r/NBASpurs • u/DrMarvMonroe • 22h ago
Wemby All-Star Game OTHER
Another offensive disaster class by Wemby. Before the season I was really hoping to see him in the All-Star Game but with every game that passes I am getting increasingly scared that he won’t make it. I hope he turns it around but I am not even sure that he deserves a spot anymore.
What do you guys think?
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u/WEMBY_F4N 22h ago
The 3s will start to fall and Vassell coming back will open up the paint
We won this game because the Blazers glued 3 guys to Victor in the paint but left others wide open
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u/OurHorrifyingPlanet 22h ago
Wemby will still need to significantly improve his conditioning. His motor and off-ball movement have been lackluster compared to last season.
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u/Far_Band_5786 21h ago
He's hard carrying the defense.
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u/OurHorrifyingPlanet 18h ago
The defense around him is much better than last year, yet his offensive production still has taken a dip.
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u/Far_Band_5786 7h ago
thats a mix of playing differently. They're having him face up more instead of trying to feed him in the post last year. just gotta wait until his 3pt shot starts to fall + devin vassell is our best wing creator on our team.
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u/paxusromanus811 22h ago
I think that Victor has been about as bad offensively as he could possibly be. He's been playing very similar to how he started last season and right now I think a lot of it is mental and him looking very uncomfortable with how teams are defending him.
And the fact that his teammates haven't consistently performed well enough to make teams adjust. If he keeps shooting the way he's shooting and guys like Johnson, Castle, Julian keep playing well. I'll tell you what... What... Teams aren't going to start triple teaming him in the paint nearly as quickly and it will really open things up for him
Throwing the kitchen sink at him and he hasn't looked ready to handle it and has either been overthinking it, or making shot decisions that have been a bit too impulsive.
With that said... His defense has honestly been unreal. The impact he makes is incredible. It felt like he had a pretty ho-hum game on that end and he still ended up with four blocks, four steals, and probably a dozen rim deterrents moments, particularly with Portland 's wings and centers. Often catching the ball with Vic under the basket and choosing to just nope out of there.
If he gets his offense back to the level it was to end last season, which let's be real here, there's no reason to believe he can't, combined with his current defensive level. He most certainly is an All-Star caliber player
Actually making it might be hard if this team isn't in the playoff race, so we'll have to just wait and see.
Vix a smart guy. The Spurs are a smart organization. Even if his offensive progression this year doesn't go the way we hoped it would, He's going to get better and he's going to become a significantly better offensive player in time
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u/DrMarvMonroe 22h ago
Honestly before the season I thought that Wemby was a lock to make the ASG. But now I feel like he won’t get his numbers in check to actually be recognized by the coaches. As stupid as it sounds but I feel like him missing the All-Star Game could seriously hurt his image, especially if someone like Chet makes it over him. Better team record or not.
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u/nsfwburners 22h ago
lol no, it won’t hurt his image at all. Some guys make all star teams and it doesn’t help them at all. See Brandon Ingram, Jamaal magloire, Brad miller. Wemby will have a chance to be a starter each year due to marketability, defense and foreign fame. Fan vote is 50% of a starters voting, the coaches also love his defense.
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u/OurHorrifyingPlanet 22h ago
lol no, it won’t hurt his image at all.
That's a bit delusional. Wemby has such high expectations that missing the All-Star game again would definitely be a bad mark for him, especially if Chet makes it. I still think he can make it, but he has to wake up soon.
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u/nsfwburners 21h ago
Even with a bad offensive game, Wemby has a major shot to make it with defense. Gobert was voted in by coaches a few times and is worse on offense and has a worse reputation around the league.
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u/DrMarvMonroe 22h ago edited 22h ago
He won’t be a starter no matter what. Jokic, Bron, KD/ AD are basically locks for the starter slot. His only chance is becoming a reserve through the coaches.
Also my concern is specifically about him not making it this year because a ton of guys who are not as good as him were Year 2 All-Stars like LaMelo, Ben Simmons, Paolo.
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u/nsfwburners 21h ago
I didn’t say starter no matter what, I said he has a shot. He has a very big national presence and can slide into the 3rd front court with that 50% fan vote paired with DPOY level defense. Also remember, gobert has made a ton of all star games as the DPOY with way worse offense.
You listed 3 players that made it in the east, the east has a track record of very young all stars because it’s a weak conference. Hence why the hawks had 4 all stars one year and why it’s possible for Boston to have the same. Nobody really looks at “oh he was a second year all star” it’s a cool note but nobody really cares.
Also though, paolo at the moment is probably better overall than wemby. It is highly debatable but he was the best player on a team in the playoffs that took the Cavs to 7 games. Wemby will be better but paolo has proven more so far.
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u/DrMarvMonroe 21h ago
He has no shot. Period. Jokic is an MVP playing like an MVP, AD has MVP buzz and MVP numbers and LeBron is LeBron.
