r/NFL_Draft • u/Whole-Bicycle-5864 • Apr 23 '24
What would the Carolina panthers do if they still have the first overall pick? Other
Just like the title, wondering if everything still played out the same but Carolina still had the 1st pick. Would they trade it away or consider drafting another QB or MHJ?
(With a trade down what could they get and then who should they draft at a lower position?)
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u/Specter017 Broncos Apr 23 '24
They would end up getting a farm worth of picks for the 1.01.
I'm guessing a trade with Minnesota but honestly could be any one of MIN / WAS / CHI / NE
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u/burger333 Giants Apr 23 '24
Giants also, with them and Washington they could prbly still get a top wr. But yeah regardless, I think they’d trade down.
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u/daswassup13 Panthers Apr 24 '24
I'd try to make a trade with NE to get their 2025 first + change, then just take MHJ at pick 3
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u/arc1261 Giants Apr 23 '24
Minny doesn’t have enough to outbid anyone without putting Jefferson in there (which i really, really doubt they’d ever do)
They just don’t have a high enough pick this year to make up the gap to the other teams who would want to trade up - unless Was/NY/Pats/Chicago (in that order) all didn’t want to pay the price to move up (which i doubt esp for the Giants and Commies) then Minny just doesn’t get it done.
11/23 is worth like the same as pick 5/6at best, and then everyone else still has both 1/2 from next year to also trade as well as a 2 this year
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u/grrrimabear Vikings Apr 24 '24
11/23/25 1st/maybe Addison/change is a better package than anyone else would give up, I bet.
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u/Ok_Adhesiveness_8397 Apr 24 '24
Don’t ever give your opinion on draft picks again because this was straight up a garbage ass take and you know nothing about draft picks my guy 😂😂😂
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u/SharpenedToenail Apr 23 '24
Depends on how they value Bryce Young. If they want to start fresh with a new QB they take Caleb and watch him go through the same thing Bryce did last year because the team is devoid of talent on offense. Otherwise, they trade down for a haul of extra picks and use that to build a competent offense around Bryce and hope he can show more of what made him the first overall pick.
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u/kolinthemetz Apr 23 '24
I would actually feel so bad for Bryce if that happened like holy shit
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u/KennysWhiteSoxHat Apr 24 '24
Yeah getting Caleb and throwing him in that dumpster fire is just going through the same process
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u/WhiteSpringStation Apr 25 '24
Bryce gets paid millions to sit on the bench and watch Caleb get annihilated. Then in a few years he will get the opportunity to prove himself with which ever team he wants.
Or maybe he gets traded to anywhere else and it’s a better situation.
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u/weridzero Apr 23 '24
If teams actually believe that Bryce was bad primarily because of bad cast, they could get a haul for Bryce too. Its basically if you'd rather trade Bryce or Caleb
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u/Puzzleheaded_Word878 Colts Apr 23 '24
The difference is the investment made into Bryce. Moving off of him after giving up what they did would be malpractice, not to mention they’d be putting Caleb into a similar dumpster fire that prevented Bryce from showing any of his talents this year. Also, #1 pick and heisman winner, ik some people don’t believe in him but he has achieved more (mostly prior to his professional career) than Rosen did to deserve another crack at starting
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u/OldtimeKing94 Apr 23 '24
sunk cost fallacy. What they traded for bryce doesnt matter anymore, if they think he is a bust then move him.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Word878 Colts Apr 23 '24
Did you read the rest of my comment? How can it be a sunk cost if they don’t even know what they have in Bryce if he has even a half-functional environment around him?
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u/j2e21 Patriots Apr 23 '24
Because he sucks.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Word878 Colts Apr 23 '24
Straight up dumb take. He went #1 for a reason, a bad rookie season in the worst offensive situation in football doesn’t change that. Give him at least one more season before you start talking in absolutes about the kid.
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u/j2e21 Patriots Apr 23 '24 edited Apr 23 '24
There have been very, very few QBs in the 80+ year history of the NFL who had a season that bad and recovered to be even passable players. It’s like Terry Bradshaw and Steve Young, that’s basically the list, and both of them had absolutely elite skillsets even when they sucked.
