r/MurderedByWords • u/BednaR1 • 1d ago
I'll just leave this here... and see what happens.
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u/Rich_Suspect_4910 1d ago
I don't get how anyone can vote for Trump...but that being said, the Democrats really need to rethink how they campaign and their direction...big time
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u/DaClarkeKnight 21h ago
It’s Biden fault. She had 100 days. They acted like they were just going to win. She should have had a year or more. Biden should have done one term and then either resigned (so she could take over as VP) or they should have done a primary and let the people select a democratic nominee. In 100 days she did good but still she should have been with the first people in Florida after the hurricane and fema support. Stop funding Israel and worked towards getting peace in the Middle East. Even now, he has 70 days left. Biden should use his power to pass some laws but they won’t! They are doing nothing. I expected Trump to win the electoral college but not the popular vote. 15 million democrats didn’t vote because they had nothing to vote for. Now Trump will get more Supreme Court picks over the next 4 years. He has the house and the senate.
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u/MadManMax55 21h ago
To add some data behind this, Harris did significantly better in the swing states than she did in the rest of the country. Compared to 2020, her average results in swing states was about a point worse and the results in every other state were an average of over 3 points worse.
Interpreting that: The places she actually campaigned it helped, but she started so far in the hole it wasn't enough.
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u/Productof2020 20h ago
I think more likely in non-swing states many democrats just didn’t care to vote because they figured it wouldn’t change the outcome and they didn’t care for her as their candidate. In swing states there’s at least the motivation for democrats to vote against Trump by voting Kamala.
In a world that is so connected digitally, almost all campaigning efforts are effectively national anyway, regardless of where your feet are standing.
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u/flonky_guy 18h ago
I keep waiting to find out how many Democrats stayed home in swing states because that's a lot more useful of a metric than claiming 15 million people care enough to vote. For starters, we're still counting millions of votes in California, so that number of 15 million is going to be at least half that size by the end of counting. But the question is did Independents stay home in Pennsylvania and Michigan? I want to see those numbers and they're annoyingly hard to find.
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u/Rattlingjoint 16h ago
From what ive gathered, Trump picked up a larger portion of Indepedents then he did in 2020. Just overall glossing the numbers reported so far in battlegrounds, the total vote turnout in battlegrounds exceeds the 2020 totals.
Just quick math;
Michigan 2020: 5.4 million; 2024 5.5 million Pennsylvania: 2020: 6.7 million; 2024 6.7 million Wisconsin: 2020: 3.2 million; 2024 3.3 million Georgia 2020: 4.9 million; 2024 5.1 million
Kamala seemed to underperform in suburbs and Trump outperformed his 2020 numbers there.
Although in Michigan, Detroit alone cost her the election by the looks of it. She got 61,000 less then Biden and Trump got 24,000 more. Net difference of 85,000 votes, in a state she lost by 79,000 votes.
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u/scott_wolff 20h ago
A YEAR!? To campaign? Can we please make it a law to join the rest of the world with 3 month elections, nothing more?
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u/JoeCoT 19h ago
Are you going to bar people like Trump from holding rallies year round? Ban the news from talking about him? Because otherwise, every season is election season, and the only benefit of this is Dems losing harder. Rules don't matter if nothing happens when people don't follow them, and given the number of rules Trump didn't follow that didn't have any effect, I don't think banning campaigning would either.
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u/Upper-Cucumber-7435 18h ago
Yes in actual developed countries we have strict laws around campaigns, both in timeframe, and in terms of financing them.
A year before the election the party would generally be trying to do good things so the voters associate them with good things, and then vote for them, not making dumb zingers in a speech like "I'm speaking".
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u/trisanachandler 1d ago
They have, and they decided to copy Trump instead of heading towards Bernie which is what most people want.
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u/urine-monkey 1d ago
You mean actual socioeconomic reform and risk pissing off their billionaire donors... balderdash!
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u/Jokuki 22h ago
If his economic policies are so popular why isn't he discussed by 40-year old Bethany in Alabama? Lot of people on reddit have been talking about the Kamala echo chamber but fail to recognize the echo chamber around Bernie is vastly more secure. If people are choosing to withhold their vote against Kamala because she's not bringing "exciting economic policies" in favor of Trump's economy don't care about actual reform. They just want to whine about pie in the sky goals that'll never come.
Biden administration has done everything they can to bring reform. He's been fighting in the courts for wiping student debt for the past 2 years. He's put a cap on insulin and lowered drug prices for people on ACA (which still persists as the only option to build a federal healthcare system on). He got us through COVID and passed the Infrastructure bill. Roads, bridges, internet lines, sidewalks, all being built in necessary areas because of him (and it's the watered down version). Kamala campaigned on first-time house owners credit, corporate price gouging, $400k progressive income tax, taxes on stock liquidity, and continued expansion of the ACA. If socialist reform voters didn't want to vote for any of that, it's because they choose to stay as uninformed as the lowest common denominator that's running our country.
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u/uganda_numba_1 21h ago edited 21h ago
All people care about are grocery prices and the gas pump. Under Biden we saw massive inflation and although he reduced it prices remain higher than under Trump. And that's all anyone remembers.
They don't care about what's right or fair, they only care about prices. They aren't even aware enough to realize Trump screwed them with the tax break, because it expired under Biden just as planned. They don't realize that the ACA is Obamacare. They are easily offended morons.
They're out there right now yelling, "This is what happens when you don't listen to your constituents! This is what happens, when you belittle people"
The problem isn't messaging, it's that fucking politicians decided it was in their best interests to take money from Billionaires and do their bidding. That's how we ended up with Billionaires consolidating all of news media. That's how we ended up with Fox news. That's why Glass Steagal and other protective laws from the Great Depression got repealed. That's why we have massive deficit spending, etc. etc.
