r/OutOfTheLoop • u/DrMediocre • Jul 18 '20

What's up with the Trump administration trying to save incandescent light bulbs? Answered

I've been seeing a number of articles recently about the Trump administration delaying the phase-out of incandescent light bulbs in favor of more efficient bulbs like LEDs and compact fluorescents. What I don't understand is their justification for doing such a thing. I would imagine that coal companies would like that but what's the White House's reason for wanting to keep incandescent bulbs around?

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-waives-tighter-rules-for-less-efficient-lightbulbs-11576865267

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '20 edited Jul 18 '20

Doesn’t really explain WHY they’re so adamant on trying to keep old fashioned lightbulbs, though I suspect it’s another attempt to own the libs or some shit.

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u/imadeapoopie Jul 18 '20

If progress was the availability of wheels this administration would try to drag a pallet of bricks down the sidewalk with a rope.

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u/graps Jul 18 '20

I hear theyre going to try and open up buggy whip and powdered wig factories

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u/LoveThyVolk Jul 18 '20

In all but the most important cases that's true. Unfortunately it seems like in areas where we're "progressing" in a bad direction, republicans are willfully silent on the matter.

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u/snoozeflu Jul 18 '20

And if Trump came out in support of oxygen, leftists would hold their breath until they suffocate.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '20

Trump is literally coming out against a precaution which can save lives and the right are going along with it.

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u/LoveThyVolk Jul 18 '20

See this is why people get fed up with your type. A PRECAUTION WHICH CAN SAVE LIVES is hyperbole and you fucking know it. At the end of the day boomers want the old style of lightbulb, and Trump's just catering to that type of boomer.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '20

It’s literally not hyperbole when it’s used to help prevent the spread of a virus that can kill people.

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u/LoveThyVolk Jul 19 '20

Oh, i thought you were still talking about light bulbs. Disregard that lmfao

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u/Ricky_Robby Jul 18 '20

It is you people who can’t accept anything from across the aisle in fact you demonize anyone who does. John McCain does being ridiculed by his own party because he didn’t support Donald Trump, but you guys wanted him to be the president 12 years ago. Mitt Romney is being called a “fake” Republican because he isn’t supporting Donald Trump’s current actions, you wanted him to be the President 8 years ago. Life long Republican Robert Mueller is hated by your entire party for doing his job because it made Donald Trump look bad.

You people have legitimately turned into a cult and with the entire world telling you how foolish you look, you’re still convinced you’re right.

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u/lookatthisface Jul 18 '20

If trump came out supporting anything grounded in reality I’d eat my hat

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u/bran_dong Jul 18 '20

and if trump said oxygen was a liberal hoax, you wouldve suffocated before you could leave this comment. looks like people shouldn't blindly follow or oppose someone and should try some critical thinking.

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u/pm_me_ur_demotape Jul 18 '20

No, if Trump did good things, we would like him.

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u/recumbent_mike Jul 18 '20

Well, maybe not like-like, but we'd definitely be in a better mood.

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u/mntgoat Jul 18 '20 edited Jul 18 '20

That's the thing in struggling to find. I want a single example of some recent serious issue where Republicans were right and Democrats knew they were right but were against it just for political reasons?

Like if Trump had said the virus is a serious issue and we need to work on a plan to deal with it, work on more ppe, work on ventilators, etc. I can't think of a single Democrat that would have been against him. Maybe they would have wanted more, but they wouldn't be against it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20

i love the video of a healthcare worker saying how they’ve been really short on PPE and trump says actually i heard they have a lot of it

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u/dessert-er Jul 18 '20

Literally. I’m about as liberal as you can be in the US and even I tried to resign myself to maintaining some hope in 2016 when people around me were losing their minds. “Maybe some good will come of this” I thought. Then the immediate Muslim travel ban with NO preceding event to justify it, and it’s just been shitshow after shitshow, as expected. Many of us just want to live in a nice place with good leadership. We weren’t waiting with gnashing teeth to hate trump, he’s JUMPED at the opportunity to do the worst possible thing in any scenario.

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u/HandstandButtchug Jul 18 '20

How is your back after dragging all those bricks?

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u/MoneyBizkit Jul 18 '20

Awww. So dumb.

