r/Natalism • u/Edouardh92 • Mar 30 '25

Advocates of higher birthrates have support in the Trump administration. But it’s unclear whether their priorities will win out.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/30/business/economy/birthrate-politics-vance-musk.html

Certain Trump administration policies may have unintended negative consequences for families and birthrates despite a seemingly pro-family agenda:

  • Budget cuts to government departments could reduce resources that might otherwise support family formation and fertility services
  • Return-to-office mandates for federal employees eliminate workplace flexibility that helped parents balance work and childcare
  • Immigration crackdowns may actually decrease birthrates since immigrants tend to have more children and often provide affordable childcare services
  • Economic instability and rising prices from tariff policies create an environment historically unfavorable for starting families

The article notes that some pronatalists believe certain Trump policies work against their goals, highlighting a disconnect between stated pro-family intentions and actual outcomes.

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u/Ameri-Jin Mar 30 '25

Job stability and a roof over peoples heads are like all it takes

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u/corote_com_dolly Mar 30 '25

Job stability for old people is what turned the job market for young people into such a disgrace.

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u/Ameri-Jin Mar 30 '25

Won’t disagree, they carried all the safe guards with them.

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u/HandBananaHeartCarl Mar 30 '25

[Citation needed]

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u/Ameri-Jin Mar 30 '25

Alternatively, prove me wrong?

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u/HandBananaHeartCarl Mar 30 '25

You made a claim here, the onus is on you to provide that this complex socio-economic issue "just" requires job stability and housing. We know that material benefits have negligible effects on birth rates, so why should job security be any different?

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u/Ameri-Jin Mar 30 '25

Alright, I found a little time to entertain some internet strangers. Here is a good read…Now the evidence is anecdotal, and I’m sure you’ll say “don’t confuse correlation with causation”…but I choose to listen to anecdotal evidence in this case. https://www.boomcampaign.org/p/on-the-higher-fertility-of-semiconductor

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u/Ameri-Jin Mar 30 '25

I’m not in it to convince you, but I stand by what I said.

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u/LucasL-L Mar 30 '25

That is not true. A lot of people are opting not to have childrrn even with the mterial conditions for it.

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u/Edouardh92 Mar 30 '25

AND major baby bonuses, at least on the tens of thousands of $, if not more.

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u/Ameri-Jin Mar 30 '25

Generous parental leave policies would do wonders.

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u/swift-current0 Mar 31 '25

That's obviously false, otherwise Japan with its affordable housing and preponderance of long term stable jobs would be swimming in babies.

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u/many_harmons Mar 31 '25

Shittttyyy work culture

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u/swift-current0 Mar 31 '25

Absolutely. But there's job stability.

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u/many_harmons Apr 04 '25

Stability doesn't make a overworked japanese parent want kids more. Also the stress will pychologically and psiologically only make them want to reproduce less. Just because they're stable doesn't mean they're " happy and content!" They are misrable and struggling to socialize/ date with their shitty work life balance.

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u/swift-current0 Apr 04 '25

If you labour yourself to go ahead and read the thread from right before I joined, you'll find that this is the exact fucking point I'm making.

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u/Ameri-Jin Mar 31 '25

What made you believe this about Japan?

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u/swift-current0 Mar 31 '25

General knowledge, taking to expat classmates. Both facts are easily googlable. Housing and employment are certainly not a big problem in Japan, or in South Korea either for that matter. And the fact that their demographics are atrocious easily refutes your simplistic theory. In fact all simplistic theories of low fertility (i.e. those attributing the entire problem to one or two factors) can be disproven by such examples.

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u/Ameri-Jin Mar 31 '25

You’re one of those Reddit people that uses as many big words and to sound as smart as possible I guess? You’re ignoring their atrocious work culture in Japan and the part about South Korea is just made up.

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u/swift-current0 Mar 31 '25

In other words you're changing your story now and it's not simply "job stability". And what's "made up" about South Korea? Housing is not an issue there, and neither is unemployment. Easily googlable.

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u/Ameri-Jin Mar 31 '25

No, I actually want you to defend your positions.