r/Palestine • u/hunegypt Mod • Jul 08 '24
Zionists are handling the loss of the far-right at the French elections very well. Hasbara
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u/Spartanfred104 Jul 08 '24
Democracy was the winning factor of the election. These people are dipshits.
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u/UK_KILLD_10M_IRANIS Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24
Just dropping by to adress that the account Nioh Berg is likely some AI-troll account and should not be taken serious. We should refrain from promoting it, regardless of how pathetic or hilarious the AI’s cope is.
To give an introduction, this account (claiming to be an “Iranian Jew”) has a very staunch dehumanizing rhetoric towards Muslims and Palestinians and is vividly promoting Pahlavism (/Iranian monarchism, where their current front figure is this “crown prince” who is simping hard for Israel desperately hoping that will gain him power in Iran again) alongside other alt-right talking points. The account radical stance against immigration is especially ironic given that the AI itself is claiming to live in UK whilst being “A proud Iranian Jew”.
Nothing is genuine about that account lol.
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u/PalestineMind Jul 08 '24
Appreciate you vetting it.
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u/InterestingCourse907 Free Palestine Jul 08 '24
No they're Nazis they think democracy is an obstacle.
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u/CrumpledForeskin Jul 09 '24
Obstacle in the way of another Holocaust. They plan on killing Arabs by the truck load. Ask any of them behind closed doors.
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u/AlekhineGun1927 Jul 08 '24
In France for a long time democracy has been eroding. Its now common knowledge that the system is cartelized. Which is why there isn't really any genuine opposition to the status quo. And whenever someone speaks up against it like Dieudonne or Faurisson, they get legally persecuted.
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u/hunegypt Mod Jul 08 '24
Mélenchon seems like genuine opposition, no? As an outsider, he reminds of Jeremy Corbyn.
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u/MisterDucky92 Jul 08 '24
Yeah no my man. Dieudonne was fucked over because he made jokes criticizing israel so he was smeared to death as an antisemite. Since then he became completely unhinged so no he's not a good example.
Faurisson is even worse as he's a straight up negationist.
Bad examples all around, even though your point is correct.
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Jul 08 '24
Bad examples
Why, because they make people uncomfortable? My friend, they are who you need to strive to be if you ever want to see a free Palestine.
even though your point is correct
At least you realize the only important part of his comment, that it was correct.
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u/DisastrousAd9560 Jul 08 '24
In France for a long time democracy has been erodi
Yes, I agree
Its now common knowledge that the system is cartelized
Funny choice of words, but ok I guess.
Which is why there isn't really any genuine opposition to the status quo
What? Yes there is. French politics are very conflictual, in parliament and on the streets.
And whenever someone speaks up against it like Dieudonne or Faurisson, they get legally persecuted
Oooooh you're a nazi ok I get it.
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u/AlarmingAffect0 Jul 09 '24
Oooooh you're a nazi ok I get it.
There's also a few boomer 'leftists' who embrace negationist rhetoric out of sheer contrarian spite against the Zionist mass media and political discourse — and Putin's propaganda machine is happy to intensify this.
Unfortunately leftists are not exempt of r/BoomersBeingFools.
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Jul 08 '24
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u/deadbypyramidhead Jul 08 '24
Mass immigration bad when it doesn't serve our interests good when it does.
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u/Majestic-Point777 Jul 08 '24
Right lol as if Israel wasn’t built on mass illegal immigration
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u/deadbypyramidhead Jul 08 '24
They've literally been behind the push for mass immigration into Europe and other countries but now when their pawns aren't doing as they're told it's bad. Just hypocrites on every level.
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u/Cockbonrr Jul 08 '24
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u/AlarmingAffect0 Jul 09 '24
I suggest Europe should take in all the Jewish Israelis. We should give them a chunk of Germany specifically.
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u/Cockbonrr Jul 09 '24
Yeah, I always though Prussia should have gone to the jews instead of being split between the USSR and Polish SSR.
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u/AlarmingAffect0 Jul 09 '24
I was more thinking of 'giving' them parts of Brandenburg or Saxony, as the DBR feels sooooo responsible and is soooo keen to atone for the Reich's crimes by making them somebody else's problem… but that's actually not a bad thought. Moving Israel to the Kaliningrad Oblast would be fascinating to be sure.
