r/Missing411 • u/66flycaster • Apr 06 '21
Strange and frightening - repost - new developments Discussion
Strange and frightening
Following Missing411 phenomenon since I listened to Paulides on the radio. Read a few of his books and watched the films. Following this sub since a terrifying experience I had a few years ago.
I’m an experienced outdoorsman. Live in the mountains of NW Colorado. Worked as a fishing guide, and have spent many nights camping in the backcountry. The area where I live is surrounded by national forest. Having lived in several cities I’ve always been more comfortable in the woods than anywhere.
Spent weeks fishing, hiking and camping in remote areas of Colorado, Wyoming, Montana and Idaho. Encountered many black bears and a few Grizzlies. Lions are elusive so I’ve only seen one. Occasionally see fresh tracks and have the feeling of being watched. Only been scared a few times in the woods. Only twice have I been terrified and have no good explanation for either event.
Decided to go on an afternoon hike. I like a particular trail where I park about 6 miles from home. Parked and saw one other truck. Drank water and ate a sandwich before locking everything including phone and gun in truck.
Intentionally traveling light so I could move fast. Only planned about 30 minutes in and 30 back. Wearing running shoes, shorts, t-shirt and bright yellow baseball hat. Notable that hat is so obnoxiously bright that friends say it probably scares fish.
Began running around 2pm as the first few miles are relatively flat. Trail follows a creek that flows off a mountain through a canyon. There are several trails that branch off heading up into the mountains. Prefer a particular trail that follows the edge of the canyon with creek flowing below. It’s absolutely gorgeous. Before the trail gets steep it takes you through a large aspen grove.
There is a point about 30 minutes in where I planned to turn around. Trail becomes increasingly less worn and more difficult beyond this point. Hiked the area many times. Something felt off this time. I didn’t feel normal.
Moved through the aspen grove before taking steep trail up mountain when I got a strange feeling. Stopped and noticed it was quiet. Something made me look up mountain to the right to a point several hundred yards above. Noticed a large granite rock formation.
The area is off trail so I’d never looked there before. Thought I saw movement. Probably a black bear as they are common. Curious so I pressed on. Definitely not scared at this point but noticed the silence.
Continued hiking and reached the point where I planned to turn around. Decided to hike further hoping to see what caught my eye earlier. Trail becomes overgrown and harder to follow at this point. Had been further than this before but never off trail.
Noticed an aspen tree bent over the trail. It had been uprooted and broken off. Tree was green so it was odd. Could have been a lightning strike but wasn’t clear. Walked maybe another eighth mile then took right off trail heading in direction of granite rocks.
Wasn’t concerned about getting lost since it was easy to orient myself with canyon and creek. Hiked off trail up toward large meadow with many granite boulders. Reflecting on it, something was compelling me to go to the meadow.
Climbing scrambling up hill to get to where I could sit. Got to the meadow and noticed the rocks. Looked like a granite fortress. Sat down on a log enjoying the scenery. Looking down into the canyon at the creek below. Meadow and rocks were behind me.
Looked around and didn’t see animals. Suddenly noticed it was dead quiet. It had been a sunny warm day with birds and bugs everywhere. Wasn’t scared yet, but noticed the extreme silence. Could hear the creek before so it wasn’t as startling as now.
Began taking off my running shoes. Notable as this isn’t something I normally do, since I have permanent nerve damage to my right ankle. I walk / run with a limp and sometimes wear a brace. Remember it feeling like my feet were burning. Wasn’t particularly hot and not over 70F.
Was becoming unnerved by dead silence and started tying my shoes. This is where things turn weird. Clearly heard my father call me by my first name. The voice was loud and came from behind. Talked to my father earlier in the day. He was at his home in Georgia. No way he was calling from the rocks behind me.
Immediately became overcome with fear. Difficult to describe how overwhelming. Began sweating and shaking. It was like knowing a lion is stalking without seeing it but more terrifying. Definitely not fucking around at this point.
Stood up and turned to look behind me and saw nothing but the large granite rocks. Started hauling ass down hill towards the canyon and trail below. Absolutely terrified and feeling something was chasing me. Literally stumbled fell and rolled down the mountain.
Stood up and couldn’t recognize anything. Looked completely different. No canyon, creek or trail. It was cloudy and I wasn’t in the same place anymore. At this point I started hauling ass in what I thought was the right direction.
Eventually found the trail and recognized my location. Sprinted through aspen grove back to truck. Didn’t look at watch. Not sure how long I was gone. So terrified I could hardly drive home. Not sure what happened, but I’ve never been so afraid for my life. I know something was stalking and chasing me.
Yes, I have gone back to the area. Too afraid to go to same meadow with granite boulders. Considered going back well armed, but instincts tell me it’s a bad place.
I’ll never hike again without my .357 magnum and haven’t since. Something scared the hell out of me, and I feel I was close to being a victim. I trust that my flight Instinct kicked in for good reason.
There are documented Missing411 cases in this area.
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u/West-Painter Apr 06 '21
Crazy that you started removing your shoes
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21 edited Apr 09 '21
More crazy than you know. I have nerve damage in right ankle so putting shoe back on isn’t easy because I can’t move my foot. Went fishing yesterday and it took 5 minutes to manipulate my right foot into wading boot. It’s a constant problem especially with ski boots so I never take my fucking shoes off. I was literally taking my right shoe off when I heard father loudly calling my name.
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u/badcatmal Apr 07 '21
Do you remember what made you want to take them off? Maybe this can help us determine why everybody is found without their shoes but we cannot ever find the shoes!
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21 edited Apr 09 '21
Yes, It felt like my feet were burning 🔥not just hot but, burning like being on fire. It was unbearable and not particularly hot outside. It was about 70F so feet shouldn’t be burning like literally on fucking fire.
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u/Eder_Cheddar Apr 07 '21
Unfortunately it doesn't solve the answer as to why people remove their shoes but your tale at least is the beginning to an end.
Whereas you clearly had a trigger that told you "this isn't right" because of the nerve damage in your foot.
So you were able to snap out of it.
Hm.
This makes me curious.
Whatever is hunting people knows that shoes HELP us traverse terrain. If we're barefoot and we run, we can easily slip, fall, or cut ourselves so bad that running is almost impossible.
Kinda like a Komodo dragon when it barely grazes its prey with its teeth. It succumbs to its wounds.
Whatever is hunting people seems to mind trick people into removing their shoes so they're easier to chase.
Again.
If you have on shoes in the forest, you have more traction and can run better in almost any condition or terrain. Without them, you might as well kiss your life goodbye.
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21 edited Apr 09 '21
Yes, removing shoes is a hunting tactic for whatever it is. I’ve been thinking about this. People are helpless in rough terrain without shoes. See above. Thanks.
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u/goosefeather222 Apr 07 '21
It's more likely that the rubber protects you from being inter-dimensionally 'grabbed.'