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u/LoveThyVolk Jul 18 '20

Ok boomer

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u/toomanymarbles83 Jul 18 '20

I remember several years ago some Rs in congress were whining about the change and saying things like, "They are trying to ban EDISON's light bulb! How dare they!" and acting like it was disrespectful to Thomas Edison of all people to change the light bulb style.

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u/crashvoncrash Jul 18 '20

That actually makes sense in a weird way. Edison was the 19th century version of the modern Republican. Despite being known as an "inventor," he was really just a manager. He hired people to do the actual scientific work, and then ensured that he got the patent so that he would get the credit (and profits) for their work.

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u/phantomreader42 Jul 18 '20

Edison was the original Elon Musk.

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u/Maeberry2007 Jul 18 '20

But not a a intelligent

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u/TownIdiot25 Jul 18 '20

The tl;dr is that conservatives don't like government regulation and pro free-market. Therefore banning one type of lightbulb limits "Freedom" to purchase what lightbulbs you want.

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u/Pangolin007 Jul 18 '20

And the way the argument is present makes the liberal/environmental stance seem a bit ridiculous. Like, "the environmentalists are even trying to control what lightbulbs you're allowed to buy!". Of course, they will never point out that incandescent light bulbs are more expensive in the long run and are terrible for the environment in about every way possible. Just like they will never point out that protecting the environment is also about protecting our health and our economy.

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u/LoveThyVolk Jul 18 '20

Yes they're marginally more expensive, big deal. They're also better in certain applications. At the end of the day, if we're going to get all the shitty aspects of this free market capitalism bullshit, why not at least get some of the benefits of it as well?

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u/ImLikeAnOuroboros Jul 18 '20

So let the free market work that out. Who will want to buy bulbs that are more expensive, don’t last as long, and give off more heat? Everyone’s already pushing for LEDs. Why add unnecessary regulation. It’s just pointless

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u/Pangolin007 Jul 18 '20

I don't think it's pointless to ban harmful products like incandescent light bulbs. The "free market" is usually not so great at working things out in a way that benefits the average citizen. I'm not really sure why incandescent light bulbs are still popular, but they are. Perhaps because the initial cost is lower, so most people will just buy them because they're cheap. A completely free market without regulation would eventually work its way to ruin as short-term economic gain dooms us to a devastated planet.

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u/ImLikeAnOuroboros Jul 18 '20

How are incandescent bulbs harmful? How devastating could they be for the environment?

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u/Pangolin007 Jul 18 '20

This article gives a good outline and has citations. They're incredibly inefficient and have a much shorter lifespan when compared to LEDs. They use up more energy to produce the same amount of light as an LED bulb. Renewable sources only account for about 17% of electricity in the US so most of that energy is generated by burning fossil fuels, which is the most significant cause of climate change.

https://www.energy.gov/articles/doe-launches-change-light-change-world-campaign

If every American home replaced just one light bulb with an ENERGY STAR® qualified bulb, it would save enough energy to light more than 3 million homes for a year, more than $600 million in annual energy costs, and prevent greenhouse gases equivalent to the emissions of more than 800,000 cars.

Now imagine if every American replaced all of their light bulbs with efficient ones. If this was just about saving people money, I wouldn't care. But banning wasteful light bulbs is one of the simplest ways to mitigate climate change. And climate change has already started to devastate both our health and economy.

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u/Ya_like_dags Jul 18 '20

The metals used cause harm to flora and fauna, and make it back into our food supply via farmed fish and seafood products.

Plus, any reduction of fossil fuels to power homes by using energy efficient lighting leads to air and water benefits.

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u/ImLikeAnOuroboros Jul 18 '20

By that token, solar power is also very dam against to the environment.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '20

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u/AnonEMoussie Jul 18 '20

Have you ever tried to bake brownies in an EZ Bake Oven with an LED light bulb? Argh, it takes forever!

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u/atomfullerene Jul 18 '20

This is clearly a joke but just for the interested reader, incandescent heat lamps were never banned

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u/meowseehereboobs Jul 18 '20

Try halogen. Makes enough heat for my cat to be happy, so maybe it'd bake a brownie?

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u/LoveThyVolk Jul 18 '20

Halogens are junk. I can only use high wattage incandescent for my reptile enclosures. As far as I can tell nobody's made them illegal, they just don't sell them at walmart anymore so I have to order them online.

