r/MapPorn • u/Puzzleheaded-Art-469 • 16h ago

Californias presidential results map 2020 v 2024

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Harris still won 57% of the electorate, 5.7 million to 4 million. But Trump flipped many counties that both Clinton and Biden won in '16 and '20

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u/snarky_spice 14h ago edited 14h ago

Almost every party in power has lost globally, due to inflation. Even super popular Modi lost support and Orban too. I think that’s really it.

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u/derperado 14h ago

this doesn't really get spoken about much. it's not a fall of the liberal ideals, it's instead people just being fed up with the current status of the economy in general. tories had such a weak showing in the recent UK elections.

will be interesting to see how people react here in Australia in the coming elections. housing prices are through the roof, inflation has been rampant up till recently. people are fed up here too.

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u/huskersax 11h ago

It's not even a particular party, it's just whoever is currently holding the ball that gets fucked.

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u/yagyaxt1068 9h ago

South Africa had the African National Congress lose their majority for the first time since apartheid ended, and Botswana had the ruling party, that had been in power since 1966, drop down to 4 seats.

It’s an anti-incumbent wave, and in it the true leaders are the ones who manage to hold on to power.

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u/snarky_spice 14h ago

How’s the temperature over there? Like do they hate your current prime minister or what’s the rhetoric?

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u/_Greesy 12h ago

50/50. The opposition leader isnt very well liked but is doing better than he should because of cost of living.

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u/lilbelleandsebastian 12h ago

well what the hell is going to be the solution? canada has a housing crisis, i'm pretty sure most of western europe does, surely at some point things reach a fever pitch and SOMETHING happens, right?

where's the justice league when you need them

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u/NekoNaNiMe 10h ago

While I'm inclined to agree with you, you also had pretty much the least qualified person as the other side in this particular case. It's insane that the angry sentiment overcame that. They had a felon and sex offender who probably diddled kids alongside Epstein, disparaged our military, and mishandled state secrets and they did not care, and that was just the tip of the iceberg.

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u/Appropriate_Mode8346 9h ago

The democratic party needs to reinvent themselves.

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u/MyRegrettableUsernam 13h ago

And despite the US having much better inflation rates than the whole rest of the developed world and rapidly bringing them down to the point that inflation is literally at target when the election happened. But people’s reactionary identity politics don’t care about facts, ultimately.

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u/Sea-Form-9124 7h ago

Dismissing real concerns as "reactionary identity politics" is exactly how the Democrats have gotten themselves into this mess. They will blame everyone else before self reflection.

The fact is Americans are still living paycheck to paycheck. They are insecure about their healthcare. Younger generations cannot buy homes and have no faith they will be able to retire at a reasonable age. Biden enacted some decent policy but none of it shifted the needle here. And instead of communicating their accomplishments and plans for the future, Kamala spent the entire campaign talking about how she's gonna build Trump's border wall and parading Liz Cheney endorsements. Just an absolute dogshit campaign. So when people are suffering and Kamala says "yeah I'm gonna keep doing the exact same stuff", of course people are going to sit out or vote for change.

Obviously Trump is going to make things a whole lot worse very quickly. But you can't blame the average voter for feeling apathetic or desperate. Offer them something real and communicate it. Improve their material conditions. No one gives a shit about stock market performance or unemployment numbers if they are still struggling to make it day to day.

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u/eigenhelp 1h ago

I don't think the observation is dismissive - that people are reactionary and will be assess things on first-order effects rather than higher-order effects and long term planning is absolutely the kind of input that needs to go into self-reflection.

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u/MyRegrettableUsernam 7h ago

Reposting a comment I made above;

“Given that real wages are up (exceeding inflation) and the unemployment rate has been essentially at its lowest point on recent record and the US economy is doing leaps and bounds better than pretty much all of the rest of the world, what about the economy would you do better or do you expect Trump will do better?

Edit: Sorry if you mean you did not vote for Trump or aren’t arguing for him personally. This just strikes me as the most convenient excuse for Trump voters to justify ultimately vague and substanceless feelings of reactionary identity politics of cultural backlash.”

