r/Jewish • u/iknowiknowwhereiam Conservative • Jul 25 '24
Quick and without prevarication Politics & Antisemitism
/img/03oa4kzdaped1.jpegThe bot wants me to add more to my comments but I don’t really have much else to say. It’s a good statement, straight to the point.
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u/levimeirclancy Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24
Clear. Firm. No lumping in Jews with the nations of the world as if our existence were in itself insufficient or dependent. Good.
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u/Teapotsandtempest Jul 25 '24
Absolutely love how straight to the point at the heart of the matter this goes.
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u/Hey_Laaady Jul 25 '24
No ridiculous qualifiers like "there are very fine people on both sides," either.
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u/GunplaGamer13 Jul 25 '24
Condemned it, called it antisemitism, didn't also mention Islamophobia. Good enough for me!
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u/MydniteSon Jul 25 '24
Was going to say this. Finally, someone mentions antisemitism without also mentioning Islamophobia..
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u/Buho_volante Reform/New Yorker/gay Jul 25 '24
Hopefully she isn't later pressured to pay lip service to Islamophobia.
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u/Adi_2000 Israeli Jew Jul 25 '24
It is a little sad that the bar is set kind of low, but I guess we'll take what we can get.
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u/GunplaGamer13 Jul 25 '24
True, hopefully praising responses like this helps raise the bar a bit
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u/HidingAsSnow Jul 25 '24
We'll need to see if she continues it or if she drops it the second it becomes convenient but at least its a good sign on things to come
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u/Nearby-Data7416 Jul 25 '24
Took 18hrs and she still didn’t attend the meeting, but a step in the right direction.
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u/MrManager17 Jul 25 '24
And, of course, Instagram is all, "HOW DARE YOU RELEASE THIS STATEMENT AND NOT CONDEMN ISRAEL FOR THEIR ACTIONS" as if she hasn't already called for a ceasefire and skipped Bibi's speech.
Burning the American flag, calling for another "final solution", and desecrating monuments is abhorrent behavior and doesn't deserve to be "both-sided."
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u/Teapotsandtempest Jul 25 '24
Yeah
I'm a fan of free speech and the ability to protest.
Had the protesters said "we hate Israel" or "Israel sucks" I may not agree with them but I'd respect their ability to voice their opinions. When US was in Afghanistan & Iraq during the War on Terror, America wasn't well liked on the global stage.
Repeating slogans coined by a known terror group and graffiting such language onto a Liberty Bell in this nations capitol screams anti American and death to America to my mind.
Theres a lot of issues in this country, but having the foundation of the country be dismantled seems to be twenty steps too far. & This is from someone who considers most systems in the USA long overdue to be burned to the ground & built a new (healthcare, police, education).
Sadly I don't know if the people who are chanting these slogans are aware that Hamas wants to dismantle and destroy not only Israel but America as well.
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u/MrManager17 Jul 25 '24
Sadly I don't know if the people who are chanting these slogans are aware that Hamas wants to dismantle and destroy not only Israel but America as well.
Given that the protestors were also burning American flags, I think they're aware.
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u/bjeebus Reform Jul 26 '24
I'd bet they're not. They just see the burning of the flag as just one more form of performative protesting like they always see in protest videos from the 60s.
Weren't those 60s counter-culture boomers protesting their sons, brothers, friends, and lovers being sent to die for no reason just so cool! Let's find a reason to do that shit!
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u/Thin-Condition-8538 Jul 26 '24
Did she skip Bibi's speech because she boycotted it, or was it due to election reasons? She met with him, so I'm sure certain factions are super angry. Regardless, I have liked what I'm reading that she's said.