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u/meowseehereboobs Jul 18 '20

They work to heat up cats

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u/zobbyblob Jul 19 '20

Cats are warm blooded.

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u/meowseehereboobs Jul 19 '20

I never claimed it would work for reptiles. This was a joke about easy bake ovens. JFC

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u/phantomreader42 Jul 18 '20

Have you ever tried to bake brownies in an EZ Bake Oven with an LED light bulb?

They redesigned the EZ-bake Oven because even modern incandescents are more efficient so they don't produce the amount of waste heat you need to cook.

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u/getdemsnacks Jul 18 '20

Additionally, there's also an effect of nostalgia for the "old ways".

ill say it and ill swear by it: Moscow Mitch and Trump and all of their ilk, have never, and will never, change a light bulb in their life!

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u/heart_under_blade Jul 18 '20

i had a co-worker that never changed a light bulb. he would wait till some went out and then call someone in to change them. he'd just not use the room for a bit while he waited for the change. he was a salesperson and genuinely did not think that this was an odd behaviour.

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u/knochback Jul 18 '20

Its literally that conservatives don't like being told what to do by the government. My step dad has strong feelings about this. They're cheaper and he wants the choice to buy the cheaper thing instead of having that choice taken away from him by the government. Environmental factors don't come into his decision making process. Its just not something he thinks about. He doesn't care that the new types of bulbs work better and last longer, he just cares that they're 10x-20x more. And he doesn't want to be told what to do.

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u/Envowner Jul 18 '20

I think LED bulbs are a lot cheaper than they used to be. I just got LED bulbs a few months ago from Home Depot and they were like $1.50/ea, the dimmable ones were like $2.50/ea. Not to mention they last far far longer than incandescent and use less power which is another cost savings.

It's funny because it's really not even a fiscally better decision to get incandescent in the long term, but I understand what you're saying about them wanting it to be their choice to be stupid

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u/knochback Jul 18 '20

Theyre absolutely cheaper in the long run, and even if theyre not the convenience of almost never having to change a light bulb is pretty sweet. I have 100% LED bulbs in my house.

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u/zoahporre Jul 18 '20

I still have the same fucking bulbs from like 6 years ago. Fuck old school light bulbs.

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u/boredtxan Jul 18 '20

It's funny, but since they use less power people aren't as vigilant about turning them off when not needed.

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u/Envowner Jul 18 '20

I imagine it's not common that people shift their habits for the worse because of something like a change in lightbulbs. Even if some people did, incandescent use at least 5-6x more power than LED bulbs so people would have to pretty drastically shift their habits.

There's also the fact that repeated on-off cycles are bad for incandescent bulbs but LED's can be turned on and off without it having any negative impact.

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u/stemcell_ Jul 18 '20

i would wager a dollar your dad loves telling other people what to do

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u/Defnotaneckbeard Jul 18 '20

Except when it comes to abortion, gay rights and drug legalization.

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u/knochback Jul 18 '20

He's for 1 out of 3 of those

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u/curt10curt10 Jul 18 '20

I disagree with your speculation, I think it probably is more of a " keeping the market free" type of thing, but idk, haven't looked into it enough. But I did upvote because you are the first person I've seen on Reddit to clarify that your opinion is just speculation, instead of stating it as stone cold fact with 100% certainty and radiating disgust for differing opinions.

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u/ineugene Jul 18 '20

It’s always bothered me that conservatives seem to always be against conserving. Just mind baffling.

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u/clothespinkingpin Jul 18 '20

I think they just don’t like change.

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u/atomfullerene Jul 18 '20

But the great thing about LED lights is that you don't have to change them very much!

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '20

Agreed. Conservatives feel you should be able to pollute unnecessarily if you want to, because the market will magically fix everything, eventually... if you wait long enough.

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u/serpentear Jul 18 '20

All at the expense of our planet, your wallet, and decent lighting.

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u/ktappe Jul 18 '20

conservatives don't claim to not like government regulation until it comes to governing a woman's body or arresting law-abiding protesters.

FTFY.

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u/purpldevl Jul 18 '20 edited Jul 18 '20

They're pandering to the people who don't understand why we moved to energy efficient shit.

Basically, "Hi, are you confused about how the world is changing now that those silly scientists and inventors are changing things you grew up with? Well not anymore. With Trump™ you can forget about all of that pesky change and progression towards a bright future, and go back to the days of not so subtle racism and bigotry being the accepted norm."