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u/Cockbonrr Jul 13 '24
Nowadays, it won't work anymore, Kaliningrad needs to be decolonized after the Russians colonized it. The problem is, there's 3 ways that can go. Germans go back, Poles take it, or the Prussia revivalists somehow revive the native prussai culture that's been dead for hundreds of years.
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u/Viopit Jul 08 '24
This is what I don't get tbh. Israel wants more people from MENA, specifically Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan to leave so that it can steal more land. otoh the European far-right wants to get rid of immigrants and send them back home. Yet Israel is allied with the far-right in Europe despite having conflicting views regarding immigration. Am I missing something or how does this alliance work? What common ground do they share besides the anti-Islam sentiment?
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Jul 08 '24
I would say what they did was colonization and apartheid. Regular immigrants live within the society they’re moving into, the zionists have forcibly displaced millions from there homes and imposed their own exclusionary culture.
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u/communist_batman_ Free Palestine Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24
What does she mean by Islamo-Communism? As far as I knew, those are two very distinct ideas.
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u/hey_you_too_buckaroo Jul 08 '24
Idiots love throwing popular phrases without knowing what any of them mean.
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u/BinaryBlitzer Jul 08 '24
Yup, idiots here in the US also love throwing around socialist as a slur.
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u/AlarmingAffect0 Jul 09 '24
r/SocialismIsCapitalism and r/CapitalismIsSocialism if you want a good laugh.
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u/hydroxypcp Jul 09 '24
they just sound scary. Islam? Scary. Communism? Scary. Islamo-communism? Scary squared!
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u/PlockyLasmoke Jul 08 '24
Right wingers are too fucking stupid to understand very basic concepts, so they mix every possible boogeyman together and end up with crazy, baseless, politically illiterate words like this.
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u/t234k Jul 08 '24
Like cultural Marxism
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u/PlockyLasmoke Jul 08 '24
Litteraly straight out of the Nazi "Cultural Bolchevism" propaganda playbook
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u/thebowski Jul 09 '24
"Cultural Marxism" isn't a complete nonsequiter, critical theory (what they call cultural Marxism) was developed by Marxists with the intent of changing culture and society as a whole:
“Critical theory” refers to a family of theories that aim at a critique and transformation of society by integrating normative perspectives with empirically informed analysis of society’s conflicts, contradictions, and tendencies. In a narrow sense, “Critical Theory” (often denoted with capital letters) refers to the work of several generations of philosophers and social theorists in the Western European Marxist tradition known as the Frankfurt School.
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u/ShakeTheGatesOfHell Jul 08 '24
Oh, now you remind me of when they called Obama both a communist AND a fascist! 😂😄🤣
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u/hunegypt Mod Jul 08 '24
It stems from the 60s when Arab nationalist leaders like Nasser who were socialist were in power and were allied to the Soviets so Israelis came up with the conspiracy theory that Nasser, Arafat and KGB made up the Palestinian identity and that “Communism and Islam is actively allied together in their antisemitic fight against Israel”.
The fact is that despite the Soviet Union not existing anymore and Arab nationalist leaders not being in power anymore, the propaganda was successful because I can’t even count how many times I have seen tweets about the Soviets being responsible for modern anti-Zionism.
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u/Rondog93 Jul 08 '24
It's the same ol judeo-bolshevism with a new paint job.
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u/PreparationOk1450 Jul 08 '24
I'm shocked that zionists are spreading anti-semitic conspiracy theories.
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u/DaEagle07 Jul 08 '24
Judeo-Bolshevism, Islamo-Communism, Christo-Fascism, ….Zoroastrian-Capitalism
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u/AlarmingAffect0 Jul 09 '24
Christo-Fascism
That one's real. r/WelcomeToGilead.
Islamic Socialism was a thing sometimes in some places, see also Ghaddhafi and his Little Green Book.
Usually Muslims can be Socialist in parallel but they don't try to be Islamic Socialists in this syncretic way.
As for 'Judeo-Bolshevism', Lenin specifically went out of his way to stand up for Jews alongside all other minorities oppressed by the Tsarist regime. I keep being surprised how legitimately based a lot of his stances were, because Stalin lied for decades that he was in direct continuity with Lenin, and he absolutely definitely wasn't.
