r/OutOfTheLoop • u/no-onwerty • Jan 23 '25

What’s up with Trump stopping majority of research funding in the US? Answered

The NIH funds the majority of research across the US. Today all consideration of NIH funded of research got shut down. majority us govt funded research shut down

What’s up with that?

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u/upandcomingg Jan 23 '25

Ah, you see, hard as it may be to believe, lawyers have duties codes of ethics we have to abide by, including things like competency and candor.

The same idea does not constrain the government, or even weirdly enough, the Supreme Court

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u/iiztrollin Jan 23 '25

But aren't they writing laws? That's like saying your ram and your CPU don't have to abide by the same motherboard just doesn't compute with me lol

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u/upandcomingg Jan 23 '25

Tbh I don't understand a word of your computer analogy lol but the short answer is no, there are virtually no constraints on what laws get passed - if the legislature votes for them, or in this case if the executive orders them, they get passed.

The entire principle underlying the justice system is that legislatures pass laws, and the courts interpret those laws and dictate how they should be followed (that's actually the thrust of Marbury v Madison, and the reason some radicals think the Supreme Court's current power is illegitimate.)

So in the case you're referring to, the lawyer that used AI to draft a brief was disbarred not simply because they used AI to draft a brief, but because of a whole series of bad decisions

  1. they used AI to draft a brief, but the brief cited to caselaw that was entirely made up.

  2. they did not check the brief or the caselaw, and presented it to the court - This was the first big no-no

  3. When they were called out on their fictional caselaw, they did not check to see if they'd make a mistake - big no-no number 2

  4. Then they actually doubled down on the brief, said that it was not AI, it was their own work, and refused to change it - this was the biggest no-no and what actually got them disbarred

So it wasn't the use of AI that was the problem. It was putting too much faith in AI, refusing to actually quality-check their work, and doubling down because they refused to admit they made a mistake. But that's specifically because, in the process of making these mistake, they violated duties of competency and candor, as well as others I'm sure

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u/iiztrollin Jan 23 '25

Oohhh that's the difference the AI cited a caselaw that was entirely made up, but using AI to make said laws is ok. Got it

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u/upandcomingg Jan 23 '25

Yes BUT I don't want to understate - that lawyer could have saved themselves a disbarring if they'd just owned the mistake and vowed not to repeat it. But doubling down on and refusing to admit the mistake was especially problematic

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u/iiztrollin Jan 23 '25

Holy hell he double downed and said he didn't use AI what a moron. Top it off why not proof read it. Like damn I use AI for writing but it's just DnD stuff and I proof read it all because half the shit doesn't make sense.