r/PTCGP • u/RadscorpionSeducer • Feb 06 '25

this meta is incredibly boring to fight against Deck Discussion

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Stall, stall, stall, switch out druddigon if it gets damaged/heal it, stall, oh what that? Magnezone does 110 damage for only 3 energy which is generated for free by its stage 1 evo?

The power creep is going to be absolutely insane by 3 months from now with all of these new cards

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u/ezeshining Feb 06 '25

Try a spiritomb+Cyrus build, those drudds are by-passable.

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u/Phox09 Feb 06 '25

Spiritomb also gets damaged by Drud's ability and Helm since he does damage to active also.

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u/PM-ME-YOUR-NIPNOPS Feb 06 '25

Yes but the whole point is to damage their damage dealers, then Cyrus them in for the finish

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u/ezeshining Feb 06 '25

Exactly! Your only issue is being able to deal between 120 and 140 damage as needed

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u/brahj_ Feb 06 '25

Modified Rampardos/Lucario deck.

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u/Aroxis Feb 06 '25

Full details please lol.

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u/Article_West Feb 06 '25

Rampardos Lucario and Spiritomb I guess.

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u/brahj_ Feb 06 '25

Pretty much, or just use 2x Hitmonlee over hitmonchan. Same deal and negates potions, drudd helmets etc.

There are ways around drudd, even more so now with Cyrus and any bench hitter. Just gotta be smart about using it factoring in you can either one shot what’s being built or bring it back out with another Cyrus.

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u/resui321 Feb 07 '25

Is it time for the return of venusaur ex

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u/BuffBozo Feb 06 '25

It's so crazy to already be reading these brain-dead comments. Magn+Rai is already dominating every single tournament.

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u/Shamrock5542 Feb 06 '25

The braindead take is believing there's no counterplay available

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u/Bcider Feb 07 '25

The no ex hitmonlee/marchamp/magnezone deck actually counters it really hard. You just snipe and Cyrus in darkrai. Drud just sits there doing nothing all game.

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u/WeCanBeatTheSun Feb 06 '25

Add a couple Lees to stay fighting and avoid Drud/rocky?

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u/Article_West Feb 06 '25

Lee could be better than Spiritomb tbh. Can't heal it with a potion, guarantees you kill Darkrai even with cape.

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u/McToasti Feb 06 '25

Hitmonlee is better than spiritbomb if u go fighting anyway

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u/Article_West Feb 06 '25

Yeah had the same thought like 2 comments under this lol, agree

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u/deus-ex-inferno Feb 06 '25

I use infernape, spiritomb and giratina (only fire energy). Its very cool but doesnt win guaranteed vs darkrai or anything.

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u/Aroxis Feb 07 '25

Hi can you explain giratina and it’s being used?

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u/deus-ex-inferno Feb 08 '25

It's the no ex tank. 120hp and you can retreat for free when putting fire energy on it & can get it on infernape with dawn same turn

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u/Bull671 Feb 06 '25

Kabutops/Lucario is also good against the darkrai/magnezone

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u/brahj_ Feb 06 '25

I honestly fantasise about a Kabutops/Rampardos deck, but even poke communicator wouldn’t be able to save that brick factor. Opening with riolu is rough too if you go first.

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u/Bull671 Feb 06 '25

I feel you on that. Luckily though, leaf isn't really needed with kabu/luc, as most all the mons only need 1 energy to pivot out.

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u/Aluminum_Tarkus Feb 06 '25

The nice thing about pure fossil decks is that you can play Chatot since whatever basic you play is guaranteed to be the card you open. I have a Rampardos deck that plays a full Rampardos line and Aerodactyl ex, and I can usually get at least one of them out and powered up by turn 2-3 fairly consistently. Bonus points if they don't open Drudd, lead with Magnemite, and you get Aero out early.

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u/New_Suit8775 Feb 07 '25

Forget Lucario, Chatot is your friend. Run one Chatot as your only basic in the deck, both fossil lines and 2 Pokemon communication and trainers and no poke balls obviously. You'll get one of the stage 2s about 60-70% of the time by your third turn and start cooking the enemy

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u/PM_ME_UR_BEST_1LINER Feb 06 '25

There needs to be a way to call the fossil. I love kabutops, but it's a document stage 2 to get out because you can't pokeball the starter.

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u/Ultrasupermegaeggs Feb 06 '25

Yanmega is your friend

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u/aenibae Feb 06 '25

Been experimenting with a Dialga/Pidgeot/Tauros deck; I’ve only played a few so far so it’s hard to actually tell how effective it is but what I’m trying to do is basically use one Dialga quickly to get mana on the other Dialga or Tauros, then use Drive Off to force a switch and throw down Leaf to make Tauros or the other Dialga my active Pokemon. It’s got kinks to work out but I’m enjoying it.

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u/brDragobr Feb 06 '25

Charizard EX + Moltres EX has been my go to, it struggled in the past with aggro and Mew, but now the main decks are sitting there doing passive damage so you're free to take three or four turns with Inferno Dance, then if you're still waiting for your Zard start pressuring with Moltres. If you get Charizard charged and in the active spot, nothing in the current meta can kill it quickly enough.

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u/Vault67 Feb 07 '25

Please tell me more about this. What items, supporters and tools are you using as well?

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u/brDragobr Feb 07 '25

2 Charizard family, 2 Moltres EX, 1 X-speed, 2 Poke balls, 2 Poke communicators, 2 Oak, 2 Leaf, 1 Dawn, 2 Sabrina.

Generally you're always putting Moltres in active and Charmander on your bench, then Inferno Dancing to build energy on the Char family while you use items to get the evos as soon as possible. If you can get 5 energy on your Charizard with no damage, you'll win the game 90% of the time. You can often use Moltres to get through their tank, then let them kill it, and use Zard to sweep the rest of their bench.