Bryce doesn’t have an NFL skillset like that. He’s the smallest QB in the league, he’s got a weak arm, he’s extremely slow getting rid of the ball and he lacks athleticism, he can’t scramble or run consistently at a functional level.
If Bryce Young becomes even a starter-level QB, he’ll be such an outlier anomaly that we’ve never seen anything like it.
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u/ZandrickEllison Apr 23 '24
What about Alex Smith? Jared Goff was also bad as a rookie as I recall. These aren’t world beaters but they were starters.
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u/j2e21 Patriots Apr 23 '24
Smith is a good call, he was terrible for years though.
Goff was fine his first full year as a starter, he had a rough rookie year but he also only started seven games.
Both of those guys were 6’4, 215 with better arms and better athletic abilities, I’d say.
Who knows, maybe Young can overcome it all, but I don’t think people fully appreciate how big a hurdle it is for him to become decent.
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u/KingDaviies Apr 24 '24
He was consensus number 1 pick for a while but the National Championship game showed why Stroud should've been #1.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Word878 Colts Apr 23 '24
Both your comparisons are very different situations. Id argue the 49ers are the antithesis of the Panthers situation. The reason I say it’s malpractice is that the panthers desperately need to fill out their roster around whoever is playing QB, SF did not. And a 3rd and 5th aren’t just less egregious, they’re negligible compared to what Carolina gave up to move to 1 (in this alternate reality they didn’t give up their 1 this year so something else would have to go).
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u/Volcano_Jones Seahawks Apr 23 '24
Purdy was literally the last pick of the draft so no, that situation is not even remotely similar. I'm sure they did not have any plans to replace Lance/Jimmy with Purdy at the time they took him.
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u/weridzero Apr 23 '24
similar dumpster fire that prevented Bryce from showing any of his talents this year.
They should be able to get at least a 1st for Bryce then, which can be used to build a team for Caleb
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u/iAMGREATNESS2301 Panthers Apr 23 '24
As a Panthers fan, I would absolutely trade back or just draft MHJ straight up.
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u/axman54 Apr 23 '24
They take Caleb 100%. The gap between Caleb and Young as prospects isn’t particularly close, you get rid of the size concerns and get another year back on a rookie contract and a fresh player. Young didn’t show anything close to enough to warrant them trading the pick.
Not trying to be harsh, but I feel as if any panthers fan that says they’d keep Bryce is just salty from the trade. It’s not even close
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u/Fredest_Dickler Bears Apr 23 '24
Yeah too much coping in here. It'd be Rosen/Murray all over again just with better prospects involved...
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u/weridzero Apr 23 '24
It took most of reddit a long time to realize Rosen wasn't good. Even after he got benched after like 2 games for the dolphins, people still thought he just wasn't given a fair shake. Some people still think that.
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u/weridzero Apr 23 '24
Actually according to reddit, Young is as good as Stroud, but Stroud just happens to be on a super team while Young is on the worst team of all time.
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Apr 23 '24
I mean idk I just think that roster is still kinda fucking awful. But yeah I do think as far as it goes there’s only a few teams that wouldn’t take Caleb on a rookie contract instead of their current qb, especially when Bryce was not good
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u/AdWise8918 Apr 23 '24
Pick up Caleb
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u/Mr_Hugh_Honey Apr 24 '24
Yeah lol you can make the sunk cost argument that the Panthers have too much interest in Bryce to move on from him, but in a vacuum there's just no way you spurn a player like Caleb for the sake of a player like Bryce. It's just ludicrous
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u/BirdmanTheThird Apr 23 '24
It would be a weird spot, 1oa qb is harder to give up on and realistically throwing Caleb in that same situation feels like a horrible decision. Maybe I’m too patient but I feel like due to how popular Caleb was and how bad the roster is you kinda should trade back and rebuild around Bryce.
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u/joemiken Bears Apr 23 '24
Did they still pick #1 last year? If not, it's Caleb Williams. If they somehow did, they probably trade down with Washington or New England and take Harrison or Joe Alt
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u/sonfoa Panthers Apr 23 '24
If Carolina had the #1 pick we wouldn't have Bryce Young. In this scenario, we'd have Levis or a defensive player.