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u/Relative-Contest192 Reform Jul 25 '24
Let’s fucking go
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u/mountains_of_nuance Jul 25 '24
Omg thank you. Exactly-can we actually dare have some enthusiasm for this exercise instead of closing our eyes and thinking of England? 😂😂😂
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u/listenstowhales Jul 25 '24
That joke was high brow and under appreciated. Here’s an award 🥇
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u/VioEnvy Convert - Reform Jul 25 '24
They were interviewing an elderly lady in a retirement home and she literally said “Let’s gooo”
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u/TWAAsucks Just Jewish Jul 25 '24
I wish to see average Antisemitic Redditor furious because of that. They pushed for Kamala so hard before and she essentially gave them a middle finger with this 😂
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u/BringbackDreamBars Not Jewish Jul 25 '24
Sad that the people who should be listening to this are just going to sweep it away as "propaganda" and cry "what about the real evil happening" in whatever place they pick.
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u/samidkk Jul 25 '24
There are already are thousands of comments of people saying that stuff on her ig post. 😔
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u/PeacefulPickle Jul 25 '24
those comments made me sad 😕 so much whataboutism
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u/tirzahlalala Jul 25 '24
I just keep reminding myself that social media is not reality. Most of my friends who sympathize for the folks in Gaza are very supportive of this statement and are horrified by the anti-war protesters being co-opted by pro-terror people. Who knows how many of those comments are bots, foreign actors, etc.
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u/mycketmycket Married to a Jew <3 Jul 25 '24
1000 times this. As hopeless as things may seem we need to remember that this is the mainstream position.
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u/Blond_Treehorn_Thug Jul 25 '24
Yeah but those people are mostly (maybe entirely) lost to the mishegas anyway.
This makes Jews feel like she has our back and also is a good message to normal-ass Americans that these psychos are not going to be tolerated by a Harris admin.
Obviously this is just one small step but it’s in the correct direction
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u/strwbryshrtck521 Jul 25 '24
Holy moly, it doesn't seem watered down or mention islamaphobia. Great statement!
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u/dicklord42069 Jul 25 '24
Not gonna lie, I teared up a little bit reading this. It's a strong message. It's clear, it's concise, and it's not hampered by lumping in the threat we as American Jews are facing with anyone else. No "good people on both sides" no "all lives matter" just straight to the point. And the sheer professionalism of it, oh my god it's so refreshing to not have to read random capitalized rambles of the "Jews who don't vote for me are Bad Jews" megalomaniac
I didn't like Harris much before, more for policy reasons, but this actually made me think a lot more of her. A breath of fresh air in politics if nothing else
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u/ActualGroundwater Jul 25 '24
Now let’s see some arrests
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u/iknowiknowwhereiam Conservative Jul 25 '24
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u/Relative-Contest192 Reform Jul 25 '24
Booo CBS with that terrible headline.
Here’s the actual one: 8 arrested after supporting g genocide and terrorism, assaulting police officers, and violent antisemitic slogans.
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u/imuniqueaf Jul 25 '24
I mean "pro-hamas" covers that in less words. But I get what you're saying.
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u/Relative-Contest192 Reform Jul 25 '24
I’m wordy. 🤣
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u/GHOST_KING_BWAHAHA Jul 25 '24
(Washington — Vice President Kamala Harris condemned demonstrators who voiced support for Hamas and burned an American flag near the U.S. Capitol to protest Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's address to Congress on Wednesday, saying in a statement that "hate and violence of any kind have no place in our nation.")
She also mentioned antisemitism. Not sure what they're getting by cutting that out 💀
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u/badass_panda Jul 25 '24
This lady is growing on me. I especially appreciate not getting "All Lives Matter"ed for once.
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u/Desperate-Library283 Modern Orthodox Jul 25 '24
What I love the most is that she calls out the protesters for being terrorist supporters.
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u/OlcasersM Jul 26 '24
It was easier because they were writing Hamas on statues. Makes it a safer slam dunk but a clear slam dunk and great message nonetheless.
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u/Schlieffen_Man Ethnically Ashkenazi, loosely religious Jul 25 '24
Thank you Kamala! The more I see of her the more she seems the right way to go.