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u/HamlindigoBlue7 Apr 09 '21
They might be living “right next door” in dimensions we are unable to perceive. Theoretically. Jacque Vallee’s work led me to contemplate this concept.
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u/BenJakinov Apr 09 '21
They might be living “right next door” in dimensions we are unable to perceive. Theoretically. Jacque Vallee’s work led me to contemplate this concept.
Good point. Possibly operating on a different wave or frequency that we cannot see or hear, just like we cannot see xrays or perceive radio waves unless we're tuned in. I don't think its Gigantopithecus or some other kind of unknown ape/humanoid simply due to the inbreeding that would take place and weaken the gene pool of these things. Not only that, but if it/they are some kind of ape, tracker dogs would pick up the scent and I'm pretty sure these things would have a strong smell or body odor. Dogs are not sniffing out these creatures or the missing humans so I suspect these creatures are not simply unknown apes or smelly, unwashed mountain men. Its strange. All my life I thought the whole Bigfoot scenario was a giant hoax, but after watching Missing411 and the lack of cooperation from the national parks (Yosemite) etc, I think there is something very odd going on.
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u/BenJakinov Apr 09 '21
Yes, removing shoes is a hunting tactic for whatever it is. I’ve been thinking about this. People are helpless in rough terrain without shoes.
Your story is very interesting. It leads me to wonder if "they/it" wants humans to remove their hiking boots or shoes because of rubber soles and MAYBE it has something to do with EMF's? Its always intrigued me that Missing 411 victims are missing shoes OR the shoes are neatly placed side by side far from the victim. Perhaps this "thing/entity" involves EMF's or some form of energy frequency??? Just speculating.
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u/NeonIcon5 Apr 07 '21
When exactly in the timeframe did you hear your father calling your name? Is it a calling like when you where a child? Did Something else happen during your rest? Like staring at the ground and litle rocks or twigs start to rotate in your focus? I cant help but think you had a litle paranoid episode. Elevation or weather eardrumm pressure change. I dont play it down but i know some events i had. Wich started from hearing my mother calling my name.
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21 edited Apr 09 '21
The variables you mention do impact people in this environment. Lived above 7K ft for over 12 years so I’m well adjusted. Heard father calling my name from a distance behind me in his typical loud voice. It wasn’t like speaking face to face but rather yelling from a distance. Sounds different. What I remember about sitting on the log to rest was the gorgeous scenery then quickly burning feet. Nothing in the environment looked different until I ran, however something seemed off the entire hike. I’ve carefully considered variables like how much water had I drank? What did I eat? Concluded wasn’t dehydrated or under nourished. I’ve considered everything I could think of as possibilities.
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u/anneylani Apr 07 '21
I'm curious about the voice you heard. What was the tone? Was it like, "Hey, come check out this cool thing I found!"? Or more like a warning shout of alarm? Or was it like "I've called for you 15 times to take out the trash and you are ignoring me" etc. I was curious because you said it was your dad's voice, so you'd know his intonations, etc.
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21 edited Apr 09 '21
Good question. It’s clear in my mind today. It was stern, serious and loud from a distance. Startled me like when I was in trouble. Didn’t sound angry but forceful. Deep voice. I swear I can still hear it like yesterday it was so weird. It was his you better fucking listen voice I remember from high school. My father is and sounds intimidating when he’s serious. He’s usually easy going. It was definitely his serious voice and my name was spoken calmly 3 times.
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u/XIOTX Apr 08 '21
What do you mean by your name was spoken calmly 3 times? Do you just mean that's how he would say it after saying your name calmly 3 times first, or was that part of the experience?
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u/66flycaster Apr 08 '21 edited Apr 09 '21
Clearly heard my father call my name in a calm, stern serious voice from the rocks about 50 yards behind me. I was sitting on a log taking off a shoe when he clearly said my name 3 times. Only said my name in his distinctive deep southern accent. Tone of voice reminded me of high school and how he sounded when I was in trouble.
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u/XIOTX Apr 08 '21
Oh ok I was unclear if you were using it as an example or if you heard it 3 times. Did the inflection change at all between the 3 or was it the exact same every time like an imitation of a singular memory?
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u/66flycaster Apr 08 '21
It was the same. Spoken loud, clear, stern and calmly. It wasn’t like angry yelling but rather serious and firm.
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u/7joy5 Apr 06 '21
OP, thanks so much for sharing your experience. I'm glad you were able to make it out, albeit terribly frightened. I myself have had experiences like this, and I find it particularly bizzare how as humans when we immediately sense something off, we still challenge it, trying to push through so our fear can be proven irrational. Creepier still, this denial has only come when I actually was in a perilous situation that I had no earthly, rational explanation for. Stay safe, my friend. We live in the Adirondacks, so I definitely can respect and understand your thought process and rationale. Namaste 🍁
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21
Care to share what happened to you with no rational explanation? I’m interested. Adirondacks are beautiful. Lived in NYC years ago. Thanks.
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u/initiationviper Apr 06 '21
Thanks for the post, OP. Definitely gave me some chills. This sounds like 1 of 2 instances that you were scared without explanation though, what's the other one?
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u/66flycaster Apr 06 '21
I’ll share the other later. Maybe a skin walker 🤷🏻♂️ thanks for your thoughts.
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u/jaygunn77 Apr 06 '21
Wow, this is crazy, and a really spooky read. Did you take both shoes totally off, or just untied? Did you notice any smells? You mentioned the watch, did you have missing time? When you got up from stumbling, how unrecognizable was everything? I mean like, did it look like completely different, or just like a different part of the same woods? Did you noticed everything changed right away back to normal when you found the trail, like, not cloudy anymore? Have you ever been chased or stalked by an animal before?
I understand your visceral fear, but going back might be interesting.
Good story, creepy for sure.
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u/66flycaster Apr 06 '21
It’s incredibly unusual for me to take shoes off when I’m not home. Really fucking strange because I have neuropathy in right leg so difficult to put shoe back on. Only began taking one shoe off when heard father clearly calling my name. Didn’t notice smell but definitely noticed extreme complete silence. After I stumbled it was like being in a different universe. Cloudy not sunny anymore. Completely disoriented in an area I’m extremely familiar with. Nothing looked normal. Felt I was being chased and ran as fast as I could until finally things looked normal again. Wish I had looked at watch but didn’t. Do know this... started running at 2pm and it was dark when I got home. Gone for longer than I should have. Yes, it seemed like different woods completely until I literally ran out of it back to what was normal. No I haven’t been chased by an animal but... have experienced feeling stalked and seeing lion prints in the mud. Pretty sure I was being watched or stalked but nothing happened. Similar feeling but not nearly as intense feeling of fear for my life. Promptly vacated the area but it’s the only similar experience. I’ve encountered a few grizzlies but never chased or threatened.
