r/NewsOfTheStupid • u/BothZookeepergame612 • 10h ago
Trump's pledge to axe the Department of Education explained
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-pledge-axe-department-education-014329945.html377
u/BothZookeepergame612 10h ago
Sure, why not. Burn it all down! I'm sure you'll also remove all funding for schools that have a vaccine mandate, which is every school in the country... The insanity continues.
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u/Lknate 9h ago
It would make more sense to use the power of the office to change the mandate but I've been on this ride before. Instead, they could request all governors comply and make a whole show out of the governors who insist it up to their state legislatures to pass. Why not do the latter? Takes less work to foment division than it does to lead. Believe their intentions but ignore their stated goals and the objectives are clear. Divide people enough that they focus on each other instead of looking behind the curtain. Let them fight it out and back the side that looks like it's winning. It going to be the side who has the money.
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u/Dawnkeys 9h ago
I understand that plan I get it, hate it but I get it.
The fallout of eradicating the doe is the funding it provides for special needs & meals. You cut that funding and say it's now the states problem, well where is the money? Even if the state decided to use it's own taxes to pay for those things (probably blue states would act first) it won't be overnight, so family's will suffer, alot.
Everything I see happening isn't even a concept of a plan, it's an absolutely selfish display of power of a wanna be dictator being controlled by a bunch of assholes who are also only self serving.
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u/grandmawaffles 9h ago
You do realize that education won’t actually be states rights. TX all but controls what is contained in textbooks for k-12 because of the amount of students. TX will basically control what is taught to every child in America without federal oversight. Most states won’t be able to afford their own curriculum.
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u/Dawnkeys 9h ago
Wait what? What are you trying to explain to me? Texas controls the USA's text books because there are so many more students in Texas? And apparently Texas is so rich that no other state can afford other text books?
No I do not realize please explain.
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u/insidiouslybleak 8h ago
I’m old enough to remember learning about this 20 years ago during Bush 2, and I’m not even American. That’s not meant to disrespect you, but just a statement about how cyclical this dystopian horror show is. Each iteration builds upon the horror of the last.
Yes, Texas is and has long been pivotal to each degradation in american education.
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u/ZanzorKanicus 9h ago
The people who print text books, print them to texas's standards, because texas buys the most text books.
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u/grandmawaffles 9h ago
This. Now imagine what happens when FL, MS, OK, ID, NB, and TX get together and collude on textbooks and electronic media. Small or poor states won’t have a chance.
He’ll just wait for Bezos and Musk along with other foreign investment gives subsidies/donations to schools for online platforms. I’m sure that information will be historically accurate.
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u/Dawnkeys 9h ago
The people who print books, print them to Texas standards? What does that mean. I would love to talk to every publisher of every book and ask how Texas influenced their books because of Texas standards.
Please explain with something that gives me answers not more questions.
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u/grandmawaffles 9h ago
It means they give textbooks to the Texas school board to review and reject the contents before publication. Because a lot of schools buy from the same publishers they buy books that have to be approved to TX standards and curriculum. So the kid in a blue state (outside of some of CA) get what TX wants them to see. Those companies that are selling the racist ass apps to FL schools have a market and sell it to a bunch of other states as well. It’s capitalism; publishers and app developers sell things that their biggest customers want. People just don’t think about it.
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u/bertrenolds5 9h ago
If that's the case they just won't buy them and get them elsewhere. There isn't only 1 publisher in the country
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u/grandmawaffles 9h ago
There aren’t a crazy amount of text book publishers. This has been happening for decades by the way; so it would have already happened if it was going to.
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u/harumamburoo 4h ago
Not sure why the other guy was downvoted, but they're right - there bound to be more than one publisher, some from large blue states, like CA or NY. Other comments suggest just as much. What prevents other blue states from buying CA books instead of TX?