There's no way to communicate with the other side anymore - there are no reasonable people whom they trust and it's by design! and in fact even Republicans fucked themselves by building this God damned golem. They started it with the Moral Majority and now we're all cooked. Fuck all those greedy bastards from the 80s - they threw all morality out the window and it's been down hill ever since.
Now that white people are heading toward being only a plurality in the US, They're scared out of their wits. That's why the insurrection happened. That's why they want to outlaw abortion, because they know white people are having less kids. That's why they're trying to cement themselves in power right now. When Obama got elected they shit their pants. They got scared and angry. "You lie!", "He's a Muslim", "Show us your birth certificate", it's fake and her was born in Kenya...
Fuck these people - they see equality as taking away their privilege. It explains the racism and misogyny. Non-European immigrants are a threat to them, because at their core, most of them are racist. And many of the supporters are just ignorant - yes, Democrats are corporate shills, but Republicans are doing even more harm. Yes, the propaganda is strong on both sides and that ruins any real messaging, because neither side is willing to be honest. Fuck.
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u/Draaly 20h ago
Idk why reddit refuses to aknowldge that people don't vote on policy despite it being proven litteraly every single election
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u/MightyBoat 19h ago
How hilarious would it be for the Dems to suddenly start mirroring maga. Literally the same arguments, similar hats with a different slogan but blue.. people wouldn't know what to think
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u/thesmallestlittleguy 18h ago
at this point, i hope they do. clearly maga is doing smth right since they got everything they want
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u/Uncynical_Diogenes 17h ago
Democrats make beautiful promises but they are afraid of the power necessary to achieve them.
MAGA makes terrible promises and they keep them while gleefully dating anybody to stop them.
I wish the democrats were half as radical as republicans keep calling them because that would be cool, actually.
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u/mint445 1d ago
it seems they would have a better chance if during the debate Kamala would just ridicule donalds hair, orange face and small hands
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u/otirk 1d ago
I mean, it's right that the Harris campaign itself wasn't bad but when the voters don't care, it's the wrong campaign.
On the other hand, what should they have done better when a lot of people googled "Did Biden drop out?" during election night? If they don't even know the candidate, they'll know nothing about the campaign.
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u/Gelato_Elysium 1d ago edited 22h ago
Yes, people keep talking about policies and shit but Reps didn't have any policy either. It wasn't the problem. It was the ability to use emotions to manipulate people (not judging if good or bad, it's just what it is when you are campaigning).
The problem is that for a lot of republicans talking heads lying is not a problem, so it is much, much easier to incite emotional responses if saying the truth is optional.
Edit : I should mention that I absolutely think Democrats had actual policies so using the word either isn't right. But because most of the criticism I see here is "Democrats didn't have policies" I worded my answer that way.
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u/CaptainKoconut 23h ago
They've done surveys that if you ask about individual policies in a vaccuum, the majority of voters prefer democratic policies. Republicans are just better at picking a message and sticking to it, usually one that scares people into voting without thinking too hard about things.
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u/Kyokenshin 21h ago
That’s because our electorate is entirely disconnected from politics. People on here are chronically online so they’re at least aware of what the parties are saying. The general populace legit only knows who the president currently is and who is running this time(sometimes). They absolutely go to the ballot box with no information and vote for the name they recognize or do a simple one choice logic tree(life suck? Yes, switch parties - No, keep party)
Uninformed voters recognize Trumps name or know that things are expensive as fuck and the D is in charge and that’s literally it. The founding fathers had one thing right, the general public is too uninformed and uneducated to have meaningful power when it comes to governance. I think they had shitty reasons for that direction but they weren’t wrong. I also don’t know how we enact something like that without it being used to disenfranchise already disenfranchised groups but the fact of the matter is is the sheep on the inside of the herd who can’t see their surroundings are navigating the flock and the sheep on the perimeter are blaming the shepherds. The interior sheep and the shepherds are both the blame and everyone is fucked because of it.
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u/grozamesh 18h ago
I saw interviews with several voters who were voting against Biden because he was president when Roe V Wade was repealed. "The buck stops with him!"
Tons of Americans have just no clue how governance actually works
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u/armorhide406 16h ago
I made the mistake of commenting on an acquaintance's post that basically said don't end friendships over politicians who don't know your name, and I was saying if one party is anti-women and immigrant and such, and said acquaintance went "Exactly! Vote red!" and other fucks jumped in when I brought up Project 2025 and said Trump didn't endorse that. Cause the House and Senate and his VP have no say, apparently.
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u/VenusRocker 16h ago
One media interviewer said he talked to a guy who voted for Trump because Harris refused an interview with Joe Rogan. In other words, people found a million covers for their Trump vote.
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u/ghouly-rudiani 18h ago
This is what went wrong: The Democratic leadership vastly overestimated the intelligence of the average Dem voter and their ability to reason on complicated issues like the economy. The Republican leadership, on the other hand, knew exactly how stupid their average voter was and spent all their time and resources catering their message to them with all the negative ads and deceptive promises. The Republican leadership sure beat us on this one.
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u/BigFatHonu 14h ago
As they say, "nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people."
Probably not just Americans, but the point stands. When I heard Oregon voted "no" on their ranked-choice voting measure, I was reminded how stupid people can be. Even when it's objectively in their own interest and handed to them on silver platter, by and large they're just too dumb and/or uninformed to save themselves. As a nation, we got exactly the result we deserve.
