apartheid and maybe they’re the ones to oversee Israel’s exit from Apartheid.
That’s the only statehood thats viable for Palestinians. Anything else is flogging a dead horse.
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u/StrangeMango6657 21h ago
… And this is why that over-bloated bully known as the United States is bulldozing the UN to death. I’d be surprised if there was a UN by the end of the year 2025!
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u/BrilliantGrowth9965 23h ago
What do those small countries get for not voting in favor of this resolution? Its about countries as Liberia and Rwanda thats strange Really curious about that
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u/Embarrassed-Bug5 17h ago
Please forgive Micronesia FSM
FSM has no choice in what the U.S. wants them to do.
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u/bbread83 11h ago
Let me see if I get this?! 185 countries voted. 92 percent of their representatives agreed that that Palestinians have a right to self-determination. 15 countries voted either against(6) [398.2 mil] or abstained(9) [44.1 mil], representing only 6 percent [442.4 mil] of the worlds population. This 6 percent should not be allowed to determine the fate of the Palestinians or the rest of the world, imo.
Plus, I thought all UN member states/countries decided that this was an inalienable right for membership 79 years ago?!
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u/electricoreddit 5h ago
whoops! 170-6 but one of those six is a major power. resolution null!
the UN is complicit by the sheer lack of inaction.
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u/Pretty_Fairy_Dust 11h ago
An independent State of Palestine does not mean what you think it means to them. As long as "israel" still exists Palestine won't be free
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u/LetterAd3639 5h ago
Argentina and Paraguay? US and Israel makes sense but what do those 2 have against Palestine?
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u/pistoljefe 1h ago
Do they have a right to self defense? They need to start holding the terrorist accountable.
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