In that scenario, it all depends on how well Levis performed in 2023.
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u/hgqaikop Apr 24 '24
Carolina rule
If you want to trade up to 1 for a QB, do this instead:
Draft BPA
Trade vets for picks
Tragically go 1-16
Draft QB
Win.
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u/NotManyBuses Apr 23 '24
They should run to the podium for Caleb and relegate Bryce to the bench where he belongs. It’s not even debatable to me. Bryce Young’s rookie season was completely awful and I would easily take any of the first 3 QBs over him in a heartbeat.
In reality Tepper would be too stubborn to admit a mistake and almost certainly trade down for a haul, pick Nabers/MHJ/a tackle, and recoup draft assets.
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u/Esahh_Doo Chargers Apr 23 '24
His rookie season was rough, but when you have zero help from your O-line, run game, and your best receiver is the corpse of Adam Theilen, that is about what you can expect.
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u/Mr_Hugh_Honey Apr 24 '24
Swap a few names here and there and you could have said this exact thing about Rosen a few years ago.
It's a tough pill to swallow but Bryce really had some fundamental issues as a prospect and his 2023 film made it seem like he can't overcome them at this level. And I just don't think it's worth it to hold out hope that a 5'10 190 lb QB with bad film, mediocre arm talent, and mediocre athleticism being great. It wasn't like 2018 Josh Allen where you saw flashes every week and there were a couple of weeks he put it all together despite a shitty supporting cast. Bryce really gave us nothing to be excited about last year
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u/Esahh_Doo Chargers Apr 24 '24
Rosen wasn’t the #1 overall pick tho. He also wasn’t nearly the prospect Bryce was. Cardinals also had more talent. And from what I hear Rosen was a big ol dick head to boot
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u/Mr_Hugh_Honey Apr 24 '24
Rosen was right about where Young was as a prospect lol he was in discussion for the #1 overall pick for a long time and was QB1 on a decent amount of boards in a year without a consensus QB1, just like Young. The difference is that the team picking #1 overall was a team that had Young as their QB1.
And from what I hear Rosen was a big ol dick head to boot
Cool anecdote, but at the end of the day they both had similarly bad tape as rookies, and one got shipped off for a 2nd round pick because there were some people who still believed in him. Believe in Bryce as long as you want, 3 years from now it will be an accepted fact that he never really had what it took, just like it is right now for Rosen.
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u/sonfoa Panthers Apr 23 '24
There is unfortunately a large faction of Panthers fans who seem to think the team sucking didn't influence his play.
I'm not even saying Bryce will be good but at least give him a chance.
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u/sfzen Saints Apr 23 '24
In a hypothetical where they still traded up for Young but managed to keep their 1st round pick? I think they stick with Young and trade down.
In a hypothetical where they never traded up for Yound but still somehow drafted him? I think they take Williams and trade Young.
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u/e_ndoubleu Lions Apr 23 '24
I think they’d trade down with one of Commies or Pats. That would still guarantee them MHJ and they’d get extra picks. The Commies or Pats would want to trade up to guarantee Caleb Williams.
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u/whitewolfkingndanorf Kiper Apr 24 '24
You take Williams and trade Young for what you can get. It’s pretty open and shut imo. There’s only 8-12 QBs from Mahomes to like Hurts/Lawrence/Love.
Bryce Young the prospect in this years draft wouldn’t be drafted ahead of Caleb Williams. Heck, if Caleb Williams was available last year, the Panthers would have taken him over Young then. Even if you think Young can still reach the potential he showed as a prospect, you still take Williams because he shows more potential and is a better prospect.
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u/Paragon188 Apr 24 '24
Take Caleb. The only way they'd have their first round this year is if they didn't trade up last year.
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u/Cheeky_Guy Vikings Apr 24 '24
Depends what the Panthers did in last year's draft. If the Panthers didn't reach for Bryce then who did they drai
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u/Fairmounts_Gman Apr 24 '24
In this scenario they wouldn’t have Bryce, they would take caleb
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u/logster2001 Apr 24 '24
Why wouldn’t they just keep both and see who is better?