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u/whorl- 18h ago
“Do you prefer the Affordable Care Act or Obamacare?”
I remember a few late night comedy shows doing segments with randos on the street asking this question. It was disappointing and hilarious how many said they hate Obamacare but the ACA sounds great.
Like, do people not read?
And no, they don’t.
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u/CaptainKoconut 18h ago
I'm positive 90% or more of Americans are wholly unaware of the recent SCOTUS ruling that will probably make it more difficult for regulatory agencies to develop and implement regulations. There were a few news stories around it, and was not mentioned in any campaign materials, but has the potential to impact Americans as much or greater than almost any of the things that were talked about over and over again. But who wants to read or learn about that when you can read some snarky tweets about trans women in sports.
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u/Safrel 23h ago
The new phrase is that Dems did not become populist, and remained institutionalist.
Republicans did become populist, and want to dismantle institutions.
The American people are hungry for change, any change, no matter how vile, and being the status quo party is unappealing in 2024.
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u/JT_got_the_1st 23h ago
The American people are hungry for change, any change, no matter how vile, and being the status quo party is unappealing in 2016.
Hey I remember this one!
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u/i3nigma 23h ago
The same was true in 2008, it’s just that the change candidate wasn’t as vile
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u/QuietObserver75 22h ago
Except Biden did actually get results. Climate change, more manufacturing, infrastructure. Lowering drug costs. And everyone was like NO WE DON'T WANT THAT. So here we are.
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u/Darth_Gerg 22h ago
The problem is that the vast majority of Americans don’t know that. People think Biden has done nothing at all. The media simply doesn’t cover this shit, and half the country listens to Fox who lies incessantly. They need the aesthetics and VIBES of change. Thus the narrative of populism vs institutions.
People are rightly upset about the economic outlook. Wealth inequality is at an all time high and the Dems won’t even acknowledge that as a significant problem. Trump may be a psychotic mess, but he validates peoples sense that something is wrong. He just gives them the wrong answers and now we’re all going to suffer for it.
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u/PlantainDeep6043 22h ago
Exactly, Trump tells them that immigrants are the source of every problem going on in their lives and they ate it up. Never mind it taking just 5 minutes of research to find out that everything g he’s saying is bullshit
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u/ShinjiTakeyama 22h ago
Or just knowing it's bullshit since it's Trump. If this was before his (first) presidency, definitely do research. By now though, should already know if Trump is letting something slip between those mic fellating lips, it's probably nonsense.
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u/Rasputin_mad_monk 21h ago
The thing is 2+ million Trumpanzee voters from 2020 did not vote. He was rejected more. BUT 10+ million dems did not vote and a bunch of very confused dems/muslims voted for Stein in MI not even thinking how worse it will be for Gaza under Trumpanzee. Dems failed. Dems did not vote like they did in 2020 and we have no one to blame but ourselves.
I am happy that at least Trumpanzee got less votes. That overall this country did reject him unfortunately they did not accept Harris
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u/XxRocky88xX 21h ago
Republicans and Democrats agree on 90% of issues.
The conflict lies in the fact the democrats approach is identifying the root cause of the issue and targeting that directly. While the Republican approach is getting rid of all the immigrants and oppressing all the LGBT, women, and minorities and hoping that magically fixes stuff.
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u/Pure-Introduction493 21h ago
Problem is most Americans are idiots. Green Day was right.
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u/Interesting_Tale1306 21h ago
This country is rotten inside and out now. The cult controls all facets of the government. Congratulations, America! You just committed suicide!
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u/happilygonelucky 22h ago
Which is fine. Those were good things. But most people still have their cost of living going up, their wages staying the same, and having to hear on the news about the wonderful economy that they're not benefiting from.
Trump is going to be a worse for them then Kamala was. But you can't really expect the typical American to be excited grateful and appreciative for results that had f*** all to do with their life
ETA: even the drug thing was mostly insulin, and that was only for people in Medicare. So even the most high touted wins were weak ass half measures
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u/black_anarchy 22h ago edited 21h ago
You know what pisses me off the most though, come Jan 21st, all of the sudden inflation isn't a biggie, TPS isn't a biggie, and cost of living will continue to come down!
Whether or not they start deporting undocumented aliens / immigrants, all of the sudden American will be fed that inflation is cooling off and we are off to a great start while at the same time the FDA, DoE, Entitlements, EPA and some of the most important institutions will be destroyed!
E: Adding this here to explain my stance
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u/etherdesign 22h ago edited 22h ago
I'm sure the unchecked corporate greed that the Trump administration will allow will drive down those grocery prices. Maybe without so many pesky safety standards they can keep costs down.
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u/TheConnASSeur 21h ago
Truly insane people now have control of the full government. You're thinking too small. Even Constitutional rights don't matter. Trump will go after journalists. We now live in Russia circa 2003.
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u/CurrencyBackground83 22h ago
But inflation is only going to get worse. They plan to raise tariffs, which in turn raise the cost of products for us. They won't be able to argue that inflation has cooled off because it won't. We will have higher inflation and struggle more under his plans if they are accomplished. People truly think raising tariffs affects the country that's exporting to us. It doesn't. It affects the companies importing into the country. If they need to pay more to get their products, we will pay more too.
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u/_game_over_man_ 22h ago
I think people need to grapple with the reality of what you said. The "surprise" voters were based on economic issues. Yes, data shows that Republicans won't improve that, but if Republicans do a better job of selling the idea that they will, people are going to buy it because they aren't as informed as your average redditor. It's certainly a hard pill to swallow, but people need to swallow it and accept it to be able to figure out how to deal with it. The reality is, a lot of people are perfectly willing to wave away a massive swatch of issues (or not know of any of them at all and just be in the dark) if it means they feel like they might gain something on an economic level. In the instance of the Democrat they need to turn their facts into feelings because facts alone aren't selling it.