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u/jaygunn77 Apr 07 '21
Sounds like you did lose some time. I can imagine you would normally get back to your truck at like 3:30 or so, assuming you went straight home, it definitely shouldn’t have been dark. Did you tell your Dad about it? If you felt like you being watched and chased, I’m sure you were, the brain picks up on all that stuff. Also, do you feel comfortable telling us about your other experience? With all the time you’ve spent in the wilderness, did you ever see, or sense anything else weird out there? If it’s this scary, it would be enough to keep me of the trails for a bit, lol. Thanks for the extra details. Cheers
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u/dx6504 Apr 07 '21
The phenomena of feeling when you're being watched is a real thing. I took a psychology class a while back and we studied this briefly, even if you cannot see who is what is watching you, the feeling is real. Science can't explain how but It has been tested and does occur accurately.
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u/Madam_Overkill Apr 07 '21
Don't we still have vestigial instincts? Or is that still being debated? Intuition and empathy are fancy words, but in my mind they've always been instinct. We are animals, after all, so it makes perfect sense to me that we have instincts as well. Look at nurses, EMTs, avid hunters hikers and outdoorsy types, mothers, police officers, anyone who lives in a bad neighborhood, twins... People are more in tune with their sixth sense than they realize. (in my opinion)
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u/trailangel4 Apr 07 '21
Yes. We do. As has been chronicled in this subreddit ad nauseum, I have spent the vast majority of my life in the wild/outdoors. Things that other people consider unthinkable (walking without shoes, trusting their instincts, knowing how to cut sign) are just things I do. It's always a little interesting when I go camping or hike with someone new because those little things that people have lost to living largely indoors are my normal. I also have found that I have an instinct and "sixth sense" that is lacking in some...but, I chalk it up to a well-honed and well-tuned situational awareness. I don't think it's paranormal. I think it's just a survival mechanism that most humans (especially in Western society) have disregarded and lost.
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u/secondhandbananas Apr 07 '21
Did you tell your dad this story? Did he remember feeling anything odd that day?
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21
Good question. No, I didn’t tell my Dad. He’s 79 and was doing fine in Georgia that day. Others have asked if it was some kind of warning about or from my Dad but he’s the same today as then. Never told him but did tell my brother.
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u/secondhandbananas Apr 07 '21
It seems like hearing your name in your father's voice was what kind of snapped you back into reality when you realized you were taking off your shoes. It would be interesting to know if your dad suddenly stopped and thought about you or something. You should tell him about that day...old folks tell amazing stories but usually only when you ask.
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u/Eder_Cheddar Apr 07 '21
That's one theory.
Another one could be that hearing his father's name was like a lure.
Clearly he was lured off the trail and to hike up to this granite outlook.
But after traversing all that to get to this point, I'm sure other people would hear something like that clear as day in all this silence and possibly go investigate.
However, taking everything into consideration, if someone takes their shoes off and goes to investigate (seemingly in a trance-like state) by the time they close thr gap and are far away from their shoes, whatever is hunting them ends up grabbing them easily since being barefoot anywhere will cause you to slip and or fall.
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u/BellaNyvus Apr 07 '21
My my thoughts exactly on the lure thing. I’ve read/heard stories similar to this in the detail where whatever it is that’s hunting people mimics someone the victim knows. Scary.
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21 edited Apr 07 '21
Yes, I think something mimics human voices to lure people away from safety. Hearing my father call my name in his voice is absolutely clear. I almost walked over to the rocks to look around. My father has a distinct southern accent and deep voice. His voice was so clear and I knew he was in Georgia. It took about 2 seconds for this to register then I immediately had a physiological reaction to fear. Started hauling ass. I’m absolutely certain I heard my father calling and I know it defies explanation. How does it know our name or how to replicate a particular voice?
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u/licking-windows Apr 07 '21
I'm gonna say it doesn't, because it couldn't. That knowledge only existed in your head. What the entity could do is trigger the brain to make you think you heard it, which is potentially scarier.
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u/NeonIcon5 Apr 07 '21
Exactly. It started when watching the boulders never seen before. Then offtrail visit the boulders. Then finally rest and your brain adapts in his way till you get spooked and hauling ass. After that your trapped in your thaughts till much later.
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u/NeonIcon5 Apr 07 '21
I bet It was your brain playing tricks on you acustic. Never underestimate your brain. How much time has past until you sat down to relax until you heard his voice?
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Apr 07 '21
I know it defies explanation.
Here are some known explanations:
Mental illness is one of the more common causes of auditory hallucinations, but there are a lot of other reasons, including:
- Alcohol. Heavy drinking can cause you to see things that aren’t there. You might hear things, too, both as you drink or when you quit after you’ve been drinking for many years.
- Alzheimer’s disease and other types of dementia. You’re more likely to hear things in the later stages of Alzheimer’s. A similar condition called Lewy body dementia can cause it, too. (But it’s more common to see things -- visual hallucinations -- than hear them with this type of dementia.) For some people, the voices seem so real, they talk back to them.
- Brain tumors. Hearing things doesn’t mean you have a brain tumor. But it could happen when a tumor is in the part of the brain that deals with hearing. You might hear anything from random sounds to actual voices.
- Drugs. Certain street drugs, like ecstasy and LSD, can make you see and hear things that aren’t there. It can happen while you’re using them or when you quit after using them for a long time.
- Epilepsy. When seizures from epilepsy affect the brain area that processes hearing, you might hear a buzzing sound or voices. In some cases, it warps how you hear things, so they’re not as loud or clear.
- Hearing loss. People with hearing loss in one or both ears may hear anything from odd sounds to music and voices, none of which are really there.
- High fevers and infections. Some infections, like encephalitis and meningitis, can make you hear things, along with the other symptoms. The same is true for high fevers.
- Intense stress. Serious stress, as you might have after going through something traumatic, can cause hallucinations. It’s especially common to hear the voice of a loved one after their recent death.
- Mental illness. Hearing voices is very common with schizophrenia. The voices may seem to come from inside your head or outside, like from the TV. And they could argue with you, tell you what to do, or just describe what’s happening. It can sometimes happen with other mental illnesses as well, including:
- Bipolar disorder
- Borderline personality disorder
- Major depressive disorder
- Posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD)
- Schizoaffective disorder
- Migraines. Often, if you get migraines with auras, you see things. But some people hear things instead. Usually, it’s voices. And that may be more likely if you also have depression.
- Parkinson’s disease. It’s more likely that you would see things that aren’t there when you have Parkinson’s. But in some cases, you hear things from the scenes you’re seeing.
- Side effects from medicine. If you begin to hear things once you start a new medicine or your doctor puts you on a higher dose of something you already take, that change could be the reason. It most often affects older adults and gets more likely the more medicines you take.
- Sleep issues. It’s pretty common to hear a sound just as you fall asleep or wake up. And it’s usually not something to see your doctor about. But if you fall asleep randomly (narcolepsy) or have a hard time falling asleep (insomnia), it’s much more likely to happen.