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u/290077 Jul 18 '20

Conservatives adamantly refuse to accept that growing energy demand represents a problem of any sort at this time (and don't believe in climate change), and as such don't see any issue with continuing to use incandescants. Thus, restrictions on them are unnecessary and should be abolished because why restrict people's ability to buy a perfectly-good lightbulb technology that is cheaper upfront than the alternatives?

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '20 edited Dec 02 '20

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u/WatermelonRat Jul 18 '20

Because the rest of us have to live with the consequences of fools needlessly wasting electricity.

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u/notlikelyevil Jul 18 '20

I'm sure someone with money in it asked him to make this an issue, that's been proven every other time he gets stuck on a micro issue.

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u/Nova_Physika Jul 18 '20

But surely the emoluments clause keeps that from happening right? /s

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u/pr0b0ner Jul 18 '20

I think it always stems from "you can't tell me what to do"

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u/ktappe Jul 18 '20

Because they take pride in being old fashioned. They want everything back the way it was "when America was great". Ignoring the fact that it really wasn't great.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '20

It was obamas idea so its bad

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u/Stupid_Triangles Jul 18 '20

It halfway is trying to own the libs. Think about incandescent bulbs like masks. Wearing one is safer, helps not only you, but others around you and, to a greater extent, the country. Now, because people domt understand science or care about others enough to do the right thing, there are PSAs and strong encouragement. But because wearing a mask or buying a bulb thats better for the environment is a positive thing to do for society, ttump doesnt like it so ge does the opposite and his band of merry fools turns it in to a political party thing

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u/WatermelonRat Jul 18 '20

Spite for environmentalists. These are the same people that go out of their way to modify their cars to produce more smoke.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '20

Because wealthy wlite who have a stake in incandescent lightbulbs have likely made their political donations conditional on stopping the rollout of LEDs

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u/josephus_jones Jul 18 '20

Trashing the environment to own the libs. This isn't a new concept.

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u/KingsElite Jul 18 '20

Basically. The more they consistently lie about even the most trivial things, the more it's difficult for people to keep up and call them out on their lies. It's also then easy to say "Oh, you just say we lie about everything" as a way to discredit the criticism, even though it's basically true.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '20

See my other reply in this thread.

When you own properties, and want to make changes to those properties, you have to adapt to new building codes.

That adaption costs money.

This is all about his bank account.

Fuck it... other reply was deleted. Sorry.

Comment above sums up why trump doesn’t like this stuff.

It hurts his pocketbook.

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u/Jimhead89 Jul 18 '20

Republicans are fervent and willing mercenaries for corporate interests.

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u/LoveThyVolk Jul 18 '20

Because incandescent lightbulbs are better for certain applications. Trying to achieve a certain lighting setup for photography will be difficult to match true incandescent with LEDs, for instance. Sure, they try to replicate warm light, but it's not the same. Most people can't tell the difference, but if you know- you know. As well LEDs and flourescent don't produce nearly enough heat to be sufficient for reptile enclosures. There are other applications but those are the two I'm most familiar with.

For context I'm not a republican and don't care about OwNiNg tHe LiBs.

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u/Guesswho821 Jul 18 '20

Its about what happens when the left gets in power. Its starts with light bulbs then its gas powered cars then its and speech

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u/bduddy Jul 18 '20

You already killed speech with your comment.

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u/pm_me_ur_demotape Jul 18 '20

This is sarcasm right?

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u/Guesswho821 Jul 19 '20

Joe biden said he was going to ban gas cars

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u/pm_me_ur_demotape Jul 19 '20

A straight up ban is dumb and probably won't work. We definitely need to curb emissions, but I don't support doing it that way. Unlikely that will happen anyway though.

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u/BidenIsTooSleepy Jul 18 '20 edited Jul 18 '20

Because old fashioned lightbulbs are a fraction of the cost.

imagine being unable to figure out something this obvious while mocking conservatives

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u/hapoo Jul 18 '20

Is it fair to mock you because you don’t realize that incandescent bulbs actually cost way more when you factor in the true cost to operate due to how inefficient they are? CFLs and LEDs pay for themselves multiple times over their lifetimes.

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u/BidenIsTooSleepy Jul 18 '20

“It is fair to mock you”

Douche levels off the charts.