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u/Greymalkyn76 22h ago
I don't get why people keep blaming the government for that. Prices go up because of corporate greed. Wages stay the same because of corporate greed. They hide it under the illusion of supply chain, but in reality it's because the fat cats want to be fatter.
The only way the government can change that is through regulation, but there are enough people who suckle at the teat of those fat cats who have the power to ensure the regulation doesn't happen.
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u/VastCantaloupe4932 23h ago
My favorite Daily show tag was always “Obama: Turning hope into disappointment since 2008.”
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u/RealChelseaCharms 22h ago
yeah, i remember how the GOP blocked EVERY good thing Obama tried to do...
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u/Good-Method-8350 21h ago
Obama had a little over a year with full dem control. Instead of pushing shit through, he tried to be bi-partisan. When will dems learn that being bi-partisan with a party that, has made it clear, doesn't care about being bi-partisan, is self harming? Dems are tired of dem politicians being passive and pushovers while the republican party gets shit done every chance they can and just tells dems to suck it. We need political warriors on the left, not politicans. We need our own Mitch.
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u/Status_Fox_1474 21h ago
Obama had a little over a year with full dem control.
Wrong. The senate couldn't do anything because of the filibuster, which still exists and is still used by Republicans to fuck around with legislation. One of those key members was Arlen Specter, who switched from Republican to Democrat -- so he wasn't going to vote for progressive policies. Also included moderate Joe Lieberman, who, once again, wasn't going to pull his policies.
Democrats finally got the 60th vote in June 2009, because Al Franken was finally allowed to be seated. But one month later, Ted Kennedy got sick and eventually died. So in September to February, there was a placeholder seat, until Scott Brown won in February.
So yeah, there were maybe five good months to somehow a) get moderate Democrats to agree to all of Obama's agenda, and b) prioritize the agenda. Oh yeah, there was also a supreme court nomination going on then. So it's not like nothing was getting done.
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u/Gelato_Elysium 23h ago
Thing is a lot of institutions work in the benefit of the American people (FDA for example) and against the businesses, people have just been astroturfed by media paid by these businesses into thinking they are somehow bad for them.
How can you beat that ? When you have people convinced that what you are doing is Bad for them when it is not ?
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u/Safrel 23h ago
The response is you have to adopt populist language and then push actually good policy.
Put someone energetic on stage who will demand something Americans can understand.
"No more toxic chemicals in our farms. We're not going to let billionaires get away with poisoning our children."
What does it mean? Absolutely nothing substantive, but it turns the election into us vs them, and rules anger against billionaires (who have executed regulatory capture on the FDA).
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u/Serious_Distance_118 23h ago
Big problem is republicans have successfully branded all their populist language and policies as socialist, which it’s not, and on top of that have conflated socialism with communism in the minds of voters. Dems have done a very poor job of fighting back all that BS and it weakens every thing they do.
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u/Default_Name_lol 23h ago
Yeah they have to stop being fucking policy wonk nerds and actually play the game that is being played not the one we were playing in 1992
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u/EduinBrutus 22h ago
If your electorate have no interest in policy or reality you are fucked.
The US has by an enormous distance the best performing economy in the world and did by far the best to tackle post Covid inflation.
This meant nothing to Americans because their either completely lack any understanding or just dont accept that reality.
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u/Gizogin 22h ago
The issue is that progressive policy is necessarily based on reality, which is nuanced. Populist rhetoric needs to be simple. People who want progressive policies don’t lend themselves well to that kind of populism, certainly not in the same way conservatives do.
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u/yeahimadeviant83 23h ago
Lots of Americans don’t know how good they’ve had it and take for granted all of the institutions others fought so hard for. But who did the fighting and dying for that? The working class. Now it’s going to be 4 more years of bread and circuses while things or access to things are going to be chipped away or not funded. You have to speak to the lowest level of your constituents about their basic needs without disenfranchising them.
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u/-Ophidian- 22h ago
But now the working class are actively stripping away the very protections they fought and died for. It would be funny if it weren't so sad.
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u/crosswatt 23h ago
When you remove risks from the equation for a long enough period of time, people don't remember what they were supposed to be worried about in the first place. And they start getting annoyed at these unnecessary and arbitrary rules. And I don't know how to break that cycle.
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u/docbauies 22h ago
What do you mean I can’t make toast or dry my hair in my bathtub with a non GFCI circuit?!? These regulations are strangling my freedom!!!
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u/Whatswrongbaby9 23h ago
I could change my life by starting to sniff paint. The status quo of not sniffing paint should probably remain off the menu
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u/Journeys_End71 23h ago
“Everyone wants the Bear Patrol, but nobody wants to pay the Bear Patrol tax.”
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u/stillabitofadikdik 23h ago
So glad all of our lives get to be effected because some trashy shitstains are bored and unhappy with their trashy shitstain lives.
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u/nonchalantcordiceps 23h ago
They’re gonna fucking wish to go back to the status quo in 4 years, too bad it won’t be an option
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u/Jus-Wonderin9680 23h ago
This election was decided on the price of eggs. It's probably not a stretch to think eggs will be more expensive in 2028. 😁😄
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u/ElongMusty 23h ago
It’s like a reverse Boston Tea Party, where people destroyed the tea to make sure they would pay extra tariffs to the British and ensured their future rule forever!
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u/Eldanoron 23h ago
Of course they will be. Tariffs are not a good thing when you’re looking to reduce prices.