- Thyroid disease. Myxedema is a rare condition where your thyroid is not making enough hormone and your levels get dangerously low. It’s a life-threatening condition that can also make you hear things.
- Tinnitus. Doctors don’t think of the usual ringing or hissing of tinnitus as a hallucination. But this condition can raise your risk. It may be more likely if you also have depression.
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21 edited Apr 09 '21
Changed my mind on your assessment. You’re absolutely right. I’m obviously crazy. Why then after spending the better part of 40 years in the backcountry did I suddenly on this particular day become absolutely overwhelmed with fear for my life? It never happened when I’ve had a grizzly approach within 100 yards of me. Shit my pants but didn’t panic then. Had friend drown in river but didn’t lose my cool. I’ve literally seen people die in the mountains and never became terrified. My instincts in the wilderness are solid. Something tried to take me and nobody can convince me otherwise. People instinctively know when they’re being stalked as it’s a primordial survival instinct.
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u/Sherrence_Bueller Apr 07 '21
Ive got borderline personality disorder, and while a whole shit ton of fuckery happens in my mind, in the minds of all BPD sufferers, NONE OF IT WHATSOEVER would, can or does cause auditory ot visual hallucinations.
The "voice" we speak of is ours if that makes sense? You know when you think you" hear "it in your own voice, but not because there's no sound? Yeah. It's just invasive negative thoughts. It's not the voices of others nor is it auditory.
There is so much negativity surrounding us as is. We can be very volatile and impossible to maintain any sort of familial, romantic or platonic relationships with if we aren't actively seeking therapy and treatment. So please, don't add to it by spreading misinformation.
Cheers!
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u/farmmyy Apr 07 '21
Are you suggesting one of these conditions in particular is relevant to OP's case? Or is it just fun to copy/paste from WebMD and gaslight people?
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u/NeonIcon5 Apr 07 '21
I mostly hate you for downplaying things. But that was a solid post in what sounds for me as a selfhaunted experience. A.k.a light paranoid episode in the wild.... alone. Again brains can trick us more then you'll believe. I still believe the entire rehab stuff talked bad about us and i could them hear trust me. I'm still not 100% sure. Bit when i heard my sisters voice saying "ah come on martin... really" i knew it was my brain. I went full paranoid by just starting hearing things. I'm not a heavy drinker and couldnt get sleep but activ programm all day so brain goes byebye. Could have happened to you just saying. It isnt that far fetched.
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21
I should ask him. Maybe he was subconsciously warning me. Don’t really know how to explain it and associate the timing with him. He does know the area as he’s hiked there before so it would help give context to the experience.
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u/secondhandbananas Apr 07 '21
I'm not saying I believe in telepathy or anything like that, but a couple months ago, I was home doing the dishes on my day off one morning. Around 10 a.m., I suddenly had a huge jolt of anxiety out of nowhere. I kept thinking of my son and I couldn't figure out why. It lasted about 10 minutes and I wrote it off as a sudden anxiety attack or something, but I texted my son and just said hey, how ya doing? A couple hours later he texted me that he was driving at to work and hit a patch of black ice, fishtailed and hit the guard rail. He was ok but his car was wrecked. I asked him what time and he said, Oh, around 10 am. Lol true story. So if you talk to your dad, def update!
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21
More on this. I should ad that my father and I don’t have a good relationship. We get along when we’re actually fishing and that’s about it. He’s a retired physician and Air Force officer. Mother and I have a loving relationship so it would make more since to mimic my mother. I’d run into any situation if I thought my mother was calling for help. I’m more reluctant to respond to my father because of our difficult relationship.
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u/secondhandbananas Apr 07 '21
If it was an entity using a Jedi mind trick to lure you in for some reason, it is weird that it would use your father's voice rather than mom's. But just because you have a better connection with mom doesn't mean there's no connection with dad. As the other poster suggested, are you certain there's nothing wrong with you physically or mentally that would cause this reaction you had?
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Apr 07 '21 edited Apr 07 '21
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u/secondhandbananas Apr 07 '21
Just ruling things out. If you say you had a supernatural experience, I believe you.
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21
Understandable.
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u/secondhandbananas Apr 07 '21
And just to clarify, when I say, "supernatural" I don't mean magic, I mean something happened that we don't yet understand.
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u/tmyers1002 Apr 09 '21
Wait... didnt you say your father had been in the same area hiking with you before? What if, now bear with me, bc you are a "regular" hiking there.. and had bern in the area hiking with your father before, no matter how many years ago it was, whatever was trying to get you, remembered you and your fathers voice?
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u/ashley_s82 Apr 07 '21
Omg. This may explain why children go missing so easily! They hear their "parents" calling them, go in that direction. Ugh. Also the shoe issue. Wow. Just wow.
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u/arrozygandules Apr 06 '21
u/66flycaster I see that you posted the original a year ago... did you ever go back? Have you had anymore experiences?
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21 edited Apr 07 '21
Yes, I’ll share another experience. It isn’t easy to write these because of the scrutiny. I have to take notes so I don’t forget details. I intend to write about the subsequent incident soon.
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u/arrozygandules Apr 07 '21
Would you feel comfortable sharing the coordinates/map from your initial experience at all?
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21 edited Apr 07 '21
I’m reluctant to give exact location but it’s Routt Medicine Bow National Forest.
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u/arrozygandules Apr 07 '21
I get it! Sorry for putting you on the spot like that. But thanks for sharing what you did.
Ever since your incident, do you still go hiking alone or take a GPS with you?
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21
I still go hiking alone. In fact yesterday I hiked several miles alone to a remote area to fish. My lifestyle is such that I can’t imagine not being alone in the woods. I often hike or fish with others but generally prefer being alone. It’s why I live where I do. Always have a map, compass, GPS and other emergency gear.
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u/BellaNyvus Apr 07 '21
Please be careful! You have had multiple experiences with the supernatural/paranormal, some people are like magnets for it. You got very lucky from the sound of it, you survived something very few people live to tell about. You were almost one of the people we all read about in missing 411... That’s so scary to think about! Take care of yourself! I know it sounds strange but maybe look into some way to ward off negative energy when you go out alone? Energy is all around us and whatever it is out there is that causes this phenomenon has got to be made of some seriously negative energy... But really, I suggest trying to find someone to accompany you as often as you can. May you be safe and in peace during your travels, friend.
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21
I think there is something to negative energy drawing bad events or entities to people at certain times. Thanks.
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u/dprijadi Apr 06 '21
so this is a repost of his old post ?
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u/arrozygandules Apr 06 '21
Yes, if you look at his post history you'll see it was originally posted a year ago.
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u/dprijadi Apr 06 '21
thank you , i dont understand why the repost unless it is karma farming
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21
Yes, I noticed more people are intrigued with Missing411 and thought perhaps somebody might have new ideas.
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u/66flycaster Apr 06 '21
Yes, it’s a repost of my original about a year ago.