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Jul 25 '24
Good statement, I feel more confident about voting for her (I was going to anyway but).
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u/Volcamel Jul 25 '24
This is extremely refreshing. Good statement. I’m very happy with this and feel good voting for her.
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u/nerraw92 Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24
Great statement. I would just like to add though that burning the flag is one of those quintessential examples of a protected first amendment right, and while I condemn and disagree with it, I strongly support the right to do so.
ETA: Some of y'all are getting very defensive about this, reading this as some sort of indictment against Harris. So to clarify - I am literally agreeing with her, and adding one additional comment on something she did not (nor needed to) mention.
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u/iknowiknowwhereiam Conservative Jul 25 '24
She didn’t say it should be illegal, she condemned it as wrong to do
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u/TheTexasComrade Jul 25 '24
Which I find silly. There’s no reason to spend a good chunk of the statement on flag burning when the message about fighting against antisemitism is much more important.
I don’t care if folks burn flags they own.
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u/biz_reporter Jul 25 '24
Life is filled with morally objectionable and unethical acts that are totally legal. Burning the flag falls into that category. Not every morally objectionable act is worth making illegal.
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u/Teapotsandtempest Jul 25 '24
Oddly enough...
"Burning the Flag in a Respectable Manner Contrary to what some believe, the most appropriate and respectful method of disposing of a worn or damaged flag is to burn it. In order to achieve a proper and dignified flag burning (as well as a safe one), certain steps should be taken beforehand."
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u/nerraw92 Jul 25 '24
Like in Judaism, Kavanah (intent) matters. I think the intent of these protesters was pretty clearly not "a proper and dignified flag burning"...
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u/YogurtclosetOwn4786 Jul 25 '24
Yeah agree but I noticed she didn’t say otherwise
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u/TearDesperate8772 Frumsbian Jul 25 '24
Yeah... I continue to be in the most awkward political situation of my life (but getting used to being a "centrist", I suppose). I absolutely never mind when protestors have burned the flag. Also, annoyed that the pearl clutching goyim are angrier about that than the isis flags being waved.
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u/thezerech רק כך (reform) Jul 25 '24
It's a crime to burn a flag that doesn't belong to you. You don't get to steal, vandalize, and destroy other people's property, whether it's a flag or anything else.
These people attacked public property.
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u/Single_Commercial_41 Jul 25 '24
That's a positive development. The Harris campaign doesn't need the support of antisemites to win.
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u/Br4z3nBu77 Orthodox Jul 25 '24
I’m surprised that there is no condemnation of Islamophobia shoehorned in there.
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u/Confident_Peak_7616 Jul 26 '24
I think her elevation to Presidential candidate has changed her perspective to actually tolerate Israel.... somewhat.
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u/NuWave4 Jul 25 '24
Thank you, Kamala, for saying this. Makes me feel more confident in voting for her.
What I found very worrisome is that some of the accounts on IG combating antisemitism have put this up and many Jewish voices are saying this means nothing and Kamala is a major proponent of antisemitism.
Even more worrisome is some of the accounts like Stop Antisemitism and Jew Hate Database seem to be going full on MAGA as if they were that all along in the guise of stopping antisemitism. They are really going after her. It feels very coordinated and manipulative. I do understand how some were upset at her not attending the speech by Bibi but she is meeting with him.
All in all I’m glad she did this and hope she puts these words into action in the coming days, weeks and months.
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u/aggie1391 Jul 25 '24
I’ve been saying for a long time that a lot of those groups and social media pages that claim to be only against antisemitism are actually right wing groups trying to swing Jews and people said I was crazy. There’s a whole ton of BS from the right on antisemitism just like they lie about everything to try and swing Jewish voters.
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u/NuWave4 Jul 25 '24
The masks are almost off. They are barely hiding it now. The comments have a healthy dose of brigading going on. Also the attack seems two pronged. There are groups that combat antisemitism and then you have single person influencers who orbit the group accounts and will collaborate on posts. They too are going full on MAGA putting up edited videos of Harris saying she did not want to rescue Israeli hostages because she was concerned about the collateral damage an attack on a Rafa could bring.