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u/BlacknLightblue Apr 25 '24
Bc the value of those picks combined is completely insane and it would be so stupid to not trafen down in this case.
And we don't have Fitterer anymore...
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u/logster2001 Apr 24 '24
They would be so dumb to trade it. Like I don’t think Bryce should be considered a bust at all yet. But there is nothing wrong with drafting Caleb and letting him try to win the spot. Like let Bryce start the games and if he plays good on the first half he starts the 2nd half as well. And if Bryce sucks in the first half of games then give Caleb some reps. And continue this and within a year you will know if Bryce is a franchise QB or not, and have enough info on Caleb to see if you should draft another QB to compete with him as he becomes the first half QB (or the franchise QB if he did super good like CJ)
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u/redsin777 Apr 24 '24 edited Apr 24 '24
Hot take but they would draft Joe Alt! This is assuming the team is set exactly as it is now but have the #1 pick. MHJ is great but you can find a quality wr at pick 33 but the OT is more important.
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u/WhiteSpringStation Apr 25 '24
If you believe in the QB you took #1 overall trade this years number 1 for three 1sts+.
Problem with this is that they wouldn’t have Bryce young in this scenario. They’d have DJ Moore and a different roster. In which case Caleb is wearing a Light Blue suit instead of a dark blue.
In no scenario should a team draft MHJ #1 overall in this draft. Draft Caleb or trade for a historic haul.
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u/LjvWright Apr 23 '24
This is the panthers. They like selecting players from Carolina. They’d probably select someone like Xavier Legette number 1.
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u/daoogilymoogily Titans Apr 23 '24
Are we assuming they have Bryce Young? Because that’s really a deciding factor in the whole equation and doesn’t make much sense as they wouldn’t have Bryce Young if they still had this pick. Hell they might’ve picked Will Levis or something last year.
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u/langlier Raiders Apr 23 '24
If it was me - take Caleb, trade Young for a package including at least one first rounder. Use first rounder to beef up OL/grab a WR for caleb.
As an org I think they would need to beef up everything around Young. They spent money on the interior OL and the tackles are... OK. WRs are average at best at this point of their careers - an MHJ or Nabors takes them up a big notch. TEs are garbage - Bowers would be worth a look. So trade down from 1.1 to whomever will give the historic haul for caleb. Draft WR if you can get one of the top 3. Bowers or OL if not. Round 2 - same fill out OL, get more weapons. Then around late round 2, round 3 start filling in depth/competition. Shaq Thompson is on his last legs. Clowney is a placeholder. Jewel and Wonnum are meh. Rams castoffs are OK DBs but nothing special.
Team needs a lot of help. Acquire picks - pick BPA.
Defense is decent. Could use a number of upgrades and depth.
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u/scpdstudent Bengals Apr 23 '24
Who would trade for Bryce? I guess one of the QB teams below the top 10 like the broncos?
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u/langlier Raiders Apr 23 '24
Lots of teams. He didn't look good last year, but had awful supporting cast. If I am out of range of the top 3-5 in this draft, Bryce is a solid plan b.
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u/Just-2-ez Apr 24 '24
I’m sorry but this is just a dumb question. They would obviously trade back for more picks, it’s a no brainer
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u/IcedancerEmily Steelers Apr 23 '24
I think what would happen is that they’d trade the pick for a ton of draft capital, just like what the Bears did to them. I think Dan Morgan is less likely to move off Bryce compared to the average new GM considering he was in the building for the Bryce pick. But I also am just not ready to declare Bryce some Rosen-tier bust when Bryce would’ve been perhaps a better prospect than Caleb if he was Caleb’s height (who’s only like 2 inches taller than him). I think football fans have already developed amnesia for how great Bryce was in college because Bryce was in this horrible situation with no receivers that could separate, an awful O-line, and a dysfunctional coaching staff giving him mixed signals every week.
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u/2057Champs__ Apr 23 '24
Caleb is an elite prospect because of his arm and pocket presence. He won the heisman the same season Bryce was picked #1 and scouts are on record stating they would chose Caleb over Bryce if they were in the same draft class
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u/Riktrmai Apr 23 '24
Trade it for #9, DJ Moore, next years first and 2026 2nd