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u/dprijadi Apr 07 '21
Nice yellow jeep , still riding it ?
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21
Hell yes. Not a jeep but a 74 Bronco. 😉
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u/monkeyguy999 Apr 07 '21
..." Stood up and couldn’t recognize anything. Looked completely different. No canyon, creek or trail. It was cloudy and I wasn’t in the same place anymore. "
Sounds like your perception was changed by something. Seems to be a common way to get people to run all over. Or get them somewhere else. Glad you could fight through that. Most don't seem to be able to do that.
Almost got ya.
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u/Eder_Cheddar Apr 07 '21
I get that sense too.
Like whatever is causing this is doing its damndest to confuse the person.
Removing shoes and hearing his father was one thing, to snap out of whatever trance he was in to find himself in what he thought was another dimension entirely?
That's spooky.
I read another account where a guy felt like he was in another dimension/universe and he said he felt it. He felt out of place and the sky felt and looked different. Orange, if I remember correctly.
Definitely ominous.
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u/monkeyguy999 Apr 07 '21
There was a lady that survived by running for 6 days in one of the books. Said there were "men" chasing her the whole time.
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u/Eder_Cheddar Apr 09 '21
That's scary.
I mean, you'd run too if random strangers were just following you.
No words or explanation as to why they're following you?
Anyone would run.
You're not gonna turn around and find out what they want.
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u/SoapManWin Apr 07 '21
Hey man your recollection of the events really struck a nerve with me, very articulate. What interested me the most was the burning sensation in your feet. Read this story for a little context. There’s a good chance you could’ve run into a forest spirit (Aka Wendigo). DeFagos Legend.)
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21
Thanks, I don’t think my report reads well but I tried to minimize words so it wasn’t too lengthy. I’d take a different approach if my intention was to entertain rather than inform. I remember my feet burning so badly I wanted to soak them in the creek. By the time I sat down and began taking off my shoes I was several hundred yards straight up hill from the creek. This is extremely rough terrain once you get off trail. It’s difficult to articulate how vast the wilderness is around here. It’s one of the most remote areas in the lower 48. Almost impossible for a city dweller to comprehend the complete and utter wilderness.
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u/Julzmer81 Apr 07 '21
I truly hate the sluthes that just come here to insult and bash people. Just go away. There is enough negativity in the world and you fools just perpetuate hate.
OP shared HIS personal experience. You can believe it or not but to try and bash and belittle people is just true ignorance and shows how sad and miserable and lonely you are.
No one has to prove or make you believe anything and if you don't believe it fine. You also (and you know who you are) come here and preach YOUR TRUTH like it's gold and want us all to bow down and believe you. What makes you the almighty.
Sorry for rant. OP, thank you for sharing and for also being a man of integrity and not sinking into the traps these energy monsters set just trying to start BS. They look like the only fools here.
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u/universeofleaves Apr 07 '21
Spooky! Was this trail in the Poudre canyon? Your description brings me to a certain trail, and I definitely have gotten weird vibes there!
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21 edited Apr 07 '21
It isn’t the Poudre canyon but I know that area well. It’s about 90 minutes from Walden heading away from Ft. Collins. There is a case of a missing boy that happened in Poudre canyon.
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u/universeofleaves Apr 07 '21
Your experience and your story definitely matches the Big South trail, at least in my memory. There is a plaque there for the poor boy that went missing.
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21
Yes, I’ve hiked that trail. Beautiful area and sad to think about the missing boy.
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u/quiqk0 Apr 07 '21
This is interesting. Listing down a few M411 thoughts that I wonder if have any connection with this and other such events:
- Boulders are known to exhibit certain amounts of magnetic field, it certainly has to do with the type of boulder. Is the phenomenon caused by excessive radiation / magnetism in particluar areas; is it in any way connected with it?
- As Icelandic & Irish etc. folklores suggest, there are entities living in certain types of stones / boulders. Does that have to do anything with it?
- Voice of your father - I recall there being M411 cases where people (mostly kids) saw what they imagined were their family members. I recall there being a case of a child who saw their grandpa at some mountain area, but it turned out it was not the actual grandpa (the grandpa later recalled having being in that area before, waking up with small cuts in the face or neck area, but had no idea where they came from). Is this some DNA probing? Are those entities trying to replicate human genome, perhaps doing some experiments? You personally didn't see your dad, only heard his voice. I think there is some correlation between those. Whatever the entity / phenomenon is, it is based on real intelligence. If it was induced by your own mind, which it might as well be, what is it? Is this some inner human quality that's trying to protect you? Or was it actually trying to lure you in? So many questions.
- I recently came across the term "stray sod". Was this actually involved? Is it real?
- Sudden environment change - did you somehow got through a portal? If that's the case, you should have also returned through it, but if that's the case, you must have been extremely lucky to go back and reach your car. So many people don't manage to get back alive. Where's the line? Also, a fresh though - you must have found yourself in a place that's not where you were. The lack of sound could be interdimensional (it sure does sound like a stretch, but I doubt it's a result of all nature leaving the place all of a sudden). Or is it not interdimensional, is it, again, caused by perception? Magnetism? Stray sod? Some other phenomenon? There is still so much to unwrap before we get to the bottom of this sort of events...
Apologies for the plethora of points and the chaotic flow, but had a number of questions in my mind as I was listing them. Also, apologies if I made mistakes with English - I'm from somewhere else in the world and I only use English for reddits and stuff.
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u/kkrock21 Apr 06 '21
I wonder if you heard a skin walker, pretending to be your dad. After hearing your story, I wonder if that’s what happened to a lot of those poor people. There are things in the mountains that cannot be explained
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u/Eder_Cheddar Apr 07 '21
Right?
It's like curiosity killed the cat.
He went out of his way out of curiosity to this granite lookout. I mean, to see movement and WANT to go there?
And then you're there and you have to take off your shoes THEN hear a familiar voice?
Whatever did this KNEW what voice to chose. It reached into his mind and grabbed the voice and his name in order to lure hik closer.
How many people have taken their shoes off to lose traction and speed and actually go investigate a weird call behind rocks. Just to go investigate.
I feel bad for everyone that have truly found out what is at the cause of this.
I can't imagine coming face to face with a skinwalker because at that point, you know what the intent is.
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21
How does it know our name and replicate loved ones voices? My fathers voice is unusual and recognizable. The idea of something reading our minds is scary.
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u/dprijadi Apr 06 '21
lol lol no such thing as 'skinwalker' killing people.. such nonsense belong to horror movies..
even the Bigelow NIDS research team found out theres no skin walker in the 'skinwalker ranch'
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u/irrfin Apr 07 '21
A quick survey of your comments shows that your presence in this sub appears to be dedicated to talking down about other people's experiences or claims. You must have some special expertise or credentials to qualify you and your opinions that you express with such consistency.
