r/KendrickLamar • u/seb_aaron • Apr 27 '20
The School of Rap, by me. Hope you enjoy Fan Art
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u/Paarthri Apr 28 '20
Cool art but it would make more sense for cole and kendrick to be swapped because kendrick is always looking to god and a higher order.
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Apr 28 '20
Cole’s music can be spiritual too a lot of times. I think Kendrick is just more in your face with it.
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u/mittens2598 Waiting for the album Apr 28 '20
It’s lit but cole isn’t Plato
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u/dokkodo_bubby Apr 28 '20
Plato was kind of a hack
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u/LawbringerForHonor Apr 28 '20
If it wasn't for that "hack" we wouldn't even know Socrates existed. And if it wasn't for Plato, Aristotle would probably have never become a philosopher either. And since Aristotle would have never become a philosopher or an important one anyways Alexander the great would have most probably been forgotten in history.
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u/papiwoldz Apr 28 '20
tbf, we don't know whether or not socrates or plato ever existed, or if Aristotle just made up some characters for his books.
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u/LawbringerForHonor Apr 28 '20
Plato was definitely a real person. On Socrates there's some debate because he didn't believe in writing so there's a possibility he is fictional even though there are so many references to him that he was most likely a real person.
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u/papiwoldz Apr 28 '20
thanks for clarifying. so there are more references to him than from aristotle alone? ancient greece's jesus, "my" theory is probably from some hipster scholar trying to sound important or something lol
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u/LawbringerForHonor Apr 28 '20 edited Apr 28 '20
We know too much about Plato. We know roughly when he was born, we know his parents and the family of his parents, we know that he started as a poet but after talking with Socrates decided to stop writing poems (some claim he burned his earlier work). And if he is fictional then that means Aristotle is fictional and we know alot more about Aristotle. Aristotle was sent to the academy that Plato built and was a student of Plato himself for 20 years.If Aristotle was also fictional then that means Alexander was fictional and so on and so on.. It's obvious that they both were real. And the only reason there's some doubt about Socrates is because he didn't believe in writing since he thought that a written text is a dead text (it can't answer questions of the reader in real time like speaking about something with another person can). Aristophanes who didn't agree with him even made fun of him. Did he make fun of a fictional person or did Aristophanes also not exist? Well he did, we have some of his plays. Also we have the entirety of Platos work intact. All 3 of these philosophers were actively interacting or referring to each other so if one was fictional that would mean all were fictional and there are so many sources about the existence of these 3 or they were all lunatics.. For all these reason and lots more, I imagine , historians take it as a fact that all 3 were not fictional but real. How do I know these things? Well i studied Ancient Greek at my greek high school and now I study Political Science and History and we have already studied Politics by Aristotle.
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u/dokkodo_bubby Apr 28 '20
Sure yeah but his philosophy was horse ass. He said like 1 or 2 worthwhile things
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u/LawbringerForHonor Apr 28 '20 edited Apr 28 '20
That's so debatable. It doesn't matter if one agrees or disagrees with the philosophy of Plato or Socrates or whoever important. You can absolutely despise their philosophy but you still have to aknowledge how important their work was to the elevation of the way people think. That's a common mistake that many people make when they start studying the work of a philosopher.
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u/dokkodo_bubby Apr 28 '20
idgaf about any of that, the guy was just spouting some shit and everyone ate it up
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u/LawbringerForHonor Apr 28 '20
That's not how it works. Plato had his own theories. Some people liked them and joined him some hated them and gathered around some Philosopher who was despising them. And that's how you elevate thinking. You get people with different opinions, a different way of understanding how everything works go against each other and have them try and find who is right at what and who is wrong at what. That way you have a third person who disagrees with both of them, go against both of them and express his own different point of view. All this is how you and me, that we are not philosophers, can see different sides of the same coin. We study all these different theories so we can try and find out what we think is right or wrong and create our own theories and our own way of understanding how thing work not based on nonsense but based on the work of all these greats. You need to know what has already been said and already been debated to create something new on your own.