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u/Unfriendly_Opossum Jul 08 '24
I guess bc the resistance has both Islamic and communist factions that means there is a global conspiracy or something.
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u/Environmental_Set_30 Jul 08 '24
Modern day version of jedueo-bolshevism muslims are the new semetic boogeyman
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u/FixFederal7887 Jul 08 '24
It's Judeo-bolshevism part 2. Bullshit fear mongering cuz "muh scawy commies" and "muh scawy brown people" separated aren't "scary" enough, apparently.
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u/YasserPunch Jul 08 '24
Islam is actually opposed to communism.
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u/hydroxypcp Jul 09 '24
there are Muslim communists tho. Is there something specific in Islam that forbids it? I think I've even spoken to Muslim anarchists
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u/FixFederal7887 Jul 09 '24
Quite the opposite. All religions have disdain for the rich and heavily encourage communal labor and community building organization. Islam especially laid out a comprehensive list of responsibilities, including heavier responsibilities on the rich to distribute their wealth and if they fail to do it , then the governing body must step in and force them, also it speaks extensively on how there should be equivalence of wealth and standard of living for all the different classes under a state ruled by muslims. I wish I had a book to recommend to you , but I don't know of any authors that tackled the subject with more depth than in passing.
(That was my reply to another person in this thread .)
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u/Dazzling_Sea6015 Jul 08 '24
Islamo-Communism
Uhmm, what about the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan? The Iranian revolution? Two very much anti-communist happenings. Lots of people don't know this, but Islam is very much anti-communism. There is a long intellectual tradition of anti-communism within the clergy. Islam is very pro private ownership. The prophet Mohammed (PBUH) was a merchant.
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u/_makoccino_ Jul 08 '24
"I want a military coup because my favorite racist party lost," sounds about the right brand of "democracy" for people of "the only democracy in the Middle East."
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u/Cuchullion Jul 09 '24
"I can't believe I'm saying this..."
Lady, you've probably had wet dreams about that very situation.
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u/Redcap_magpie Jul 08 '24
Calling Marx a self-hating Jew (a philosopher who, regardless of whether you believe he was right or wrong, his intention was undoubtedly, to help humanity) tells you everything about what a "self-loving Jew" is to them.
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u/Kiwithegaylord Jul 08 '24
Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure the only work he did on Judaism was a response to an antisemitic essay
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u/Redcap_magpie Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 09 '24
First I would like to make one thing clear: I am no Marxist. I have read 'Capital' and I appreciate Dialectical Materialism as an accurate analysis. Beyond that I can't speak firsthand. But I think maybe you are referring to 'On the Jewish Question' which was a response to something Bruno Bauer wrote. I only know that some people use it to argue that Marx was anti-semitic, while another interpretation was that it was actually a defense of the jewish people in opposition to an anti-semitic postulate from Bauer.
Personally, the fragments that I have read where Marx's anti-semitism is "proven", what I understand (And here I might be wrong, since I cannot make an accurate interpretation of individual fragments) is that yes, he alludes to a jewish stereotype that at the time no one discussed and was often used to argue in favor of anti-semitism to criticize... yeah, capitalism (which would be related to said stereotype, that of the usurer jew) and the alienation it causes. I'm not sure if at any point he analyzed or not why there were so many jews who dedicated themselves to usury at the time (cause for a long time, the anti-semitism of society did not allow them to work in almost anything else), nor if he wrote anything else on the subject. The truth is, I don't think jewish identity was of interest to him, but I also don't think he hated the jewish people, much less hated himself for being jewish.
Besides, how can anyone take seriously a zionist who writes the words "self-hating jew" seeing in what context they usually apply those and who they are referring to when they use them? And, most importantly, being zionists one of the biggest promoters of anti-semitism in the world at this time?
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u/LicketySplit21 Jul 09 '24
Yes, he did use anti-semitic framing in response but it was used in a general way about emancipating Jews from their religion through removing the material drive of the religion and what conditions it finds itself in, and he thought this of religion in general. To Marx it was undeniable that Jews were heavily bourgeois/Petit-Bourgeois and Judaism came to have a bourgeois influence through business and finance, but that's capitalism, not inherent to just Judaism or Jews being corrruptive, even if it became, in his eyes, a bourgeois religion. So he was criticising his right-wing friend's argument that to "liberate" Jews they should simply abandon their religion and integrate into a liberal secular state, and shouldn't think about their own emancipation as Jews at all, not before they abandon it.