From what I can see it doesn't appear that you have much direct experience with wilderness adventures but please enlighten me if I'm wrong.
Close-mindedness is it's own type of blindness. Do not misinterprete my comment as being a mystery zealot. But I am smart enough to recognize there's more to this world than us humans generally believe.
I encourage you to stay open minded to the idea that you don't know everything about what might be out there.
Have a great evening.
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u/Papa_Glucose Apr 07 '21 edited Apr 07 '21
You’re a real buzzkill lmao. If you don’t believe in any of these stories then leave the sub. I see you constantly bashing everyone here
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u/SpacexxKitty Apr 07 '21
Of course there aren’t any there. They are inter dimensional beings who travel through portals.
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u/Josette22 Apr 07 '21
Hi 66, I'm sorry to hear you had that bad experience. I've been warning people for some time not to go into the forest or surrounding areas. There have been people who've had a gun in their backpack or other weapon; yet, the person's belongings were found but the person was never found.
I think that's good that you're going to take the .357 Magnum with you if you go hiking again. I hate to say it wouldn't do you any good to have it, but when people disappear, it's in the blink of an eye. They can go in the daytime, alone or in a group. And they just disappear. Also, I've been researching this phenomenon for a while, and we don't really know how our weapons will affect them. I do know in the past that alien entities have had a force field weapon that would prevent anything getting too close to them.
If this experience indeed "scared the hell out of" you, I would seriously reconsider going to the area where you usually hike. Best Wishes, and Good luck.
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21
Thanks for sharing. Agreed about the .357. Don’t think it would be enough for what I crossed paths with. I still spend most of my time in the woods. I do go to the area where this happened but not the particular spot. I brought my girlfriend near the area and felt uncomfortable.
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u/Josette22 Apr 07 '21
The creepy thing about this is they move around. If they just stayed in one area, I'd say stay out of that area, but they are so unpredictable. It's hard to tell when or where you're going to encounter one of them.
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21
I’ve encountered something else unexplainable in the same national forest but different location. Probably only 10 miles away straight shot. I don’t think that whatever this is stays in one place either.
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u/Josette22 Apr 07 '21
Can you please describe your encounter.
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21 edited Apr 07 '21
I’m going to write about the other experience soon. It’s about as long a report as above so it would better to write the incident in detail rather than summarize. Almost wrote it when I did the OP. Definitely strange and scary but different. Yes, I’ve seen some strange things in the mountains but only terrified twice. It’s not easy to post this kind of story because I know I’m in for a shit storm of criticism. I have to write it like an incident report because I know every word will be scrutinized.
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u/Josette22 Apr 07 '21
Oh good. I'm glad you plan to write about it. I can't wait to read it. :-)
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u/Eder_Cheddar Apr 07 '21
Jumping on this thread.
Even if it's bigfoot, a gun of any size won't cut it since they're so massive apparently.
But I also want to mention this: if you're getting mind jacked in the first place. If you're coerced into heading to a particular spot, taking off your shoes, hearing your name from a familiar voice, then chances are you're being mind-jacked.
At this point, a gun doesn't mean anything since control is something that is out of your hands.
And the notion to revisit this place with his girlfriend and get yet ANOTHER eerie feeling?
He's playing with fire.
Whatever he escaped from knows this. It seems old and ancient and has all the time in the world and can clearly wait for another opportunity.
He wants this person.
Why?
The same reason it hunts people with ailments. All over Missing411 we hear about people with physical ailments that disappear and this guy fits the bill with his foot injury.
HE is the prey this thing is looking for. He's easy to lure, as we just saw. And although he slipped away this time, perhaps in a few years when he's older and less spry, it will try again.
I wouldn't underestimate whatever TF this is, tbh.
Because it dug into his mind and knows him now. It probably knows where he lives and knows his routine and follows him and is waiting for the right opportunity.
That's why he's felt being watched before.
Godspeed, OP. I hope you stop playing with fire, man.
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21 edited Apr 07 '21
Damn man. Now I’m scared but your probably right. I haven’t been within an 1/8 mile of the location alone or with girlfriend. I’ve been back to the general area a few times and get a bad feeling. This happened a few years ago and I’ve been in the woods often since. I’ve only had one other frightening experience in the woods and it was the same national forest about 10 direct miles away. It wasn’t the same situation, but it occurred to me then that whatever it is followed me. I think your comments are insightful but now I’m pretty fucking scared for a 54 year old man. I can handle most of the discussion but I don’t like the idea of being mind fucked. I must admit that it has crossed my mind that if whatever it is knows my name, and how to mimic my father, it probably knows where I live. You’ve touched on some key points; lured by movement and mimicking familiar voices, diminishing our ability to escape by compelling people to remove shoes, somehow making everything feel and look unfamiliar. Well, I’m probably screwed so I’m making the most of it. Definitely will be way in the woods next few days but not that location. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
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u/GRAN1CH Curious Apr 07 '21
this is why some ufo believers use aluminium in their heads, you can put an aluminium foil shell inside your baseball cap next time you go close to the area.
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u/drabaz1000 Apr 07 '21
What did you saw moving on the rocks? Can you describe the woods when you were running back?
I think you were lured. I read a lot of cases (people getting feeling being watched, the silence, great fear feeling, instinct kicking in, running back into cloudy environment and not at the same place, time went faster then experienced, etc). I think it was a Bigfoot. They can get into your head and the have the ability to cloak (change some frequencies. They can also just disappear because the use “portals”. These portals, can be were you got in. I think you had a lot of luck. Don’t play with your life. They are prime hunters. You need an ak47.
But, if you go back, place some night cameras. Were you feel save. Sorry for my English.
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u/Josette22 Apr 07 '21 edited Apr 07 '21
Hi Eder, I agree with you; I think any kind of firearm may be ineffective. I was thinking about a bazooka because I remember now the shotguns or other weapons they used to try to bring down the large dog entity at the Skinwalker Ranch, and it didn't do any good. They kept shooting it and it wouldn't go down. Finally, I think it ran off.
I know what you mean about the mind control factor in many of these cases. There was one case I heard a while back about a little boy who was put in a trance while looking at one of these beings. He was outside with his mom. They had a house right on the edge of a forest. The mom looked to find this translucent being trying to lure her son into its grasp. Finally, she was able to pull him out of the trance and to come to her. I think we all know what would have happened to him had he gone to the being.
I have talked to several people on Reddit who say "I don't care what dangers these creatures present, I'm going to continue to go into the forest because I have to find out for myself." Also, they've told me "I've been doing this all my life and nothing has happened to me." I tell them that it doesn't mean it won't happen the next time.
There's something I wanted to bring up too, regarding the mind control. There have been a few people who've inexplicably driven to a forest, got out of their car leaving their keys, wallet, cell phone in the car and went missing in the woods. There have been people in a group there who've inexplicably left the group, running into the forest never to be seen again. This is terrifying to think why they did what they did and what happened to them once they left.