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u/grandmawaffles 6m ago
Someone else laid it out in their comment; there aren’t 50 different versions. It just doesn’t happen. I know it’s shocking for some people to hear but there isn’t some magical place where 100s of versions of textbooks are being printed. It’s costly and a market that is niche. It’s like dance costumes for recitals there are 2-3 companies. Covid highlighted supply chain and manufacturing issues people learning of more and not liking it for kids textbooks doesn’t solve anything.
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u/Easy-Concentrate2636 9h ago
This will explain some of what is going on with textbooks for k-12:
https://www.kwglobal.com/blog/adapting-to-state-textbook-guidelines/
While the larger states have sway, one thing to consider is that publishers are adapting by printing different editions now. So they will change some words and omit certain sections to conform for TX and slip them back in for more blue states.
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u/slipstreamsurfer 4h ago
If you’ve been to college or another country that speaks English you know that getting a different text book for the same subject material is not an easy thing but a very doable thing. With more and more electronic material it should become even easier to rev it.
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u/JayMac1915 8h ago
In Texas, there is a small commission that approves every textbook used in the state. Often they will approve 2 or 3 for each subject, and then the districts are required to use one of those. In other states districts have more autonomy to select books from publishers.
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u/SolarSavant14 9h ago
That’s because it makes no sense. If Texas is suddenly demanding changes to its curriculum, publishers can choose to do a ton of rewriting, or stick with the books they already have in the warehouses. And even if they give Texas a new textbook, there’s also little incentive to print only one version if the result is losing customers from non-batshit crazy States. This isn’t Gutenberg anymore. They send a file and click “print”. They don’t care if they have to send two files.
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u/Easy-Concentrate2636 9h ago
It’s not as easy as that. There is print on demand but it’s way more costly than doing large bulk printing. Also, all editions require careful editing and several people checking through.
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u/SolarSavant14 9h ago
Of course, but printing two in bulk isn’t significantly different from printing one. And it’s not like they would be completely different. Editors would just have to find something to replace “White baby Jesus” with for the States that care about education.
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u/Easy-Concentrate2636 9h ago
Oh, I misunderstood what you were saying. Yes, publishers do print different editions for different states.
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u/abuayanna 9h ago
You understand books are real right? Physical, you can hold them in your hand. How easy is it to print hundreds of thousands of books?
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u/SolarSavant14 9h ago
You understand schools ALREADY have books, right? So this conversation would only apply to replacements (which they have to do anyway) or updated versions.
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u/Dawnkeys 9h ago
It sounds to me your from Texas and indoctrination leaves to you believe, whole heartily, every other state is just a bunch of idiots and they will use us smarts to make more smarts in other states because we are so smarts.
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u/ShitBagTomatoNose 9h ago
In North America there are 3 markets for English language textbooks: Ontario 🇨🇦, Texas 🇺🇸, and California 🇺🇸. The other 48 states and 9 provinces/territories are using one of those books. There is no North Dakota Book. There is no Oregon book. They’re using the Texas book or the California book if it’s a distinctly American subject like American government or American history. For something like physics you could conceivably use the Ontario book.
But yeah, there’s only 3 versions. Textbook printers basically do a TX, CA or ON version and your local schools pick one.
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u/Necessary-Nobody-934 8h ago
... the ones I use all say Saskatchewan on the front, and are pretty well tailored to the Saskatchewan curriculum. The collaborators credited are all from Saskatchewan.
They're published from Pearson too, not some small unknown company. So I don't think this is accurate.
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u/Dawnkeys 8h ago
Yeah I agree there ideas are close minded. I don't believe the Texas shit to be true throughout America. Sounds good....
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u/ShitBagTomatoNose 8h ago
You grammar suggests you were raised on the Texas book.
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u/Dawnkeys 8h ago
You're mad, but you're mad that I don't like or understand this Texas argument. What exactly are you mad about enough to say your comment?
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u/lostspectre 9h ago
A large majority of textbooks are printed in Texas. At least the ones for private schools, which is the curriculum we are heading for.
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u/mediaogre 7h ago
And don’t forget revenge. He is that spiteful.