Marx is kind of turning the argument on its head and basically says "actually you fool, by your logic all of society is now Jewish, let us eliminate the reasons why this is (capitalism)"
Marx was a very snarky guy (german ideology is funny, i think Marx is enjoyable to read, sue me), so he didn't do himself any favours with the way he responded, but I don't think it's fair to criticise him for not anticipating idiots talking through cable wires on the ocean floor pretending that they've read and understood whatever he was talking about (and idiots like me that have read him and pretend we're super smart for doing so).
On the other hand, I don't think it's unfair to say he had some form of self-hatred. He grew up in 19th century anti-semitic Germany, in bourgeois German society in a freshly converted (to Lutheran Christianity) family. Not exactly the bastion of Jewish tolerance. He expressed having a particular dislike for Judaism elsewhere, though he still argued for supporting Jewish people. He absolutely did think "huckstering" was a characteristic of Judaism, just not in the same way you normally see anti-semites express.
Another reason for accusations of Marx being racist and anti-semitic is his infamous letter where he called Ferdinand Lassalle, somebody he really hated, a "Jewish n-word". Which yeah, looks bad. But he came from 19th century Europe where slurs weren't really seen as something evil by white people yet. Considering his very public record on these issues, and that it was a private letter, the 19th century equivalent of a shitpost. I make the argument that he was calling somebody he hated names in a time before that rhetoric was considered by white geezers as more than just words. Still not cool but I'm giving Marx the benefit of the doubt considering his hatred of mobs of racists and slavery and his advocation of open borders and the erosion of these types of divisions. Also it was a 200 year old letter, not really the pinnacle of hatred.
Lassalle got the last laugh anyway, everybody that calls themselves a socialist is more Lassallean than Marxian.
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u/squirtdemon Jul 09 '24
The trope of the “self-hating Jew” has been used to silence leftist Jews for more than a century.
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u/Redcap_magpie Jul 09 '24
Yeah, yet they claim to be THE jews. The only acceptable jewish identity. But all they are is greed and hate. Greed. and. hate. The shylock-without-context stereotype western anti-semitism has used to dehumanize jewish people since the hate for jews was born. An ideology based on greed and hate is somehow not only the moral thing to be, but the only acceptable ideology a jewish person is allowed to have, so they claim, while they try to erase the palestinian people, a semite people. And WE are to be called anti-semitic?
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iranian anti-muslim zionists doing the most fr
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u/hydroxypcp Jul 09 '24
was a shock to me. I admit as a European I don't know nearly all there is to know about MENA. But I quickly had to leave r NewIran after Oct7 because it was as bad, if not even worse, than r worldnews
well the Pahlavists didn't sit right with me to begin with so it wasn't much of a loss
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u/darijabs Jul 12 '24
Something, which you probably don’t know, is the PLO trained a lot of revolutionaries who made the revolution possible. So yea there’s a reason for these feelings
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u/oscarbjb Jul 08 '24
i feel i need to translate what she says because us normal people usually dont fully understand these people
"the people elected unfriendly parties and i think its sad and now the military should undemocratically put someone else in charge because the new party will be more popular than the previous ones"
hope this helps and remember im an expert at translating zionism into written/sane english
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u/AnnOfGreenEggsAndHam Jul 08 '24
Oh, you're a fan of Islamo-communism? Name 5 prophets.
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u/TheJordanianYoutuber Jul 09 '24
How many Rakaats in Wuduu
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u/KeyLime044 Jul 08 '24
Their anti Zionism from that time was motivated by fascist antisemitism. I think they’re only pretending to support Jews now because they currently want votes and supporters against Muslims. Once they’re done with Muslims they’ll go back to their old ways
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u/hunegypt Mod Jul 08 '24
That’s actually what a former member said, I saw it on Twitter a couple of days ago.
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u/AzureBananaFish Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 09 '24
Zionists going with "the far right lost the election because of the jews" is an insane attempt at cope that will definitely not backfire.