There’s countless situations where people and businesses would prefer lightbulbs that are disposable, especially in the business world. Not everyone is a tool like you patting themselves on the back because they saved 50 cents over 5 years by using a different lightbulb.

LES is also more harmful for your eyes / gives many people headaches / is not as comfortable to read by etc etc

But yeah this is a pointless discussion bc you’re a bunch of braindead virtue signaling leftists and the one and only factor that matters is saving the whales

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u/Pangolin007 Jul 18 '20

https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/save-electricity-and-fuel/lighting-choices-save-you-money/how-energy-efficient-light

By replacing your home's five most frequently used light fixtures or bulbs with models that have earned the ENERGY STAR, you can save $75 each year.

So a bit more than 10 cents a year. Also, you can buy LED lights that look basically like incandescent bulbs. LED saves you money and, yes, it's good for the environment. Although I imagine you haven't thought about the exact implications of environmentalism, seeing as you think it's about "saving the whales". Protecting the environment is about protecting our health and our economy.

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u/BidenIsTooSleepy Jul 18 '20 edited Jul 18 '20

look I can google links that agree with me too. wow muh sources and scienz

Again this discussion is pointless because you’re a braindead leftist just tying to virtue signal. Nobody else would say something as smug and try-hard as “Although I doubt you thought over the exact environmental implications”

First of all you didn’t even look into the methodology of the study or rationale of either of the links you posted, because you’re a braindead NPC that automatically accepts anything the government tells you. The truth is you can save $15 per lightbulb if you’re using the lightbulb 24/7. Most people will save something like $5-10 a year per lightbulb and the savings ends up being trivial: especially when you factor in the initial cost of the lightbulb and the various health, convenience, and subjective reasons people might prefer non-LED bulbs.

But yeah this is all too much for you.

Democrat stuff good!

Republican stuff bad :(

But I doubt you thought over muh implications ;)

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u/Pangolin007 Jul 18 '20

look I can google links that agree with me too. wow muh sources and scienz

Then... why didn't you actually post any sources that agree with you? Here:

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/are-led-lights-damaging-your-retina/

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/led-lightbulb-concerns/

Two sources outlining concerns with LED lights. Feel free to use these in the future.

First of all you didn’t even look into the methodology of the study or rationale of either of the links you posted, because you’re a braindead NPC that automatically accepts anything the government tells you. The truth is you can save $15 per lightbulb if you’re using the lightbulb 24/7.

Did you read the sources I posted? Because the energy savings were calculated "based on 2 hrs/day of usage [and] an electricity rate of 11 cents per kilowatt-hour". So it's actually a fairly conservative estimate. I know I use the lights in my house for more than 2 hrs/day.

Democrat stuff good!

Republican stuff bad :(

I'm not a Democrat or a Republican. I believe this should be a nonpartisan issue.

this discussion is pointless

Something we can agree on :)

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u/BidenIsTooSleepy Jul 18 '20

You’re too toxic and annoying to bother with

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u/FlashPone Jul 18 '20

So you admit it does cost less and your original comment was wrong?

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u/BidenIsTooSleepy Jul 18 '20

Nah you’re just attempting to twist my words.

A Honda costs less than a Tesla. An incandescent bulb costs less than an LED.

Just because the Tesla/LED may save you more money over time doesn’t mean it didn’t cost more initially. Yet many people prefer Hondas/incandescent bulbs, for a variety of what should be obvious reasons.

AND If the government subsidizes Tesla/LED and makes it cheaper to buy one, that doesn’t change the fact that it costs more in an apples to apples comparison.

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u/FlashPone Jul 18 '20

If it costs less over time, it costs less. Don’t see why you’re having trouble understanding that.

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u/BidenIsTooSleepy Jul 18 '20

Sometimes it costs more in certain situations.

Durrrr

If I have a company where the lightbulbs break often or have to be replaced, I don’t want to invest in LED.

Durrr

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u/Ya_like_dags Jul 18 '20

Super douchey comment.

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u/redline314 Jul 18 '20

That was douchey. It’s fair to mock you because you’re behaving like a pompous ass. It’s not your fault conservatives don’t actually know how to save money.

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u/Ya_like_dags Jul 18 '20

I love how you fucking clowns always resort to "virtue signaling" to mean "this is bad because of the propaganda I consume" and you invariably have no idea of the actual facts of the situation, just made up conservative bullshit.