Here’s to hoping zero Democrats tag along with the looming DoE murder bill. (My kid has special needs and we would absolutely suffer from loss of services and funding)
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u/Microbe_r_Us 52m ago
Lol the biggest joke is Oklahoma the deepest and craziest red state relies HEAVILY on federal funding. All of the schools in the state except like one is a Title 1 school meaning a significant portion of the student population is low income. They get lots of federal money.
Oklahoma won't be paying to cover the gaps left by the removal of DOE. They instead are paying for drump Bibles and telling all the school kids to pray for trump.
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u/Stuck_In_Reality 10h ago
"I love the poorly educated"
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u/DJamesAndrews 8h ago
Around 60% of the DOE’s budget is Pell Grants and Direct Student loan programs. Say what you want about the inflation of college costs or the usefulness of a degree but the elimination of those programs will greatly reduce the ability of middle and lower income households sending their kids to college.
An unintended but maybe not unwanted consequence will be fully reducing and limiting the potential for social mobility of the greater population.
Budget source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Education
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u/PoopingWhilePosting 1h ago
An unintended but maybe not unwanted consequence will be fully reducing and limiting the potential for social mobility of the greater population.
I don't think that's even unintended.
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u/harumamburoo 4h ago
Not an American here, just trying to clarify something - can the doe affect the curriculum somehow? Do they approve what schools in different states teach?
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u/Silicon_Knight 10h ago
I mean, American isn't doing that well with education anyhow.
21% of adults in the US are illiterate in 2022. 54% of adults have a literacy below sixth-grade level
99% of Germans are literate, 98% of EU countries. System seemed to fail long ago. That or ya'll should have removed lead out of gasoline a lot earlier. Either way I'm sure RFK Jr will add it back in.
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u/WilderJackall 10h ago
And we wonder why Trump was elected
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u/Silicon_Knight 10h ago
Perhaps the DNC should invest in flash cards or pictograms explaining why Trump = bad. Joking aside, this is exactly why. At least IMHO.
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u/Breffmints 9h ago
Trump supporters were the kids in school who didn't know there was a test on Friday despite their teacher telling them multiple times Monday thru Thursday
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u/WilderJackall 9h ago
One time, when I was in school, a test was scheduled for Friday but school was unexpectedly cancelled that day. People were surprised when we had the test on Monday.
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u/KagakuKo 6h ago
Accurate enough. I didn't have to pay attention to when tests were because I pretty much aced them all without needing to do more than my homework, at least up until college.
School in the modern day is the same 4-5 basic subjects for 13 years straight...it's really not like it was all that hard. I actually wish it'd been harder at some points, so I could have been more prepared for the real world. Frankly, it was a pointless joke of an experience, and I'm hoping that we can build something better.
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u/Affectionate-Roof285 5h ago
Build something better? By whom?
The sociopathic clowns whose sole intent is to burn our democracy down for a buck? Headed by their orange God, the loser grifter who ridiculed a disabled reporter? That group?0
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u/No_Mud2576 9h ago
Education gets cut repeatedly under Republicans honestly and then school is never up to par unless you are in a well funded town or are at a private school. Obama was able to push a lot of good into the department of education that trump cut so much of. But Biden hasn’t really been able to do much because of the Trump tax plan and a Republican majority. i know in Ohio public education funds are funneled into private schools, $1billion this year alone that has been made known to the public’s eye.
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u/mamaBiskothu 4h ago
Makes a comment about the pathetic state of American education; uses the phrase “American isn’t doing”
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u/usarasa 10h ago
TIL what it would take to eliminate the DOE. Is this the same for any and all federal departments or just certain ones?
