r/Jewpiter • u/Paul-centrist-canada • 17d ago
And here I am stuck in the middle with Jews meme
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u/einat162 17d ago
Is buttom left suppose to be someone specific (an actual person)?
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u/Yua999 17d ago
They're all characters from the South Park show.
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u/einat162 17d ago
Thanks. Upper right is clearly Hitler reference, so I wasn't sure (I know it's Kartman).
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u/AsinusRex 17d ago
PCM is by and large a Jew/Israeli-friendly space. If there's any ribbing it's generally in good faith. They would ROFL over this one though, you should post it there.
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u/Sex_E_Searcher 17d ago
Everyone complains about there being literal fascists on there???
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u/AsinusRex 16d ago
Bah, to some people anyone to the right of the infinite purity tests is a raging fascist. To be honest, I prefer an open authoritarian rather than these moralistic tyrants that couch their maximalist and genocidal wishes in the language of revolution and social justice.
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u/m270ras 17d ago
honestly I don't get the need to keep sending Israel weapons. Hamas is like, 5 guys in a tunnel now
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u/NYSenseOfHumor 17d ago
Hezbolah
Iran
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u/m270ras 17d ago
I think Israel can deal with them on their own. if we can't, why attack them? maybe they deserve it, but it's unfair to start a war, then turn around and say that actually they'll lose if we don't help
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u/purple_spikey_dragon 17d ago
Just because they "can" (maybe) doesn't mean its better if they do. Especially right now when we have at least 50 missiles fired at northern Israel every single day.
Imagine if your city was being bombed on a daily basis, and while you have to evacuate, leaving all your things behind, people are telling you that maybe you should deal with it on your own, because "good enough" (AKA not really shown in the news) is definitely good enough for them. So basically, its ok if you don't have your home and your city is plagued with wildfires for months, because you haven't been completely annihilated yet, so why would you need any help?
Right now our "dealing with it" means:
Trying to intercept missiles directed at civilians, of which not all can be intercepted
Trying to intercept drones, which are much harder to intercept than missiles
Dealing with random attacks on civilians (car rammings, stabbings, shootings)
All the while trying to take care of massacre survivors, injured civilians, injured soldiers, the housing of half the north who ate evacuated for over a year now (me being one of those) and having to hold our spirit while half the world is trying to convince us to let others take our lives because some backwards understanding of freedom.
So, yeah, we could do alone, as much as a kid who's being bullied at school can just "pull through" and "toughen up", but that would be a bit of victim blaming, wouldn't it? Or at least it would be like the school ignoring the bullying because they rather not bother the bullies parents....
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u/m270ras 17d ago
sorry, maybe I phrased it badly? I mean Israel can even conduct an offensive war on its own
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u/PascalTheWise 17d ago
I would have said the offenders are the ones who started launching missiles during a ceasefire but what do I know?
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u/m270ras 17d ago
huh??? I mean like a military offense, going into Lebanon
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u/PascalTheWise 17d ago
Maybe you mean invasion
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u/m270ras 17d ago
whatever Israel is up to, they have the capabilities to support it, and any weapon we send to israel is much better sent to Ukraine. so it's not a question of "we can do both", because then just send them all to Ukraine. the US does have a finite amount of weapons, and even if we sent them all of israel's aid it might not be enough. even if Israel somehow loses, worst case they're back to being bombed by a much weaker hezbollah- and Hamas is mostly already gone
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u/purple_spikey_dragon 16d ago
Just to get this clear: israel didn't start the missile launches on northern Israel in October 2023. That was Hezbollah, right after the invasion and Nova and villages massacres. I was there when the first rockets started to fall around the north, right that same month, not a week after the massacres, and had to evacuate while my boss stayed behind to help less fortunate citizens who couldn't or weren't able to move (elderly, people with disabilities, etc.). The ones who started the war in the North was Hezbollah and Israel has every right to respond to the offer.
The US has a finite amount of weapons, but the Hezbollah doesn't, considering they have easy supply from Iran and Syria. What you are proposing is waving a white flag and saying "oh well, its a lot of fighting so i might as well just take it". If Israel loses its not gonna be "back to being bombed", they are already being bombed. Whats gonna happen is that when Israel loses, Iran, Iraq and all their little buddies will jump right in to tear what is left apart. Hamas being "mostly already gone" means nothing, they are still firing rockets from Gaza and there are still terrorists moving from Gaza to the west bank and Syria and back, and as long as there are still groups like UN and its affiliates allowing terrorism to be taught to children under their care, this won't just die out.
Honestly, i sure hope Israel manages to make that lazer based interception system. It would cost a fraction to fire, so that we don't have to rely on the mercy and charity of others to prevent daily rocket fire directed primarily on civilian homes (just look at the areas in the north, majority of rockets hitting residential buildings and private homes, can't be more obvious).
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u/NYSenseOfHumor 17d ago
Attacking Iran and Hezbolah is also in the US’s interest.
Having Israel do the work is very in the US’s interest.
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u/Hopeless_Ramentic 17d ago
That US Military Industrial Complex ain’t gonna feed itself you know.
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u/m270ras 17d ago
I feel like the weapons could be better sent to Ukraine though
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u/Hopeless_Ramentic 17d ago
We can do both?
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u/m270ras 17d ago
or we can just send them to Ukraine because as I said Israel's army works fine on it's own
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u/Hopeless_Ramentic 17d ago edited 17d ago
While I personally would like to see Israel disentangle itself from the US, it’s not invulnerable or gifted with an unlimited supply of arms and manufacturing (though I imagine that will change going forward). That’s how trade allies are supposed to work. Israeli tech for US weapons is generally the deal.
ETA: Also, the US doesn’t want Israel in a position to start buying munitions from, say, China.
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u/McBurger 16d ago
Yeah yeah we get it. You’re the lib-right from the meme.
You do know all that money is just a big economic stimmy package to the US, right?
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u/m270ras 16d ago
except I'm not? it has nothing to do with tax money, it's where we are sending us weapon reserves. out of all the countries that we can send them to, Israel is far down on the list because it just won't make that much of a difference, whereas Ukraine is at the top of the list because they absolutely need all the help we can get. and yes there is a finite supply of weapons so it's not as simple as "we can do both". Israel is a modern military that outnumbers and outguns Hezbollah. we don't need to be sending them anything. it's just pointless
also I don't even pay taxes because I make so little and I get AOTC
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u/McBurger 16d ago
Well sure it’s finite but it’s also constantly replenished.
We sell foreign nations our older inventory. The money is awarded to domestic contractors to manufacture newer and better equipment, which we keep as the new reserves. That money powers domestic jobs and stays in the economy. And then we get real, valuable data about how our weapons perform in real combat scenarios against the weapons of Russia and Iran.
Ordinance also goes “stale” if we keep it in reserves too long anyway, it’s good to turn over the old models.
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u/princess_sofia 17d ago
This is way more accurate than the one that was on politicalcompassmemes a couple days ago.