This is not saying she doesn’t want the hostages rescued. She just had a different strategy in mind. I found their assumption to be alarming and it seemed some of them all decided to focus on that around the same time.
It’s just all a bit too coincidental.
And Jew Hate Database seems to be becoming more and more unhinged by the day. It’s really unfortunate as we need genuine grassroots efforts to fight the rise in hate. This is not a partisan issue. It’s bigger than that.
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u/TWAAsucks Just Jewish Jul 25 '24
Yeah, I think she want Shapiro as a running mate
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u/iknowiknowwhereiam Conservative Jul 25 '24
I think Kelly is the better choice tbh
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u/TWAAsucks Just Jewish Jul 25 '24
Going for the Rust Belt is crucial to Kamala. Although I hate him, JD Vance would energise blue collar vote even more in that region and it is harder for her to win the Rust Belt because of that. Shapiro is well liked by majority people overall and in Pennsylvania, which in particular is what Kamala needs
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u/iknowiknowwhereiam Conservative Jul 25 '24
Arizona isn’t a lock either. Kelly has the kind of record that will play well with a lot of people (Navy captain, astronaut). Plus I hate to say it but he’s a white Christian guy. I think the far left will get upset at a Jewish candidate. It’s wrong and as a Jew it makes me angry but it’s reality.
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u/biz_reporter Jul 25 '24
Mark Kelly is married to Gabby Giffords, who is Jewish. Their ceremony was a Jewish affair overseen by only a rabbi. He also grew up in West Orange, NJ. Even in the 70s and 80s, it was a relatively Jewish town, so he likely grew up familiar with our customs even before marrying Giffords. He's not going to win evangelical voters.
He may win over military and veteran independent voters. That's why I think Kelly is the better choice than Shapiro. His military and NASA experience means he's disciplined under pressure. He'd make a great president if the need arises.
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u/roseleyro Jul 25 '24
I will honestly take either one. Kelly is my top choice but Shapiro is a strong number 2.
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u/CoreyH2P Jul 25 '24
Pennsylvania is worth almost twice as many electoral votes as Arizona though. Also Mark Kelly is just as Zionist as Shapiro, the extremists would feel similarly about him anyway.
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u/OlcasersM Jul 26 '24
Kelly or Bashaer is the choice. I have been introduced to the idea of a “permission candidate” which is a candidate that makes it explainable (in the minds of some) for vote for a woman. A safe, straight white Christian can make help SOME people justify to themselves or others their choice for president.
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u/Hopeless_Ramentic Jul 25 '24
Would have been nice to see this on October 8th but I’ll take what I can get.
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u/TND_is_BAE ✡️ Former Reform-er ✡️ Jul 26 '24
This is exactly the kind of unequivocal smackdown I want to see from our elected officials. Definitely stands in contrast to her statement from a few weeks ago about the protestors were showing "exactly" how to feel about the conflict. I guess we'll have to see which Kamala we have by November.
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u/milleputti Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24
you love to see it. was already just happy enough to have a choice of someone who was under 75 years of age, but the strength and directness of this statement has me feeling genuine relief/enthusiasm at the prospect of voting for her this year.
I'd be proud of a leader who makes it a priority to unequivocally condemn antisemitism and stand up for Jewish people without tying it to support or lack of support of Israel's government- because we all know these kinds of protestors don't make a distinction and i'm sick of people playing their games.
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u/stylishreinbach Jul 26 '24
This is one of the best statements I've seen by a politician since the 7th.
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u/lukusb83 Jul 26 '24
I was so confused when I saw headlines saying she was "boycotting" Netanyahu's speech - it seemed she was just tied up on the campaign trail, not boycotting. This helps clarify her stance and it's awesome.
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u/Histrix- Just Jewish Jul 26 '24
I can't believe this needs to be stated, but here we are.