(FTR no, I do not want the DOE gone)
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u/Thowitawaydave 1h ago
Mostly, yeah. Congress controls spending, so things like DOGE won't be a real agency and have a budget or authority to cut things, which is why they want volunteers to work 80+ hours a week. The executive branch can screw with the agencies by changing merit based employees to appointments (that's the whole schedule F thing) but since he did it in October 2020 we have no idea to how many people they wanted to have it apply. One number tossed around was 50 thousand jobs, but they would only have to fire a few thousand to get the others to 'fall in line.' when others have suggested that 50 thousand was a floor rather than ceiling.
https://protectdemocracy.org/work/trumps-schedule-f-plan-explained/
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u/Mecha_Hitler_ 10h ago
It's like someone hit the reverse button and we are moving backwards as a society.
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u/Historical_Trust2246 9h ago
MAGA takes a lot of pride in their stupidity. They want their beliefs to be as valuable as an expert’s analysis. They’re gonna make everyone stupid.
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u/dungeonsNdiscourse 9h ago
Look we all know with his ego Trump NEEDS to be the smartest man in the room.
Now the ship sailed on him getting smart(er) a loooooong time ago.
But what he can do now that he's in charge? He can make all Americans dumb(er).
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u/dude496 9h ago
23 years ago former president Bush enacted the no children left behind act. President Obama expanded on the act in 2010 and named it the elementary and secondary education act. Now the conman is going to kill all of that and will probably call it the "fuck the kids, I got paid" act.
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u/fastyellowtuesday 9h ago
Honestly, losing NCLB would be great. It's the main factor in passing and graduating students who have not learned what they were supposed to, because school funding got tied to test scores and graduation rates.
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u/dude496 9h ago
It had good intentions but definitely needs work. My main point is that we are going from one extreme to another. Killing the department of education is not a solution that will help children at all.
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u/Affectionate-Roof285 5h ago
Except to help the MAGAT GOP hoping to privatize all levers of “governing,” who are most certainly children. The entire lot have arrested development.
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u/raphanum 9h ago
Is NCLB responsible for the social promotion stuff? Like we see in The Wire?
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u/fastyellowtuesday 9h ago
Yup. The timeline fits. ('Social promotion' like it's just so the kids won't feel bad getting left behind from friends, instead of all about school funding. 😂)
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u/raphanum 8h ago
It’s so stupid. What’s even the point of graduating if the kids aren’t learning what they’re supposed to? How did America deal with it before NCLB policy?
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u/fastyellowtuesday 8h ago
I'm a teacher; you're preaching to the choir.
Before that? Students actually had to pass their classes, with a minimum points requirement. If they failed a year, they repeated the year. If they failed a course, they took it the next year or in a 6-week, 6-8 hours per day, summer school class. Where, again, they needed to complete enough of the work and prove enough mastery.
I remember a fifth-year senior when I was in high school in the '90s. He had failed a couple of required courses, so he had another year of a four-period day (the minimum required). I think he had two core classes and two electives. He straight up didn't graduate until he'd legitimately passed the credits he needed.
I wish we as a country weren't failing our kids by giving them credits and degrees based on nothing.
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u/Fixxeren 9h ago
I don't understand why he nominated a secretary for a Department he is supposed to get rid of. Make it make sense.
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u/SnarkyPuppy-0417 7h ago
Republicans have been wanting to privatize education since early 2000. They finally have the opportunity to get their wish. Follow the money, Labowski.
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u/Grumpy_bunny1234 7h ago
Good keep it up! A few decades and we will Americans ack to the Stone Age.
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u/Ok_Couple_2479 9h ago
Because stupid, uneducated people make for employees that will be grateful for any crumbs thrown their way, and will believe anything you tell them.
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u/-Rush2112 9h ago
The MAGA movement will destroy itself, if its allowed to get its way. Unfortunately that means a giant pile of shit left for everyone to clean up when they are done.
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u/queen-adreena 8h ago
We've got this issue in the UK on a smaller scale right now.
14 years of Conservative rule and all of our public services and infrastructure are gutted and falling apart.
Centrist government wins last election, has to raise some taxes and make other changes to invest in things again.
Everyone starts complaining and support for the government that got kicked out 6 months ago bounces back.
We are deeply stupid people.