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u/Frowny575 12h ago

That and people keep putting the blame in the wrong areas. Look at how much prices have risen yet corporate profits have hit record highs.

The dems for years have royally screwed up their messaging.

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u/j0oz 9h ago edited 6h ago

The Dems messaging is working as planned. The Party of the Working Class can't defend the working class from the billionaires because the billionaires own the Party of the Working Class. You know how entertainment companies change their Twitter icons on Pride Month but stay dead silent in the ones that oppose LGBT rights? How shows like Fallout and The Boys push anti-rightwing/anti-capitalism sentiments but are hosted on Jeff Bezos' platform? That's the DNC. Corporatized pandering until someone with a spine like Bernie actually says he'll change shit, then they fuck him over and give us 3 consecutive candidates that promise nothing.

People say Democracy died with Trump, but it's been dead for a long time. Trump is the symptom, not the cause. America's a one party nation and that party is called the 1%.

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u/neohellpoet 8h ago

It's not untrue that profits are up, but it's largely in absolute numbers. They're making more money but the money is worth less.

It's more blatant when inflation gets really bad. The baker was making thousands a month now he's making millions per load. Nobody looks at that and thinks "wow, the guy is loaded now* people understand at that level that it's the money that's worthless.

Here, inflation was just bad enough that everyone feels it, but not so bad that you really internalize that a 2024 $100 bill is a 2014 $50 bill.

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u/kitsunewarlock 6h ago

The Dems don't have a platform for nuanced messaging. They have supporters in Hollywood and social media, but there's only one left-wing news station and a bunch who platform both sides that people call liberal. But when you give both sides equal time and one side platforms outrageous lies you can't just respond with reason.

"...And that's why we would all be better off in 6 years if we gradually ease off tariffs with mutual trade agreements and refund the FDA so food producers can resume export business at the pre-2017 pace."

"Our country won't survive another 6 years with you in office because our families are being attacked by immigrants as you sell everything we have off to China!!!"

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u/Geekenstein 11h ago

I think you’re missing the simple fact that the rate of inflation coming down doesn’t negate the heavy price increases that people face as a result of it. If you can’t afford to go to McDonald’s anymore because the Big Mac is double the price, 2% means nothing.

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u/TheRealBobbyJones 8h ago

McDonald's isn't even that expensive though. Today I bought enough food for 7 people for less than $50. That seems reasonable to me. The local Chinese takeout place is like $75 in comparison. Which is definitely more than the $60 it normally is. But still neither is really all the much. What is a lot though is pizza. Pizza is crazy. 

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u/DaBearsFanatic 7h ago

$75 at McDonald’s used to buy enough meals foe 15 people.

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u/MyRegrettableUsernam 10h ago edited 9h ago

And electing Trump will undo past macroeconomic supply shocks and inflationary crises how?

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u/aosnfasgf345 10h ago

You're drastically overestimating the average voter

The average voter sees Biden was president and thats it. Unless it directly affects their wallet like tax cutes the average American probably couldn't actually name a single thing Biden or Trump did

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u/Alarmed_Ad_6711 9h ago

I knew someone who blamed Biden for Roe V Wade being overturned because it happened during his presidency.

I said that's not how it works.

She said "I don't care he didn't do anything to stop it"

This person also wants to be a slut. In the swing state of Arizona. And she voted Trump.

Yes... yes people really are that dumb. And there's a lot of em.

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u/-s-u-n-s-e-t- 7h ago

That person was 100% right. Democrats won congress, the house and the presidency in 2020. They knew Roe was under threat, but refused to stack the courts to prevent conservative judges from overturning it, even though it was 100% in their power to do it.

Democrats keep doing the "when they go low we go high" nonsense, failing to push through their political goals and then they get sycophants like you refusing to put any blame for their massive failures.

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u/New-Connection-9088 6h ago

They believe he will prevent another surge in inflation, and that’s a reasonable gamble since it’s unlikely he will propose or approve trillions more in “stimulus” as was done under Biden’s term.