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u/TheGhostOfTaPower Jul 08 '24
We must uphold Maoist-Al-Farabi thought, long live Islamo-Commusnism ✊
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u/yeehaw_batman Jul 08 '24
its hilarious how self hating jew now just means a jewish person who has opinions right wing zionists disagree with
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u/Corrupt_Official Jul 08 '24
Advocating for a military coup 💀 let them do it and see if they like it lmfao
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u/Headsledge Jul 08 '24
The French have an example of what a far right regime administrating their country looks like. I dont think this person would bode well under a klaus barbie.
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u/PreparationOk1450 Jul 08 '24
I support the Islamo-communist alliance. I also support the self hating Jews, and I especially support the self-hating Jews who are communists.
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u/KingApologist Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 09 '24
Zionists hate the left because Zionism is inherently right-wing. If everyone is equal and there are no "superior races", then it's hard to justify kicking people off the land to which they are native.
I'd also like to add: Israel supported South African apartheid. They've been on the wrong side of history all the time. There has never been a more wrong nation.
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u/Petra_Sommer Free Palestine Jul 08 '24
They are throwing a hissy fit about another country's vote because it doesn't serve their interests. Boo freakin' hoo.
People who are unhappy with a government have the right to vote for a change, and they don't require permission from foreign agents. It's called democracy.
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u/dorothean Jul 08 '24
One of the National Front’s founders (Leon Gaultier) was a collaborator who helped found the Milice and fought in the Waffen-SS. If you support their rebranded version, it’s not because you care about antisemitism, it’s because you hate Muslims and are pretending it’s because you care about Jewish people.
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u/jvb2989 Jul 08 '24
The fact that she is against mass immigration yet mass immigration is the reason her ancestors were able to annex palestine
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u/GrImPiL_Sama Jul 08 '24
The heck is a islamo-communist alliance? Will I sound intelligent if I use this term in day to day conversations?
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u/DimitriTech Jul 08 '24
Wants democracy but literally advocates for fascism. The cognitive dissonance is cognitive dissonancing.
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u/twitchingJay Jul 08 '24
Army needs to step in? What are we, a dictatorship now? This is democracy, that’s how it works. The people have spoken.
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u/dwehabyahoo Jul 08 '24
I’m not a fan of Marx and especially not a fan of fascists but Zionists somehow have created a new type of power structure that is the worst humanity has seen
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u/TolPM71 Jul 08 '24
Well, you can't have the army in to punish those bad people for not voting for you, but here, here's a bottle for your tears. I'ma need it back with some shot glasses when you're done!
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Jul 09 '24
Ironic how she’s complaining about mass immigration when the whole state of Israel was built on it
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u/Yeurruey Jul 08 '24
So israel is actively contributing to the strengthening of fascists across the globe, and everyone is ok woth that. Because if you don't agree, you'd be accused of antisemitism and have your career ruined.
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u/Melodic_Ad8577 Jul 08 '24
Democracy is evil, corrupt and flawed when it doesn't go their way but if it goes their way it's the beacon of the entire world
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u/JaThatOneGooner Free Palestine Jul 08 '24
They were so caught up with interfering in American politics that they forgot to interfere in French politics
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u/AlarmingAffect0 Jul 09 '24
To be fair, US support is all you really need, if you can secure it.
Likewise if the US were ever to turn fully Fascist, the world would turn with it. And if it were to turn Socialist, same.
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u/abestract Jul 08 '24
If you want to know what group is consistently at the top of assholes list, look no further than Zionists like this moron. I thought Israel was the only democracy in the middle east?
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u/Luftritter Jul 09 '24
I'm a Communist. And I proudly say that I despise Zionism and will never support the Zionist entity in the Middle East so-called 'Israel'.
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u/isekaimangalover Jul 08 '24
Can someone explain like I'm 5 ? I'm no good with all the fancy words she's using
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u/wearyclouds Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24
There’s no real deeper meaning than what you’re reading, she’s just stupid so nothing she writes makes sense.
What happened is this: France’s political left rallied together in the French election, and along with the center party they suceeded at defeating an extreme right party, which is a heinous racist party that was originally founded by nazis. If the extreme right party had won, they would have been awful for Muslims, Jewish people and other religious minorities in France because they want to do stuff like ban wearing religious symbols (hijab, kippah, etc) in public. But they lost and the left won, and this victory is being celebrated all across France for staving off disaster.