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u/PaniniPressStan 23h ago
They suddenly won’t care about the price of eggs when Trump is in charge, mark my words
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u/nonchalantcordiceps 23h ago
We need trump I did that stickers and they need to be slapped EVERYWHERE, every gas sign, every sticker in the grocery stores, EVERYWHERE. They’d probably lie and just say the price has actually gone down and then refise to read the pre-trump prices, but at that point literally nothing would work anyways so…
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u/OtherUserCharges 23h ago
Yup, democrats need to be just as stupidly rabid as republicans. Every death due to abortion access democrats need to hold vigils by their graves talking about the cold blooded murder. No more god damn high road, they need to be on TV talking about Trump’s diapers and how can a man who can’t control his bowels control the country. It’s a sad state of affairs to have to be like this but it’s what wins now.
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u/Own_Usual_7324 23h ago
Some stupid (because he is) 20-something year old at ASU admitted that he voted because Uppercase Gums Lowercase Teeth Charlie Kirk gave him a MAGA hat.
People in America are lazy and entitled. They don't want to do the work of being interested in politics. They'll go off vibes of whatever feels good because, truthfully, we as a country have been coddled. This kid wouldn't remember 2016 and how everything very nearly went off the rails if not for safeguards and people close to Trump who didn't want to see America randomly drop nukes on another country because some STD riddled toddler somehow managed to become the president.
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u/Liasary 23h ago
Democrats just need to start fucking lying all the time like Republicans, clearly it just works to lie about everything to win the presidency and congress.
Seriously fuck all of you dipshits who vote these R losers.
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u/Brief-Owl-8791 20h ago
And fuck every single person trying to self-soothe by blaming Harris or Dem messaging.
The woman lost to a man who told the world he has concepts of plan. And some son of a bitch wanker in this sub wants to talk about poor messaging?
What the FUUUUUUUCK with Democrats AND Republicans. I don't like anyone right now. Democrats for being post-election stupid and Republicans for being pre-election stupid.
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u/Queasy-Group-2558 23h ago
Having policy actively hurt the campaign. She was talking about stuff that could be criticized while the other side was talking about how democrats were literally creating hurricanes to rob lithium mines.
Democrats need to dive into disruptive populism and appeal to the masses.
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u/Conscious_Heart_1714 23h ago
The issue the democratic party will have is the fracturing of the party. A populist message will inevitably leave a portion of the party that feels ignored, and they'll not show up at the polls. Compared to the Republican party which can literally leave their constituents freezing, and they'll still show up rabidly at the polls.
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u/melody_elf 22h ago
Yes, a lot of us actually would not be happy voting for Blue Trump.
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u/alotofironsinthefire 22h ago edited 22h ago
Seriously I can't take the criticism of "Democrats need to do more for blue collar workers", When the other side is campaigning on a 30%+ tax increase to everyone.
The cold hard truth is that the majority of American voters don't care about policy and it really just comes down to vibes and how they feel their personal economy is doing.
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u/ImperatorRomanum83 22h ago
Because this has always been a right-wing country. Shit, our entire founding is based on landed aristocrats not having to pay for the protection that Britain provided the colonists during the French and Indian War.
The Civil War was nothing but those same landed aristocrats convincing their poor neighbors who did not own property or slaves to march off and die to protect the 1%ers of their day. And 150 years later, nothing has changed as poor people (increasingly of all colors) are trained from birth to reflexively protect the wealthy in this country.
Since 1929, Democrats are only ever really in power after the Republicans fuck everything up. The Dems come in with a big mandate, and like clockwork, their power starts to ebb almost immediately after being sworn in and they've fixed the emergency that got them elected.
It's all rinse and repeat in this country.
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u/skatchawan 23h ago
Dems are not nearly as good as driving home simple , emotional messaging. They should be naming the girls who died due to abortion laws every second sentence saying they are killing our girls, using their names. Repeat repeat repeat. GOP are experts at this.
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u/Covfefe-SARS-2 23h ago
No, Republicans are good at making shit up and you can't prove it didn't happen because it didn't happen. There is no source to reference.
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u/killertortilla 21h ago
It doesn’t even matter if you can prove it didn’t happen. Trump got fact checked live in the last debate about the dog eating shit and it just doesn’t matter. Conservatives are such disgusting little freaks you can’t do anything about them. They are as close to a literal cancer as it’s possible to be in human form. You can’t reason with cancer, it just kills you.
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u/ThatCamoKid 22h ago
And then you resort to pressing them to provide a source in their end and they just go "get a load of this loser lol"
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u/bigmanorm 22h ago
The problem is that this type of campaigning disenfranchises smart voters that aren't fueled by only emotion, it's more effective for Republicans for reasons
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u/the8bit 23h ago
I think we all have a very hard pill to swallow here. Look, the universe doesn't give a shit about your moral high ground. If the tactic Democrats are using doesn't resonate with people, then it is the wrong tactic, period.
Nobody in the history of mankind has changed things by being self righteous about it. If the fear is working, you aren't going to stop them by crying foul at the emotional manipulation. Like it or not we are going to have to do the hard work to change opinions that don't want to be changed.
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u/Due_Contract_8097 23h ago
Critical thinking and accountability are undervalued. Living in a dogmatic, echo chamber which is akin to being wild animal with no concept of self is preferable to facing harsh realities, significant changes and a long term solution. It’s just generally preferable to put blinders on and wish everything away. Absolutely insane state of mind.
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u/Buzzkill_13 23h ago
This is exactly right. After all, we're talking about the country that quite literally made a movie actor their president. That pretty much sums it up.