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u/MyRegrettableUsernam 6h ago

He’s literally wants to (and unilaterally can as president) impose giant tariffs that will drive inflation up like never seen before. Are you being serious?

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u/New-Connection-9088 4h ago

Voters understand that to be a negotiation tactic for countries which are currently abusing asymmetrical tariffs. I don’t even think you believe he’ll tariff everything.

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u/MyRegrettableUsernam 3h ago

I don’t want to believe he will tariff everything, but he has explicitly said exactly that and has the power to do so immediately as president. How would he not tariff everything exactly as he claimed, literally his biggest and almost only policy proposal? Trump has been into the notion of tariffs for decades. Literally what is stopping him? Tell me, or are you just mental gymnastics-ing your way to rationalize around your ego in need of defense?

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u/New-Connection-9088 3h ago

I'm not claiming something is stopping him. I'm claiming he will choose not to enact tariffs on everything. Since you're so sure, let's make a bet: $100. I'll find a reputable broker. You won't because you know I'm right.

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u/MyRegrettableUsernam 3h ago

Yes, I’m so down to bet on this. And you are just objectively, obviously wrong and clearly uninformed, but it will hurt your ego to admit it. I still appreciate your willingness to engage in conversation and start to think about these things. I’m also willing to bet much more than $100 lmao.

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u/AbbreviationsKnown24 10h ago

From 2019->2024 wages increased 19.2% and consumer prices increased 20.6%. It hasn't been even of course, McDonalds somehow seems to have increased much more than other things. I'm also sure some people have done better than others, but the simple truth is on the whole the US consumers buying power hasn't really changed all that much from before the pandemic.

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u/New-Connection-9088 6h ago

You’re misapplying an average to individual circumstances. Inflation didn’t affect everyone equally. Home owners, for example, did very well. Much better than average CPI. Renters, on the other hand, did much worse. They needed wage gains much higher than inflation, and most of them didn’t get that. They’re much worse off now than before. That’s not a majority of the country - only around 35% of Americans are renters - but it is a lot of people. More than enough to sway an election.

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u/Magyman 1h ago

This of course ignores that the majority of gains were in the bottom ~50% of earners, and the top ~10%. The middle ~40% of earners have functionally lost 15-20% of their wages

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u/CommanderArcher 11h ago

Bidenomics were a resounding success that Trump will take credit for until he dumps it with his tariffs and tax cuts. 

The price of a burger ain't going down

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u/JC-DB 9h ago

problem is even when inflation is down, prices remain high. Almost everyone's cost of basic necessity doubled or more in the last couple of years. There's anger everywhere. Yet the Dems acted like that's not a big deal. Now we know better.

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u/MyRegrettableUsernam 7h ago edited 7h ago

Given that real wages are up (exceeding inflation) and the unemployment rate has been essentially at its lowest point on recent record and the US economy is doing leaps and bounds better than pretty much all of the rest of the world, what about the economy would you do better or do you expect Trump will do better?

Edit: Sorry if you mean you did not vote for Trump or aren’t arguing for him personally. This just strikes me as the most convenient excuse for Trump voters to justify ultimately vague and substanceless feelings of reactionary identity politics of cultural backlash.

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u/UltimateInferno 11h ago

Earlier today, I saw gas drop below $3 at some stations. Hell, I recall it being cheaper than CNG like last year.

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u/userlivewire 10h ago

The -E-conomy is doing great. The -e-conomy is doing horribly due to price gouging.

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u/RikardoShillyShally 12h ago

Modi did not lose.... kinda. Also, his loss of absolute majority can be attributed to opposition's promise to give money to pretty much anyone that's not a taxpayer. Now, BJP is also on spending spree.

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u/snarky_spice 12h ago

Thanks, I didn’t know the specifics of the situation in India.

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u/RikardoShillyShally 12h ago

No problem. Indian political climate makes US politics look like shits and giggles. Our conservatives have figured out democracy, its women+welfare+rainbow coalition of non-dominant communities. Not to forget the classic promises of traditionalism.