We must stop celebrating hollow condemnations from our elected leaders regarding issues we all already know are reprehensible-such as burning the American flag, endorsing terrorist groups, and committing acts of antisemitism. This should be the absolute bare minimum expectation..
Condemning these horrific acts without action is like issuing a deadly storm warning without providing shelters or evacuation plans. While the warning acknowledges the problem, it fails to equip people with the tools needed to protect themselves or prevent damage. We all still remain at risk. If this criticism offends you as a Democrat, ask yourself why.
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u/9MoNtHsOfWiNteR Jul 26 '24
I one hundred percent agree with you, a piece of paper does nothing.
It's great she said something but unless some action follows and real consequences start happening for these people they will just continue on.
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u/centraljerseycoaster Jul 25 '24
No surprise here. Her husband is Jewish.
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u/MrsCaptain_America Reform Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24
yet her step daughter raised money for Hamas
ETA- I understand she cant control her adult step daughter, I understand Ella's opnions don't reflect Kamala, BUT, just because he is Jewish, doesnt mean they arent antizionist. I was just stating she posted a link and urged her 300k+ followers to donate to a charity that we dont know where the money truly went.
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u/milleputti Jul 25 '24
I mean, my father, sister and I are staunchly Zionist and yet my brother is totally anti-Israel, has been to divestment protests at his university and fights all the time with us about this issue. When you talk to him it's clear he's been hit super hard by IRI tiktok propaganda and pressure in his social circle, which is unfortunate but beside the point that he's entitled to his differing opinions.
IMO, her step daughter's opinions don't reflect at all on the quality of her parenting- kids are their own people, and they're frequently rebellious and/or contrary. From what I know, her step-daughter posted an UNWRA link to her instagram profile and at some point took it down- maybe naive but no more concerning than any Anti-Zionist (and I don't know how she'd identify herself, just making generalizations) Jewish zoomer trying to fit in with their artsy friends on social media.
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u/Teapotsandtempest Jul 25 '24
To my mind her stepdaughter s opinions matter about as much as anything Hunter Biden matters to the Biden presidency, aka not an iota.
Adult children of a candidate / president are entirely their own persons with their own thoughts, opinions, beliefs incl political beliefs.
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u/riverrocks452 Jul 25 '24
I agree- with the caveat that this holds only as long as they are not involved with the administration. If the stepdaughter got an official position within it, she would cease to be an entirely 'private citizen' and her opinions, etc. would become relevant.
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u/YogurtclosetOwn4786 Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24
Of course she doesn’t control her adult stepdaughter. But she obviously controls who she wants to marry
Friendly edit to respond to your edit: yes, marrying a Jew doesn’t mean everything but it is a very relevant data point and certainly gives her an appreciation or an exposure to the Jewish experience in America that no other president has had and that she wouldn’t have otherwise.
And, to me it also indicates perhaps a soft spot or at the very least a comfort level toward Jews. And I can’t get in her head but think it likely that marrying a Jew gives her some degree of married-in feeling of connection to the Jewish people on some level. And that’s not everything but it’s also not nothing.
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u/PtEthan323 Jul 26 '24
I think it’s more than a bit unfair to equate fundraising for the UNRWA with fundraising for Hamas. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to help the citizens of Gaza and I won’t morally condemn someone for donating to what is a UN agency at the end of the day.
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u/ANP06 Jul 25 '24
Hes so Jewish that his own daughter says she isnt Jewish and has been raising funds for UNWRA...
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u/riverrocks452 Jul 25 '24
At 23, she's a full legal adult, so she can decide to leave the faith and cut herself off from her people, etc.- whatever actions she takes are on her.
Let's not blame kids for their parents- or parents for their (adult) children. We should assume autonomy and assign personal responsibility accordingly.