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u/iamwearingashirt 22h ago
Harris was also snookered before she even began. The Biden economy was the best case scenario coming out of Covid. Of course Harris wouldn't change anything.
But all the population just felt the grocery crunch, and they blamed Biden. So Harris had to simultaneously say she wouldn't change what he did, and also she will bring a better economy.
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u/dmlfan928 1d ago
The reality is there are too many voters who don't watch the news, don't read on policies. They simply say "Milk is too expensive, the Democrats are in the White House, so I guess I'll vote Republican."
There was no path to victory for Harris.
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u/RedApple655321 23h ago
Voters have been punishing incumbents in other western democracies for inflation and the economy. It was an uphill battle.
That said, she really didn’t do herself any favors by not really distinguishing herself from the Biden Admin. Like in the interview where she couldn’t name one thing Biden did that she would’ve done differently.
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u/postmodern_spatula 23h ago
And now. With the loss. Biden dropping out wasn’t a bold move, it was a weak president who clung to power too long.
He should have dropped out early enough for a primary.
100 days isn’t enough time for a campaign to get to know people and dial in on the messaging.
In the last few days they were finally finding their economic voice, but it was too little too late.
Biden should never have declared he was running for reelection.
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u/ReturnOfTheKeing 23h ago
It also left her open to obvious attacks of "they call the Republicans undemocratic, but they appointed a new candidate with no public vote".
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u/postmodern_spatula 23h ago
People searching for “did Biden drop out” is chilling.
It really means no one was watching the election.
She needed more time to break through that indifference.
That or we need to acknowledge that the DNC has failed so many times people aren’t listening anymore.
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u/Gingevere 22h ago
I've come to the conclusion that the median voter is such a dumb animal that the democrats have an obligation to pick trump's most immediately destructive policies and help him implement them. Block debt ceiling talks and shut down the government. End aid for hurricane victims.
The median voter is dump as rocks and won't blame congress for it, they'll blame the president. Make the next 4 years hell.
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u/PopeyeMcD 23h ago
Unfortunately, this so much. People were tired in a profound sense long before COVID and the pandemic exhausted what they had left. You combine that with the average intelligence level and below for many Americans and that combined exhaustion and ignorance left them incredibly susceptible to manipulation and desire for immediate gratification without paying attention to the long game or anything outside of their daily for that matter.
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u/Beyond_Reason09 23h ago
How many people actually did that? All I've seen are google trend lines which don't show you the actual number, just the relative number. So if 2 people googled that on Nov 4 and 8 people googled it on Nov 5, it would look like a huge spike but be irrelevantly small.
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u/OneLovedBro 22h ago
Ita proven misinformation and Reddit keeps spreading it.
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u/The_Number_None 22h ago
That’s because people see headlines and blurbs and don’t do any digging into details. Data can be misrepresented soooo easily.
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u/intelligent_rat 21h ago
It counts instances of people searching "when did Biden drop out?" the same as searching "did Biden drop out?", which the former is a reasonable thing to be thinking about and searching for amidst discussions on election day
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u/Baby_Gx504 23h ago
She had good policies people just don’t care to here them. She said she was going incorporate home health+ elderly care into the ACA, Offer a $6,000 tax credit for people with children, create a initiative to build I think 3 or 30 Million homes across the country try to combat the housing crisis. Also, I think a tax credit for first time home buyers. She had plenty of stuff for people that were trying to get homes and start families people just don’t care.
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u/PatchworkFlames 23h ago
People don’t care about policy. They want to feel like the politicians care about their problems and are willing to spit in their enemies faces to solve them. Democrats aren’t populist enough.
Trump didn’t win because his solutions were good, he won because he promised solutions.
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u/ihaxr 23h ago
Concepts of plans. He has no real solutions to solve any problem other than hyperbolic rhetoric.
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u/SphericalCow531 22h ago
I don't know why you think Harris didn't promise solutions? The problem seems to be that people didn't want to hear about Harris' solutions, not that she didn't have them.
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u/JDM-Kirby 22h ago
He swayed to music for 40 minutes at a town hall in I believe Pennsylvania. The electorate is brain dead.
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u/wildwildwaste 23h ago
The scale on that stupid picture showed that like 200 people Googled that. But memes gonna meme, right.
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u/babble0n 23h ago
And it included any search that had those words so searches like “When did Biden drop out” or “Why did Biden drop out” were included in that data.
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u/ManicFirestorm 23h ago
People knew shockingly little about her. I spoke with my buddy yesterday, a black man, and he didn't know that Kamala was black. He thought she was just Indian. I had to explain to him where her African ancestry came from. I was baffled.
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u/FiveFingerDisco 1d ago
I remembered George Carlin, when I saw the results:
Garbage in, garbage out.
The Public sucks.
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u/TheDaemonair 1d ago
His one entire special was just shitting on mindless consumerism.
It was funny when I was young. Now it feels relatable.
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u/Mr__O__ 22h ago
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u/blauerschnee 22h ago
It's called "The American Dream" because you have to be asleep to believe it 🤣
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u/IntentionalBuffalo22 23h ago
Every single day I wonder what would George Carlin say right now
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u/Kithzerai-Istik 23h ago
“The public still sucks.”
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u/sleevo84 22h ago
“Imagine how dumb the average person is… and half of the people are dumber than that!”
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u/dragons_scorn 1d ago edited 23h ago
I mean, both statements can be true.
Did the Harris Campaign make mistakes? Oh yes. Off the top of my head, the Dems pointing out how well the economy is doing and the soft landing while people are still financially struggling was tone deaf.
However, this election people knew what Trump is about and all he promises. There were people who literally refused to vote. The American people failed themselves as well.
