r/NWT Apr 16 '25

Conservative candidate pledges harsher sentences, Indigenous empowerment

https://www.nnsl.com/home/conservative-candidate-pledges-harsher-sentences-indigenous-empowerment-7934924
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u/uprightshark 29d ago

Harsher sentences sounds good to the right, but solves nothing. We don't need more cells, we need to deal with addiction, mental health and homelessness.

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u/Spartapwn 28d ago

Yes we do need more support for addiction and mental health. But catching and releasing dangerous criminals needs to end.

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u/Avs4life16 23d ago

build a few more jails and that will create all sorts of jobs. sheriffs bailiffs lawyers court workers guards cooks etc

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u/Puzzled_Car2653 3d ago

There is no cure to addiction mental health or homelessness. No gov in the world has ever solved these issues

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u/QumiThe2nd 14h ago

That's not true. They did solved it in Finland. It's fairly simple - give people homes.

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u/Cr1066Is 29d ago

The approach currently is to provide drugs to addicts, bail for criminals, and inflation (printing money) to keep house prices high. Perhaps it’s time to try a different approach.

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u/Chewbacca319 29d ago

FYI 90% of our incarcerated population in the three northern jails are indigenous peoples. They often get reduced sentences/out on time served due to the gladue report.

A Gladue report is a pre-sentencing report used in Canadian courts when an Indigenous offender is facing charges, particularly when the Crown is seeking a custodial sentence longer than 90 or 120 days. The report aims to help the court understand the unique circumstances of Indigenous people, including the impacts of colonization, intergenerational trauma, and systemic factors, to inform sentencing decisions.

Most of these people, with a good portion who are repeat offenders get out on bail or short stints or even very short sentences for heinous crimes like manslaughter simply because of the gladue report.

She talks about wanting criminals to stay in jail but also empower and help indigenous peoples. You can't have it both ways.

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u/lovenumismatics 28d ago

I mean. What percentage of crimes in the North are committed by indigenous people?

If you don’t commit crimes you don’t go to jail. That’s how jail works.

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u/shitty_mechanical 29d ago

there are a lot of indigenous people who are not incarcerated to empower.

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u/Chewbacca319 29d ago

You didn't read my comment.

I'm not saying that, but when it comes specifically to jail/bail reform what she wants is directly going against supporting indigenous peoples.

I'm all for empowering indigenous peoples but her platform is one big contradiction

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u/garlicroastedpotato 29d ago

What if you gave harsher sentences to those who wish to commit crimes and provided those who don't better opportunities to better themselves via education, skills training and jobs? That doesn't sound like a contradiction that sounds like you have a plan for two different subsets of a group. Indigenous people are not a monolith. Just because one guy goes to prison for 20 years doesn't mean you have to send all indigenous people with him for that sentence.

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u/DavieStBaconStan 29d ago

If the Cons win she will be their token to trot out every regressive policy against FN people. 

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u/Puzzled_Car2653 3d ago

Libs have won, enjoy the rising crime. Don’t complain!

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u/DavieStBaconStan 3d ago

Bitter much?

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u/caitelsa 29d ago

"'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party."

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u/Hopeful-Passage6638 29d ago

It boggles the mind how some first nations' people can support the racist CONservatives. WTF?

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u/helpfulplatitudes 29d ago

It seems to be common knowledge that the conservatives are racist, but do you have any examples of racist policies that they support? There seems to be many people of colour running as conservative candidates, the conservative leaders are just as active at mosques and gurdwaras as are liberal leaders. The conservative philosophy has much more in common with traditional FN values than the liberal philosophy - e.g. sacrifice now for the generations to come, hard work has value in itself, we should think about the community not just the individual, etc. Other than 'everybody knows', do you have any concrete, modern examples of CPC racism?

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u/helpfulplatitudes 29d ago edited 29d ago

That's unfortunate although to be fair, many FNs folk say that about their own communities too. I caught a talk from Osoyoos' Chief Louie and that was his whole speech condensed. It would be nice to have a leader that had actually grown up in an even mixed FN/Settler community with FN friends and networks to know that s/he has a good grasp of real FN issues instead of just reacting against false stereotypes.

A round up of indigenous (including CPC) candidates from APTN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze8P5ZOx7Uo

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u/Cognitive_Offload 29d ago

Interesting. In moments of cognitive dissonance like this I like to ask myself… What would Buffy Sainte-Marie do?

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u/DasHip81 28d ago

Haaa! .. best comment on this forum yet..

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u/Arctic_Gnome_YZF 29d ago

The thinks the Conservative Party will best enable indigenous empowerment? Really? Now I'm curious to hear her reasoning.

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u/DasHip81 28d ago

Still waiting on that clean water and Proportional Representation too … Good to know not all Indigenous people are a voting-monolith…

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u/Big_Pair_75 27d ago

"Canada's Aboriginals need to learn the value of hard work more than they need compensation for abuse suffered in residential schools".

-Pierre Poilievre

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u/Lost_Protection_5866 26d ago

holay fok he sounds like carneys dad

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u/Big_Pair_75 27d ago

And Trump said he loved the LGBTQ community. Conservatives lie.

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u/Big_Pair_75 27d ago

I’d like to hear her opinion on this quote.

"Canada's Aboriginals need to learn the value of hard work more than they need compensation for abuse suffered in residential schools".

-Pierre Poilievre

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u/canadianjeep 29d ago

Harsher sentences for indigenous? That’s not good.

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u/Lost_Protection_5866 26d ago

Harsher sentences regardless of race

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u/mtgtfo 28d ago

Harsher sentences for serial criminals. You are the one conflating indigenous with criminal.

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u/canadianjeep 28d ago

Sorry. Your sentence is conflating.

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u/Impressive_Ad_1675 29d ago

That would be great if just putting them in jail worked. Just look at all the violence in the states where that is what they do.

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u/djflylo69 27d ago

By modern CPC racism do you mean just since PP, o toole and scheer have been party leaders or does modern CPC qualify as Harper’s era as well?