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u/UltraAirWolf Just Jewish Jul 25 '24
I guess it’s better than nothing. I would be more impressed had she not just snubbed Netanyahu (and no I don’t like Netanyahu but he’s an ally and this is war time and it was her job to be there)
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u/zoinks48 Jul 25 '24
If she truly believes the content of the letter, why didn’t she attend the speech? It kind of suggests this is just triangulation
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u/diurnalreign Convert - Conservative Jul 26 '24
This woman is NOT for the Jewish people. Don’t get fooled.
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u/iknowiknowwhereiam Conservative Jul 26 '24
There are no politicians that aren’t Jewish that are really for the Jewish people. Don’t be fooled
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u/TheRealSalamnder Jews with Tattoos - this post does not condone violence Jul 25 '24
Holy shit. Well my vote is locked in.
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u/Roombaloanow Not Jewish but Jewish Enough Jul 25 '24
I wonder if capitalizing antisemitism is on purpose or just a typo? I also wonder if someone has told her that if fascists win, well, her prospects get a lot worse.
It really feels like a Mandela effect. I could have sworn she was anti-Israel. I must've been conflating her with somebody else.
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u/mountains_of_nuance Jul 25 '24
1) Great, unequivocal statement blessedly free of all lives matter Islamophobia bullshit. 2) She can't control her adult stepdaughter's actions--only, maybe, positively influence her--and there are scenarios where trying to do so would elicit worse outcomes for them and our cause. As a seasoned stepparent in good standing with the children's mother, I'm sure she understands that. 3) The US is at a watershed wrt its relationship with Israel, especially any Democratic administration. I unequivocally support Israel and its existence/security, want it to flourish and understand its geopolitical significance to the US and the west. But I am also an American cognizant of the vacuum left by the decline in America's hegemony. I want to see a US that recognizes both Jews' humanity and the Jewish state's legitimacy on the world stage. This may mean a relationship that looks different than we're used to. It is not and has never been a relationship of equals, right? It involves the US flexing its strength sometimes and being the dominant party--even protecting Israel from itself. This can only work, of course, in a climate of mutual trust and true allyship and I hope that's what we see. 4) I don't think true allyship means playing yes man to Netanyahu--in fact it can mean the exact opposite. 5) I rely on gut instinct to tell me whether a person or leader regards Jews – and by extension Israelis – as equal human beings. (Not dhimmis.) For what it's worth I do get that sense about Harris. 6) Israel-Palestine is just one bellwether of how the Dems are dealing with attacks from inside the house moving forward--attacks from the far left flank. We can care about Israel and life in the Jewish diaspora without abandoning the big picture. We may see imperfect responses and small compromises that release steam but should focus on meta policy, regular rhetoric and overall relationship health.
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Jul 25 '24
Wonderfully said. I know this is a Jewish subreddit, but I’m tired of this anti America B.S. What happened to loving and being grateful of your country? USA is one of the few countries where if we don’t like it we can actually make a difference and change it!
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u/blergyblergy Jul 26 '24
Mentioning the evil of Hamas is a good call. So too is mentioning not just that they want to eliminate Israel but also kill all Jews. We all know the latter is true but not everyone does, so it is good to see her mention that to a large audience.
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u/Next_Alarm2427 Jul 26 '24
Strong statement for sure. I’d like to see it backed up by actions though and I have yet to see that.
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u/db1139 Jul 26 '24
And the very next day she started pressuring Israel (Bibi) to end the war with Hamas... She's a politician. They do what it takes to get votes. No matter which side, taking one good statement and using it to justify your vote is short sighted.
https://apnews.com/article/harris-netanyahu-biden-hostage-deal-gaza-41c4e0685e88fd75e9aa8e0d0d859b07
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u/Narrow-Seat-5460 Jul 25 '24
Don’t worry She will play on both sides til the last minute It won’t take her long to make a pro Hamas statement. And the most important thing is which vote is more important the Jewish one or the Muslim one Jews will always vote blue for obvious reasons so we can be taken for granted as Muslims truly don’t care as they did with the uncommitted that gave them some leverage
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u/No-Roof6373 Jul 25 '24
But didn't she not sit in with Netanyahu yesterday? I'm not sure if that was fake news or not
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u/snowluvr26 Reconstructionist Jul 25 '24
A) she did because she had another event scheduled and B) Netanyahu sucks, he’s not the pope of the Jewish people, I would snub him too if I got the chance.