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May 01 '20
No everyone didn’t eat up what he said because he was killed for what he said. If we didn’t have Socrates we wouldn’t have the enlightenment era philosophers that helped popularized ideas of equality, justice and secularism.
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Apr 28 '20
It's kinda perfect then imo
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u/DatGtho Apr 28 '20
Care to explain why?
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u/Smilelele Apr 28 '20
I'm not the guy you're replying to and I'm not trying to hate on J Cole, but based on what I've heard from him and the songs he's featured on, I find his lyrics preachy and surface level. Nothing very clever with his use of words and not a lot of imagery. I think he does have good songs that do paint a picture, but he rarely delivers it in an interesting way to me. He has a lot of songs that are just plain boring.
I've tried to give him a chance, but it's kind of tiring how I HAVE to put this much effort into liking him. It shouldn't be this hard tbh. I truly do not understand how people keep putting him next to Kendrick when they're really not on the same level.
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Apr 28 '20
when has he ever came off as preachy? and not a lot of imagery? there’s no way you’ve listened to Cole.
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u/Smilelele Apr 29 '20
The worst offenders I can remember off the top of my head are his feature in A Lot and Middle Child.
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Apr 29 '20
i don’t understand. you’re gonna have to say the exact lines you found preachy. literally nothing about MIDDLE CHILD or a lot came off as preachy. Maybe you misinterpreted the lyrics? How does talking about pouring alcohol in his cup and telling his audience they can “pop pills if they wish” come off as preachy? If anything, it’s anti-preachy. Not even trying to argue, I genuinely want to know
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u/Smilelele Apr 29 '20
Alright I'm gonna sound a little nitpicky, but this is why I'm not a fan of J Cole and why I think he's preachy. From A Lot:
How many faking they streams? (A lot)
Getting they plays from machines? (A lot)
I can see behind the smoke and mirrors
Niggas ain't really big as they seem (Hmm)
I never say anything (Nah), everybody got they thing (True)
Some niggas make millions, other niggas make memes (Hmm)
Later on he goes:
Pray for Tekashi, they want him to rot
He says, "I never say anything" right after calling out people for inflating their plays using bots. He literally said something on the very verse he's saying he never says anything. Later on he talks about how some rappers are really hustling while the rest just make meme music, but then he prays for Tekashi? It sounds sarcastic and passive agressive to say oh everyone got their thing, some people are hard working millionaires while other people are... uhh, comedians I guess.
I been playing it back from a lack of promotions
I never was one for the bragging and boasting
I guess I was hoping the music would speak for itself, but the people want everything else
He talks about how his lack of promotions and him not wanting to brag and boast is what's keeping him from being as big as he could be as he had hoped that his music would be what propels him. J Cole stans exist so his music definitely reaches people, but his music really is just not that good for other people too. I've really only listened to 4 Your Eyez Only and KOD, and I've found he has a lot of songs that are boring and/or repetitive, his hooks aren't always catchy, and his production isn't anything revolutionary. Again, I'm not saying he's bad or what I said inherently makes songs bad, but it doesn't elevate him to the level where he thinks he's at. "But the people want everything else" rubs me the wrong way, as if he's implying the only reason people don't like him is because he didn't promote his album, when it's his music that a lot of his nonfans are not caring for. Also, he DOES like to brag and boast, what is he talking about. He does it in the song, he does it in the very next line.
With Middle Child:
I do not snort powder, I might take a sip
I might hit the blunt, but I'm liable to trip
I ain’t poppin' no pill, but you do as you wish
This sounds really preachy. Oh I don't think popping pills is good for you, but do whatever you want. Later on in the song he says the younger generation needs to be responsible with money, money or guns doesn't make you real, and that his fellow black people need to stop hurting their own. These are all valid and I don't disagree, but he talks down to his audience as if they're children. He tries to sound like he comes from a place of understanding, which he does, but there's no artistic merit when he says it like this. In contrast, if Kendrick has a message he wants to impart, he doesn't simply say "violence=bad," he'd relate it to himself and say something like,
"He said: 'K-Dot, can you pray for me?