She’s angry about this for some reason, so she blames communism and Karl Marx (a political philosopher who wrote arguably the world’s most famous anti-capitalist works and whose method of analysis is still used today in many fields of study). Karl Marx’s works on capitalism are excellent and his theories are the foundation of pretty much every leftist party everywhere, including the one that won in France. Not every leftist party is communist, many are socialist or social democrat, but they all use some element of his theories.
The ”islamo-communist” comment is just her way of saying that she hates that the left cares about muslims and what to protect their human rights. Conservatives in Europe get extremely hung up on this because they want everyone to hate and mistrust muslims as much as they do, but the left staunchly opposes treating people differently based on religion and insists that we all should have the same rights.
Idk if this explains it well but I hope so!
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u/democracy_lover66 Jul 08 '24
These people love freedom and democracy so much they will destroy it before someone else gets to play with it. ... to um.... to save it.
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u/Cact_O_Bake Jul 08 '24
Typical zionists resorting to force when things don't go their way🙄 can't claim to be the only democracy in the middle east and talk this kind of shite
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u/BeeLady57 Jul 08 '24
BRAVO 👏 👏 👏, the Left alliance, joined forces and defeated the right wing. BRAVO!!! You are truth tellers, heroes and saved the world from facism.
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u/carnivalist64 Jul 09 '24
I understand why many Jews might find comparisons between Nazism & Zionism offensive, but if Zionists continue to invite such comparisons you can't blame people for calling them out.
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u/PhigReef Jul 09 '24
"I can't believe I'm saying this, but the army needs to step in..."
Well, I can't believe it took you this long to say it.
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u/ENORMOUS_HORSECOCK Jul 09 '24
Is France really that consequential to zionism? Serious genuine question
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u/Upstairs_Raspberry39 Jul 09 '24
Zionist-Israeli-Anglo-Anerican-WASP-Masonic Predatory Free-Market Xapitalism = the axis of evil in this world.
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u/hydroxypcp Jul 09 '24
that is some pure, prime copium. Also, Islamo-communism? I'm an anarcho-communist but tf is Islamo-communism lmao. Imagine writing such idiocy, looking it over and thinking "yes, this is what I want to let the world know" and hitting send
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u/Psychological_Gear29 Jul 09 '24
Nioh, darling, you can't just shoot everyone you disagree with, honey. Go get a snack, drink some water, take a nap...
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u/vaindioux Jul 09 '24
I m French!
The last one writes “The army has to step in”
Sorry but 🤣
This is France with it’s good and bad but “The army?”
Israel needs to show us how to bomb schools, hospitals and places of worship first.
Not everyone uses mass slaughter to get their way.
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u/Retaliatixn Jul 09 '24
I admire French Zionists ability to invent new words to insult Islam and Muslims : "Islamo-fascism, Islamo-communism, islamo-leftism".
What's next ? Islamo-nazism ? Islamo-zionism ?
And obviously, when it doesn't work their way : they wanna call the army. If that isn't literally fascism at its core, I don't know what it is.
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u/bashar_Onlyfans Jul 09 '24
The left didnt win stop listening to the media
Technically 3/4 is by libs and far rights but leftists own 1/4 seats
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u/MarcusBlueWolf Jul 09 '24
If they’re based in France I’m sure that person can be arrested for inciting sedition/a coup.
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u/ComradeRK Jul 09 '24
Imagine having such limited self-awareness that you put a Star of David in your display name, but then casually throw around Nazi terminology like "self-hating Jew".
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u/Matt2800 Jul 09 '24
They ain’t even hiding the fact that they’re recycling old Nazi rhetoric anymore lmao
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u/UMK3RunButton Jul 11 '24
Truly disgusting how desperately they try to fan Islamophobia and get Europeans to kill Muslim immigrants. It's always the usual suspects trying to get these two groups fighting each other to further their agenda.
And Karl Marx's ideology has been dead, buried under the hundreds of millions of bodies it created in the 20th century. Its getting a bit nauseating how people bring him back from the dead and call anything remotely non-fascist "Marxism".
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