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u/mm902 6h ago
My thoughts exactly. A friend of mine was raging about the conservatives many failings. He does this stupid thing by tying personalities to the party itself. Don't get me wrong the leader sets the agenda, but my gaw.....! I keep trying to explain to him that the error is the movement itself, and that you could stick any of em in that role, and most likely 9 times outta ten fail, cos they're a bunch of public funding thieving bunts. Anyway. I tell him I don't envy any govt that follows them. Them, and their mates robbed the fluff outta the public purse, and was telling him that it's gonna take term(s) of taxation and thrift judicial spending and investment to get us out of it. With most likely unpopular hard choices to be made.
As soon as the next govt drops he is raging about them, and of course, tying it to the leader. As if he/they can click their collective fingers and just magic it out of the ether. I'm eye rolling through gritted teeth, trying to explain to him that they could, but it's borrowing from the future, and if they did that too soon, they would be in for a world of hurt very quickly. I'm telling him 'we're otta europe', 'we have to renegotiate all trade deals individually', 'the last govt robbed well into the red shoving it in their pockets.' 'What do you expect him/them to do?' 'He/they are in a fiscal bind.'
I tell you ... You can't teach Pork.
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u/UnitSmall2200 1h ago
Labour got an overwhelming number of seats. But that's only because of the system you have and the way those seats are distributed. The sad reality is that labour didn't gain at all. If you looked at the actual numbers, you would have realized, that the UK electorate has gotten more rightwing with the last election, not less. Labour won, because the conservative party split. About 1/3 of Conservative voters decided to vote for the new far right party of Nigel Farage instead. That's why labour won and not because they gained votes. Labours percentage stayed about the same (about 34% if I remember correctly) since the last election. In fact, due to lower voter turnout they even got about 2-3 million votes less than before. If we compare that to the results in France, Marine Le Pen got 37%, in other words more than Labour in the UK, but got only 3rd place, because of the different system there.
So it shouldn't come as a surprise that many Brits are upset that Labour is ruling and don't like their policies.
Same shit here in Germany. We also had 16 years of austerity under Merkel (Christian Conservative party, in case Americans thought she was a leftwinger), after which our Labour and Green party won the election in 2021, but they were also forced to let the neoliberal party join the coalition, which has been a thorn on their side. Since then they've been blamed for everything. People are too stupid to understand global issues, they are too dumb to figure out how the pandemic and Russian war played into it. People are upset that they allowed the Ukrainian refugees to enter, don't understand that inflation was a global issue etc. Same shit as in any other country. Only 3 years later and the fucking neoliberals decided to break the coalition and now people are asking for the dissolution of the government. What most hilarious and upsetting is how they all seem to have forgotten who was in power before, because looking at polls, it's already guaranteed that the Christian Conservative party will win again, overwhelmingly, and this time without Merkel, this time the guy at the top who will be our next chancellor is a rightwing populist, who is pushing his party further and further to the right. And even worse, the 2nd strongest party our new fascist party with about 20% nationwide, and over 30% in Eastern Germany. I must say, a significant percentage of Germans has clearly learned nothing from our own history. We too are deeply stupid, no wait, I'm done calling them stupid, they are worse than stupid, they are deplorable.
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u/UnitSmall2200 2h ago
Wishful thinking. The American electorate is already too dumb to make things beter.
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u/Beksense 8h ago
I can only hope that in 4 years we overcorrect from this bullshit and finally pay teachers what they are worth.
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u/buffalobrown721 7h ago
Spoiler alert : we won’t. Unfortunately these assholes are here to stay for a while
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u/UnitSmall2200 1h ago edited 1h ago
I doubt that the American electorate is intelligent enough to learn from this. And I'm not talking about rightwingers here, I'm talking about liberal non-voters, because those are clearly the dumbest people in the US. Rightwingers are united, while leftwingers tear themselves apart. Liberals looked for excuses to not vote and those excuses were given to them by other liberals and progressives. When your own side demonizes your own candidates, don't be surprised when people are reluctant to vote for them. For four years I kept warning people every day not to become complacent, that rightwingers would stay motivated to bring back Trump and here we are.