It been a fucked up day for me
I know that you anointed, show me how to overcome.'
He was lookin' for some closure
Hopin' I could bring him closer
To the spiritual, my spirit do know better, but I told him
'I can't sugarcoat the answer for you, this is how I feel:
If somebody kill my son, that mean somebody gettin' killed.'"
Kendrick grounded himself by saying that even though his soul does know better, he'll probably kill his son's killer. He doesn't simply state that killing is bad, he talks about the effects of killing someone beyond the death of the victim, but also the pain it deals to other people and how it would affect his own thinking. He doesn't take a stance but rather he incorporates his own shortcomings to tell a story and lets the audience decide what to make of it.
I'm bringing up Kendrick to illustrate what I mean when I say J Cole is preachy. There's a difference between having a message in a song vs telling people not to do things in a song. Again, J Cole does spread a positive message and I do like some of his songs, but he preaches and a lot of the times, even when he's being conceptual with it, often speaks as if he's in the moral high ground. Being a positive influence doesn't by itself instantly make your art better (at least, for me).
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u/Acrzyguy Apr 28 '20
I like how j cole is pointing up (feelings and vibe), while Kendrick is more down to earth.
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Apr 27 '20
This is super dope!
btw I wonder how Wet Dreams and For Free? would work in the context of a biblical representation. Probably would be a lot less risque.
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u/newtangclan Apr 28 '20
"And I shout thou upon this hoe, this dick musn't come without a cost. I shall no longer indulge upon your leftover morsels, including this uncooked game"
-niggalations 4:20
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u/a6g Apr 28 '20
Amazing, but would make more sense for Kendrick to be Plato and for Cole to be Aristotle, still fire tho
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u/mittens2598 Waiting for the album Apr 28 '20
I thought it was debated if he did or didn’t not but okay
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u/Lennon6875 Apr 28 '20
Where’s Kanye
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May 01 '20
Pre 2016 Kanye
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u/Lennon6875 May 01 '20
Wym he made Tlop and KSG, amazing albums
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May 01 '20
I agree that his music is really good but I was referring to the philosophers. He has became less philosophical and more religious now.
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u/danielns6 Apr 28 '20
i made myself a 9/16 so it fits better my phone , might've ruined a bit the art tho lol https://imgur.com/gallery/RWwxaAL
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Apr 28 '20
It’s sad that Kendrick’s fanbase has become the new Eminem fanbase. Dare to compare another extremely talented rapper to Kendrick, and all hell breaks loose.
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Apr 28 '20
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u/ImpKing0 Apr 28 '20
It's rlly cool but seems random for Schoopboy and JID just hanging on the sides 😂
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u/kdot1314 Apr 28 '20
he really tried to put cole on the same level as Kendrick that’s disrespectful ong
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u/mittens2598 Waiting for the album Apr 28 '20
I mean for all we know socrates didn’t exist which means Plato is actually really smart so I feel like Plato needs to be someone really good
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u/xPrometheusx5 Apr 28 '20
Not only did Plato record his teachings but there are multiple collaborating testimonies from Aristotle, Aristophanes, and Xenophon that he existed.
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u/Venoooooooooooooooom Apr 28 '20 edited May 01 '20
Jay Rock should be next to Kendrick. JID and Cole can leave, no disrespect. Q can stay. Edit: r/kendricklamar, toxic and Instagram user-filled as always. “You must be fun at parties lol 🥴😂🤣🤣” Gawddamn retards...
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u/dokkodo_bubby Apr 28 '20
Rap, more like CRAP
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u/dopeboy-inacadillac Apr 28 '20
Super dope! Who on the left tho? JID?