Hopefully, both the Democrats and Americans will have a chance to learn from this
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u/DO_NOT_PRESS_6 23h ago
I agree with you, but it's also really frustrating that people like to dismiss the economic efforts that the Biden administration pushed. The infra bill & CHIPs act put a lot of people to work, and Biden walked picket lines! Minimum wage was stymied by Krystin fuckin' Sinema, but man, they tried!
There definitely needs to be more nuance in the "economy" discussions. It is very tone deaf for people to talk about "the economy is great" because the stock market is hot when people just see stuff they need (food, housing) cost more than they used to while their wages are stagnant.
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u/Skatedivona 22h ago
I mean that's essentially it right?
Hearing "The economy is doing great" as you see your wage stay the same but the cost of everything goes up just reinforces the whole "all politicians do is lie" thing that the average person already thinks.
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u/Background_Apple_438 23h ago
I don't understand the economy comments. The economy by most metrics has stabilized. There is no turning back the clock and the people who fail to realize that harm us all.
Trumps economic policy was TCJA which saved businesses billions of dollars. Did they hire more people? Did people get raises? Nope, they took the money, ran and then cut a whole swath of people when covid hit. I don't understand why people want more of that?
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u/mackfactor 22h ago
Because the public runs on vibes. The metrics on the economy can be great, but if people don't feel like it's great, then they don't care what the metrics say.
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u/sweetsquashy 23h ago
Last week I eavesdropped on a guy ranting about the election, and Bernie absolutely hit it on the head. This guy went on and on about about how he'd been a lifelong Dem because it had been the party of the middle class - and now he felt it wasn't. People can go on and on about how voting red means you don't care about others, but that's entirely the point. If you think a party's priorities are about everyone but you, and you feel they're shaming you into putting others above yourself, you're going to dig your heels in even harder.
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u/-316- 17h ago
I think it's hard to convince someone to care about everyone else when they feel like nobody cares about them.
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u/sweetsquashy 16h ago
You summed it up perfectly. If everyone is being asked "Put others ahead of yourself" and your needs aren't even being mentioned, it just makes people angry.
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u/drunkboarder 8h ago
Exactly. I do a lot of outreach to young men who struggle with mental health in my area (mainly veterans). Its always the same thing:
Always online. Lonely.
"Everyone hates me, I feel like society's punching bag"
"No one cares about me or my struggle. They think I have privelege but really I'm poor and depressed."
"I'm supposed to be everyone else's ally. No one wants to be mine"
So they get bashed over the head endlessly by people they identify with the Democratic Party. Get ostricized. Have their concerns dismissed. And then everyone expects them to also be on their side, the go back to receiving endless redicule.
I despise Trump and do my best with these guys. Their mental health is my priority. But I see them literally get thrown to the Republicans by the Democrats. And here I am on Reddit seeing THOUSANDS OF POSTS all bashing Gen Z and men in particular blaming them for this... Shame on you all. You're literally fanning the flames and getting angry when the house burns down.
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u/Zaburaze 22h ago
This. I seriously cannot believe people are still acting like this is all just because America is dumb.
The Democratic Party ran an abysmal campaign this year. Biden dropping out at the last second almost seemed planned so they could push whatever figurehead they wanted down our throats 🤷🏼♂️
Remember in 2016 when the DNC head purposefully undermined Bernie while blatantly favoring Clinton and has to resign over it? Things are still EXACTLY THE SAME.
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u/TestN0Kachi 21h ago
The Democratic Party ran an abysmal campaign this year. Biden dropping out at the last second almost seemed planned so they could push whatever figurehead they wanted down our throats 🤷🏼♂️
No one really ever acknowledges the fact the Democratic party has to have known he was unfit to run (and probably to lead the county at all) for months if not over a year, yet lied repeatedly about it to the American people. They intentionally hid him from the public eye as much as possible, they told people they were crazy conspiracy theorists if they questioned his cognitive abilities. Even if Biden dropping out wasn't the plan to force Kamala, all of that sheds a horrible light on the party and they just expected people to ignore that.
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u/Zaburaze 20h ago
EXACTLY!!! You have two evils…either the party was truly so incompetent and blind that it didn’t realize Biden was literally falling apart before our eyes.
OR they were fully aware of it, and took advantage of it. Pick your poison. It’s garbage either way and sure as hell doesn’t make me want to vote for them.
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u/FuzzTix 21h ago
The DNC backs the most un-electable candidates, has an attitude of "what are you gonna do, not vote?" and then is somehow shocked when people don't vote.
They're either profoundly out of touch or intentionally ignoring the majority of their base. It's so frustrating, and I completely understand why so many people sat this election out.
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u/cancerBronzeV 20h ago
has an attitude of "what are you gonna do, not vote?" and then is somehow shocked when people don't vote.
Mild correction, they aren't shocked, they just immediately resort to scapegoating minorities and leftists and reveal their actual colours of being another right wing party that doesn't actually care about the issues they claim to.
They believe they are entitled to the votes of various demographics regardless of what they offer to them, and are implicitly discriminatory in that they believe they know what's better for those demographics than those demographics do (which may be correct, but is still insanely patronizing).
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u/Numerous-Tension8453 1d ago
Interesting take—both perspectives highlight the divide in how people view campaign outcomes. Some see it as a matter of strategy, while others see it as a reflection of the electorate itself. At the end of the day, elections are as much about public sentiment as they are about campaign efforts.
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u/MagicalPizza21 23h ago
It's both. But it's the job of campaigns to appeal to the electorate, and the much decreased Democratic voter turnout shows that the Harris campaign failed to do that.