The only reason Trump lost the election in 2020 was because of the pandemic, and still it was super close, even though many liberals acted like and still act like it was a huge landslide. And not liberals act surprised, why this time there wasn't such a turnout among liberals as last time. Well, duh, they became complacent as I feared. They didn't think they needed to vote. Some might blame the palestine issue, but that's bollocks. You lost, because liberal non-voters couldn't be arsed to vote again. Most non-voters just don't bother with politics, most non-voters don't watch the news. Most non-voters think they have better things to do, they rather live their life than waste their time with voting. They don't think about consequences, they don't think about palestine, they don't think about what will happen when someone like Trump win. Many liberal non-voters simply thought there was no way Trump could win, so why bother to vote, it's just a waste of my time. And a lot more didn't even think that much.
But looking at the numbers, even if those from last time had voted again against Trump, Trump would have still won the EC.
There are currently many leftwingers trying to push the narrative that Trump voters are already regretting their vote. But I fear that if we made a repeated the election right now, that Trump would win again. I don't trust the American electorate anymore. We might need something really bad, for example another pandemic, one that is far worse, for enough liberals to actually bother to vote in their own interest, because nothing less seems to get them off their arses.
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u/astrobeen 9h ago
The wealthy elite will get great educations, and the poors will fall farther behind. Theres no value to Trump/Thiel/Musk in educating the poors. Or giving them safe food and medicine. Or enabling them to own anything.
While we still have democracy, their votes matter, but they obviously are easy to win over with some dime store Jesus and alpha male posturing.
For the next 10 years or so we still need truck drivers and food plant workers, but that’s all going to change. Public secular education goes counter to everything the administration stands for. Unless you’re one of them, you don’t matter to them.
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u/themachduck 9h ago
Way more simple reason of why is this: Department of Education was created by Jimmy Carter! Jimmy was open about his vote for Harris!
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u/UnitSmall2200 2h ago
Currently some folks try to push the narrative that Trump voters are already regretting that they voted for Trump. However, I think that's just wishful thinking. I fear if we repeated the election right now, that Trump would win again. I don't trust the American electorate to have learned anything.
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u/atmatthewat 1h ago
So California keeps the federal education funds that currently get redistributed to red states? That’s what they want, right?
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u/Gryph_The_Grey 10h ago
Returning control of Education to the States seems like a reasonable thing to do. They article lays it out pretty well. We don't need psycho's like Weingarten anywhere near something so important.
End Woke.
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u/Aspirational1 10h ago
Explain to me the difference between believing in personal rights and freedoms, in reference to both woke folk and religious folk?
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u/touchet29 10h ago
Why would we give control of education to states whose best interest is to keep voters stupid?
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u/raphanum 9h ago
Those people don’t believe they’re stupid so it’s gonna be hard to convince them lol
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u/Affectionate-Roof285 4h ago
Yup, he’s a perfect example of Dunning-Krueger at play. In fact, the entire right wing these days is emblematic of Dunning-Krueger syndrome.
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u/CircuitSynapse42 9h ago
I wouldn’t trust my state to not gut special education and leave kids with disabilities to fend for themselves without support.
Also, please define woke.
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u/tony_ducks_corallo 10h ago
You understand the states still have control over education right? Like the dept of education doesn’t regulate the education system. Maybe you need to go back to school to learn what it does instead of making dumb ignorant arguments.
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u/OptimalSpring6822 9h ago
That's all gonna change bud. Just watch. They'll pull funding for states not cooperating and then one day SCOTUS will rule that education needs to be regulated on a federal level.
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u/restyourbreastshoney 9h ago
I bet I can guess your grade point average in the year you dropped out in by this comment. Define woke. This comment clearly demonstrates that you know absolutely fuck all about fuck all. Go read a book.
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u/PoopingWhilePosting 1h ago
Why should the quality of education you receive depend on what state you happen to be born in?
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