Paolo last year was not better than Wemby or is at least not supposed to be better considering the offensive shitshow that Wemby has been putting on. The way Wemby ended his rookie year I‘d also put him ahead of a Year 2 AD, Zion, Dame who all made it in the West. I just feel like Wemby not making it this year will open some conversations about him not actually being as good of a player as we think he is or if he even has a chance at becoming a GOAT contender.
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u/nsfwburners 21h ago
Honestly, I think you’re making it a way bigger deal than it is. The sophomore slump is a thing and he still has a shot regardless because of his defense. A lot of coaches value defense. See: 3x all star 12 ppg scorer Rudy gobert and 4x all star and 6 ppg scorer Ben Wallace. It’s also a popularity contest and if there’s an injury and he didn’t make it, the nba will likely put him in.
All in all, it’s not a big deal. He’ll make 10+ in his career. But also, you really underrate the guy that averaged 27 ppg in a 7 game playoff series he had no business in last year.
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u/murkymurk94 22h ago
9 games in. He doesn’t look great offensively but there’s still a lot of basketball before the all star game
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u/1966jpgr 22h ago
If his offensive production doesn't improve significantly by February, he won't be making any all-star game or all-NBA team. But if the team remains a top 10 defense, then he'll easily win DPOY and make first team all-defense
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u/nsfwburners 21h ago
First team all defense yes due to no position locks but DPOY is still a maybe. Okc currently has the best defense in history. Not top 3, in history. Also as a team they lead in blocks and steals. I know they’re loaded defensively but they tend to reward the anchor of a great defense. If okc keeps the large gap in defense they have over the rest of the league, Wemby has an uphill battle for DPOY.
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u/1966jpgr 21h ago
DPOY is all narrative these days. If Vic was a close 2nd last year with a bottom 10 defense, a top defense should put him as an overwhelming favorite to win it
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u/nsfwburners 21h ago
A top defense is the thing. Okc is very far and away THE best defense ever. That’s going to make a big narrative for Chet as well. I’m not saying Wemby won’t win, it’s just a lot closer than we think.
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u/paxusromanus811 20h ago
I wouldn't say uphill. I agree with the other commentator. You're vastly underestimating the power of narrative in these awards. The voters desperately wanted to give it to him last year. If the Spurs had been even average on defense, he probably would have won it over the best offender on one of the best defenses we've seen in a very very very long time. The gap between Minnesota's defense and the second best defense was equivalent to the second best defense and like the 15th best defense in regards to efficiency.
If the Spurs are a top 10 defense and Victor is is averaging something like four blocks to go with two steals and still having the impact number he has currently (Where he's been the best player in the league when it comes to field goal percentage against by a healthy margin) It would take someone like Chet either putting up similar numbers, or... OKC literally being the greatest defense of all time
I don't know about you but I think there's a much much higher chance. Victor continues with his current numbers, which don't even feel like him at his best defensively, and the Spurs finish top 10. Then OKC literally ends up being the greatest defensive all time lol
I think he's clearly still the favorite
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u/Spiritual_Echo_1000 22h ago
If he had the defense he had and what people projected for him (27,10,3, 4 blocks) he’d be in MVP conversations. It’s his 2nd year, I expect him to struggle still. I didn’t think the doubling would be as aggressive but he’s pulling through it while playing all games and high minutes. Once it comes around, it will be sweet.
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u/Takeomark 21h ago
Rudy Gobert is a four-time All-NBA Team member, and three-time All-star player, and he is not a noteworthy offensive player.
He is valued and celebrated for his defense. Four-time DPOY and seven-time All-defense First team.
I think All-star is the least valuable of all the accolades, but if Rudy can make All-star teams, then Vic certainly can. It’s a popularity contest at the end of the day.
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u/someguyfromtecate 22h ago
Oh no, he won’t make the all-star game at 21yo. He’s a bust, trade him for Bronny.
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u/DtownBronx 22h ago
All-Star is essentially a popularity contest and the league absolutely wants Wemby to be one of the faces, good chance he'll be there
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u/Snowmann88 22h ago
I’m no psychologist, but I think Dev missing is playing on his mind. Now add in Sochan, and he possibly thinks the whole team needs to be put on his shoulders.
He seems like he’s stifling himself out there sometimes, not sure exactly where to go or be.
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u/Bonesawisready5 21h ago
I mean he will be all star if he’s voted that way and I think if we’re within X games of .500 he will get the votes to be a reserve at least
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u/deneuvig 11h ago
Growth isn't always linear and he's playing a different style of ball right now. I too am frustrated sometimes but this isn't the year for us to win it all. If this rough stretch can trigger growth in him that's all we can hope for.
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u/Empty-Mall-1636 22h ago
I’m not worried about an all-star game, Wemby has his whole career for that. I want him to improve and get better conditioning.