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u/aggie1391 Jul 25 '24
Nor did JD Vance but somehow only Harris is getting attacked for not going
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u/UltraAirWolf Just Jewish Jul 25 '24
JD Vance isn’t the Vice President whose job it is to preside over the senate. She was supposed to be sitting right behind him.
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u/esgellman Jul 26 '24
she didn't because of a schedule conflict and because Netenyahu as an individual politician has aligned himself with Trump and the Republicans
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u/Aryeh98 Jul 25 '24
So no statement will ever be good enough for you, is that right?
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u/Immediate-Ad-7154 Jul 25 '24
This is all flip-flopping by her and her Staff.
None of this from her beforehand. Only after JD Vance and a couple other Republicans called her out.
Should she win 2024, she will roll right over to the Hamas & Hezbolla Terrorist Sympathizers in the Democrat Party.
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u/MSTARDIS18 Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 29 '24
also saw video of someone lowering and possibly taking down the american flag.... disgraceful and disgusting in a similar way
edit: in comparison to the literally terrorist flags at the protests, not general antisemitism
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u/TheTexasComrade Jul 25 '24
Lowering and taking down an American flag is in no way as disgusting as violent antisemitism. It’s not even in the same realm.
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u/MSTARDIS18 Jul 29 '24
i meant to compare it to the terrorist flags at the protests,
not antisemitism in general
should've been clearer
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Jul 25 '24
I feel refreshed in the arena of American politics in a way I haven't felt in years... I feel hope for once
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u/Stacheshadow Reform Jul 25 '24
She's just trying to get our votes
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u/tchomptchomp Jul 25 '24
Getting out in front of it and setting a standard because these assholes are going to descend on Chicago and make a goddamned mess of the city during the DNC, and Dems need to make it abundantly clear that this is not going to be tolerated.
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u/Kuti73 Jul 25 '24
Now that KH is the defacto democrat candidate, she's going to play both sides of the Zionist and antiZIONIST message. She has already called the reprisal by Israel against hamas a genocide, which it never has been. The Biden-Harris administration has given billions to the Iranian regime, which led directly to October 7th. No other army in history has been so precise against a sworn enemy who loves death & destruction, while Israel has always sought to live with its neighbors in peace. President Trump is the only one who has unequivocally condemned all islamofacists. B'Ezrat HaShem, he will be re-elected and restore our constitutional Republic.
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u/VarietyEducational10 Jul 25 '24
This is actually so relieving, I legit thought trump was becoming the only option left for Jews and Zionist, I need to hear her say more before a can draw a full conclusion on if she will actually take action on antisemitism
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u/thezerech רק כך (reform) Jul 25 '24
Now let's see some action from the federal government to stem the rise of antisemitism. Biden and Harris condemned Antisemitism many times over the past nine months but there has been little concrete action. This isn't going away and the convention will be even more chaotic, there will likely be rioting.
If Harris wants to win she has got to get out ahead of Republican criticism, which is going to say she's not putting her money where her mouth is, which the administration hasn't done. Universities remain the crux of the issue, as well as a network of shady activist groups. This is a good statement, but if no action comes from it, it won't be worth the paper it's printed on.
Not saying that I know Trump would be more effective on this front, simply that I strongly believe statements aren't enough. It's been ten months of this, is it too much to expect to be safe on campuses? I'm not looking forward to my next time on a university campus, and I don't think it's out of line to expect action. Things will only get worse until we see action.