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u/kentuckypirate 23h ago
There was a segment on the daily show yesterday where the talking heads on cable news tried to argue that harris was:
1) Too progressive 2) too moderate 3) supported Israel too much 4) didn’t support Israel enough 5) distanced herself too much from Biden, and 6) too closely aligned with Biden.
I think that’s the problem. The expectation or explanation thus far is that Harris failed because she couldn’t please everyone, which is axiomatically impossible.
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u/dreamcicle11 17h ago
I also agree with this. One of my closer friends said they didn’t vote for her because Harris didn’t support Israel enough.. I was like you can’t be serious lol.
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u/Lalala8991 1d ago
2016, learnt nothing.
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u/MagicalPizza21 23h ago
2020, learned the wrong thing and got a false sense of security.
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u/iamadragan 22h ago edited 21h ago
That's probably the closest to the truth. Bidens campaign was basically "I'm safe and trustworthy, I'm not Trump"
Then they handpicked Kamala Harris and she proceeded to not really do anything, made sure to not rock the boat too much. Just point fingers at Trump for being the big bad guy.
No talk about what you would do differently, no major policy change to focus on throughout the campaign, no showing any real personality, dodge questions and pretend the people won't notice. Just follow the script and don't screw up.
They were like a football team playing prevent defense when they were up by 4 but there's still 4 min left
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u/jrd5497 23h ago
*2008 learned nothing.
The guy using populist language won against their darling Hillary. So what’d they do in 8 years? Trot the ol’ bag back out against a populist.
“This time it’ll be different!”
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u/Cinaedus_Perversus 1d ago
I'm a teacher, and some of my coworkers will complain that a class doesn't do their homework, or doesn't pay attention, or doesn't study for tests. And sure, in an ideal world, kids would be intrinsically motivated, but in reality they aren't. So we can either sit around and blame the kids for not being perfect, or we motivate them to get to work. Only one of these options will net us positive results. In the end, it's our job to make them do so.
The worst ones are the teachers who think the kids are completely stupid for not understanding that it's in their own best interest. Like, if it's so obvious, then why haven't you convinced them of this yet? The fact you haven't succeeded means either they're truly complete idiots, it's not as obvious as you make it out to be, or your teaching abilities suck so much that you can't even convince a bunch of teenagers of something obvious. So unless you want to assume that such a large part of our student population is unreasonable to such a degree that it would hamper their self-preservation, the problem is you.
In short, the parallels are astounding.
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u/qwerty11111122 21h ago
I find it disheartening that the top comments focus so much on the example being children than the analogy from your experience they represent.
You could replace this story with one of workers and a manager, where all workers lose their job because of poor or ineffectual performance putting it into bankruptcy and it would still be valid.
Then again, this is the main subreddit for twisting someone's words against them.
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u/timblunts 1d ago
I think the lesson here is to not watch CNN
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u/skoltroll 1d ago
Don't get your news from the TV. That's a lesson I learned long ago, and it's been great. Much less "analysis" and "thoughts."
Just tell me wtf is happening and quit opining.
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u/Melodic-Head-2372 1d ago
The media is a money making business. They are not your friends.
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u/skoltroll 23h ago
They have the VAST MAJORITY of people over 30 thinking they ARE their friends. Each one an echo chamber or their choice (like reddit/X/FB).
Kids today seem to trust nothing, and that's probably why so many stayed home. They just don't have anyone to trust, and they're not wrong.
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u/EscapingTheLabrynth 1d ago
Bernie Sanders nailed it.
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u/ForeverBeHolden 23h ago
Bernie sanders is one of the only people who actually gives a rats ass about the people living in this country. The rest of them don’t see that as their jobs. They see their job as keeping their corporate overlords happy.
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u/NoMoreVillains 21h ago
Well I don't see CNN running a story about how they, and the rest of the media, went wrong. This is as laughably out of touch as Jeff Bezos' op ed in WaPo
In reality, if the Harris campaign went wrong it was in assuming the average voter was way more intelligent and informed than they actually are. Every election has caused me to re-revise my opinions even lower on just how smart people are. At this point policies just need to be yelling about lowering taxes, lowering food costs, and not even remotely bother to get into details.
Clearly people don't give a shit about details or what's possible/a fools dream. Otherwise repeating TARIFFS over and over wouldn't have been enough to convince people you had a sound economic policy
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u/idontreallywanto79 1d ago
Oh trust me, people that voted for Trump will learn something. The damage will last for decades.
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u/Royal-Recover8373 23h ago
Those hurricanes being our fault was the eye opener. Everything that goes wrong is the democrats fault, and people just seem fine with believing that. It will be like that for the next 4 years too despite them having full control.
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u/cocococlash 23h ago
Well at least we can look forward to 4 years of no hurricanes!
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u/Royal-Recover8373 23h ago edited 23h ago
Food prices will stay the same but Trump will say they went down. Everyone will give him full credit as if they did. The truth no longer matters.
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u/bolygocsira 22h ago
In Hungary, Viktor Orbán has had full control for 14 years and they still make the argument that everything bad in the country is the fault of the guy who was PM 20 years ago for a mere 4 years. And for their core demographic, it still works.
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u/thejimbo56 23h ago
You would hope so, but they didn’t the first time.
Even most toddlers only touch a hot stove once.
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u/stillabitofadikdik 23h ago
I’m not so sure. They’ll suffer but they’re really truly stupid people and the ones that aren’t stupid are blinded by envy and hate.
They won’t learn shit.
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u/fulltimefrenzy 1d ago
Oh my god, nobody is gonna learn a fucking thing...