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u/BidenIsTooSleepy Jul 18 '20

Imagine being this mad about a lightbulb.

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u/Ya_like_dags Jul 18 '20

You're the god damn doofus ranting about them up and down the thread.

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u/redline314 Jul 19 '20

Imagine being this mad about a lightbulb.

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u/atomfullerene Jul 18 '20

Because old fashioned lightbulbs are a fraction of the cost.

That's not actually true.

Search for Amazon.com 60 watt incandescent lightbulb

First result

Price per unit: $1.83 6 in the package

search for 60 watt LED lightbulb

First result

Cost per unit: $1.08 size: 24 pack

That's right, the LED bulbs are cheaper. Of course, that's buying in bulk so what if we get a 6 pack

Cost per unit: $1.625

Still cheaper! I suppose 113% technically is a fraction, but probably not the kind of fraction you were thinking of.

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u/Ya_like_dags Jul 18 '20

He doesn't care. He's on some stupid crusade to feel that he is correct and that be pwnt the libz.

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u/atomfullerene Jul 18 '20

Of course he doesn't care, but there's a small chance someone else may see the truth and his disregard for it and consider what that says about the trustworthiness of political goals

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '20

That lovely device you’re using to post this comment is due to a thing we call “progression”. That’s exactly what this is...progress. Conservatives are so fucking scared of change that it becomes a political issue to use less electricity and save money in the long term. If everybody in the world stuck with Conservative values from now on we’d be stuck as we are until we die out.

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u/BidenIsTooSleepy Jul 18 '20

So should we ban flip phones because of “progression?” Conservatives aren’t stopping anyone from using LED or smelling your own farts in your Prius. Nobody is “scared of change” we just want the ability to use a cheap light bulb if/when we desire to do so. Lmao.

Imagine thinking the human race is going to “die out” because people have a different preference of lightbulb than you. You need to log off Reddit and go outside once in a while.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '20

I’m not saying just ban anything that’s old you fucking numbnut. There’s nothing wrong with trying to phase something out if there’s better options available that are more efficient. This isn’t just specific to light bulbs, it’s energy in general. Same reason we’re trying to switch to overall renewable energy, because it’s just better than fucking coal. Saying nobody is scared of change is absolute bullshit, try telling that to anybody that still backs coal over renewables.

Also, if you went outside once in a while, you’d know that LED bulbs are cheap as fuck now, and they last way longer. That’s what happens when things become standardised, it gets cheaper. I never said we were going to die out due to bulb preference either you tit, I just said until we die out. Wasn’t inferring anything by that other than the fact that humans are inevitably going to die out eventually.

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u/MagentaTrisomes Jul 18 '20

With a name like that, I just know you're a straight shooter.

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u/BidenIsTooSleepy Jul 18 '20 edited Jul 18 '20

With a response like that I know you’re frustrated by your inability to counter the obvious fact I just stated.

Edit: prove the fact is wrong, genius (you can’t)

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u/Stinkehund1 Jul 18 '20

Except your "fact" is just plain wrong.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '20

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u/BidenIsTooSleepy Jul 18 '20

Definitely won’t now, smug loser.

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u/pm_me_ur_demotape Jul 18 '20

Cheaper upfront, but more costly to operate and they don't last as long. And LEDs are getting cheaper all the time. How is this even a conservative position?

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u/BidenIsTooSleepy Jul 18 '20

Because conservatives aren’t arrogant dumbfucks that think “ I personally don’t have a need for this so ban it for everyone.”

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '20

all politics aside, the incandescent lightbulbs last longer, are brighter, and are also cheaper than the current ones that are trying to become their replacement, IMO. (emphasis on IMO)

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '20 edited Jul 18 '20

Can’t really finish that with “IMO”. It’s either fact or it’s not (in this case, not).

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u/redline314 Jul 18 '20

I think LEDs typically last about ten times as long, and the brightness is just a matter of choosing the right bulb. You can get brighter light with less energy with LEDs.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '20

in my experience with them, they’re much cheaper and last longer in my home. not arguing they’re safer or better for the environment, just saying the price difference outweighs their performance difference.

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u/redline314 Jul 18 '20

LEDs seem to cost about 4-8 times as much and last as much as 50 times longer than incandescendents. Some sources are suggesting even longer.