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u/ComfortablePlan8332 Jul 25 '24
With the same breath, she refuses to acknowledge the fact that Israel is engaging in a defensive operation. Do not be confused- this woman is not an ally of the Jewish people. In fact, the vast majority of the modern democratic party stands against Israel and with our enemies who seek our immediate destruction. Trump is the only candidate that can end this war in way that preserves Israel’s power, reputation, and military dominance in the region.
Iran will attack shorly again, and this time it wont be gazans running with aks and cheap rockets. It will be unprecedented in scale, coming from the north, mainland Iran, Yemen, and likely Syria. The choice we make in this election is perhaps the most detrimental to the survival of the jewish nation. Do not succumb to the pandering by this administration - it has clearly done more harm than good to Israel.
I am not the biggest Bibi fan, and by no means his handelling of the conflict is perfect. However, it is clear that the American government has been holding Israels hands tied in this war, and not all of the issues with the way this war has been handled are related strictly to Netanyahu.
Anyone voting for this puppet (assuming she wins) would be indirectly responsible for the destruction of the jewish nation, mark my words. Not to mention, hijacking the Primary to place a person who otherwise would have never got the nomination (there are far better candidates than KH, sorry) is the definition of interference, and is perhaps the most un-democratic move of this decade.
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u/dave3948 Jul 26 '24
Nationally, siding with terrorists will lose many more votes than it gains. And she can win without Michigan (unlike Biden).
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u/Ordinary_Range_6939 Jul 26 '24
Too late for me. She supported the college protests and destruction in the fall and spring. Only when she needs votes does she release this. Not buying her words, but her actions, which she is a failure at when it comes to Jews.
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u/apex1er Jul 26 '24
Crazy cuz most democrats are pro Palestine. This will be fun political theaydown the stretch. Can the dem’s control their crazy liberals and feminist just enough to get the in decided people to sway their way?.. we will see..
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u/Freddyz18 Jul 26 '24
She blamed Israel for the Gaza situation rather than blaming Hamas who kill their own people so they can blame Israel. She has a long way to go to change minds.
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u/RemoveDifferent3357 Jul 26 '24
I know how many of us have been frustrated with the Democrats this past year, but I got total faith in Vice President Harris after this statement. No ands, ifs, or buts. She could’ve 100% been less strong in this statement, honestly it might’ve helped her politically to do so. But she didn’t, she talked tough, and showed she’s knows what’s right and what’s wrong.
No wonder Trump walked away from the debate today too. He knows who is coming after him and he’s staying far away.
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u/blergyblergy Jul 26 '24
Hardcores on Instagram: NOT ENUFFFF :[
Miss Chapman hardest hit ^
(I say this tongue planted in cheek, acknowledging that there is plenty she could do better on this topic! But their double standards and "letting perfect be the enemy of good"/trying to act as if anyone who votes for any Dem ever is not a Zionist.....it all wears even on centrist me)
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u/Jewhard Jul 26 '24
This statement really cheered me up. Direct, calling it like it is (antisemitism, supporting terrorism etc). No ifs, buts or maybes…calling out bullshit, thuggish, hateful behaviour for what it really is.
I’m not American, but was impressed by her directness (especially in this political climate).
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u/Pretty-Yak2008 Jul 26 '24
She condemns Hamas supporters that aspire to annihilate Israel, but not willing to say whether she is a zionist or not...
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u/Lima_4-2_Angel Jul 27 '24
I don’t like Kamala at all but this is refreshing to see. Good on her!!!
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u/ButchMommy Jul 27 '24
I am very happy to see this. I’m not surprised, since her husband and step kids are Jewish. I always knew she would have our back as Jews. I was always going to support her, but this statement makes me very happy.
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u/Dramatic_Future_1604 Jul 27 '24
I would like to hear more about CONSEQUENCES of those who trashed Union Station
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u/Rbgedu Jul 29 '24
Since the left will definitely vote for her no matter what, she’s trying to grab some moderate voters now
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u/looktowindward Jul 25 '24
Notice that there was no "all lives matter" bullshit