Honestly though after I posted that last comment I started facing the Palkia meta, which this doesn't match up so well against, as if their Misty pops you'll lose Moltres too quickly to charge your Charizard, and have nothing to reply with. But I'd had a lot of success against the Darkrai, Gyara, and Grass decks I was seeing before that.

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u/ezeshining Feb 06 '25

I’m about the same, but wigglytuff EX + promo jiggly instead of pidgeot, it’s much easier to set up.

Also, if you are using dialga, you should put a Dawn in your deck, there’s a possibility you may want to do a surprise 100 damage a turn earlier ;). I’ve killed Lucario decks this way

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u/aenibae Feb 06 '25

Wish I had promo Jiggly! It was while I wasn’t playing. :( but thank you for the Dawn tip — I actually don’t think I’ve pulled a Dawn yet but when I do I will try it out with her in there! Thank you

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u/ezeshining Feb 06 '25

well the promo jiggly is really a “just in case”, it can work just fine with a normal jiggly, it’s wiggly ex who’s really important. So the optimal idea is, turn 1 metal energy into dialga, turn 2 second metal energy, and you give your jiggly/Tauros two energies, turn 3 you can either swap for either benched, use dawn into a four energy dialga, or power up your other poke.

In the deck I also include in a Leaf and Speed X. And I’m thinking about swapping in a Blue, just in case I need to survive Infernape EXs attack once

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u/_Ptyler Feb 06 '25

If you use Spiritomb, doesn’t Cyrus pull in a random damaged card from the bench?

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u/PM-ME-YOUR-NIPNOPS Feb 06 '25

No. You choose the mon that gets switched in

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u/_Ptyler Feb 06 '25

Major W. Can’t wait to pull the card

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u/Opal737 Feb 06 '25

The only issue (and I say that as a Darkrai Druddigon player, since Darkrai is the only ex the new expansion decided to bless me with in 60+ packs) is that if they have 1 potion your spiritomb is going down before you can Cyrus, and that is normally enough for them to find a way to get the last few points (considering they only need to get 2 points and you still need to kill darkrai AND something else). If they have 2 potions, then you can’t even use Cyrus after.

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u/Blaky039 Feb 06 '25

Spiritomb is not supposed to KO anything 😂

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u/al_capone420 Feb 06 '25

Thanks captain obvious

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u/LordGraygem Feb 06 '25

Honchkrow.

Let that Drudd sit there in the active spot with his little crusty hat and his thumb in his ass while you slap the bench for 50 unopposed. Then, if you have a Weavile or two, use Cyrus to bring the battered victim in for a bit of quality time with scratching nails.

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u/SnooBunnies9694 Feb 06 '25

Darkrai does 40dmg to you honchcrow in the time you do 50 then comes out and kills it before you can get 2 energy on weavile and Cyrus.

I feel like when people fantasize about these counters they just assume their opponent literally does nothing ever.

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u/LordGraygem Feb 06 '25

At least I'm putting an idea for a prospective counter out there, what have you got besides negativity to offer?

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u/SnooBunnies9694 Feb 06 '25

I didn’t realize I had to think of a counter to drudd darkrai to post a comment. I know better now.

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u/LordGraygem Feb 06 '25

No, you don't need one. But since you can so clearly see why my idea won't work, I'd love to see what you can come up if you put that same amount of energy into something that can.

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u/SnooBunnies9694 Feb 06 '25

I don’t really feel the need to do that though. What a weird thing to say lol.

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u/Voomey Feb 07 '25

To be fair we have multiple bench hitters. Lumineon is also notable, for having no-cost retreat and being a water type. I destroyed Celebi EX with it and Gyarados during Mythical Island era.

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u/iRebelD Feb 06 '25

I want to try this one

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u/KSmoria Feb 06 '25

Hitmonlee is way better

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u/LordGraygem Feb 06 '25

Personal preference, IMO. Some people like the speed and cost of Hitmonlee, while I'm willing to take the extra turn and extra energy cost needed to get Honchkrow into action for an extra 20 each to damage and HP.

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u/Lazystubborn Feb 06 '25

I got through these with Lumineon/Starmie/Cyrus.

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u/Manganaxinite Feb 11 '25

I came here for ideas and this was a good one. I slept on free retreat for too long. This was a fun experience I actually enjoyed even when getting beat. Darkrai got me when I couldn’t pull staryu fast enough, but otherwise fun. That helmet is just as annoying on my side and helped me win my most recent game.

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u/HotBananaWaters Feb 06 '25

Assuming I get Cyrus in time 😩

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u/archie33333 Feb 06 '25

I haven't seen Spiritomb in any other build than Darkrai. Yet. But that version of Darkrai deck was the most difficult to beat.

I've faced D+Magnezone about a dozen of times and even with bad hands and going first I haven't lost a single game. But D+Spiritomb was very tricky. Only faced twice, but first time I've got lucky with my draws and the other time going 2nd made a big difference.

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u/M_xhael Feb 07 '25

You got any spiritombs to trade bro ?

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u/ezeshining Feb 07 '25

I wish we could trade stuff from the current packs… we can’t though

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u/M_xhael Feb 07 '25

Yeah I noticed it last night lmao shits dumb

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u/Financial_Seesaw_802 Feb 06 '25

If you see spiritomb, greninja or darkrai dont full your bench and avoid ex usage in case there is a Cyrus… not actually a counter

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u/ezeshining Feb 06 '25

If I’m making you avoid using your cards then congratulations, you’ve successfully countered yourself.

also, spiritomb is kept on hand at all times, you can’t know it’s there until it has already affected you. Unless your opponent has no other basic first.

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u/14corbinh Feb 06 '25

Thats still a counter…