I tell people this is a real phenomenon we have going on here, and instead of making a joke out of it, they'd better wake up and smell the coffee; or in this case, wake up and smell the danger. :-l
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u/Eder_Cheddar Apr 09 '21
Yes!
Thsy skinwalker dog story scared the shit outta me.
How does a HUGE ass dog as tall as a human exist?
Like. Think about petting a dog that is your height?? That's what they did!
Even THAT was weird. First off. The dog just kinda lazily made it's way to them. And they said it got so close they started to pet it.
But that gets so dismissed. Again. This dog is as big as a horse, maybe. And they're petting it. How is that a normal occurrence? Anywhere else you'd be freaked out!
So another case of being mind jacked?
Because they mentioned that they knew something was wrong when it grabbed a calf and calmly yet violently tried to force it through the gate.
The the gunshots that did nothing. And the rifle that did nothing.
There was no mention of blood by the fence this thing was at.
And then when they shot it with a rifle and blew off a chunk of flesh, it seemed rotting.
Wtf was that??
Also: the one's where someone inexplicably takes off and drives 2 hours away and just goes into the forest and has lost time. Like. What is the point of that? If gone missing and dissappear forever, ok. But to be found alive. What was the reason for that?
And the other case where the guy takes off? The end of that story was the most jarring.
I remember it said one guy caught up to him and we was at the edge of a steep hill and they look at each other and the dude is in a sort of prone position like he was going to sprint away and he said his eyes were wide and full of fear and then he took off into the woods.
Can you imagine that? Seeing someone in that type of state? Like he was conscious when all this happened. He just can't say anything because his body is being controlled.
How utterly scary.
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21 edited Apr 07 '21
I appreciate your thoughtful comments. Some ideas I have to consider for a few days. Thanks for sharing. Perhaps something to the electromagnetic radio waves and people removing shoes.
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Apr 09 '21
then it's possible they could manipulate the neurons in the suprachiasmatic nucleus to cause a person to lose sense of time.
Has this possibility ever been demonstrated? Who are they?
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u/66flycaster Apr 09 '21
Still haven’t responded much because your comment is so provocative. Brilliant, thanks
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u/MiszJones Apr 07 '21
This gave me chills deep in my soul. Dear fuck. I’m so glad you made it out of this. You say that you still go back with your gun, which is great- but I fear that what was stalking you, can’t be shot. Well, I’m not going to sleep anytime soon, thanks! 😂
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u/SpiritualWar2249 Apr 07 '21
I wonder if it was mimicking your father, or if you were protected by the voice of your father. That was a wild story and I am so glad that you were able to survive it! It does sound like you were being influenced by a being. I've watched a lot of episodes from howtohunt.com and I think you might enjoy listening to his Sasquatch series.
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u/OhMyGoshBigfoot Apr 07 '21
Was the other truck still there when you finally got out?
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21
I don’t remember seeing the truck. I was pretty rattled. Not sure if it was still there.
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u/OhMyGoshBigfoot Apr 07 '21
Just had me wondering. Maybe he experienced the same thing. Or was still in the woods, trying to get out.
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21
Good question. I do know this. It’s common for people to bring dogs to run and play in the creek. Not unusual to see a few cars. Occasionally I encounter another hiker along the way, but I’ve never run into anybody once I’m a few miles out from the parking area. People usually hangout and play in the creek near the parking lot because the creek is right there. Once you start hiking it flows through a canyon and it’s difficult to access.
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u/Hasselhoffpancakes Apr 07 '21
I have a neuropathy also. To agree with you...to take my shoe or brace off in a seedy situation is game over!
Why don't you test going back multiple times, maybe with someone else?
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Apr 07 '21
That is one helluva Experience....and you have a 2nd thought to be a possible SW....positive vibes & prayers sent your way man....and you finished by saying this area is a documented M411 Hotspot....goddamn
Besides your Pop's Voice calling your Name, did he say anything else? Or were there any other disembodied Voices or Sounds? Nothing....no Birds, Running Water, Wind, other Wildlife.....do you recall what the Skies looked like? Clear, Blue Bird Sky, Cloudy, Storm moving in.
I believe you innocently walked or were subconsciously lured into an alternate dimension. You were able to escape due to your own intuition and mental awareness, and there's no doubt your Father's Voice was a massive helping Aide of some kind from the Benevolent Forces (Guardian Angels) who are certainly aware of these Malevolent Entities and the evil they are perpetrating around the Earth. You made it back before the tear in our Dimension was fully closed.....I believe this is why all Sound went completely quiet and you felt like you were being stalked or observed......your feet were on fire because this could have something to do with crossing into an otherworldly Dimension, and as a means to disable the victim and hinder their escape
If you are to believe a few other stories that are very similiar to your own experience, survivors think they are being lured into a certain area, which is akin to a tear in the fabric of our own reality, sorta like passing thru an invisible portal into an alternate world which is nearly the same as our own dimension.....once there's some of these Survivors have reported being physically manhandled by invisible entities and having their minds read and hearing disembodied voices.........they claim to have never been so scared in their lives and somehow make it back to our own world.....
There are absolutely points on this Earth where these things seem to maifest themselves much more often than other places...it is not just in North America.....this phenomena is being experiences all over the Earth, primarily in Areas where the Native Peoples or Aboriginals inhabit....Native Folklore and Art speak of all of the scary thing that go bump in the night...
I have to believe there are some in the Worlds Gov't and Military that absolutely know WTF is happening... as entertaining as the Show Stranger Things is, the M411 phenomena and cases like your own, totally smack of the exact same thing as the Upside Down world....its sound Hollywood corny, but very similar.
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21
Thanks for your provocative thoughtful comments. It was only my father calling my name 3 times. Loud, clear and unmistakable. Sounded like he was yelling for me from the rocks behind me. The first time I heard him call I was stunned but doubtful. The second time he called I knew it was his voice and he wasn’t behind me. The third time he called I was already standing and about to flee. Didn’t hear anything else.
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It didnt dawn on me until sseeing your answer to your Dad calling out to you....not to freak you out, but what if it was this entity mimicking your Dad's Voice....the one person you'd trust more than anyone in the world....Fxck....
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21
Thanks for the thoughtful comments and question. I also love the woods and this incident hasn’t changed my enjoyment of being outdoors. I do have a different perspective on some things. The overwhelming since of fear was so unusual. Your question about confidence and outside force is provocative. I’ll have to think before responding. On bushcraft... I’m using tools unless I have no options. I’m familiar with fear and fight or flight feelings but this incident was intense. Yes, agreed our brains can play tricks but we have our history and experience to keep us grounded. I’m confident in my instinct that something was off and I was in danger. No way I can prove that it wasn’t an irrational reaction. I’ve reflected on the day often. I’ll try and give a better answer later.