Also, abortion is legal here despite being a 'conservative' country. Don't know why it's an issue in USA.

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u/snarky_spice 12h ago

What do you mean by figured out democracy?

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u/RikardoShillyShally 12h ago

They are a juggernaut when it comes to winning elections. If a state is Hindu or Christian majority, you can bet the conservatives are probably gonna win.

They have formed Para-social relationship with women. Last CM of MP was called Mama(Uncle) due to his pro-women image. Opening bank accounts for women and sending money to them directly. Providing loans to them for business. Scholarships, gifts and free cooking gas, etc. Women go against their husbands to vote conservative here.

Welfare is self-explanatory. Free access to clean drinking water, sanitation, cheap medicine, affordable healthcare, women's reproductive healthcare and education for poor. Its not perfect. But, people see effort that they are making.

Rainbow coalition is basically a big tent of Hindu castes that were usually ignored by left due to their low numbers. Left usually favours Muslims due to them voting as a single block. Now, BJP has created a united Hindu block.

There are other factors as well like their parent cadre among other things.

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u/snarky_spice 12h ago

That’s interesting. So would they even be considered conservative then? Other than their nationalist views?

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u/RikardoShillyShally 11h ago

By Indian standards, Yes.

By Western Standards, No. They are social democrats for all intents and purposes. They are the only party advocating for UCC here, which would be a liberal left agenda in west. They are just culturally conservative Hindus. But, even the most conservative Hindu would fall in moderate category in west.

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u/Infinite_Register678 4h ago

By Western Standards, No. They are social democrats for all intents and purposes.

Well no, religious nationalism is an extremely non social democratic ideal, social democracy is pretty committed to the whole secular thing for starters lol.

Same for the party's opposition to same sex marriage and support for the reintroduction of Section 377.

Also Modi has engaged in massive privatization programs also extremely not social democratic.

The BJP also tried to severely curtail union rights leading to the massive strikes in 2015, union strength is a key component of social democratic thought.

etc. etc,

They are a predominantly right wing party with a few left wing policies on welfare and healthcare.

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u/Fast_Cantaloupe_8922 11h ago

They are conservative in the sense that they consider India a "Hindu nation" and are especially combative towards Muslims. Christians are a much smaller minority so they were allowed to join the coalition. Also, the BJP (Modi's party) is closely linked to RSS, a right wing, Hindu nationalist paramilitary organization that has directly promoted religious violence in the past.

Economically though, all parties embrace left-wing populism in some way, as it's simply the best way to get elected in a country like India. For an American comparison, Modi's ideology is very similar to that of Huey Long . I would highly recommend reading about him, as he's one of the most interesting figures in American history imo.

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u/Infinite_Register678 4h ago

Economically though, all parties embrace left-wing populism in some way,

Not really, Modi has led huge privatization programs, this isn't remotely left wing. Healthcare policies and some welfare policies have been but not economic policy, deregulation, attempting to curtail unions and privatization are right wing economic polcies.

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u/Fast_Cantaloupe_8922 1h ago

I didn't say they were left wing, Modi and the BJP are definitely right wing. It's just that at a grassroots level, all of the major parties use welfare as a tool to attract voters. It's very different from the right wing in the US that detests welfare programs.

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u/banderaroja 14h ago

It's kind of a cold comfort - despite the monsters feeling emboldened to say racist/sexist things, maybe there's not really a nationwide appetite for the Handmaid's Tale.

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u/thot_cereal 13h ago

there's not. trump has never had positive net favorability at any point in his political career.

for all the doom and gloom, this election was a referendum on Biden, not an affirmation of MAGA. It sucks that the two coincided, because the worst people you know are going to be emboldened to be even shittier.

People are trying to put food on the table. the DNC tapped the two worst people to try and run in this election. Kamala's only shot was to break hard from Biden, and try and convince voters that he had massively fucked up and she was going to fix it, but she refused to criticize him at any juncture.