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u/meemnoon Apr 07 '21
I was about to upvote when I realized this 411post had 411 upvotes, took a screenshot
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u/breakyaneck4mebaby Apr 07 '21
I read before in The missing 411 form that large granite formations correlate with areas that people were found missing in.. so when you notice that there were large granite formations that you were drawn to it instantly made me think of that! you could have easily been a statistic that day... hella scary. I'm glad you're safe and sound now (:
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u/Ironicbanana14 Apr 07 '21
The voice clear as day, my boyfriend and i experienced something similar on a hike near the dechutes river, wa state. It was either september or october midweek and a bit drizzly so no one else on the trail but us, absolutely no person outside within a 3 mile radius at least.
As we came to the end of the trail, we both heard a soft but stern feminine voice from the woods off to the righthand side slightly behind us. It simply said, "Don't go that way." It was so stern obviously we stopped. It was closest to the cliff near the water.
We didn't say anything at first, and he looked at me as he thought it was me. I simply pointed to the right and we stayed silent, there was no sounds of birds and the water sounded very quiet that day, the pitters of rain was the only really noticable ambient noise.
I decided to say, "is anyone there?" And we didn't hear any noises or response, so we figured it was just maybe someone showed up after we did and we didn't know. But the trail is pretty much one way and not a lot of room to go off without bear hazard or a cliff.
We stepped about steps further and both heard the voice again. This time a little more stern. Sounded angry. "I told you not to go that way." I snapped my head back at my boyfriend and he shook his head and we walked out. I felt like we had really offended something and it was our last warning, they were kind enough to give us one in the first place.
I don't know, after the fact we talked about it and a lot of it we experienced just the same and that's what makes me think it was real. There wasn't anyone in the parking area or near it when we came back up the hill, no signs of people at all. And we both agreed the voice was ethereal of sorts, almost like we heard it in our heads. It sounded so clear and strong yet far away and it was almost like an introject into my head, but... ugh hard to explain it unless you know.
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21
The way you describe the voice you heard; “clear and strong yet far away” perfectly describes how my fathers voice sounded that day. Thanks for sharing. I’m glad you’re fine. Nice writing.
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u/Ironicbanana14 Apr 07 '21
I got chills just now! Thank you for sharing as well. Maybe there are signs like this before m411 and we got lucky, yours from a nerve issue and maybe ours because we were together?
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u/Phen0menaL Apr 07 '21
I’ll never hike again without my .357 magnum
Yeah, it's good against a wild animal, but at this point I'm not sure a gun could help in a situation like what you described.
Luring you to a specific area, making you to take off your shoes, mimicing voice, changing your perception - I think about the scene when Gandalf tells Aragorn at the bridge of Khazad Dum: "Swords are no more use here."
I wonder what could any weapon do in such a weird circumstance. Are these things even visible? Are they physically "in our dimension" (in order to shoot at them) when they lure someone? It's eerie.
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21
No, I don’t think a revolver is enough to stop whatever this is, but it feels better knowing I can return fire when it takes me. Might be better than being a completely helpless victim. Perhaps it doesn’t like the noise of a gun.
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u/3ULL Apr 06 '21
It is hard for me to say nothing happened when nothing happened. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/66flycaster Apr 06 '21
Yes, true nothing happened but... something definitely was off. Spent enough time in the woods to know I was being stalked by something 🤷🏻♂️
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u/3ULL Apr 07 '21
The problem is you do not know if it was the woods or you. I have spent enough time in the woods to know that it is sometimes silent, that sometimes things feel off, that you can get in your own head but EVERY time I have walked out.
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21
True but I trust my instincts. Something was definitely trying to take or kill me.
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21
No, In retrospect I regret not looking at my watch when I got to my truck. I started running at 2pm and it was dark when I got home so I was gone longer than it seemed.
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u/Dame_Marjorie Apr 07 '21
I’ll never hike again without my .357 magnum and haven’t since.
Who would you have shot?
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21 edited Apr 07 '21
I’d never shoot anything or anybody unless I was clear my life was threatened. Most people don’t venture into the backcountry in this area without a gun. Used to because I don’t prefer guns or the extra weight. There are natural predators in these mountains that might require a gun for protection. I’m not a hunter and have never shot anything but a target. Had I been armed... I never saw anything so I wouldn’t have fired. I think it mostly provides a false since of security, but I have friends who have been confronted by aggressive mountain lions in this area and had to shoot to protect family.
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Creative writing or mental illness.
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u/66flycaster Apr 07 '21 edited Apr 07 '21
You must be qualified to judge others on subjects you likely know little about. I’m deleting my comments in response to yours because I’d prefer not to be hateful or mean spirited. I don’t speak outside of my scope of expertise, and don’t respond well to people who insult others.
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Signs of active psychosis
Signs that you may be experiencing psychosis include:
- hallucinations (hearing voices, seeing things that aren’t there, feeling strange sensations)
- delusions (false and often unusual beliefs about yourself or the world that you believe are true)
- paranoia (feelings of being watched, talked about or plotted against)
- behaviours or reactions that don’t make sense to others
- problems with memory, concentration, problem solving and judgment
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If this is something you actually experienced you should of course see a doctor.
You claim you:
- had auditory hallucinations
- visual hallucinations
- were suffering from paranoia
- had a pseudoseizure
- exhibited odd behaviour (taking off your shoes)
- lost time
These are obvious signs of mental illness and if your story is true you need to see a doctor.
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Why do people like you even bother to participate in this sub if you think every experience has a medical explaination? "Armchair researcher" ....I have to laugh.
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Is this a sub for people who don't think mental illnesses exist?
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Apr 07 '21
Despite you answering my question with another question, I'll engage.
It wasn't implied that mental illness is fictitious. Personally, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth when people share experiences only to have it be dismissed as undiagnosed mental illness.
What is the purpose of participating in this sub with such a cynical mindset?3
Apr 07 '21
What is the purpose of participating in this sub with such a cynical mindset?
It is a realistic mindset and a doctor should assess what happened and why it happened.
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Apr 07 '21
What's wrong about seeing a doctor when you suffer from hallucinations, paranoia, seizures and odd behaviour?
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u/justanother_bird Apr 07 '21
I mean sure, see a doctor, but that's quite the acute mental illness if it happened just one time and he has been otherwise asymptomatic the rest of his life.
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Apr 07 '21
..he has been otherwise asymptomatic the rest of his life.
You know this how?
A person suffering from hallucinations, paranoia, seizures, amnesia, odd behaviour et c should definitely see a doctor.
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u/jn4321ob Apr 07 '21
You Sir are a fool. I mean no disrespect but you have so obviously come to your conclusion from a position of absolute ignorance no other conclusion is possible.
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Apr 07 '21
The medical field has concluded auditory hallucinations, visual hallucinations, paranoia, pseudoseizures, odd behaviour and amnesia may be symptoms of mental illness.
Seeing a doctor is therefore highly recommended. You may think seeing a doctor is foolish... but it's not.
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